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#12141 redragon88

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 6 2013, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
actually I didn't liked this, they're clearly comparing Sakura and Hinata and their behavior towards Naruto, In the first video they made Sakura stands up for Naruto but then give to it that vibe that it was for her own benefit and then we have Hinata talked that way because the girls were picking on Naruto and she didn't had liked that.


It's funny that they have portrayed Sakura that way .. because in canon, she is the only who always get mad when people badmouth Naruto.

Damn, I didn't notice that they were comparing Sakura and Hinata in those videos until you pointed it out. It's a little annoying, that's true. But let's just remember that there's also that mission in which Naruto finds the assumption of being Hinata's boyfriend as a weird joke. I guess the game staff is just having fun with the stereotypical personalities of the characters even if some might have certain inaccuracies.

Then again maybe Sakura said what she said about doing it for the sake of future missions as a way to save face, she's a tsundere after all. Besides, given that she already convinced Naruto to buy her some special anmitsu that automatically arranges them to spend some time together later on, which is what Naruto originally wanted to do with Sakura.

Too bad there's no follow up for that mission. I remember seeing in youtube another Naruto game (set in Part 1) in which Sakura convinces Naruto to buy her some dumplings during a side mission, this leaves Naruto depressed because she basically used him. But then a follow up side mission happened in which Sakura treated Naruto to all of the dumplings he wanted as thanks for what he previously did, then I think at the end of the mission Sakura says she wants to do this more often or something. It truly was a two part tsundere mission at it's finest, the first mission with Sakura being tsun and the second mission with her being dere.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 6 2013, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Damn, I didn't notice that they were comparing Sakura and Hinata in those videos until you pointed it out. It's a little annoying, that's true. But let's just remember that there's also that mission in which Naruto finds the assumption of being Hinata's boyfriend as a weird joke. I guess the game staff is just having fun with the stereotypical personalities of the characters even if some might have certain inaccuracies.

Then again maybe Sakura said what she said about doing it for the sake of future missions as a way to save face, she's a tsundere after all. Besides, given that she already convinced Naruto to buy her some special anmitsu that automatically arranges them to spend some time together later on, which is what Naruto originally wanted to do with Sakura.

Too bad there's no follow up for that mission. I remember seeing in youtube another Naruto game (set in Part 1) in which Sakura convinces Naruto to buy her some dumplings during a side mission, this leaves Naruto depressed because she basically used him. But then a follow up side mission happened in which Sakura treated Naruto to all of the dumplings he wanted as thanks for what he previously did, then I think at the end of the mission Sakura says she wants to do this more often or something. It truly was a two part tsundere mission at it's finest, the first mission with Sakura being tsun and the second mission with her being dere.

Read my post for my thoughts, but you got the right idea. Actually, the dining scene is not really a comparison, rather side missions 101 by CC2. They have done this countless times since Storm 2. Many characters get this. Heck, I think there's a Kage version, but I didn't look at it. Point is that they weren't comparing, just our mind playing tricks. Easy on those shipping goggles, people. Trust me, I know what I'm saying.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

I suppose you could interpret the clips as a comparison between Sakura and Hinata, but I thought of it more as Sakura and Naruto defending one another. They're both trying to explain the good qualities in each other. happy.gif

Sakura thinks that Naruto has grown to be more mature than he was. She points out that, even though he has his moments, he's grown out of his prankster days and is actually a lot more mature and intelligent than people make him out to be. He's working on eating the right foods and has grown to be one of the strongest men in their village. Sakura can see that, but Ino and Tenten can't.

Likewise, Naruto thinks that Sakura is an example of a feminine woman. After Temari tries to group her with the rowdy girls, Naruto brings up the fact that Sakura is happy and calm at times, unlike Temari and Kurotsuchi whom Naruto has perceived as being angry all of the time. laugh.gif

I really didn't see Hinata as being a part of this moment at all. She didn't really do or say anything to defend Naruto from the girls - at least, Naruto didn't think so. He genuinely thought that Hinata was giving the girls advice. She kept the fact that she was trying to defend him to herself. So, once again, we have a moment where Sakura's support of Naruto is loud and clear while Hinata's is silent and meek. sleep.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

today ill search for sakura missions in storm 3

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:31 PM

they should atleast have 1 mission with her

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:34 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 6 2013, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, so where do I begin with the post...

First of all, the confused feelings. First of all, when I said confused, it doesn't have to be something you already know. It can be well hidden that not even you know about it. For example, in FMA, Winry was just a good friend of Ed, but when she saw him walking strong, then it struck her about something special. That's when you know that there's something there but don't know what. That's where Sakura is not at, rather the first stage. She loves both guys, but one is very hidden until her emotions get the best of her. Again, Naruto hasn't say anything that will star struck her heart to make her questioned. If he does and she feels something different, then she is now in the second stage. Half way to realization. This is normal for many people. You will think you are only friend with that person, but maybe one day, that person will say or do something that will make you feel "new" and you may run out to start thinking over. Sakura has not really hit that stage, but her emotion when the nice atmosphere occurs shows off her feelings, yet she is still unaware. She's not battling over which guys because she hasn't hit the next stage yet.

She was sad about Sasuke being the nice guy. Ok, well here's the problem. Kishi already made it clear that she does love Sasuke still, though Naruto is close. That said why do we need to get another confirmation. Second, Sakura just got reality check that Sasuke is not a great guy, which is true. Third, you can feel sad about it, which begs a question to yourself, is this ok or not. In fact, Ino was the same thing in chapter 616. She had to move on and her father told her the real important of life. That said if that was the case, could it be possibly that Sakura will go through that as well. She has no parents in the battle or any life dangerous situation to tell her otherwise. To me, Ino's talk with her dad proves me that this arc will have many people moving on, and I can guarantee you that Naruto is not one.

Sai didn't really say Sakura was lying, rather it wasn't her intention when approaching to Naruto. Sai didn't really feel guilty about it. The whole purpose of Sai in that arc is trying to fit in with Team 7 because Naruto kept pushing him away, hence when he felt unsure when Kakashi told him about him being one of them. Sai hit the boiling point that Naruto is out there letting no one knows him and not able to confess his love, which in a way, he support his love. Sai knows that Naruto is really getting himself killed and not letting anyone else knows annoyed him, so he did what he felt like he must do. Sai told Sakura about Naruto because he knows they're close, yet Naruto won't go to a new level because of the promise. Sai told Sakura that Naruto really loves her because he's really going too far. While he does acknowledge that Naruto is also doing it for himself, the problem is that Naruto doesn't let anyone get close to his problems. Also, ask yourself this, if you hear someone is going too deep because that person loves you, how would you react? Sakura's reaction really shows how much she really cares for Naruto and how much it pained her because the irony is that Sakura wanted him safe at all cost, yet she is the one that hurt him the most, of course in her mind. If it's like Rock Lee (no offense), she will feel upset, but my god, the reaction she had for Naruto was priceless.

The promise is thrashed. First of all, Sakura is the one that wants the promise to end, but Naruto didn't really respond to it as ok or no, rather explaining that he will still rescue Sasuke. What he said didn't say that the promise is over, rather saying that even there was no promise, he will still go for Sasuke. For example, say I offer you a million dollars to save a friend, who is also your friend, because well, you are poor and needed to save yourself. At one point, I tell you to stop trying to save him, because you're going too deep, so I'll give you a million dollars, but you say even if I finally get help, I'm still going to save him because it's about saving your friend. See what I'm saying. It's not like you deny for help, but you are still doing it because you have a reason yourself. Pretty much Naruto is saying that nothing can stop him.

Sakura is willing to make Naruto hate her forever means she will never love Naruto. That's not true at all. The reason why she is doing it because again, when you see the panel when Sai told her maybe she has cost the most damage to Naruto as well, she was shocked. That's why Sakura said that fool is in love with me, because at that point, she really felt like she doesn't deserve anything good from him anymore. If Naruto have to blame someone to destroy his goal to save Sasuke, Sakura is willing to take it all because she no longer can't see Naruto go through with this and if she is to blame, her "redemption" was to free his burden by ending his quest. That's incredibly heroic and tragic if it was accomplished. Sakura felt alone when confronting Sasuke, so when Naruto shows up to save Sakura, it's like a way of him saying sorry as well as her hope is coming back alive. Do I think they still need to talk over this? Yes.

Nothing to confess? First of all, Naruto didn't tell her he loves her in her confession, but just felt surprised yet happy, only determined by blushes. Heck, maybe he would have tell her that he loves her, but once Sasuke's topic was brought up, he stopped. You can say she interrupted it. Just because she knows that he loves her doesn't mean he has no reason to confess. First of all, he didn't say that to Sakura in order to confirm that both of them knows it. Second, Naruto is unaware that Sakura knows that he loves her, so again, he still do have to confess so he, the guy who has this feelings, can get off his chest. Also, just because a person knows that another person loves him/her doesn't mean it's over. Actually, anime has done this before many times and yet, the person who already knows awaits for that person to say something to see if they're truly in love. Sakura doesn't know that from Naruto yet. Heck, even an anime filler, A FILLER, knows what they're talking about. It's not hard to understand this. Point is that Naruto is the only one left to confess and trust me, it will be game over.

Major part of his character. Well gee, are you sure about that? Saving her in matter of his own life from Gaara, dreaming of protecting Sakura, thinking about Sakura as his major part of the family that has him talking about his love, thinking of her before seeking training with Jiraiya, feeling heartbroken when Sakura confronts Sasuke, making a PotL, thinking of his promise that Sasuke wouldn't leave yet felt really bad that he was wrong, felt pain when he couldn't keep her smile, only to make the wait longer, felt pain when he found out he hurt Sakura, always concern of her behavior so he can make her smile again, feeling guilty of not keeping the promise, and honestly, I can go on. Please, tell me you're joking about this. Yamato said it best that his main goals is to rescue Sasuke and protect Sakura. Yeah, re-read yourself.

Nindou is in fact about not giving up and keep pushing forward. He may say it's not going back his words, but understand its meaning. It's like if I say I will get my driver's license no matter what. I failed my first test, but you know what, I will do it again until I can get better and pass it. It's self explanatory. Sharing nindou is actually not really good thing because you may think it's cute and all, but that's not what Naruto wanted to have as a lover. It's more of an idol/student kind of thing, hence how Hinata always feel inspired by his way of ninja. Yes, she loves Naruto, but again, it's only because of his nindou. She doesn't know him as a person and this is true because re-read it and see for yourself. Also, even if nindou doesn't mean never giving up, that theme is still Naruto's and guess what, even Jiraiya's book reflects the same characteristics of Naruto.

Kage Summit Arc being the conclusion of NaruSaku; yeah, that's a big no. It's more like a class reunion: meeting each other once again to see how is life between them. This reunion is more towards to Sasuke, so if anything, it's more like SasuSaku conclusion, but I digress. Think about it, the main focus was the reunion with Sasuke from everyone of Team 7. Sakura to fight off her old feelings for him, Kakashi to understand the hardship of student/teacher bond, and Naruto to understand what is best for both of them. In fact, it really makes sense because Sakura and Kakashi got to talk to Sasuke and learned from him, so now, they will leave to Naruto. It doesn't end NaruSaku, rather it reinforced it because Sakura is behind Naruto with his hopes and dreams, including Team 7 getting their happy endings. I won't be surprised that SasuSaku never happens again, but I do think perhaps they will for one final moment to end it once and for all. But again, Kage Summit Arc was more about Team 7 reunion, with the topic on Sasuke.

As for the "Hell Yeah" part, well you do know he said that BEFORE Kiba got to say anything, right? Also, Naruto was talking to Obito that his reign of terror is coming to an end because his friends are there. The only time he stopped is when Sakura shows up, which to me, that's a plus, because he didn't really respond to anyone when they kept saying, we're here and there. Overshadowed by Hinata, well yeah, not like others got the same momentum as Hinata, including Team 10. This is why I said people have placed her on a pedestal. First of all, she got the attention when Naruto saved her, so that sure took a while. Second, you should be happy that she actually got a response from Naruto because well, she was in pending for a long time, even Konohamaru got it first. Third, out of Team 8, she is the main one in there, like Shikamaru in Team 10, though they have special than the rest. People think she got a lot of attention, but in reality, she doesn't have that much, just more than her team, but again, she's the Shikamaru of Team 8. Let's quickly recap: Hinata got saved from Naruto because she needed that long awaited development; Hinata helped Naruto in 615 because this is Kishi's meaning of all characters to shine; Naruto's shoulder being fixed because she has to do something, she's no good fighter, so this is more of an example of how friends can help Naruto more ways than one. That's it. See, it's not hard. All of them are coincidence and needed. Last volume was about friendships and to be honest, you should feel worry that Hinata got placed in the friendship list, rather than special bond list. Sakura didn't appear because she is "better" than that and even Kishi knows it. Don't feel bad that 616 color spread didn't agree with you.

I don't need to bring that message, but my god, I might as well soon make it in my sig. Bottom line, NaruSaku is not dead. From the words of the book of Jiraiya: Give up on telling us to give up.


Wow super !! I have to say , the post of this NH shipper pretty much switch me to the yellow zone because he had some good arguments , however you respond so well to all of them and bring me back to green zone a_thumbs.gif

Im glad to see that we have people like you to defend the NS ship ! biggrin.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (soraandven @ Mar 6 2013, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
they should atleast have 1 mission with her

Thanks for sharing. MinaKushi is what made me happy the most, especially you know, this is where they included Kushina's words to Naruto. Makes the parallel even more obvious. I already made the comment with other, so you can look at it.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

yeah i was like yup kushina is really like sakura

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

anyway im about to play storm 3 i just hope they have a fun sakura mission cuz if they don't im calling cc2 biased hinata fans despite it only being fanservice it will tell me that they don't care for her

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 6 2013, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't forget to comment my post. I actually took time with that one... sweatdrop.gif

I know the feeling mellow.gif

Anyway pretty interesting points made, I specifically think that willingness to accept Naruto hating her for eternity proved how much she cares for him.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Kakashi-Sensei @ Mar 6 2013, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow super !! I have to say , the post of this NH shipper pretty much switch me to the yellow zone because he had some good arguments , however you respond so well to all of them and bring me back to green zone a_thumbs.gif

Im glad to see that we have people like you to defend the NS ship ! biggrin.gif

Ah thanks, it's what I do. It's been a while that I typed so much but that's only because we have so many great posters in here. RomanceGirl will be here soon and I can't wait what she has to say. I admit when I was playing Halo 4, I thought he made a valid point that you can't argue at all. But when my mind was free and set on the post, I can see there are many parts that are wrong. So naturally, I have to respond.

QUOTE (soraandven @ Mar 6 2013, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah i was like yup kushina is really like sakura

Kushina is always the resemblance to Sakura. In movies, anime, manga, and now, in games. You would have thought that they can manipulate her into another Hinata, because the excuse is that since Kushina loves Minato, she has no reason to act tough, right? Wrong. That's one thing I learned from the relationship and that's that. I just love how Kushina got furious for him being late (man I know that feeling). Now, I really wish Minato can bring some moments up with Kushina, now that he's alive. MinaKushi is like NaruSaku in the aftermath, since well I do think Naruto will end without letting us see how NaruSaku interacts in the future, but hey, I can be wrong. Plus, there's always anniversary.

I stand my ground that CC2 definitely knows NS is the endgame. Yes, you get fan service for others, but that's what it is, a side mission. Judging from story mode, it seems good for NS and MK pretty much is NS of the last generation. People need to remove their shipping goggle and understand the motive of the game. Other than that, still waiting to get my game to kick people arse with Goku Naruto, supported by school uniform Sakura and well, it's always fill in the blank for me. happy.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:06 PM

found one still gonna play storm 3 though so enjoy and cya

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

QUOTE (soraandven @ Mar 6 2013, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
found one still gonna play storm 3 though so enjoy and cya

That's more like it. I like this one. They're really genuine with each other. I like how Sakura is talking about three things: his growth, her being behind, and how it feels that Naruto is separating from Team 7 alas changing into someone else. If you want to compare, Hinata was about herself not getting better. Thanks for sharing. I just got my game with the two figures. Few games of Halo 4 then Naruto time.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:48 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 6 2013, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, couple of things:

About the video with all girls chatting about Naruto. I actually like it. Here's a thing people often forgets in a way: Sakura is a tsundere. She has that characteristics to show tender yet hide it with something else. This was like that in Storm 2 that she tried to hide the fact she had Hinata to spend time with Naruto along with herself to get do something nice for Naruto. When Naruto finds out, she tried to deny it and they just hit it off easily. In this case, Sakura already planned to talk about Naruto, but he shows up, hence the timing is bad. Naruto got bashed but Sakura already know that was going to happen and she sees him down, so she, of course, helped out. Naruto is lovey dovey about Sakura, so like many tsundere, they want in return. It happened to me yesterday. Now I got to get her a cake.... sweatdrop.gif


Bolded: Wait what?? Could anyone find a link to a video for this?

She made Naruto spend time with Hinata to do something nice for him??? Sounds stupid, why doesn't she go out and do something nice for/with Naruto herself??? wot.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 6 2013, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bolded: Wait what?? Could anyone find a link to a video for this?

She made Naruto spend time with Hinata to do something nice for him??? Sounds stupid, why doesn't she go out and do something nice for/with Naruto herself??? wot.gif

Well, I think that how it goes, but I forgot a little. What I remember is that she wanted to spend time with Naruto but she is a tsundere, so she just have to make an excuse. Funny thing is that Naruto don't remember anything he done for Hinata while he just wants to eat.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 6 2013, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I think that how it goes, but I forgot a little. What I remember is that she wanted to spend time with Naruto but she is a tsundere, so she just have to make an excuse. Funny thing is that Naruto don't remember anything he done for Hinata while he just wants to eat.


Heh them tsundere characters are the best biggrin.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE (soraandven @ Mar 6 2013, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
found one still gonna play storm 3 though so enjoy and cya


awww sakura just wanted to spend time with naruto...... love.gif cute.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

QUOTE (soraandven @ Mar 6 2013, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
found one still gonna play storm 3 though so enjoy and cya


Sorry if this is double post...

7:46 on the video - Naruto got friendzoned? dry.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 6 2013, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Heh them tsundere characters are the best biggrin.gif

Lol aren't they? I always love it and NS is just make me feel good. If you saw MK one, it's nice and makes me think, "Yeah, this is NS future right here."

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 6 2013, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry if this is double post...

7:46 on the video - Naruto got friendzoned? dry.gif

Uh, no. They're not even lovers, so yeah, it fits well. If they get teased and one of them denied it, then it's friendzoned.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 06 March 2013 - 07:34 PM.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:28 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 6 2013, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I think that how it goes, but I forgot a little. What I remember is that she wanted to spend time with Naruto but she is a tsundere, so she just have to make an excuse. Funny thing is that Naruto don't remember anything he done for Hinata while he just wants to eat.

Well, when did ever Naruto take something in consideration and remembers in regard of Hinata, aside thanking her for being beside him, when talking to him XD

By the way, your LAP post was great. You made good points and agree with everything. I ask myself a question, that from where some of us get this great brainstorming sometimes ? laugh.gif

Edited by T XD, 06 March 2013 - 07:31 PM.





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