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#12121 BakeNeko-Chan

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:43 PM

i think we need to accept there will definitely be fillers on hinata. like that high budget pain episode.. sure was painful to look at.

 

I think the episodes to follow were much more painful. That horrendous animation was just a joke and hurt the eyes to look at. :facepalm:



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:47 PM

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:56 PM

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Episode in the 3 tails filler arc

Both sakura and hinata run to see if naruto is okay and just as sakura is about to speak hinata does first.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:59 PM

Episode in the 3 tails filler arc

Both sakura and hinata run to see if naruto is okay and just as sakura is about to speak hinata does first.

They made Sakura look a bit tipsy. :hm:

 

Pierrot you ass :angry:


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:16 PM

 

I think the episodes to follow were much more painful. That horrendous animation was just a joke and hurt the eyes to look at. :facepalm:

there were some hinata fans annoyed about it though, the flashback part. the blushes on her kid face were over the top. but i have to say the shiny hair, confession, and blood was done beautifully.

 

and yes the 8-9 tails vs pain... lol. who cares about that main character, not like this story's about him.. 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:25 PM

there were some hinata fans annoyed about it though, the flashback part. the blushes on her kid face were over the top. but i have to say the shiny hair, confession, and blood was done beautifully.

 

and yes the 8-9 tails vs pain... lol. who cares about that main character, not like this story's about him.. 

 

I think what bothers me more than those flashbacks making Hinata - the heiress - look like a bullied victim, is the over the top 'fight' between Hinata and Pein that never happened in the manga, they took that way too far.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:29 PM

All I'm saying though is, for NS being hinted so strongly, its like why the heck should they even bother with so much extra stuff on Hinata, I mean I'm sure if NS goes canon, kishi and his team would at least address Hinata in someway, I mean 631 happening the way it did, really all I can see for Hinata left in the manga is some resolution getting off good in a mature way with Naruto, if Naruto hasnt changed his view of Sakura and Sakura is starting to change away from sasuke, well, obviously SS can just die easily, NH can be very easily resolved with some short exchange between Naruto and Hinata later on. NS needs the biggest resolution if its the one to go canon.

 

For anything the love chain was this for the longest time:

 

Hinata->Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke->revenge

 

Some fans thought it was like this:

Hinata->Naruto~Sakura->Sasuke->revenge

 

this one being those who thought naruto just stopped loving Sakura

 

Many fans think it will be like this:

 

Hinata-><-Naruto~Sakura-><-Sasuke

 

for some reason Sasuke just spontaneously loves Sakura, and people think Naruto doesnt love Sakura anymore

 

In truth its like this now:

 

Hinata->Naruto->Sakura~Sasuke->other movites

 

Hinata still likes Naruto, Naruto still likes Sakura, Sakura is unsure of Sasuke, Sasuke has other motives.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:42 PM

All I'm saying though is, for NS being hinted so strongly, its like why the heck should they even bother with so much extra stuff on Hinata, I mean I'm sure if NS goes canon, kishi and his team would at least address Hinata in someway, I mean 631 happening the way it did, really all I can see for Hinata left in the manga is some resolution getting off good in a mature way with Naruto, if Naruto hasnt changed his view of Sakura and Sakura is starting to change away from sasuke, well, obviously SS can just die easily, NH can be very easily resolved with some short exchange between Naruto and Hinata later on. NS needs the biggest resolution if its the one to go canon.

 

For anything the love chain was this for the longest time:

 

Hinata->Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke->revenge

 

Some fans thought it was like this:

Hinata->Naruto~Sakura->Sasuke->revenge

 

this one being those who thought naruto just stopped loving Sakura

 

Many fans think it will be like this:

 

Hinata-><-Naruto~Sakura-><-Sasuke

 

for some reason Sasuke just spontaneously loves Sakura, and people think Naruto doesnt love Sakura anymore

 

In truth its like this now:

 

Hinata->Naruto->Sakura~Sasuke->other movites

 

Hinata still likes Naruto, Naruto still likes Sakura, Sakura is unsure of Sasuke, Sasuke has other motives.

Actually i would say this: 

 

Hinata[Friendzone]Naruto-><-Sakura~Sasuke->other movites

 

The <- from Sakura to Naruto is due to the summit and the fact she's aware of Naruto's feelings, not that she loves Naruto right now but the fact that Naruto's love for her also become another obstacle for SS to happen, Sakura on the summit proved that different than Naruto and other people, i cant say this for sure but i'll show it.

 

Example - Sakura knew about Hinata's love for Naruto and still made a confession to him, Naruto knows about Hinata's love for him but still called Sakura his gf and does not hide his feelings for Sakura(showing jealously towards her).

Anyway with Sakura she did took Naruto's feelings in consideration, we dont see Naruto backing off his feelings for Sakura because of Hinata, but we see this on Sakura, it added another reason to drop her feelings for Sasuke but also turned out to be an obstacle for SS too(if it didnt already had many).

 

Also on the summit despite loving someome else(Sasuke) she was inclined to return Naruto's feelings because Sasuke is trash and she cares more for Naruto than Sasuke.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:52 PM

You know, I'll bet if anime did own Naruto as in original anime, no manga, they would have done a Love Hina scenario with Naruto, Sakura, and Hinata. I would bet my house on it. You can tell and heck, in the RtN universe, you can sense they were happy to create a take on it with Hinata's "rivalry".

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:53 PM

You can guarantee they will milk the S*** out of 615. They are well aware of the huge NH fanbase and their "demands"


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:59 PM

They should do a warning message, brought to you by Naruto.

"Warning: This episode is made entirely for intended fans as well as the studio itself. The studio acknowledged the real material content and no harm was done in this production. All made in fantasy set than the original. Please support the official release. Viewer discretion is advised."

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:06 PM

You can guarantee they will milk the S*** out of 615. They are well aware of the huge NH fanbase and their "demands"

I thought they milked Hinata because they're also her fans, and that the size of her fanbase was a coincidence.

 

Does Pierrot seek to please the masses internationally or in Japan? Curious.


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:10 PM

I thought they milked Hinata because they're also her fans, and that the size of her fanbase was a coincidence.
 
Does Pierrot seek to please the masses internationally or in Japan? Curious.

At times, it could be themselves. I think it was one Gundam series (maybe Seed) that for whatever reason one girl from OVA was in more episodes. Then again, I don't know the fanbase exist, so who knows. Same can be said for games. For some reason, one very minor character got a cool techno theme with lyrics and all in his story mode. Why? I got no clue.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:41 PM

At this point to me, it seems like pairing wars in naruto have practically hit the point in which avatar the last airbender did for signifying which were the end pairings.

Many people loved zutara but this ship was not only the most fan supported, it was literally one in which the writers absolutely sank it to hell.

Unlike the manga team and Kishi in naruto the avatar writers were both aware and constantly poking fun at all fanbases in short periods for their series. Kishi didn't go out of his way to do this the avatar creators did. Kishi doesn't torment ns, nh, or SS. Avatars writers did torment aangtara, zukmai, and zutara along with others involving mainly sokka. But in the end, it was aangtara and zukmai. Yet most people supported zutara, but it had so many plot holes.

Both were enemies at first, this was the first problem. They would need to get past this critical first stage.
The time it took zuko to go fully good was 5/6th of the entire series, this is literally so late that it rendered zutara with very limited room to grow especially since both aangtara and zukmai already had a lot of their own growth, this is a problem nh faces in having limited time and SS faces having sakura distrust Sasuke.
When zuko went good, katara hated him, it was only until episode 56, she forgave him, but this was 2 episodes from the finale, people honestly expected katara to just sideline everything with aang. Even when zuko and katara worked together in the finale, it didn't make any difference, those past developments could not be sidelined. Some people in the naruto universe expect Sasuke to love sakura out of nowhere or sakura to still love Sasuke despite all the junk he pulled and ignore how she isn't trusting him.

Literally this is why I say nh and SS need to beware zutara, though the ships are of vastly different franchises, if the plot development hadn't followed a path to allow the pairing, then it's only much harder for those pairings to come.

The final result of zutara was an overkill. First came the ember island players episode, then came the DVD extras saying they couldn't follow or stand it, how aang would feel kinda cheated, then came comic con 08 where they grounded the ever living fan love out of it with an fan artwork show, then came the grand finale of overkill, the legend of korra with aangtara having children. Now zutara is literally only living in fanfiction and it's nothing but a scrapped wreck at the bottom of the sea. And people today still argue why zutara should have happened despite the fact the story would not have allowed it or fit well for it.

This is why I feel nh and SS should beware, otherwise it will only be the same sequence again. 631 was only small scale nightmare compared to what these fans felt back during the original avatar series ending.

i never saw connection with zutara except for when katara healed zuko i always supported kataang cuz he had really strong feelings for her


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:54 PM

They made Sakura look a bit tipsy. :hm:

 

Pierrot you ass :angry:

they gave hinata much more fanservice then just that she basically only went on the 3 tails mission to show naruto how much she improved so that he will acknowledge her i was like how pathetic can hinata get


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:18 PM

I thought they milked Hinata because they're also her fans, and that the size of her fanbase was a coincidence.

 

Does Pierrot seek to please the masses internationally or in Japan? Curious.

 

Well its funny because we got that OVA of Naruto fighting Sasuke and that big NS moment at the end even though it was an OVA, made me sick how some people said why wasn't Hinata in that place though, I mean seriously, Hinata isnt part of team 7, I wish people would get this by now.

 

But the other funny stuff is we have gotten some small scenes with Sakura in the canon episodes as filler parts, I mean the one when Naruto and Kurama become friends, we got that small scene of Sakura moving out with Shizune (this was before 573 in the anime) where she says how she was worried about naruto and then we got something with her saying "but Naruto, he always.." she gets cut off by shizune and they move out.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:49 AM

A busy three days in college. What did i miss guys ? Did anyone else notice the fact that Pierrot made Sakura less womanly than Kishi has drawn her ?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 01:16 AM

I have a headcanon that it was Sakura who taught Naruto to smile and fight, at least that she had a hand in it. Because all the others had a dark, crappy life just like him. :P He looked at Sasuke and wanted his attention, but he wasn't any happier than him. :confused: But I think Naruto really loves her smile, and in the flashbacks his behaviour is very different depending on his age. I don't think there was one random day he decided to stop crying in his room alone and start fighting. What changed it? :3 Maybe she inspired him. Iruka ofc had a hand in it too, but in a different way. I think since it's revealed that he liked her determination she had an subconscious effect on him. Maybe when he first saw her, he thought "What a beautiful smile". She might have introduced the feeling of happiness for him. Is it too good to be true? Q_Q

 

She's so bright and full of love and joy..even her character design. I love her smile on the Team 7 picture. My favourite character. When she's done with the mess in her heart about him and Sasuke, she will give him all of it.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 03:39 AM

I have a headcanon that it was Sakura who taught Naruto to smile and fight, at least that she had a hand in it. Because all the others had a dark, crappy life just like him. :P He looked at Sasuke and wanted his attention, but he wasn't any happier than him. :confused: But I think Naruto really loves her smile, and in the flashbacks his behaviour is very different depending on his age. I don't think there was one random day he decided to stop crying in his room alone and start fighting. What changed it? :3 Maybe she inspired him. Iruka ofc had a hand in it too, but in a different way. I think since it's revealed that he liked her determination she had an subconscious effect on him. Maybe when he first saw her, he thought "What a beautiful smile". She might have introduced the feeling of happiness for him. Is it too good to be true? Q_Q
 
She's so bright and full of love and joy..even her character design. I love her smile on the Team 7 picture. My favourite character. When she's done with the mess in her heart about him and Sasuke, she will give him all of it.

What a beautiful headcanon. ;__; I have similar thoughts on Naruto and Sakura as little kids... Like Sakura being the person who first told Naruto what a "Hokage" is, and after that he wanted to become one. I just really want to know how Naruto first started liking Sakura. Please Kishi. ;A;

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:00 AM

ohh did u forget what happened during the fight between naruto and sasuke when sasuke left the village. One tomoe increased in sasukes sharingan making him more faster and stronger . Before that he could barely see naruto after getting 3 tomoes he could not just douge him but also hit him. That can be an evidience cant it be?
And also u said user can perform ninjutsu by the eye!how can that be possible?

I think the eye also allow the user to make enough amaount of chakraflow by which he or she can do the technique of that huge chakra. So it can boost the body.

ps: If i domt sound clear i am sorry i am just having some problem with expressing myself

 

That was because Sasuke could now see what Naruto was going to do before he even did it, that is the basic power of the Sharingan.


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