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[sushi.]

You know i think Madara will get TNJed by Sasuke

Oh no. Naruto is the only one with this magic ability,. The one and only.

 

Or..at least the only one with that level. He has been blessed by God and saints. But..Naruto is god. *headache*

 

seriously though, Sasuke is not much of a talker. More like a listener.

[soraandven]

i found this

[redragon88]

To One Piece readers:

 

Isn't it funny how the Naruto fandom went crazy when chapter 631 came out and now the One Piece fandom is going crazy with chapter 731?

[Question22]

To One Piece readers:

 

Isn't it funny how the Naruto fandom went crazy when chapter 631 came out and now the One Piece fandom is going crazy with chapter 731?

 

Wow seriously i think number 31 is the devils number

[sushi.]

To One Piece readers:

 

Isn't it funny how the Naruto fandom went crazy when chapter 631 came out and now the One Piece fandom is going crazy with chapter 731?

I was thinking of that too! XD

 

This OP chapter was bigger than 631 though. 631 was just big because it was a big slap in the face to those who didn't see the obvious. When you don't see the hint, confirmation will hit you hard.

 

The moments were actually a bit similar. Something so obvious, yet unexpected at that moment.

[MangaReader]

I just gotta know what I'm posting here for XD Clearly I'm not that insightful if my posts get looked over. And please don't tell it's just cause you guys agree, because your still nitpicking just about the same things I mentioned that others are mentioning as well :)

 

(who am I kidding, you probably aren't even reading this )

In the end though, it's back to Narusaku to me. Something that annoys me a bit about NaruHina fans is their habit of over analyzing and making some absurd inferences. Like in 631, you can't dispute that Minato said and naruto understood "Girlfriend"

Well don't we kinda do the same thing...maybe not to this extreme, but I've noticed our "fanbases" biasness at times when things don't exactly have to be a connection. Every time Naruto and Sakura have a chat doesn't have to indicate a moment, yet we make any connection we can. Maybe I'm just the type that sits back and lets other make the comparisons, but I think actions speak loader then words. I hate saying it, but Hinata fans did get that much for a majority of this war till the more recent chapters. But at the same time, it doesn't compare to the overall stuff Sakura has done for Naruto, so basically the Hinata stuff was a tease (still won't deny it happened though).

[Shadow1275]

 

Chapter 585 Page 17

 

In this panel, Sasuke uses "Genjutsu-Sharingan" while using his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, just because you are using Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't mean you can't use basic Sharingan Genjutsu. And Kabuto does not have Sharingan so he had to use a standard Genjutsu that anyone could learn, and this is just the same with Itachi using Genjutsu with his hands, it was not a Sharingan based genjutsu, and Sasuke has not been shown to know anything but Sharingan based Genjutsu.

 

Also when Kakashi spoke about the power of the Mangekyo's Genjutsu he was actually talking about Tsukuyomi witch is possibly the second most powerful Genjutsu there is (the most powerful would be Shisui's Genjutsu that let him control people's minds.

 

 

Naruto has only been under Itachi's Genjutsu twice, Once during the Kazekage Rescue arc, where Naruto did try to dispel the Genjutsu, and the other time was during the Itashi Pursuit arc and in this case, Naruto was a Shadow Clone and Itachi was a... Crow Clone?, any way both were clones.

 

Naruto didn't need Kurama's Chakra to preform Shadow Clone Jutsu, he is an Uzumaki, meaning massive chakra reserved.

 

And as for why Kurama didn't dispel Genjutsu before, what motivation did he have? Kurama has held Naruto and Humans in general in contempt for centuries.

 

As for the seal Kurama has never been shown being capable of disrupting Naruto's chakra, only the chakra that Naruto gets from him, the chakra that seal mixes into Naruto's is but a small part of his chakra, any control Kurama has over it is small at best.

 

And finally as for the healing factor, it hasn't been doing much for him lately, it didn't fix his dislocated shoulder, and he hasn't been in need of if since the Heaven and Earth Bridge when it was regrowing his skin.

 

 

You are confusing the two times Naruto was under Itachi's genjutsu, the first time was not Sharingan based, and Itachi gave Naruto the crow under Tsukuyomi.

 

As for Danzo, he has all those Sharingans on his arm modified to let him use Izanagi, meaning anything done to him would be reversed instantly.

 

And as for Naruto, like I've said Kurama would be able to dispel any Genjutsu like Gyuki did for B, it Sasuke couldn't counter Gyuki's dispelling of his genjutsu they why would he be able to counter Kurama, chances are that since his fight with B, Sasuke will know it pointless to try genjutsu on Naruto now.

 

I have to ask how Sasuke would go about extracting Kurama from Naruto, every time we've seen a Tailed-Beast extraction it required the Jinchuriki to be incapacitated, even Kushina had to be restrained before the process could begin.

 

And finally the Chidori through the Chest, Sasuke had said that Naruto had deflected his Chidori causing him to miss his heart, resulting in a punctured lung while still a major injury that can result in death via blood lose it is not fatal in and of itself.

Chapter 585 Page 17

 

In this panel, Sasuke uses "Genjutsu-Sharingan" while using his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, just because you are using Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't mean you can't use basic Sharingan Genjutsu. And Kabuto does not have Sharingan so he had to use a standard Genjutsu that anyone could learn, and this is just the same with Itachi using Genjutsu with his hands, it was not a Sharingan based genjutsu, and Sasuke has not been shown to know anything but Sharingan based Genjutsu.

 

 My point that he can use Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu which is much more powerful then Basic Genjutsu still stands. Nowhere does it say that he can't use Mangekyo genjutsu. He has Itachi's eyes meaning Tsukuyomi. Besides, the only time we ever see someone change eyes is when they are using advanced techniques as it requires more chakra to retain the Mangekyo form. Why would he switch to Mangekyo if he wasn't using Mangekyo genjutsu?

 

Also when Kakashi spoke about the power of the Mangekyo's Genjutsu he was actually talking about Tsukuyomi witch is possibly the second most powerful Genjutsu there is (the most powerful would be Shisui's Genjutsu that let him control people's minds.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-257.html

 

Perhaps, but in the above panel that you are referring to he explicitly states it is Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu. To quote he says "He uses an eye jutsu that surpasses the original Sharingan, the Mangekyo. If you are struck by that eye jutsu, he can affect you in an instant. There is no cancelling of the effects of it." The main point is that Mangekyo genjutsu is much more powerful than Basic Sharingan jutsu.

 

Naruto has only been under Itachi's Genjutsu twice, Once during the Kazekage Rescue arc, where Naruto did try to dispel the Genjutsu, and the other time was during the Itashi Pursuit arc and in this case, Naruto was a Shadow Clone and Itachi was a... Crow Clone?, any way both were clones.

 

Naruto didn't need Kurama's Chakra to preform Shadow Clone Jutsu, he is an Uzumaki, meaning massive chakra reserved.

 

What's your point exactly? Clones don't make a difference as the Sharingan can see through them.

 

And as for why Kurama didn't dispel Genjutsu before, what motivation did he have? Kurama has held Naruto and Humans in general in contempt for centuries.

http://www.mangapand...chapter-95.html

 

But if Naruto dies, so does Kurama. This is why he has lent Naruto power throughout the series before they became friends. While that and he wanted Naruto to release him. Not to mention his hatred for the uchiha

 

As for the seal Kurama has never been shown being capable of disrupting Naruto's chakra, only the chakra that Naruto gets from him, the chakra that seal mixes into Naruto's is but a small part of his chakra, any control Kurama has over it is small at best.

 

http://www.mangapand...chapter-90.html

 

Remember the part 1 training with Ebisu and later Jiraiya. Kakashi specifically states that the Kyubi's chakra mixing with Naruto's makes the flow erratic and very difficult to control. Genjutsu is about manipulating your opponent's chakra to affect their senses. An erratic flow would make it even harder for Naruto to be controlled. The other thing to consider is that to break genjutsu does not require control over the targets flow, but disruption by sending your own chakra into that person. All Kurama would have to do is shoot chakra into Naruto's network, which he automatically has been doing since part 1.

 

And finally as for the healing factor, it hasn't been doing much for him lately, it didn't fix his dislocated shoulder, and he hasn't been in need of if since the Heaven and Earth Bridge when it was regrowing his skin.

 

Doesn't mean that it has stopped. The healing factor point was simply evidence that Naruto's chakra was being influenced by Kurama's chakra. If Naruto's death=Kurama's death why would he not have prevented Sasuke the first time. I'd stand a better chance of survival with a healing factor than without it. Though the healing factor itself accelerates healing, dislocated shoulders are different. They are dislocated and need to be set like broken bones in order to heal properly. [I could be wrong about this, I'm not a doctor.] My main point stands, Kurama would have prevented Sasuke if he could have, one of the reasons being his healing factor.

 

You are confusing the two times Naruto was under Itachi's genjutsu, the first time was not Sharingan based, and Itachi gave Naruto the crow under Tsukuyomi.

 

Did I say that the first time was Sharingan genjutsu? I said that it proved that in order to be affected by genjutsu you don't need eye to eye contact. Also consider the fact that Naruto needed help to escape even that genjutsu, help that Kurama did not give him.

 

As for Danzo, he has all those Sharingans on his arm modified to let him use Izanagi, meaning anything done to him would be reversed instantly.

 

And yet Sasuke got him with a simple genjutsu for a couple moments. Now the Danzo remark was a joke more than anything, that he should have understood the Uchiha's capabilities. That was to simply prove that enemies lock eyes during fights.

 

And as for Naruto, like I've said Kurama would be able to dispel any Genjutsu like Gyuki did for B, it Sasuke couldn't counter Gyuki's dispelling of his genjutsu they why would he be able to counter Kurama, chances are that since his fight with B, Sasuke will know it pointless to try genjutsu on Naruto now.

 

Basic Sharingan jutsu perhaps, but not Mangekyo jutsu. As stated by Kakashi above, Mangekyo genjutsu cannot be countered by simply dirupting someone's chakra flow. I believe you need both Sharingan and Byakugan to see through Tsukuyomi which Sasuke possesses now that he has Itachi's eyes. Also no more side-effects with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

The other thing to consider is if Sasuke attacks Kurama first, what will Naruto do? Once you are trapped within genjutsu, if you cannot break the hold then you are at the mercy of the user. What's to prevent Sasuke from attacking them at the same time with genjutsu? If controlling Biju is genjutsu as well as entering one's subconcious, then he is already capable of doing this.

 

And finally, how talented is Kurama with Genjutsu anyway? We know that B's Biju can dispel genjutsu, but can Kurama?

 

I have to ask how Sasuke would go about extracting Kurama from Naruto, every time we've seen a Tailed-Beast extraction it required the Jinchuriki to be incapacitated, even Kushina had to be restrained before the process could begin.

 

That was just a theory but let's play with it. Sasuke throughout Part 2 has acted strangely towards Naruto. While he has said that he will crush him if he stands in his way, I am not fully convinced that he would really kill Naruto if given the chance. Remember that he stated the very same in part 1, and could not kill him at the end because Naruto managed to scratch his forehead band and preserve their bond. Also in part 2, while Sasuke ignores just about everyone else he always pays attention to Naruto. It makes me think that if given the chance, he would prefer to not kill Naruto.

 

As for restraining, Tsukuyomi is a simple option. Look at what it did to Kakashi and Sasuke in part 1. They were out for several days and would have remained so if not for Tsunade. That's more than enough time to remove the biju.

 

And finally the Chidori through the Chest, Sasuke had said that Naruto had deflected his Chidori causing him to miss his heart, resulting in a punctured lung while still a major injury that can result in death via blood lose it is not fatal in and of itself.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-228.html

 

This is debatable to say the least. First in a one on one fight, without the Kyubi a punctured lung would be the coup de tat. Half the oxygen means half the energy to fight, never mind the blood loss. As for punctured lungs, it depends on the deepness of the wound and severity. According to wikipedia anyway, shallow wounds can be survived but remember that his hand had gone all the way through Naruto's chest. That is a kill shot no matter how many ways you look at it. The only way Naruto survived was because of Kurama's healing powers. Not only would the stab wound kill him, but also the shattered bone matter, the loose rib cage, and Sasuke doing more damage by pulling his hand from Naruto's chest. Calling that a major injury is an understatement.

 

 

Summary

 

But I believe my main points are clear:

 

A. Naruto is terrible at genjutsu and could not prevent an attack on Kurama.

 

B. Kurama had ample opportunity to prevent Sasuke from stopping him and did not.

 

C. Even if Kurama can prevent basic sharingan jutsu, he can't prevent Mangekyo sharingan genjutsu.

 

Heck for all we know there are Mangekyo Techniques that can control Biju as well. But that is just a theory not a statement.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 December 2013 - 10:59 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I wish people stop posting stuff like this on NS feed.

[sushi.]

^Like you are doing right now? 

 

It's a bad argument anyway. Difference between making a minor arm injury and thinking you actually killed someone.

[Branden]

To One Piece readers:

 

Isn't it funny how the Naruto fandom went crazy when chapter 631 came out and now the One Piece fandom is going crazy with chapter 731?

yeah I noticed that too.

731

the difference is that with One Piece it's completely unrelated to pairings. Sabo is back. Of the 3 brothers Sabo should be the strongest because he set sail first, and he's been with Dragon so we're going to see even more about Luffy's father. And that's only scratching the surface! So much is happening right now and we're not even at the climax of this arc yet. It's really by far the best chapter of this year without question.

[TouKen4Life3g]

yeah I noticed that too.

731

the difference is that with One Piece it's completely unrelated to pairings. Sabo is back. Of the 3 brothers Sabo should be the strongest because he set sail first, and he's been with Dragon so we're going to see even more about Luffy's father. And that's only scratching the surface! So much is happening right now and we're not even at the climax of this arc yet. It's really by far the best chapter of this year without question.

Seems like he was ready to make the last chapter of the year with a bang. That's a good thing. Funny, because people weren't that much excited when part 2 began. True, it started off pretty slow, but now or even last arc is going strong and this one is truly going to a exciting direction. Lastly, it's been a while for a heavy main plot materials in OP. Let's face it, when it's a side stuff, it's fun, but when it's main stuff comes in, it's very interesting.

[sushi.]

Seems like he was ready to make the last chapter of the year with a bang. That's a good thing. Funny, because people weren't that much excited when part 2 began. True, it started off pretty slow, but now or even last arc is going strong and this one is truly going to a exciting direction. Lastly, it's been a while for a heavy main plot materials in OP. Let's face it, when it's a side stuff, it's fun, but when it's main stuff comes in, it's very interesting.

Latest...of the year?

 

omg when is the next chapter?

Edited by sushi., 12 December 2013 - 12:41 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Latest...of the year?

 

omg when is the next chapter?

No, no! I didn't say it like that. It's drawing near of the end of the year and I assume the next chapter for all Jump series is the last one. So, whatever happened in OP, I believe he did it on purpose to have the next one end with a bang. Or he can troll but the obvious is there. Lol.

[Jake]

Chapter 585 Page 17

 

In this panel, Sasuke uses "Genjutsu-Sharingan" while using his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, just because you are using Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't mean you can't use basic Sharingan Genjutsu. And Kabuto does not have Sharingan so he had to use a standard Genjutsu that anyone could learn, and this is just the same with Itachi using Genjutsu with his hands, it was not a Sharingan based genjutsu, and Sasuke has not been shown to know anything but Sharingan based Genjutsu.

 

 My point that he can use Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu which is much more powerful then Basic Genjutsu still stands. Nowhere does it say that he can't use Mangekyo genjutsu. He has Itachi's eyes meaning Tsukuyomi. Besides, the only time we ever see someone change eyes is when they are using advanced techniques as it requires more chakra to retain the Mangekyo form. Why would he switch to Mangekyo if he wasn't using Mangekyo genjutsu?

 

The only Mangekyo Genjutsu that have been shown are Tsukuyomi and Shusui's mind control genjutsu (forgot it's name).

 

The Mangekyo Sharingan gives you Three new jutsu, and for Sasuke those jutsu are Amaterasu, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Susanoo, Itashi's were Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo and as far as we've been shown Madara's are Tsukuyomi (he used in on Obito) and Susanoo, if Sasuke did know Tsukuyomi way didn't he use it too? and not a basic Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

And for argument's sake lets say that the Mangekyo does enhance Genjutsu, Sasuke has only been shown capable of using basic Sharingan Genjutsu, also if the Mangekyo does enhance the basic Sharingan Genjutsu then in theory Naruto's Senjutsu chakra which enhances your Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu, should be able to even out the boost the Mangekyo gives Sasuke.

 

Also when Kakashi spoke about the power of the Mangekyo's Genjutsu he was actually talking about Tsukuyomi witch is possibly the second most powerful Genjutsu there is (the most powerful would be Shisui's Genjutsu that let him control people's minds.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-257.html

 

Perhaps, but in the above panel that you are referring to he explicitly states it is Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu. To quote he says "He uses an eye jutsu that surpasses the original Sharingan, the Mangekyo. If you are struck by that eye jutsu, he can affect you in an instant. There is no cancelling of the effects of it." The main point is that Mangekyo genjutsu is much more powerful than Basic Sharingan jutsu.

 

Yes Tsukuyomi is a Mangekyo Sharingan Genjutsu but Sasuke lacks a Mangekyo Sharingan Genjutsu, all his Mangekyo Jutsu are Ninjutsu, his only Genjutsu is basic Sharingan Genjutsu.

 

Naruto has only been under Itachi's Genjutsu twice, Once during the Kazekage Rescue arc, where Naruto did try to dispel the Genjutsu, and the other time was during the Itashi Pursuit arc and in this case, Naruto was a Shadow Clone and Itachi was a... Crow Clone?, any way both were clones.

 

Naruto didn't need Kurama's Chakra to preform Shadow Clone Jutsu, he is an Uzumaki, meaning massive chakra reserved.

 

What's your point exactly? Clones don't make a difference as the Sharingan can see through them.

 

My point is that since both Naruto and Itachi were clones there was no reason to try to dispel the Genjutsu

 

And as for why Kurama didn't dispel Genjutsu before, what motivation did he have? Kurama has held Naruto and Humans in general in contempt for centuries.

http://www.mangapand...chapter-95.html

 

But if Naruto dies, so does Kurama. This is why he has lent Naruto power throughout the series before they became friends. While that and he wanted Naruto to release him. Not to mention his hatred for the uchiha

 

Actually Kurama's been giving Naruto chakra because it made it easier to break the seal, also in all the times Naruto has been under someone's Genjutsu he was never in a real life threatening situation, it was ether his clone or there was someone nearby that could dispel the Genjutsu for him, and as we saw Kurama has been aware of everything around since being sealed inside him.

 

As for the seal Kurama has never been shown being capable of disrupting Naruto's chakra, only the chakra that Naruto gets from him, the chakra that seal mixes into Naruto's is but a small part of his chakra, any control Kurama has over it is small at best.

 

http://www.mangapand...chapter-90.html

 

Remember the part 1 training with Ebisu and later Jiraiya. Kakashi specifically states that the Kyubi's chakra mixing with Naruto's makes the flow erratic and very difficult to control. Genjutsu is about manipulating your opponent's chakra to affect their senses. An erratic flow would make it even harder for Naruto to be controlled. The other thing to consider is that to break genjutsu does not require control over the targets flow, but disruption by sending your own chakra into that person. All Kurama would have to do is shoot chakra into Naruto's network, which he automatically has been doing since part 1.

 

No the seal has been sending Kurama's chakra into Naruto's constantly in a steady stream, it was the Five Pronged Seal that Orochimaru placed on him in the Forest of Death that was causing the mix to be erratic, and Kakashi only said that Kurama's chakra made it difficult for Naruto to control his chakra meaning his inability to do stuff like create a Rasengan without a Shadow Clone, but since Naruto befriended Kurama Naruto has been shown capable of preforming a Rasengan without a Shadow Clone.

 

And finally as for the healing factor, it hasn't been doing much for him lately, it didn't fix his dislocated shoulder, and he hasn't been in need of if since the Heaven and Earth Bridge when it was regrowing his skin.

 

Doesn't mean that it has stopped. The healing factor point was simply evidence that Naruto's chakra was being influenced by Kurama's chakra. If Naruto's death=Kurama's death why would he not have prevented Sasuke the first time. I'd stand a better chance of survival with a healing factor than without it. Though the healing factor itself accelerates healing, dislocated shoulders are different. They are dislocated and need to be set like broken bones in order to heal properly. [I could be wrong about this, I'm not a doctor.] My main point stands, Kurama would have prevented Sasuke if he could have, one of the reasons being his healing factor.

 

What do you mean about the "why would he not have prevented Sasuke the first time", also the healing has been shown to happen after the fight is over the sole exception being the fight at the battle at the Valley of the End. further more, Naruto has not needed it so much as he doesn't get as many sever injuries anymore.

 

You are confusing the two times Naruto was under Itachi's genjutsu, the first time was not Sharingan based, and Itachi gave Naruto the crow under Tsukuyomi.

 

Did I say that the first time was Sharingan genjutsu? I said that it proved that in order to be affected by genjutsu you don't need eye to eye contact. Also consider the fact that Naruto needed help to escape even that genjutsu, help that Kurama did not give him.

 

But if doesn't prove that eye contact isn't necessary for Sharingan Genjutsu, there are different kinds of Genjutsu that have different requirements, but this does not affect Naruto vs. Sasuke because Sasuke's Genjutsu is Sharingan based, meaning eye contact is required.

 

As for Danzo, he has all those Sharingans on his arm modified to let him use Izanagi, meaning anything done to him would be reversed instantly.

 

And yet Sasuke got him with a simple genjutsu for a couple moments. Now the Danzo remark was a joke more than anything, that he should have understood the Uchiha's capabilities. That was to simply prove that enemies lock eyes during fights.

 

And Chiyo explained that the way to fight the Sharingan is in numbers, and for Naruto he can make it 1,000 to 1 in an instant, in order to keep the real Naruto under Genjutsu, he would have to eliminate all the Shadow Clones, and remember an army of Shadow Clones in Sage Mode was a match for Kurama, and at best Perfect Susanoo is said to be the equal of a Biju and only one clone was capable of tossing around Kurama.

 

And as for Naruto, like I've said Kurama would be able to dispel any Genjutsu like Gyuki did for B, it Sasuke couldn't counter Gyuki's dispelling of his genjutsu they why would he be able to counter Kurama, chances are that since his fight with B, Sasuke will know it pointless to try genjutsu on Naruto now.

 

Basic Sharingan jutsu perhaps, but not Mangekyo jutsu. As stated by Kakashi above, Mangekyo genjutsu cannot be countered by simply dirupting someone's chakra flow. I believe you need both Sharingan and Byakugan to see through Tsukuyomi which Sasuke possesses now that he has Itachi's eyes. Also no more side-effects with the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

The other thing to consider is if Sasuke attacks Kurama first, what will Naruto do? Once you are trapped within genjutsu, if you cannot break the hold then you are at the mercy of the user. What's to prevent Sasuke from attacking them at the same time with genjutsu? If controlling Biju is genjutsu as well as entering one's subconcious, then he is already capable of doing this.

 

And yet wasn't Gyuki capable of dispelling Sasuke's Genjutsu cast with a Mangekyo Sharingan?

 

And finally, how talented is Kurama with Genjutsu anyway? We know that B's Biju can dispel genjutsu, but can Kurama?

 

Why not Kurama has been shown to do everything Gyuki can do except produce ink.

 

I have to ask how Sasuke would go about extracting Kurama from Naruto, every time we've seen a Tailed-Beast extraction it required the Jinchuriki to be incapacitated, even Kushina had to be restrained before the process could begin.

 

That was just a theory but let's play with it. Sasuke throughout Part 2 has acted strangely towards Naruto. While he has said that he will crush him if he stands in his way, I am not fully convinced that he would really kill Naruto if given the chance. Remember that he stated the very same in part 1, and could not kill him at the end because Naruto managed to scratch his forehead band and preserve their bond. Also in part 2, while Sasuke ignores just about everyone else he always pays attention to Naruto. It makes me think that if given the chance, he would prefer to not kill Naruto.

 

As for restraining, Tsukuyomi is a simple option. Look at what it did to Kakashi and Sasuke in part 1. They were out for several days and would have remained so if not for Tsunade. That's more than enough time to remove the biju.

 

But Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, like I said the Mangekyo grants three Jutsu one form your left eye one form your right eye and one from both eyes, Amaterasu and Enton Kagutsuchi are from his left and right eyes while Susanoo is from both.

 

And finally the Chidori through the Chest, Sasuke had said that Naruto had deflected his Chidori causing him to miss his heart, resulting in a punctured lung while still a major injury that can result in death via blood lose it is not fatal in and of itself.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-228.html

 

This is debatable to say the least. First in a one on one fight, without the Kyubi a punctured lung would be the coup de tat. Half the oxygen means half the energy to fight, never mind the blood loss. As for punctured lungs, it depends on the deepness of the wound and severity. According to wikipedia anyway, shallow wounds can be survived but remember that his hand had gone all the way through Naruto's chest. That is a kill shot no matter how many ways you look at it. The only way Naruto survived was because of Kurama's healing powers. Not only would the stab wound kill him, but also the shattered bone matter, the loose rib cage, and Sasuke doing more damage by pulling his hand from Naruto's chest. Calling that a major injury is an understatement.

 

My point is that during the Search for Tsunade arc Naruto almost died and would have if not for Tsunade because Kabuto had landed a lethal blow to Naruto's heart, meaning it is possible to kill Naruto without having to remove Kurama.

 

Summary

 

But I believe my main points are clear:

 

A. Naruto is terrible at genjutsu and could not prevent an attack on Kurama.

 

B. Kurama had ample opportunity to prevent Sasuke from stopping him and did not.

 

C. Even if Kurama can prevent basic sharingan jutsu, he can't prevent Mangekyo sharingan genjutsu.

 

Heck for all we know there are Mangekyo Techniques that can control Biju as well. But that is just a theory not a statement.

 

Sasuke doesn't have a Mangekyo Genjutsu.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@Jake

I think Sasuke could be capable of using Tsukyomi because he has Itachi's eyes now, but he didnt had the opportunity to use them yet.

His susanoo now uses a sword like Itachi.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 December 2013 - 12:57 AM.

[咲耶姫]

I was thinking of that too! XD

 

This OP chapter was bigger than 631 though. 631 was just big because it was a big slap in the face to those who didn't see the obvious. When you don't see the hint, confirmation will hit you hard.

 

The moments were actually a bit similar. Something so obvious, yet unexpected at that moment.

 

 

yeah I noticed that too.

731

the difference is that with One Piece it's completely unrelated to pairings. Sabo is back. Of the 3 brothers Sabo should be the strongest because he set sail first, and he's been with Dragon so we're going to see even more about Luffy's father. And that's only scratching the surface! So much is happening right now and we're not even at the climax of this arc yet. It's really by far the best chapter of this year without question.

 

I don't think 631 was a slap only to pairing fans. I saw as much neutral fans going crazy over the fact that Sasuke claimed he wanted to be Hokage, or because Minato could used Chakra Mode. It wasn't just pairing related, but Minato's question is one of the things fans took as a hard slap in the face along with Sasuke's ambitions and Minato's abilities. Those are the 3 "crazy" elements of the chapter that made the fandom going hell. 

 

By the way, I translated some pages of the databook 1, the pages that we are interested in, Sasuke, Sakura, Naruto and Hinata, there were some interesting things in each of them, well mostly in Hinata and Sasuke, because Sakura we already knew what was said about her, and Naruto wasn't pairing related at all. I will soon continue with Databook 2, but I won't be able to do Databook 3, a lot of kanji are too small to be read (Too bad, there was something about Sakura in Naruto's profile)

So tell me if some of you are interested?

[narulsaku]

@jake. As u said eye contact isnt necessary for genjutsu i think it also applies on sharingan mangekyo sarinfan is far more advanced than ordinary sharingan.and i think shinobis like itachi and obito dont even need eyecontact in this level . And about sasuke u cant say that he cant use sharingan based genjutsu just because he hasnt used it yet . I agree with all other things.

And i have a question could danzo use izaagi?and could u please explain those 3 jutsus that can be done by mangekyo sharingan in simple language as u can see i am not that good in english

[rocci]

@咲耶姫

 

what's this interesting part in hinata and sasuke? can you explain it please?

[咲耶姫]

@咲耶姫

 

what's this interesting part in hinata and sasuke? can you explain it please?

 Well as for Hinata, it's interesting to note that the databook insists on the fact that her love comes from her will to be like Naruto and because she finds strengh in Naruto's own, it said that her main issue is to stop being nervous around him, and that even if she loves him, she can't move forward. I'm gonna post the paragraph that seems more important to me: 

The reason for Hinata to love Naruto, the poor student is obvious.  It’s because she wants to be like Naruto. Tied to the rude laws of the Hyuuga clan and compared to her little sister, Hinata who is tormented by the feeling of inferiority is constantly searching for strength. She searched for strength in Naruto’s positive one, who’s not tied to anything. 

What is interesting, is that it perfectly describes her love as many NS fans were doing, she loves him because he's what she would like to be, not shy, a  strong looser etc...

 

And fot those wha have been told by some NH fan that Hinata was first made to be Naruto's love interest as a civillan, here is the truth: 

先生が設定用にカラーで描いたヒナタ。私服姿のヒナタのイラストは本邦初公開の貴重なものだ。

About Hinata’s drawing Sensei made during her character’s conception. The illustration of Hinata’s civilian clothes is a valuable thing of the first public exhibitions in our country.

 

楽しんで描いただけです。

It was just drew for fun

 

これはただ楽んで描いただけです、ハイ（笑）。一応はヒナタのイメージをアシスタントに伝えるためだったんですけどね。世界観を意識して描いたつもりなんですが...モロ今風の女の子になっちゃってますね（笑）。

It is just a simple drawing for fun, indeed (laugh). Although the first attempt was to inform the assistants about Hinata’s image. It was assured she didn’t fit in the world’s appearance, but.... She ended up in various girls’ modern style, right? (laugh). 

 

And Sasuke, well, we already knew what it said, but I find his profile more about friendship than love when it comes to Sakura. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 Well as for Hinata, it's interesting to note that the databook insists on the fact that her love comes from her will to be like Naruto and because she finds strengh in Naruto's own, it said that her main issue is to stop being nervous around him, and that even if she loves him, she can't move forward. I'm gonna post the paragraph that seems more important to me: 

The reason for Hinata to love Naruto, the poor student is obvious.  It’s because she wants to be like Naruto. Tied to the rude laws of the Hyuuga clan and compared to her little sister, Hinata who is tormented by the feeling of inferiority is constantly searching for strength. She searched for strength in Naruto’s positive one, who’s not tied to anything. 

What is interesting, is that it perfectly describes her love as many NS fans were doing, she loves him because he's what she would like to be, not shy, a  strong looser etc...

 

And fot those wha have been told by some NH fan that Hinata was first made to be Naruto's love interest as a civillan, here is the truth: 

先生が設定用にカラーで描いたヒナタ。私服姿のヒナタのイラストは本邦初公開の貴重なものだ。

About Hinata’s drawing Sensei made during her character’s conception. The illustration of Hinata’s civilian clothes is a valuable thing of the first public exhibitions in our country.

 

楽しんで描いただけです。

It was just drew for fun

 

これはただ楽んで描いただけです、ハイ（笑）。一応はヒナタのイメージをアシスタントに伝えるためだったんですけどね。世界観を意識して描いたつもりなんですが...モロ今風の女の子になっちゃってますね（笑）。

It is just a simple drawing for fun, indeed (laugh). Although the first attempt was to inform the assistants about Hinata’s image. It was assured she didn’t fit in the world’s appearance, but.... She ended up in various girls’ modern style, right? (laugh). 

 

And Sasuke, well, we already knew what it said, but I find his profile more about friendship than love when it comes to Sakura. 

Yeah, that sketch my friend pointed it out a while ago, but this is still good for anytime, so thank you. And they called us farfetched on her love for Naruto. Hohohohohoho.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 12 December 2013 - 07:47 AM.