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#12061 Tokura Misaki

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:28 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 6 2013, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's funny that about first statement from Sakura ("Naruto... You saved Konoha... And now you're trying to save the shinobi world...") they translated it literally jus as sounds in original. But after that they just went freely kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


If Kishi-sensei finds out about this... rolleyes.gif

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think as you maybe realized, that there are special (most of the time dangerouse) moments where sakuras feelings for naruto come up, naruto becoming 4 tails as example. The pain fight was one of this moments too, that was also a reason for the hug afterwards. After this moments it goes back to normal just like when sakura met sasuke after naruto became 4 tails.

Yeah sakura was saddened that hinata sacrificed herself since it means that she loves naruto. So sakura is sad that hinata loves naruto. This scene also implies that sakura thinks again that she doesnt do enough for naruto and that hinata maybe would be th better choice for him. So whats the conclusion out of it? Sakura loves naruto.

Yeah right just to a matter of 3 chapters she was crying hard and even made Naruto sad because of the news that Sasuke joined Akatsuki.
Also if she thought that Hinata was a better choice for Naruto then why make the confession?

Moreover, i dont think it was this, i only think the "i never do enough things to Naruto" and that's it.
The only thing that made Sakura think that she didnt deserve Naruto's love wasnt because of Hinata but because of Sai said about Naruto's love and the promise.
But wanst because of love but because she thought she only did bad things for Naruto and her love for Sasuke, Hinata wasnt even a part on that scene, she was even willing to kill Sasuke and let Naruto hate her forever.

About the hug, the hug wasnt because something special triggered that made Sakura in love with Naruto, Sakura hugged Naruto with affection, and this scene was romantic not because Sakura hugged Naruto since he didnt hugged back he was surprised, it was romantic because all the villager's acknowledgement was on Sakura's hug.
It's like the hero receiving his acknowledgement from the girl he loves.
Naruto reached the top and Sakura acknowledged it.

Just to finish this question is the same as this
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/599/
How can Rin does not love Obito?

It's the same thing Rin, how can Sakura sitll loves Sasuke and not Naruto?
this is the reason why idont use the word love, i dont believe that it's friendship but i also does not believe it's love romantically speaking off.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE (sakutonaru @ Mar 5 2013, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Kishi-sensei finds out about this... rolleyes.gif

He probably wouldn't care to be honest... it's been happening for years now anyway

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah right just to a matter of 3 chapters she was crying hard and even made Naruto sad because of the news that Sasuke joined Akatsuki.
Also if she thought that Hinata was a better choice for Naruto then why make the confession?

Moreover, i dont think it was this, i only think the "i never do enough things to Naruto" and that's it.
The only thing that made Sakura think that she didnt deserve Naruto's love wasnt because of Hinata but because of Sai said about Naruto's love and the promise.
But wanst because of love but because she thought she only did bad things for Naruto and her love for Sasuke, Hinata wasnt even a part on that scene.

I think this is overthinking in some point. She says hinata loves naruto and makes a sad face, not i dont do enough for naruto.
Also after all the time we should know that sakura hasnt realize her feelings yet, so as i said, they come up sometimes but in the end she still doesnt realize them. So of course shes sad about sasuke afterwards.

She made the confession to release him from his promise, but still thinks that shes not worth his love.

Its easy to answer how sakura can be still in love with naruto. Its because kishi wants it like that. If she wasnt in love with sasuke anymore NS would be canon by now. But in shonen the pairing is only canon in the end not in the middle, so why loose a lot of fans and also make a pairing canon thats supposed to be canon in the end?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this is overthinking in some point. She says hinata loves naruto and makes a sad face, not i dont do enough for naruto.
Also after all the time we should know that sakura hasnt realize her feelings yet, so as i said, they come up sometimes but in the end she still doesnt realize them. So of course shes sad about sasuke afterwards.

She made the confession to release him from his promise, but still thinks that shes not worth his love.

Didnt you overthink also about this?
Saying that she was jealous and loves Naruto.
And again when she was clearly wavering yo usaid that she was jealous about a handholding that she could not even see due to the smoke and the distance.

Funny thought Sasuke deserves her love despite trying to kill her two times and only doing bad things to her like she pointed out.
Naruto is screwed up on the romance department.

Sorry if i said she didnt deserve Naruto's love i'm really confused on this scene dont want to bayleef on this due to the statement above, if she thought about this SS would have dead long ago this logic does not make any sense.

Even if she said i'm an horrible person to Naruto also does not make sense since Sasuke was also an horrible person to her.

I just say that she does not love Naruto romantically, because if she did she would already get over Sasuke, she has feelings for Naruto that shift to love on occasions that you said very well but the "does nto deserve" or whatever does not make her unable to demonstrate this, she even gets more kind and gentle to Naruto after the reunition arc.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:56 PM

@Don-Kun:

Sorry if this reply is late but Ive got to make something clear. Youre correct, I did call Azure Waters pessimistic, but not as n insult. If you read my post, I was defending his right to think that way. Youre making it sound like I was looking down on him when I wasnt. It was just a harmless comment, I didnt mean anything by it. I was merely expressing my surprise at seeing such an unconfident NS fan, thats all.

*sighs* Im ready for a change of topic, I feel like everyones arguing again.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Didnt you overthink also about this?
Saying that she was jealous and loves Naruto.
And again when she was clearly wavering yo usaid that she was jealous about a handholding that she could not even see due to the smoke and the distance.

Funny thought Sasuke deserves her love despite trying to kill her two times and only doing bad things to her like she pointed out.
Naruto is screwed up on the romance department.

Sorry if i said she didnt deserve Naruto's love i'm really confused on this scene dont want to bayleef on this due to the statement above, if she thought about this SS would have dead long ago this logic does not make any sense.

Even if she said i'm an horrible person to Naruto also does not make sense since Sasuke was also an horrible person to her.

I didnt exactly said she was jealous, i said she was sad because she didnt want to loose naruto. Thats the proof that she loves him.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didnt exactly said she was jealous, i said she was sad because she didnt want to loose naruto. Thats the proof that she loves him.

Inst the same thing?
Jealous is this, there are a lot of reactions that a girl/boy can do when they are jealous, they can be sad, angry, troubled,uneasy,nervous...

Look at what Sakura did when she found out that Ino also loved Sasuke, it triggered a rivalry.

For me the proof that she loves Naruto not romantically yet but opens the door for her to fall in love, it's the confession not when she said she loved Naruto but when she pointed the reasons of why she claimed she was in love with Naruto, the only part that she was honest on the confession.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 March 2013 - 04:10 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 5 2013, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*sighs* Im ready for a change of topic, I feel like everyones arguing again.

I would love to move on! I've been observing this thread for the past two days and all I've seen so far are arguments over who's interpretation is more correct. huh.gif

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Inst the same thing?
Jealous is this, there are a lot of reactions that a girl/boy can do when they are jealous, they can be sad, angry, troubled,uneasy,nervous...

Look at what Sakura did when she found out that Ino also loved Sasuke, it triggered a rivalry.

Well if its like that then shes clearly jealous, but whats the problem with it?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 5 2013, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That reminded me of a SasuSaku fan who once argued to me that there was no way Sakura's hug to Naruto was intended to be romantic because she knew Hinata's feelings and she wouldn't be that selfish or cruel to Hinata for hugging the guy she loves with romantic intent. rolleyes.gif

I still don't see Sakura as being jealous of Hinata. Envious and sad, sure. And if she actually is jealous, she would never express outloud and still go for that "Hinata deserves you more!" line I see her throwing at there at some point.

We'll just wait and see. happy.gif

Agree. I don't think we will ever see her jealous. Probably in fillers or that one time from anime special, but that does seem kind of bold move from them, similar to episode 235 but I digress. Sadness is where I can see, especially if 615 does follow that logic. Time will tell. I feel coincidence that she no longer shows up after that moment. I truly wonder why. Maybe she can go through a phase of confusion/hurt in the battlefield. Think of Simon from Gurren Lagann in episode 8 and you would know what I mean. I don't think it will happen but hey, maybe it could. Let's just wait.

QUOTE (Chatte @ Mar 5 2013, 06:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Remember the old argument of GokuChiChi/NaruHina?
Have you guys seen this on Tumblr?

http://swirls-and-cu...nsurprising-lol

When I saw these pics, no offence, sorry for the language, but I laughed my ass out. First seems a bit stretched since it's from anime, but second and third. Priceless!

Lol, still better than NH reasons.

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, awesome post.
Youre completly right, the way the story progressed till now just leaves no space for NH or SS, it would completly go against the flow.
We should also as you said consider sakuras reaction during pain fight and chapter 615 as a very big hint for NS. Why else should kishi add her reaction there? Theres only one way to interpret it.

615 is on the pending section for now. Again, odd that she's not there after that last panel. Why? I got no answer. If 615 is what we think, then you can say victory. If not, well there's always another moment to come and I do think it's coming close. As for the first one, well anime/manga does make it to be troubling thought. The fact she image Naruto in her head makes it speak more volume than it normally does. You can say it got interrupted when the slug reports the news. Anyway, once Sakura returns, we all going to be off our seats.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well if its like that then shes clearly jealous, but whats the problem with it?

Is that she wanst jealous.
Because if she was then she would know it was love and NS = canon.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that she wanst jealous.
Because if she was then she would know it was love and NS = canon.

Yeah thats how i see it. I dont think she needs tobfall in love with naruto, i think she only ha to realize her feelings. Yamatos words also suggest that she is already in love without realizing it.

I think were running in circles XD, lets just agree that NS will be canon and move on, people seem to get angry over this discussion XD

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah thats how i see it. I dont think she needs tobfall in love with naruto, i think she only ha to realize her feelings. Yamatos words also suggest that she is already in love without realizing it.

I thought about this for a long time but for some reason i dont believe that she just realizing her feelings is enough for her to fall in love with Naruto.

She did thought about her feelings when she decided to kill Sasuke, she thought about her feelings for Sasuke and also her feelings for Naruto.
then she did the confession i believe that she said "i love you to Naruto" without loving him because she thought she can love in afterwards, she pointed ou all the reasons why she would be in love with Naruto, she recognized everything that happened between them thoughout the entire series and still she loved Sasuke but wasnt so strong as before.
>She recognized that Naruto became a great man
>she recognized Naruto was the only one who was at her side all the time
>that Naruto makes her happy
>That Naruto was there all the time to confort her and support her.
>That Naruto was the only one who encouraged her and all.

I think she will fall in love with Naruto not only with the "realize" of her feelings but it will come from Naruto, i believe that kishi is going to pull a Kushina 2.0 slow extreme version.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that she wanst jealous.
Because if she was then she would know it was love and NS = canon.

To end this topic, people can be jealous without noticing why. It happened in Inuyasha and some other more. I feel like looking at my list of anime to gather more proof. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you can take it as a consideration. Remember, Sakura doesn't know her feelings to the full extent. The rivalry scene, they both already acknowledge the love of Sasuke, so of course they know what they felt at the time. So yes, we don't know yet, but a speculation is a speculation.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought about this for a long time but for some reason i dont believe that she just realizing her feelings is enough for her to fall in love with Naruto.

She did thought about her feelings when she decided to kill Sasuke, she thought about her feelings for Sasuke and also her feelings for Naruto.
then she did the confession i believe that she said "i love you to Naruto" without loving him because she thought she can love in afterwards, she pointed ou all the reasons why she would be in love with Naruto, she recognized everything that happened between them thoughout the entire series and still she loved Sasuke but wasnt so strong as before.
>She recognized that Naruto became a great man
>she recognized Naruto was the only one who was at her side all the time
>that Naruto makes her happy
>That Naruto was there all the time to confort her and support her.
>That Naruto was the only one who encouraged her and all.

I think she will fall in love with Naruto not only with the "realize" of her feelings but it will come from Naruto, i believe that kishi is going to pull a Kushina 2.0 slow extreme version.

Well, so then lets just wait and see what it really is.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think she will fall in love with Naruto not only with the "realize" of her feelings but it will come from Naruto, i believe that kishi is going to pull a Kushina 2.0 slow extreme version.

That's pretty much happening here.

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, so then lets just wait and see what it really is.

Yes, we should. It's like I said in my last post.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 5 2013, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, don't. You have the right to say anything you want and speak your mind. If you feel pessimistic, that's all right. And it is your own inviolable right to do so. As long as you don't degrade yourself to bashing others.



QFT. Don-kun, if you keep this up, I will be forced to take action.

If you disagree with the pessimism, do not attack their attitudes. If they want to be that way, leave them be. But what you can do is at least refute why you feel optimistic. That is the best thing you can do.

Why do I need to explian myself in fact why do I bother with these kind of behavior.
I'm don't with all people who thinks that way since it doesn't help my day and to think that mostly I was concern about the kind behavior but now I clearly seems that it's a waste of time.
If some NaruSaku fans feels better bringing down NS positive point of view but OK with anything the NH camp stands for then is good for them, from now on I will never bother with them anymore.


QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 5 2013, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agreed. And not only that, Neji died finally knowing how his father felt when he sacrificed himself for the village. I would think there should've been more focus on Hiashi.



I don't think so. To be honest, I am not bothered by it at all. I'd rather have neutral translations than "shipping" translations. It just gives you less of a headache with the pairing war and helps keeps our expectations at bay.

I have this link save in my files
http://www.narusaku....showtopic=11421
I completely saw the way you was towards former narunarunaru.
So you thinking that way it will no longer be any of my concern.



To the others I really sorry but sometimes I'm at the point where I want to say screw it, screw NS and everything else but because of so many NS fan that truly inspire me to believe in NS and really become a NS fan while gaining more knowledge about the pairing it's what kind of allow me to keep my composure.

Men really I miss reading Paptala Candle boy, kns, Slext and some other great inspiring NS fan posters instead of so many NS against NS post.
I will no longer encourage anymore discussion among us, I will focus on the positive and ignore everything else. Is sad that when I was negative about NS I was question by others and no one ever came to shut down the person who ask me to believe in the pairing in fact I was encourage by other to have more faith.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 5 2013, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To end this topic, people can be jealous without noticing why. It happened in Inuyasha and some other more. I feel like looking at my list of anime to gather more proof. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you can take it as a consideration. Remember, Sakura doesn't know her feelings to the full extent. The rivalry scene, they both already acknowledge the love of Sasuke, so of course they know what they felt at the time. So yes, we don't know yet, but a speculation is a speculation.

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So.... Anybody remember that so-called NH date in Storm 3?? Well, the scene with Killer Bee just rekindled one of my daydreams of a NS moment.... I'm hoping for a scene where Bee takes a peek in Sakura's heart, and then touched by how NS feel for each other, he becomes inspired to write a song about them and sings it out to the whole alliance. Hilarity will ensue. I will completely fall off my chair if that happens.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 5 2013, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So.... Anybody remember that so-called NH date in Storm 3?? Well, the scene with Killer Bee just rekindled one of my daydreams of a NS moment.... I'm hoping for a scene where Bee takes a peek in Sakura's heart, and then touched by how NS feel for each other, he becomes inspired to write a song about them and sings it out to the whole alliance. Hilarity will ensue. I will completely fall off my chair if that happens.

Or a nightmare where he does a song about Hinata.
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