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#12041 kirabook

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

Don, maybe I'm just not as sensitive as other people and I don't find a pessimistic person to be a problem? Is there really anything wrong with being pessimistic over optimistic 24/7? Is there something wrong with challenging your own beliefs and the beliefs of the people who believe in what you do? This isn't a religion, you shouldn't have to be happy about how things are going all the time and always believe no matter what. You shouldn't be required to agree with everyone 100% and just because you are an NS fan doesn't mean you should hate the other pairings with a passion or bash them every time you have the opportunity to make you feel better.

That "Pessimism is always bad and that person has no faith" annoys me 100x more than any opposing view could. I don't mind the challenge of -terribly- explaining why I think things are a certain way so that others understand my point of view. If my point of view is a little bleaker than everyone elses, am I less of an NS fan to you? Should my views be silenced because they aren't all goody tissues and 100% in alignment with yours? I think not.

Nothing I say will make you understand where I'm coming from most likely, but I'm not really trying to convince you of anything. Just let it be known that the dragging on other people thing is annoying to read/watch.

Moving on, about Sakura loving both boys until the end...

It really depends on how long this is going to go on for after the war. Sakura loves both boys now, but she's already placed her love for Naruto above Sasukes. (Not strictly romantic at this point). If this continues to happen, soon her love for Sasuke will be like that of an older persons view on their first crush.

I remember my first crush. It was some boy in kindergarten that sucked his thumb at any opportunity he could get. I don't know what my 5 year old self was thinking crushing on someone like that, but I did. It was a fond memory of love... sorta. XD (although embarrassing) In the future, that is how I believe Sakura will be.

That said, I don't think Naruto and Sakura will be together 100% at the end of the series. Although Sakura has had a lot of time to get over Sasuke before the Summit arc, she didn't really know how bad it was until she met him again. Right now, fans are already dissing her for not getting over Sasuke after the Summit arc and it's only been about a week or two in their world since then. This isn't real life, but should we really be rooting for Sakura to get over a guy so quickly, no matter what the reason is? Give her time, her romantic love for Sasuke will fade soon enough, but I don't believe she will ever stop caring about him.

So, depending on how much time Kishi gives to the end, we'll either have to get an ambiguous ending with a scene that no fan can argue that they WON'T get together in the future. (hand holding and walking off in the distance or a kiss or something) OR, we'd have to get a time skip to the future where Sakura has already fallen out of love with Sasuke.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

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I clearly said that I like it when NS fans challenge another NS fan view since this help us in being lest biased, what I question was the fact that he/she seems to give NH and SS the benefit of the doubt over NS while I only did that because he/she is another fellow NS fan.

Again what it's it that always draws you to post something against what I said because no matter what I said I never being rude to the other person while I read many rude comments from so NS fans towards any argument that doesn't favor NS and you don't seems to make a comment or call them out, but any time I say something you're there to call me out seriously what it is?

Why do you always feel the need to argue against me to a point where you even said that I'm annoying.
Tell me where was I rude with this person?
Since when it's wrong to ask a person why he seems to put down NS so much, when he can easily create scenarios for NH & SS?
To my knowledge this isn't any random forum You Tube or DA that nullifies my question this is the NS FC site and we all seems to be NS fans here. Romance girl even called him pessimistic, Reddragon gave him a dead stare but you didn't seem to have a problem with them because they are not me.
Now that it reach to my persona it seems more like a personal thing going on between you and me that I really don't want any part of, now you even reach to a point of calling me annoying.


QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was once like this, but NH and SS are connected pairing one can only happen if the other also becames canon, you cant see NH happening and Sakura single and you cant see SS and Naruto also become single which i think he wont be or be just like Jiraiya which is a possibility but one thing for sure is that something realized on this weekend.

SS cant happen and never will and it's not because Sasuke does not love Sakura is because Sasuke was never something more special to Sakura than just being a crush relationships that became canon on this manga were mutual and both shared something, like encouraging each other's which we can see this on Tsunade/Dan it's shown Dan encouraging her and giving her support.
Sasuke never did this to Sakura.

That's why.

The only way for it to work is some big and strong asspuls five of them in a row and it's so strong that changes the story.

This is the part i show concern that's why i don't say NS 100%.


The bolded part you say it clear and so far is the only thing that kind of concerns me a little, since the Anime present NS, The Games favor NS the Movies seems more NS even the Manga points towards a NS end but the only thing that worries me is a sudden shift to a peace the fandom instead of staying honest to what you already developed in the Manga.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 March 2013 - 01:10 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 5 2013, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don, maybe I'm just not as sensitive as other people and I don't find a pessimistic person to be a problem? Is there really anything wrong with being pessimistic over optimistic 24/7? Is there something wrong with challenging your own beliefs and the beliefs of the people who believe in what you do? This isn't a religion, you shouldn't have to be happy about how things are going all the time and always believe no matter what. You shouldn't be required to agree with everyone 100% and just because you are an NS fan doesn't mean you should hate the other pairings with a passion or bash them every time you have the opportunity to make you feel better.

That "Pessimism is always bad and that person has no faith" annoys me 100x more than any opposing view could. I don't mind the challenge of -terribly- explaining why I think things are a certain way so that others understand my point of view. If my point of view is a little bleaker than everyone elses, am I less of an NS fan to you? Should my views be silenced because they aren't all goody tissues and 100% in alignment with yours? I think not.

Nothing I say will make you understand where I'm coming from most likely, but I'm not really trying to convince you of anything. Just let it be known that the dragging on other people thing is annoying to read/watch.

Moving on, about Sakura loving both boys until the end...

It really depends on how long this is going to go on for after the war. Sakura loves both boys now, but she's already placed her love for Naruto above Sasukes. (Not strictly romantic at this point). If this continues to happen, soon her love for Sasuke will be like that of an older persons view on their first crush.

I remember my first crush. It was some boy in kindergarten that sucked his thumb at any opportunity he could get. I don't know what my 5 year old self was thinking crushing on someone like that, but I did. It was a fond memory of love... sorta. XD (although embarrassing) In the future, that is how I believe Sakura will be.

That said, I don't think Naruto and Sakura will be together 100% at the end of the series. Although Sakura has had a lot of time to get over Sasuke before the Summit arc, she didn't really know how bad it was until she met him again. Right now, fans are already dissing her for not getting over Sasuke after the Summit arc and it's only been about a week or two in their world since then. This isn't real life, but should we really be rooting for Sakura to get over a guy so quickly, no matter what the reason is? Give her time, her romantic love for Sasuke will fade soon enough, but I don't believe she will ever stop caring about him.

So, depending on how much time Kishi gives to the end, we'll either have to get an ambiguous ending with a scene that no fan can argue that they WON'T get together in the future. (hand holding and walking off in the distance or a kiss or something) OR, we'd have to get a time skip to the future where Sakura has already fallen out of love with Sasuke.

Read don's post he said that it's not a matter of pessimism but the fact that he values more the arguments of NH and SS than the NS fandom.
Second i dont think Sakura loves two boys loving two people does not exist if you love other person than the first one then you dont love the first one.
and more importantly does not use personal experiences to justify something does not work it's a fictional work and often people tend to generalize everything with this experience this is not the way it works.
It's not about time she had three years to get over Sasuke and again it's a fictional work.

Jiraiya passed decades with his love for Tsunade and wont get over with when any normal person would already fallen out of love and even Naruto knowing that Sakura loves someome else after three years away from Sakura he still loved her so this logic does not make any sense.

And to finish Sakura is not just because omg Sasuke is evil she only need to question herself why she loves Sasuke and she fall out of love with him, but i do think this is not the way it will work, i think Sakura is a character that will realize what true love is, since we already know that wasnt Sasuke who make her happy the most.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 5 2013, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree. I do like when someone brings up something that is trying to go against us, without being intentional, because I want to be tested and see where I can draw a line. So far, well I have been doing so well. Is what I said all true? No, because I'm not the writer. It's always going down to be opinions. I think the problem about pairing fandom is that well, they have their "goggles" on and whatever a moment happens, it's increased by ten fold. You can have Hinata ask Naruto where is the enemy located and once Naruto tells her they're behind the beast, it's a pairing moment. Me, I don't have it on. I am always a fan first, pairing later.

Now you make ask, "So why it keeps bothering if NS don't happen?" Well that's the thing, because I am a general fan first. The writing is really saying NS all the way since the beginning. That's how I read it and remember, I did become a NS fan much later in the series. Look, in reality, all pairings in any media will ALWAYS have a chance. But that's not what I'm looking at. I'm looking at what truly fits the story and ties it really well. I can't get any other conclusions than NS. I just can't. I bet anime/games are thinking the exact thing. Does that mean you can't have fun with other? Not really, you can toy around for all I care. It just the main plot point must remain true to the story. Trust me, I'm not alone in this. Even the top comment pick by Kishi (or so we assume) addressed that NS is true to the story. I agree with that person a lot. Bottom line, all pairings have a chance, but only few can be right.

As for the new topic, well, I do think Sakura should close off with her feelings on this whole love triangle first before Naruto can finally accept it, and it must be on a good note. Naruto felt happy when she confessed, but the fact she gave up on Sasuke not only makes him think that this is not Sakura but he felt like she's betraying her character. I'm not saying she has to forever love Sasuke, but she must at least acknowledge him as a good friend, as a Team 7 member. She gave up on it and that hurt Naruto because to me, I feel that Naruto and Sakura share the same dream: Team 7 happiness. Naruto wants to love Sakura as she is, not giving up something they both work hard on. In fact, it almost felt like Naruto was Hinata: a second option when the first one fails. Naruto should not earn love like that. Again, first get Sasuke mess out of the way but on a good note, then come back to Naruto and then, he will accept it. Then again, she won't lie because well, Sasuke is good again. Also, it's best to have Naruto to do the confession, though the story does leaning towards that anyway. Naruto wants Sakura to be on her character.

For Naruto, the fact is the main problem is that he couldn't keep her happy when he failed the promise. That's really it. It can be cured when everything is all over. You may say "Didn't Sakura break the promise?" In my opinion, Sakura believes so, but Naruto didn't let go. I can imagine that he will bring it up again and surprise Sakura because she don't think it's necessary anymore, but remember, Naruto doesn't turn back his words. Something tells me he will bring it up again. To me, I believe the promise is still on. Naruto can accept Sakura's love at anytime, it's just don't lose hope in the process. If she can love Naruto and still wants Sasuke back, then that's great for Naruto because that does signify that she has moved on, but not giving up on hope at the same time.

Sakura's problem with Naruto is possibly not seeing herself worthy for him and possibly feels threatened by Hinata. As I mentioned before, love hint from one character can happen in two ways: jealousy and sadness. Jealousy usually happens in a calm daily life, where you can have comedy and light-heart moments. Oddly enough, the jealousy from Sakura happened in that special high school thing. The timing was right since it's not serious and it's comedy. Yes, it's a special, but you can see a lot of anime doing this. Sadness usually comes in a serious manner. Sakura has demonstrated this while healing Hinata, including imaging a shot of Naruto. That speaks volumes. Even the anime played it off well as she even lower her eyebrows as something is bothering her. Why else Kishi made that page, let alone in color. Anyway, sadness can come in different form. Threatened feeling, as mentioned before, is one. Shocked/heart breaking usually occurs when a misunderstanding moment happens or that moment is what it is, legit. Example like a random kiss happens to Naruto but not intentional, but Sakura sees it and feels stunned and run away as Naruto tries to correct her and ask why she is running. That means she is in love. Why else react that way. Will it happen here? Eh, not really, but I will be surprise. The point is that if 615 is what we think it is, then I think we just won.

Bottom line, the problems of NS is themselves, not their mates. Naruto must accomplish his goals to finally feel ready to pop the big confession while Sakura must understand her inner self to know who she truly is. If Kishi can handle them perfectly, I seriously think this is one of the best love story that I have read in a long time.

Wow, awesome post.
Youre completly right, the way the story progressed till now just leaves no space for NH or SS, it would completly go against the flow.
We should also as you said consider sakuras reaction during pain fight and chapter 615 as a very big hint for NS. Why else should kishi add her reaction there? Theres only one way to interpret it.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, awesome post.
Youre completly right, the way the story progressed till now just leaves no space for NH or SS, it would completly go against the flow.
We should also as you said consider sakuras reaction during pain fight and chapter 615 as a very big hint for NS. Why else should kishi add her reaction there? Theres only one way to interpret it.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:50 PM

Of course people love more than one person at a time. I would know (not personally, but someone very close to me). It's always a messy situation, but even if you love both of them, there's always one you love more than the other and you're willing to stick with them. Sometimes these sticky situations result in cheating, but as I discussed before, I believe Naruto would never cheat.

Kishi specifically said Sakura is the most human out of the cast. He made her that way on purpose, is it too far fetched to think that for that reason, she is more attached to Sasuke than we feel a fictional character should be?


Also, I did not specifically call anyone annoying. I said that "pessimism is bad" behavior is annoying and I wish it would stop.
You don't find " the argument is so bad that is not even funny and the sad part is that the argument is not coming from a NHtard." insulting or degrading at all? I don't have a problem with you personally, but that was just overly harsh and off-putting. It's not the first time you've addressed people like that either. It wasn't even directed at me and I still feel it was out of line. Yes, I think you were rude.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Still, wouldn't Hiashi be more fitting to be in that frame? After all, it's his daughter talking about the meaning of his nephew's death.

If the frame really doesn't have any meaning Sakura seems like an odd choice there since she's not relevant for that precise moment. Hiashi or any of Team Guy would be a better choice. It just seems weird for the decision to add Sakura to be completely arbitrary.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

On a lighter note: Are we the official NaruSaku fan club? Cuz even if were not I think we have the numerical advantage.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:09 PM

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I guess thats not the reason, since she was already shown to be shocked some panels before. Also what else can be said for her reaction when she was healing hinata during pain fight?

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 5 2013, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course people love more than one person at a time. I would know (not personally, but someone very close to me). It's always a messy situation, but even if you love both of them, there's always one you love more than the other and you're willing to stick with them. Sometimes these sticky situations result in cheating, but as I discussed before, I believe Naruto would never cheat.

Kishi specifically said Sakura is the most human out of the cast. He made her that way on purpose, is it too far fetched to think that for that reason, she is more attached to Sasuke than we feel a fictional character should be?


Also, I did not specifically call anyone annoying. I said that "pessimism is bad" behavior is annoying and I wish it would stop.
You don't find " the argument is so bad that is not even funny and the sad part is that the argument is not coming from a NHtard." insulting or degrading at all? I don't have a problem with you personally, but that was just overly harsh and off-putting. It's not the first time you've addressed people like that either. It wasn't even directed at me and I still feel it was out of line. Yes, I think you were rude.

I see this as an excuse for the usual lets put Don in his place.
So is that is how you feel then it's good for you since I was addressing the idea of Naruto moving on, anyway from now on keep in mind that I will clearly avoid your post while I will kindly ask you to avoid addressing my post.

My guts feelings tells me that there is something more to this and I don't really want to find out or get rude since it's not my nature but is clearly something I'm capable of doing when I feel that my question has merit basing on the fact that this is a NS site and the person is question is another NS fan. So lets avoid anyone gating nasty since I genuinely feel that I'm justify in what I'm saying plus I feel that I'm in the right place to do so.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:27 PM

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I said i'd post pics when i got my volume 60.. here they are + the page we discussed about. That Viz Media dry.gif






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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:38 PM

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 5 2013, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Off-topic

I said i'd post pics when i got my volume 60.. here they are + the page we discussed about. That Viz Media dry.gif







It kind of feels like they kind of cheeping Sakura's words since she said no matter what you say we will be together, but not only me we will all fight together this time.
Anyway that is how they translate it and honestly I never trusted Viz/S. Alpha worst when I read all those tweeter comments about how Naruto and Hinata child will look and the changing of Kushina's last line about a girld.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess thats not the reason, since she was already shown to be shocked some panels before. Also what else can be said for her reaction when she was healing hinata during pain fight?

Sorry but it's the reason her reaction is also followed by Kakashi's, she was wavering and about Sakura while was healing Hinata, it's not jealously or whatever since she did the confession on the same way, it's more the fact that Hinata was willing to sacrifice herself for Naruto, this scene connect to the fact that she thinks that she does not do enough things for Naruto, it's even stated by her own words on team 7 reunition and on Sai's talk.

The scene didnt had a big relevance.

I cant think other than her wavering it's kinda obvious there's no room for other interpretations since she, kakashi and the other people didnt see Neji dying someome else said that Neji died, if they could see Neji also they could see Naruto and Hinata which wasnt the case and also the smoke on the background does not help your claim.
The panels together gives a false impression that they are close but they arent, 616 proves that when Lee only started crying when they moved to Naruto's position and saw his body, even Kakashi moved to Naruto's current location, if Sakura was close she would have tried to do something to Neji.

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 5 2013, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course people love more than one person at a time. I would know (not personally, but someone very close to me). It's always a messy situation, but even if you love both of them, there's always one you love more than the other and you're willing to stick with them. Sometimes these sticky situations result in cheating, but as I discussed before, I believe Naruto would never cheat.

Kishi specifically said Sakura is the most human out of the cast. He made her that way on purpose, is it too far fetched to think that for that reason, she is more attached to Sasuke than we feel a fictional character should be?


Also, I did not specifically call anyone annoying. I said that "pessimism is bad" behavior is annoying and I wish it would stop.
You don't find " the argument is so bad that is not even funny and the sad part is that the argument is not coming from a NHtard." insulting or degrading at all? I don't have a problem with you personally, but that was just overly harsh and off-putting. It's not the first time you've addressed people like that either. It wasn't even directed at me and I still feel it was out of line. Yes, I think you were rude.

You're implying that she loves two boys romantically, Sakura does love Sasuke romantically speaking off but she's more attached to Naruto due the fact that Naruto was directly responsible of her growth as a woman and give everything to her what a boyfriend or a husband have to do with is support,encouragement,and everything.
Sasuke never did those things but still she loves Sasuke romantically the reason that i pointed above is what i think she will move on and fall in love with Naruto.
Sakura does not know the meaning of her feelings for Naruto, she's happy around him, everything for a healthy and happy relationship is already settled only if Kishimoto does a 180 and start doing asspulls, while on her confession she said she was happy with the team 7 now it's proved that it's on nowadays it's Naruto who makes her happy, even when they return she gives that smile to Naruto.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:49 PM

Hopefully Hinata's translation got watered down too... otherwise I'm calling that everyone who works on this manga/anime (translators and animators) as well as game creators are against Kishimoto

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:01 PM

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The translation is different than the others. dry.gif


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:04 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Mar 5 2013, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe you think my arguments come off that way because even while I'm complaining about NH/SS I'm not overly critical about them at the same time.

Well actually I don't bring up SS that often, and when I do say something about it its always just addressing Sakura liking Sasuke. NaruHina is a bit different because I do see it as a threat, but I'm not really 'panicky' over it because I've already accepted that thats how I feel. I consider myself a NaruSaku fan completely, but you won't see me raging about opposing pairings because frankly I don't see much use in it. And since I considered NH/SS a possibility along with NS for a bit of time now, I can be nothing but disappointed at certain development although I suppose I'm a bit more accepting of that side than what you usually find in a NaruSaku fan; I just don't like or favor it.

I'm not really afraid of accidentally upsetting some optimistic fans when I post either. I do share my negative opinion on this board but I feel like since most aren't as pessimistic as me on the outlook (which is a good thing, I think) than they won't be much concerned when I debate,as their certain of their own perspective anyway. The only way I can understand why some may get upset with what I type is those who are a bit more unsure than they let on to others. So if that's the case I can understand the backlash and will tone down some of the things I say, but otherwise I really don't see the trouble.


No, don't. You have the right to say anything you want and speak your mind. If you feel pessimistic, that's all right. And it is your own inviolable right to do so. As long as you don't degrade yourself to bashing others.

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 5 2013, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don, maybe I'm just not as sensitive as other people and I don't find a pessimistic person to be a problem? Is there really anything wrong with being pessimistic over optimistic 24/7? Is there something wrong with challenging your own beliefs and the beliefs of the people who believe in what you do? This isn't a religion, you shouldn't have to be happy about how things are going all the time and always believe no matter what. You shouldn't be required to agree with everyone 100% and just because you are an NS fan doesn't mean you should hate the other pairings with a passion or bash them every time you have the opportunity to make you feel better.

That "Pessimism is always bad and that person has no faith" annoys me 100x more than any opposing view could. I don't mind the challenge of -terribly- explaining why I think things are a certain way so that others understand my point of view. If my point of view is a little bleaker than everyone elses, am I less of an NS fan to you? Should my views be silenced because they aren't all goody tissues and 100% in alignment with yours? I think not.

Nothing I say will make you understand where I'm coming from most likely, but I'm not really trying to convince you of anything. Just let it be known that the dragging on other people thing is annoying to read/watch.


QFT. Don-kun, if you keep this up, I will be forced to take action.

If you disagree with the pessimism, do not attack their attitudes. If they want to be that way, leave them be. But what you can do is at least refute why you feel optimistic. That is the best thing you can do.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 5 2013, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Still, wouldn't Hiashi be more fitting to be in that frame? After all, it's his daughter talking about the meaning of his nephew's death.

If the frame really doesn't have any meaning Sakura seems like an odd choice there since she's not relevant for that precise moment. Hiashi or any of Team Guy would be a better choice. It just seems weird for the decision to add Sakura to be completely arbitrary.


Agreed. And not only that, Neji died finally knowing how his father felt when he sacrificed himself for the village. I would think there should've been more focus on Hiashi.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Mar 5 2013, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It kind of feels like they kind of cheeping Sakura's words since she said no matter what you say we will be together, but not only me we will all fight together this time.
Anyway that is how they translate it and honestly I never trusted Viz/S. Alpha worst when I read all those tweeter comments about how Naruto and Hinata child will look and the changing of Kushina's last line about a girld.


I don't think so. To be honest, I am not bothered by it at all. I'd rather have neutral translations than "shipping" translations. It just gives you less of a headache with the pairing war and helps keeps our expectations at bay.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry but it's the reason her reaction is also followed by Kakashi's, she was wavering and about Sakura while was healing Hinata, it's not jealously or whatever since she did the confession on the same way, it's more the fact that Hinata was willing to sacrifice herself for Naruto, this scene connect to the fact that she thinks that she does not do enough things for Naruto, it's even stated by her own words on team 7 reunition and on Sai's talk.

The scene didnt had a big relevance.

I cant think other than her wavering it's kinda obvious there's no room for other interpretations since she, kakashi and the other people didnt see Neji dying someome else said that Neji died, if they could see Neji also they could see Naruto and Hinata which wasnt the case and also the smoke on the background does not help your claim.
The panels together gives a false impression that they are close but they arent, 616 proves that when Lee only started crying when they moved to Naruto's position and saw his body, even Kakashi moved to Naruto's current location, if Sakura was close she would have tried to do something to Neji.


You're implying that she loves two boys romantically, Sakura does love Sasuke romantically speaking off but she's more attached to Naruto due the fact that Naruto was directly responsible of her growth as a woman and give everything to her what a boyfriend or a husband have to do with is support,encouragement,and everything.
Sasuke never did those things but still she loves Sasuke romantically the reason that i pointed above is what i think she will move on and fall in love with Naruto.
Sakura does not know the meaning of her feelings for Naruto, she's happy around him, everything for a healthy and happy relationship is already settled only if Kishimoto does a 180 and start doing asspulls, while on her confession she said she was happy with the team 7 now it's proved that it's on nowadays it's Naruto who makes her happy, even when they return she gives that smile to Naruto.

No its not just that she thinks she does not help naruto enough.
She thinks "hinata loves naruto?" seeing a picture of naruto and making a sad face meanwhile. This has nothing to do with her not doing enough for naruto.
Its obvious that sakura makes a sad face because she donesnt want to loose naruto to hinata. Maybe she also think that she should have been the one to help him in that situation.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:12 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 5 2013, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No its not just that she thinks she does not help naruto enough.
She thinks "hinata loves naruto?" seeing a picture of naruto and making a sad face meanwhile. This has nothing to do with her not doing enough for naruto.
Its obvious that sakura makes a sad face because she donesnt want to loose naruto to hinata. Maybe she also think that she should have been the one to help him in that situation.

If she does not want to lose Naruto to Hinata why later on she still loved Sasuke which is even stated by kishimoto himself, it's a huge contradiction, for me the only thing that happened there is this, the fact that Hinata was willing to sacrifice her life for Naruto and this implies that Hinata loves Naruto.
Ofc she was saddened, she was saddened by the fact that Hinata was willing to sacrifice her life for Naruto while she was there along with everyone else watching the fight, how many times thoughout the series she says that she does not do enough things for Naruto.

Or a little bit of empathy(by the fact that they both loved boys that does not love them back) because she was also willing to do everything for Sasuke on part 1.

My best take is the first one, i simply cant interpret as a meaning of her fearing that she can lose Naruto if she does not accept the feelings she has for Naruto as love and never showed any reaction that implies jeaously other than in fillers.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If she does not want to lose Naruto to Hinata why later on she still loved Sasuke which is even stated by kishimot himself, it's a huge contradiction, for me the only thing that happened there is this, the fact that Hinata was willing to sacrifice her life for Naruto and this implies that Hinata loves Naruto.
Ofc she was saddened, she was saddened by the fact that Hinata was willing to sacrifice her life for Naruto while she was there along with everyone else watching the fight, how many times thoughout the series she says that she does not do enough things for Naruto.

I think as you maybe realized, that there are special (most of the time dangerouse) moments where sakuras feelings for naruto come up, naruto becoming 4 tails as example. The pain fight was one of this moments too, that was also a reason for the hug afterwards. After this moments it goes back to normal just like when sakura met sasuke after naruto became 4 tails.

Yeah sakura was saddened that hinata sacrificed herself since it means that she loves naruto. So sakura is sad that hinata loves naruto. This scene also implies that sakura thinks again that she doesnt do enough for naruto and that hinata maybe would be th better choice for him. So whats the conclusion out of it? Sakura loves naruto.

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