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[TouKen4Life3g]

Sad that everything can be turn into a war.

[Inferno180]

At the time I read this, I see 7 guests hanging out in the background so i really wonder which types of fans actually come to this site and look at everything we say. Makes me wonder even more because why would they need to check on us if to the majority of the world, we are always wrong and ns stinks. I remember how many guests were lurking that morning with 631, it was a lot. But hey we said that stuff with Kushinas foreshadow had correlation with sakura. We have complete manga evidence to link how Kishi said in the past there would be one canon pairing in the end, how we saw kushinas background and early interaction with minato being similar to Sakura's with narutos, to how kushinas foreshadow said to find a girl like her, the we get minato who heard all of this beside her at their deaths seconding it himself, seeing Kushina in sakura in 631. Despite how it's argued, this is a really simple equation adding more insult to injury you all remember, even the guests reading this right now, how nh fans a great majority if them followed kushinas foreshadow before 631 or claimed hinata was like either if narutos parents, well guess what, hinata hasn't been compared at all, not to mention that equation I mentioned, it's not a parallel, it's solid consisce manga events happening in a sequence starting with just what Kishi said years ago. Then 631 came, that big outcry and outrage occurred, now people made so many other views or just dismiss ns entirely despite it happening. All I can say is, sorry if you don't like how we actually got right on the ball with this stuff since nothing has come up with naruto loving hinata or giving up on sakura and likewise 615 hasn't really shown anything past 633 and it's only been on hinatas side for that matter.


I know guests read this stuff, but come on, they wouldn't be lurking if they didn't have a reason. All of us say ns isn't canon yet, 631 is just showing where things may be pointing and that other ships should just consider it a possiblity.

[Nostradamus]

Sad that everything can be turn into a war.

It's human nature.

[Question22]

 Honestly PAIRING wars are nothing compared to these Celebrities/Singer fanbase wars. It's waaaay worse.  OMG if you see some of the comments these people make about the singers and the people defending them are worse.

JB(Justin Bieber) fanboys and fangirls vs haters is one of the most and worse wars ever o.o

 

Update: 5 guests are reading our posts

Edited by Question22, 10 December 2013 - 08:13 PM.

[Luna]

JB(Justin Bieber) fanboys and fangirls vs haters is one of the most and worse wars ever o.o

 

Update: 4 guests are reading our posts

Beyonce (BeyHive) vs Rihanna ( Navy) is the worse I've seen. But Yeah these wars are nasty.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's human nature.

I know.

[Hanabi]

Does kakashi know that Rin did that on purpose ?! Man i feel sorry for Obito and Kakashi. Both of them were screwed. Wonder what more twisted plots Kishi has weaved into his story.

Yeah they both found out somehow. Which chapter are you at?

i did say they look similar  because of the bangs but now i see their profiles are a bit similar not that its  relevant to anything....but their pose is also similar ..coincidence or kishimoto is tricking us?idk

 

but if u want to see which other character i see resembling Mikoto and why ,let me know

Several characters are drawn with the same pose too. like you know the face naruto made when he save sakura, minato's face when he save kushina, edo hashirama's face when he tell tobirama to behave..

 

but sakura is more like kushina and tsunade imo

Edited by Hanabi, 10 December 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[redragon88]

yes there r many things about which mangaka has to worry than pairing but i disagree that he isnt aware of pairing war completely. I have met pairing fans of japan and they do debate about pairings too. and yes there hasnt been ns nh ns nh but there i used more or less so i wasnt serious about it

 

Even if Kishi was aware of something so insignificant as pairing wars (very low chances) it's not like he would even care.

 

Whatever pairing moments are in the manga they are done for the sake of advancing the story, nothing more nothing less. Kishi is not looking to appeal to the fans of this pairing or that pairing. It's the arrogant fans who make themselves believe that Kishi is pandering to their desires, and when things eventually don't go their way they'll be in for a big reality check.

 

This is one of the excuses anti-NS fans use for 631, that it was done to stir up the pairing fandom. To those people I just want to say "Get real, as if your petty pairing war actually matters to Kishi. Get over yourself".

 

Besides, it's already been mentioned that in Japan the general acceptance is that NS is the pairing that will happen if you follow the story logically, and any other form of shipping is done for superficial reasons. People in Japan that genuinely expect NH to happen are see as odd.

[Shashank95]

Yeah they both found out somehow. Which chapter are you at?

Several characters are drawn with the same pose too. like you know the face naruto made when he save sakura, minato's face when he save kushina, edo hashirama's face when he tell tobirama to behave..
 
but sakura is more like kushina and tsunade imo

I actually don't have an internet connection for my pc, i'm doing this on a pretty basic Nokia. I can't read the manga on my phone, so i just ask one of my Narusaku friends on facebook for updates.

[Inferno180]

 

Yeah they both found out somehow. Which chapter are you at?

Several characters are drawn with the same pose too. like you know the face naruto made when he save sakura, minato's face when he save kushina, edo hashirama's face when he tell tobirama to behave..

 

but sakura is more like kushina and tsunade imo

 

 

When it comes to scenes such as Naruto saving Sakura from Sasuke and Minato saving Kushina from kurama controlled Obito, this is generally where the parallel arguments come in with some form.

 

In the simplest of arguments, yes people can all call these 2 scenes similar, parallel or not. Many other scenes in the manga from one to another can be seen like this, but if anything then if people really argue these for paring material then its either:

 

They are intended so the manga team draws them as kishi and the editors see fit or kishi and his team are lazy and just model the scenes of one thing to another for situations like this. Thats the basic gist of it.

[Shashank95]

Wow it's 5 in the morning and it feels damn good to read all these comments immediately when i woke up. People do tend to escalate the pairing wars to new heights but as NS4Life3g said, it's human nature to stir trouble and start fights.

[Jake]

Execpt Sasuke's only genjutsu is the basic Sharingan Genjutsu, meaning eye contact is a requirement. Also there is the question of if a genjutsu like the one Kabuto used is even strong enough to control Kurama, remeber even Kurenai a genjutsu specialist had trouble dealing with Itachi's genjutsu.

 

I don't think that statement is correct:

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-408.html

 

In this panel, Sasuke uses Genjutsu to force a Cloud ninja to reveal B's location. Look closely at the Sharingan eye being used. It is clearly his Mangekyo eye and as Kakashi will attest to, Mangekyo genjutsu is far above average. The other thing to consider is that eye contact is not a requirement when performing genjutsu. As demonstrated by Itachi when he fought Team 7 during the rescue Gaara arc, genjutsu can be performed by simply staring at one's finger. Kabuto as well did not require eye contact to affect an entire crowd of people.

 

 

Chapter 585 Page 17

 

In this panel, Sasuke uses "Genjutsu-Sharingan" while using his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, just because you are using Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't mean you can't use basic Sharingan Genjutsu. And Kabuto does not have Sharingan so he had to use a standard Genjutsu that anyone could learn, and this is just the same with Itachi using Genjutsu with his hands, it was not a Sharingan based genjutsu, and Sasuke has not been shown to know anything but Sharingan based Genjutsu.

 

Also when Kakashi spoke about the power of the Mangekyo's Genjutsu he was actually talking about Tsukuyomi witch is possibly the second most powerful Genjutsu there is (the most powerful would be Shisui's Genjutsu that let him control people's minds.

 

That occurred after the Heaven & Earth Bridge incident and Naruto's vow not to use Kurama's power again, so Naruto really had no reason to stop Sasuke, and as for Kurama, remember that he was within a seal restricting his power and chakra but now Naruto has undone the seal, lifting the restraints on Kurama.

 

But having been affected by Itachi's power and trying to prevent Itachi from controlling his mind, if this is a genjutsu why would Naruto simply allow it. Bear in mind that this also means disabling his healing factor as no fox chakra=no advanced healing. As for the seal, not only was it weakening but Kurama has been exuding chakra to Naruto since day one, allowing him to perform the shadow clone technique despite being at a young age as well as the healing factor. According to Jiraiya, to stop genjutsu one must be able to disrupt their own chakra flow either themselves or by the intervention of another. This means that Kurama should have been able to naturally disrupt Naruto's flow as he has already been recieving chakra from Kurama.

 

 

Naruto has only been under Itachi's Genjutsu twice, Once during the Kazekage Rescue arc, where Naruto did try to dispel the Genjutsu, and the other time was during the Itashi Pursuit arc and in this case, Naruto was a Shadow Clone and Itachi was a... Crow Clone?, any way both were clones.

 

Naruto didn't need Kurama's Chakra to preform Shadow Clone Jutsu, he is an Uzumaki, meaning massive chakra reserved.

 

And as for why Kurama didn't dispel Genjutsu before, what motivation did he have? Kurama has held Naruto and Humans in general in contempt for centuries.

 

As for the seal Kurama has never been shown being capable of disrupting Naruto's chakra, only the chakra that Naruto gets from him, the chakra that seal mixes into Naruto's is but a small part of his chakra, any control Kurama has over it is small at best.

 

And finally as for the healing factor, it hasn't been doing much for him lately, it didn't fix his dislocated shoulder, and he hasn't been in need of if since the Heaven and Earth Bridge when it was regrowing his skin.

 

Another thing to consider is whether or not Sasuke could even enter Naruto's subconscious again, you have to remember Naruto was standing still doing nothing, when Naruto and Sasuke fight Naruto is going to be having to keep moving if he stands still and Sasuke was able to put him and Kurama under a genjutsu all it would take is one Chidori to the heart and the battles over.

 

And yet Itachi was able to put him under genjutsu and then stuck a raven in his mouth. Naruto stinks at genjutsu, in all forms. Like I have already proven above, It doesn't take eye contact to place an enemy under genjutsu, only the enemy's contact with a certain part of the body, say the fist for example. Besides, look at all of the previous fights. How many times have we seen two enemies lock eyes together while at high speed movement. For example, Danzo who you would think would be smart enough having all those sharingan eyes made that mistake and paid for it dearly. Naruto is not that smart. He doesn't know how to fight without eye to eye contact like guy, and even if he attacks with clones Sasuke will know which clone is the real one with his basic sharingan. Besides, what do you think Naruto is going to do when he fights Sasuke? Nuke him with a Tailed Beast Bomb? Nah, he's gonna take a deep breath. Look right into Sasuke's eyes, put his hand on his shoulder and say Ahem

 

Naruto:Sasuke, it's okay that you murdered Danzo, assaulted the Kage, nearly killed Sakura, Kakashi, and myself, tortured Cloud shinobi, attacked a fellow Jinchurriki who became my mentor, killed a deep cover agent who happened to be your brother, deserted the village that trusted you than sided with the enemy but than changed your mind. And you want to know why? Because I lov... I I mean you're my friend, that's why. And as long as we're friends, we can destroy hatred, create world peace, and accomplish our dreams together!

 

As for the Chidori while I prefer the practical route, I think that Sasuke would prefer to remove Kurama first rather then kill both Naruto and Kurama. That seems to be the route Kishi is taking at this point with his character. Don't forget that Sasuke has already rammed a chidori through Naruto which failed to kill him bc of the Nine-tailed fox, which means that in order to kill Naruto he would have to cut him off from Kurama.

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-228.html Chidori runs through Naruto

 

http://www.mangapand...hapter-228.html Kyubi saves Naruto from certain death

 

Good debate so far Jake

 

You are confusing the two times Naruto was under Itachi's genjutsu, the first time was not Sharingan based, and Itachi gave Naruto the crow under Tsukuyomi.

 

As for Danzo, he has all those Sharingans on his arm modified to let him use Izanagi, meaning anything done to him would be reversed instantly.

 

And as for Naruto, like I've said Kurama would be able to dispel any Genjutsu like Gyuki did for B, it Sasuke couldn't counter Gyuki's dispelling of his genjutsu they why would he be able to counter Kurama, chances are that since his fight with B, Sasuke will know it pointless to try genjutsu on Naruto now.

 

I have to ask how Sasuke would go about extracting Kurama from Naruto, every time we've seen a Tailed-Beast extraction it required the Jinchuriki to be incapacitated, even Kushina had to be restrained before the process could begin.

 

And finally the Chidori through the Chest, Sasuke had said that Naruto had deflected his Chidori causing him to miss his heart, resulting in a punctured lung while still a major injury that can result in death via blood lose it is not fatal in and of itself.

[Shashank95]

Chapter 585 Page 17
 
In this panel, Sasuke uses "Genjutsu-Sharingan" while using his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, just because you are using Mangekyo Sharingan doesn't mean you can't use basic Sharingan Genjutsu. And Kabuto does not have Sharingan so he had to use a standard Genjutsu that anyone could learn, and this is just the same with Itachi using Genjutsu with his hands, it was not a Sharingan based genjutsu, and Sasuke has not been shown to know anything but Sharingan based Genjutsu.
 
Also when Kakashi spoke about the power of the Mangekyo's Genjutsu he was actually talking about Tsukuyomi witch is possibly the second most powerful Genjutsu there is (the most powerful would be Shisui's Genjutsu that let him control people's minds.
 

 
Naruto has only been under Itachi's Genjutsu twice, Once during the Kazekage Rescue arc, where Naruto did try to dispel the Genjutsu, and the other time was during the Itashi Pursuit arc and in this case, Naruto was a Shadow Clone and Itachi was a... Crow Clone?, any way both were clones.
 
Naruto didn't need Kurama's Chakra to preform Shadow Clone Jutsu, he is an Uzumaki, meaning massive chakra reserved.
 
And as for why Kurama didn't dispel Genjutsu before, what motivation did he have? Kurama has held Naruto and Humans in general in contempt for centuries.
 
As for the seal Kurama has never been shown being capable of disrupting Naruto's chakra, only the chakra that Naruto gets from him, the chakra that seal mixes into Naruto's is but a small part of his chakra, any control Kurama has over it is small at best.
 
And finally as for the healing factor, it hasn't been doing much for him lately, it didn't fix his dislocated shoulder, and he hasn't been in need of if since the Heaven and Earth Bridge when it was regrowing his skin.
 

 
You are confusing the two times Naruto was under Itachi's genjutsu, the first time was not Sharingan based, and Itachi gave Naruto the crow under Tsukuyomi.
 
As for Danzo, he has all those Sharingans on his arm modified to let him use Izanagi, meaning anything done to him would be reversed instantly.
 
And as for Naruto, like I've said Kurama would be able to dispel any Genjutsu like Gyuki did for B, it Sasuke couldn't counter Gyuki's dispelling of his genjutsu they why would he be able to counter Kurama, chances are that since his fight with B, Sasuke will know it pointless to try genjutsu on Naruto now.
 
I have to ask how Sasuke would go about extracting Kurama from Naruto, every time we've seen a Tailed-Beast extraction it required the Jinchuriki to be incapacitated, even Kushina had to be restrained before the process could begin.
 
And finally the Chidori through the Chest, Sasuke had said that Naruto had deflected his Chidori causing him to miss his heart, resulting in a punctured lung while still a major injury that can result in death via blood lose it is not fatal in and of itself.

Also Kurama's general loathing of the Uchiha's can come into play. We've seen how many times kurama has been subdued and controlled by the Sharingan, so the question is, now that Kurama is free of the seal would he even give an uchiha the chance to even try to use that thieving eye to subdue him ? I don't think so.

[narulsaku]

 
Even if Kishi was aware of something so insignificant as pairing wars (very low chances) it's not like he would even care.
 
Whatever pairing moments are in the manga they are done for the sake of advancing the story, nothing more nothing less. Kishi is not looking to appeal to the fans of this pairing or that pairing. It's the arrogant fans who make themselves believe that Kishi is pandering to their desires, and when things eventually don't go their way they'll be in for a big reality check.
 
This is one of the excuses anti-NS fans use for 631, that it was done to stir up the pairing fandom. To those people I just want to say "Get real, as if your petty pairing war actually matters to Kishi. Get over yourself".
 
Besides, it's already been mentioned that in Japan the general acceptance is that NS is the pairing that will happen if you follow the story logically, and any other form of shipping is done for superficial reasons. People in Japan that genuinely expect NH to happen are see as odd.

oh boy . We should really get over this tpoic. I also think that kishi has manythings important to look after than pairings. He has to do something with madara. He has to manage the final sasuke and naruto battle



hey wait the final battle will be between naruto and sasuke can this still happen?

[Shashank95]

^ that has to happen. Sasuke is probably gonna stab Naruto in the back as soon as they are done with Madara. That is if none of them die trying to take out that crazy uchiha.

[narulsaku]

^ that has to happen. Sasuke is probably gonna stab Naruto in the back as soon as they are done with Madara. That is if none of them die trying to take out that crazy uchiha.

ohhh ummm i think that may happen or sasuke might complete his evil plan first after the war ends and chalengs naruto but as he becomes tired after such a long war he says another time maybe and leaves.

[Shashank95]

Who knows what the emo is thinking. I personally don't mind both of them slugging it out right there cause that would also spur Sakura's feelings seeing Naruto in danger. Combine that with what Naruto said at the Kage summit that both of them would die the next time they faced each other, sakura would have no choice but to confront her feelings for Naruto and Sasuke.

[Inferno180]

I still get the feeling Orochimaru may attempt to take over Madara's body.

 

Because we dont know the full scale of Sasukes plan and orochimaru is following Sasuke, having told Hiruzen and Tsunade he wants to see this "new wind" of Sasuke's,

 

Its just even when he was sealed by itachi, Orochimaru had a long lasting impact on the series, even Obito and Madara didnt expect him to have so much knowledge. Obito was cursing Orochimaru for knowing about the Izanagi and the link with Danzo. Madara even noted that "others" being Danzo had attempted the Senju-Uchiha link to gain great power. But this strikes me as a secret even Danzo kept and we may see a reveal soon, Danzo did want to change the shinobi world and maybe he sought to attain that same power as Madara did.

 

Likewise, think about this:

 

Madara's following powers include:

His expert basic powers of any human, well far enhanced now

His Uchiha powers granting strong fire style

His Sharigan (though temporarily gone) grants all the powers of his EMS

His strongest full powered Sussano

His Senju blood grants him wood style along with earth and water and all the powers Hashirama had

His clone of Hashirama grants him the sage mode he took from Hashirama too

The Rinnegan grants everything else including wind style, the 6 path powers, and more. Even without his real eyes right now, he is still able to absorb chakra.

 

These are all devistating powers making Madara practically untouchable, even having Hashirama's powers and the Rinnegan, he can just absorb normal and natural chakra, supress tailed beast chakra, block it the natural energy with sage mode, and even if he did somehow manage to get hurt, he will just use hashiramas auto healing ability. In short Madara has all defenses against all type of powers and attacks and even if one of these was overwealmed, he has the power to heal himself. In all, Madara is OP and its going to be very very very hard for the allied shinboi forces to take him down, unlike Obito, he isnt going to be vulerable to natural chakra so not even a sage boosted kurama naruto may be able to do much.

 

Yet there is one place he is still vulnerable, physically by mentality. I dont mean by a genjutsu or a sensory attack that could disturb him I mean what kabuto did to Sasuke and Itachi to cause them to go blinded by light and disoriented by sound can still work on Madara, but that's not the case here. He is vulnerable to the sole fact he never has seen an ability like Orchimaru's body assimilation power. Orochimaru did just transfer into a white zetsu, but given the fact that its an artiifcal body (and that kishi may cut out the consistency for the 3 year limit, if it even has a cooldown). Orochimaru will have an opprotunity to take over Madara's body. Now its no suprise this is highly unlikely, I mean this is Madara, he has had a perfect track record for all purposes. In fact Kabuto benefitted him was the only thing he didnt count on. So what will cause Madara to screw up?

 

I only take this as a short speculation cause, this is orochimaru, he always did shady stuff in the background, found out how to research the eye of the moon plan to the point Obito and Madara had seen they made hypothesises off what it could do. Madara was suprised others like Kabuto knew of the plan, that the stone tablet could cause this "true happiness" and that the sharigan and rinnegan were linked. Likewise Danzo was in this connection and Obito didnt like how he was firing around Izanagi. The biggest thing being just why did ororchimaru look into the uzumaki clan sealing jutsu for the reaper death seal to get his arms and revive the 4 hokage at max power? All for the purpose of stopping Obito on his own heart? No something isnt right here. Its just too convinent for him to have a plan like that only for the sole purpose of getting his old jutsu back, it makes no sense to have a plan just to revive the 4 past hokage to which he cannot even bind them, even hashirama threw it off even though Orochimaru was able to bind tobirama. See how something is wrong?

 

This one line made me think, from Sugestsu: "With this data, we can change the outcome of this war, we can become gods!"

 

Something stinks and its not the Orochimaru's snakes or Kisames sharks......

[Shashank95]

I still get the feeling Orochimaru may attempt to take over Madara's body.
 
Because we dont know the full scale of Sasukes plan and orochimaru is following Sasuke, having told Hiruzen and Tsunade he wants to see this "new wind" of Sasuke's,
 
Its just even when he was sealed by itachi, Orochimaru had a long lasting impact on the series, even Obito and Madara didnt expect him to have so much knowledge. Obito was cursing Orochimaru for knowing about the Izanagi and the link with Danzo. Madara even noted that "others" being Danzo had attempted the Senju-Uchiha link to gain great power. But this strikes me as a secret even Danzo kept and we may see a reveal soon, Danzo did want to change the shinobi world and maybe he sought to attain that same power as Madara did.
 
Likewise, think about this:
 
Madara's following powers include:
His expert basic powers of any human, well far enhanced now
His Uchiha powers granting strong fire style
His Sharigan (though temporarily gone) grants all the powers of his EMS
His strongest full powered Sussano
His Senju blood grants him wood style along with earth and water and all the powers Hashirama had
His clone of Hashirama grants him the sage mode he took from Hashirama too
The Rinnegan grants everything else including wind style, the 6 path powers, and more. Even without his real eyes right now, he is still able to absorb chakra.
 
These are all devistating powers making Madara practically untouchable, even having Hashirama's powers and the Rinnegan, he can just absorb normal and natural chakra, supress tailed beast chakra, block it the natural energy with sage mode, and even if he did somehow manage to get hurt, he will just use hashiramas auto healing ability. In short Madara has all defenses against all type of powers and attacks and even if one of these was overwealmed, he has the power to heal himself. In all, Madara is OP and its going to be very very very hard for the allied shinboi forces to take him down, unlike Obito, he isnt going to be vulerable to natural chakra so not even a sage boosted kurama naruto may be able to do much.
 
Yet there is one place he is still vulnerable, physically by mentality. I dont mean by a genjutsu or a sensory attack that could disturb him I mean what kabuto did to Sasuke and Itachi to cause them to go blinded by light and disoriented by sound can still work on Madara, but that's not the case here. He is vulnerable to the sole fact he never has seen an ability like Orchimaru's body assimilation power. Orochimaru did just transfer into a white zetsu, but given the fact that its an artiifcal body (and that kishi may cut out the consistency for the 3 year limit, if it even has a cooldown). Orochimaru will have an opprotunity to take over Madara's body. Now its no suprise this is highly unlikely, I mean this is Madara, he has had a perfect track record for all purposes. In fact Kabuto benefitted him was the only thing he didnt count on. So what will cause Madara to screw up?
 
I only take this as a short speculation cause, this is orochimaru, he always did shady stuff in the background, found out how to research the eye of the moon plan to the point Obito and Madara had seen they made hypothesises off what it could do. Madara was suprised others like Kabuto knew of the plan, that the stone tablet could cause this "true happiness" and that the sharigan and rinnegan were linked. Likewise Danzo was in this connection and Obito didnt like how he was firing around Izanagi. The biggest thing being just why did ororchimaru look into the uzumaki clan sealing jutsu for the reaper death seal to get his arms and revive the 4 hokage at max power? All for the purpose of stopping Obito on his own heart? No something isnt right here. Its just too convinent for him to have a plan like that only for the sole purpose of getting his old jutsu back, it makes no sense to have a plan just to revive the 4 past hokage to which he cannot even bind them, even hashirama threw it off even though Orochimaru was able to bind tobirama. See how something is wrong?
 
This one line made me think, from Sugestsu: "With this data, we can change the outcome of this war, we can become gods!"
 
Something stinks and its not the Orochimaru's snakes or Kisames sharks......

That's a really nice theory. That Rotten Hebi teme has found all possible ways to keep coming back to affect the plot of the manga. I don't know what's with kishi and over powered uchihas. It like the guys got a hard on for them or something. Well back to the topic of the Hebi teme, i agree with you, that guy surely has something planned. I mean this is the guy who liked the Yondaime Kazekage just to destroy Konoha. Even after his apparent death the guy found a way to try and take over Sasuke. So you're right, something seriously stinks and it smells of Orochimaru all over.

[Shashank95]

Sorry abt that

Edited by Shashank95, 11 December 2013 - 06:09 AM.