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[rocci]

I have to disagree strongly with this part. I would much rather that Sakura comes to realize her love for Naruto by herself, rather than having Sasuke be the one to tell and convince her about it.

yeah but look at rin she still try to confess her love to kakashi only to reject it. well i think all girl in naruto world is stuborn, when they love someone they will only see that boy(hinata, ino, and sakura???)

[Don-kun]

I have to disagree strongly with this part. I would much rather that Sakura comes to realize her love for Naruto by herself, rather than having Sasuke be the one to tell and convince her about it.

Again I agree with you, if the Manga reach to a point where Sasuke needs to reject Sakura again so she can finally understand that Naruto loves her and she should give him a change mostly because her chances with Sasuke are zero, I don't think or believe I will stomach that behavior anymore since my biggest wish is for Sakura to tell him thanks but no thank there is someone else.
So right now I have my fingers crossed praying that Kishi would not commit this crime against Sakura character.

At this point I still have not gotten over the Sasuke will understand me line when it was just a movie.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Again I agree with you, if the Manga reach to a point where Sasuke needs to reject Sakura again so she can finally understand that Naruto loves her and she should give him a change mostly because her chances with Sasuke are zero, I don't think or believe I will stomach that behavior anymore since my biggest wish is for Sakura to tell him thanks but no thank there is someone else.
So right now I have my fingers crossed praying that Kishi would not commit this crime against Sakura character.

At this point I still have not gotten over the Sasuke will understand me line when it was just a movie.

Well to be fair, while a bit OoC out of both characters, she did get betray and got really mad at Naruto. Plus, it was made for a lesson to be taught. Still, yeah, there could have been another way but oh well, he probably have a hard time to get the story start it. Then again, it could be like how in real life situation, you and your girlfriend are having an argument and she may bring up her old boyfriend, which can piss you off. It sure did to Naruto, which is shocking. But who knows. In the end, NS overcame themselves. That's all I care.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 March 2013 - 04:37 AM.

[kirabook]

Kira you should go over the forum to see for your self that I'm not exaggerating since this is going on for a good while that even redragon88 needed to make a wall post about this same topic, also the pro NH discussion is not only here is going on in the RTN thread and sometimes Naruto Chronicles ass well.

I lurk here all the time and glance/read over just about everything.

I do not see any "pro NH" unless it's actually from an NH/SS person coming onto the forum to chat. I do see a lot of NS fans just like you speculating the possibility of other things happening that might not end in NS and others often putting them on blast or exaggerating their points to make them seem radical.

All I ask is that people calm down and realize that discussing "What if Naruto and Hinata did get together, how would Naruto behave?" or "Would Naruto still be happy even if he didn't get with Sakura?" does NOT equal "You're saying NS isn't going to be canon!" It's a debate thread, not a circle jerk thread. You're not always going to agree with everyone who posts here and you shouldn't try to shut down peoples discussions if they're too "pro whatever" for you.

I hate having to repeat, "I'm only speculating" every time I post so that people won't assume I'm jumping ship or switching sides when I've never even mentioned something like that. Even if I do say that, some still assume the worse of me and any speculating that occurs from random thoughts.

All I'm saying is, even though I'm an NS fan, I still have a lot of "What if" thoughts. Those are not, "Er, I'm unsure about NS becoming canon 8S" thoughts. I believe without a doubt that NS will be canon. Kishi has made the road there very rocky and he's thrown in some things that I feel ruins the flow, but I still believe it is THE pairing. I have enough confidence in NS to discuss other possibilities without freaking out and I thought others were the same.

[Baguette]

@kirabook
I know exactly how you feel. When I made that thread concerning possible arguments for NaruHina a week ago, a few people automatically assumed I was an NH shipper and treated me as such.
To be fair, the misunderstanding was partly my fault, though I did explicitly state that I ship NaruSaku.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@kirabook
I know exactly how you feel. When I made that thread concerning possible arguments for NaruHina a week ago, a few people automatically assumed I was an NH shipper and treated me as such.
To be fair, the misunderstanding was partly my fault, though I did explicitly state that I ship NaruSaku.

Yeah, I remember that. I knew somehow, but sadly, people can be quickly judgmental. It doesn't help that NH fans were gloating all over NS fans. No joke, it really happened. Be glad you joined in the right time, and that saying a lot. I remember it was flooded with over 100 guests yet we have a lot of usual amounts of NS users. Why? Because NH fans invaded us. There were couple of accounts that was made to bash us. It was a disaster. In NF, it was under attack. It was hell. I remained cool, but you can tell it's actually getting to me. So again, yeah, it can be hard, but we all have to be calm.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I lurk here all the time and glance/read over just about everything.

I do not see any "pro NH" unless it's actually from an NH/SS person coming onto the forum to chat. I do see a lot of NS fans just like you speculating the possibility of other things happening that might not end in NS and others often putting them on blast or exaggerating their points to make them seem radical.

All I ask is that people calm down and realize that discussing "What if Naruto and Hinata did get together, how would Naruto behave?" or "Would Naruto still be happy even if he didn't get with Sakura?" does NOT equal "You're saying NS isn't going to be canon!" It's a debate thread, not a circle jerk thread. You're not always going to agree with everyone who posts here and you shouldn't try to shut down peoples discussions if they're too "pro whatever" for you.

I hate having to repeat, "I'm only speculating" every time I post so that people won't assume I'm jumping ship or switching sides when I've never even mentioned something like that. Even if I do say that, some still assume the worse of me and any speculating that occurs from random thoughts.

All I'm saying is, even though I'm an NS fan, I still have a lot of "What if" thoughts. Those are not, "Er, I'm unsure about NS becoming canon 8S" thoughts. I believe without a doubt that NS will be canon. Kishi has made the road there very rocky and he's thrown in some things that I feel ruins the flow, but I still believe it is THE pairing. I have enough confidence in NS to discuss other possibilities without freaking out and I thought others were the same.

I agree with this. We shouldn't all automatically get all intense and patronizing just because someone believes in another possibility that is not so good for our pairing. Anything's possible, right? Our pro-opinions isn't superior in the least. Tbh, I do feel like all lot of us should consider NaruHina a possibility and not outright deny it because that makes us no better than the NHers who do the same to us. They believe in only their opinion and do not consider any opposing arguments. I never really liked that about shipping fans.

But that's where the problem lies. Having an OTP that you root for and love so strongly can cause many people to have overly passionate responses and jump to the "You're giving up on NS?!" conclusion. The NaruHina fans and how they mocked us and insulted our faith in our pairing certainly didn't help, it only made us more touchy. I can see that, even though for almost all of us we aren't particularly worried about NH too badly. I think it unconsciously made us more defensive lol.

I actually find differing opinions like Poision and Azure Waters refreshing because usually the debate thread doesn't get opposing arguments for the other side. It's mostly just NS fans agreeing with each other and speculating. I still get disappointed at the rather obvious lack of NH/SS fans we get on our forums to express their opinions to us because that's what a debate's supposed to be. But's it's not surprising, NaruHina stick to their fanclubs and we stick to ours.

Though I will admit, I'm still somewhat shocked that I see such a pessimestic NS fan like Azure Waters who still feels that way over NH and NS, even after 616. Most of the NaruSaku fans I've seen, here and elsewhere, seem just as confident and sure of our OTP as ever. Is that our arrogance again or do we really have no reason to be worried too much? I ask this 'cause I'm distinctly not worried about NaruHina becoming canon instead of NaruSaku. Honestly, the reason why I say NH has a chance is because Kishi is the writer and he can do anything.

But to change the topic to something more peaceful, I have a question that's been bugging me since I read some posts a few pages back the other day. I remember some mentioned that Sakura will still be in love with Sasuke at the end of the series, but will only realize she loves Naruto more. Being a full-blown NS shipper, I have some problems with this theory. However, I'd like to know, do a lot of you believe this to be true?

If it really does turn out that way, then I wonder how Naruto would feel over this. Would he really be able to accept Sakura in a relationship when she still loves Sasuke, even though she claims to him she loves him more? I honestly ... can't see this. Naruto already feels insecure enough in the romance department when it comes to "love" and "Sakura". Even if she told him this, I don't think he'd buy it easily. Naruto seems like the type that would rather have all of Sakura than most. I truly don't think he would be able to accept her if she loves him yet loves someone else as well. After all, his trademark is "all or nothing".

Thoughts? I'd appreciate some feedback from this.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 05 March 2013 - 06:48 AM.

[redragon88]

@xxRomanceGirlxx

I don't think Sakura would enter a relationship with Naruto if she still has feelings for Sasuke. And more importantly I don't think Naruto would allow it because he wants her to be certain of her feelings before she makes any decision. That much was pretty clear during her confession to Naruto.

Maybe if Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke by the end there could be a scene that implies that eventually it's Naruto who she ends up with, although to be honest it would feel kinda of a let down to not see a true conclusion to the whole love triangle deal.

I'm just hoping to God that Kishi doesn't take the route of Slam Dunk. I never saw it but I hear that there's never any resolution of feelings, the main character never successfully confesses. Love remains unrequited with no clue as to the possibility of change. At least that's what I understand from other people's explanations.

I hear Kishi was a fan of the love triangle in the Slam Dunk manga, although I don't know how accurate is that fact. And that he might've based the love triangle of Naruto from it. I just hope that if that's the case the reason he did so was because he wanted to give it resolution that Slam Dunk never offered. I think Naruto's romance side plot has gotten more far than Slam Dunk's ever did, with Sakura already knowing Naruto loves her and her attempt at being in a relationship with him.

As for how Sakura could possibly love Naruto completely by the end, even I have no clue as to how it could happen. I think sometimes it's easier to figure out how Naruto will convince Sasuke to be good again in comparison to how he'll charm Sakura enough to make her fall even more in love with him.

You see, this is another reason I want NS. It makes the conclusion exclusive to Team 7, everything must begin and end with them. Naruto wants to save Sasuke from his darkness, he refuses to be Hokage until that happens, and he also doesn't want to open his heart to Sakura beforehand either. It all fits together and if someone doesn't see it is because they choose to ignore it.

[Dkey]

But to change the topic to something more peaceful, I have a question that's been bugging me since I read some posts a few pages back the other day. I remember some mentioned that Sakura will still be in love with Sasuke at the end of the series, but will only realize she loves Naruto more. Being a full-blown NS shipper, I have some problems with this theory. However, I'd like to know, do a lot of you believe this to be true?

If it really does turn out that way, then I wonder how Naruto would feel over this. Would he really be able to accept Sakura in a relationship when she still loves Sasuke, even though she claims to him she loves him more? I honestly ... can't see this. Naruto already feels insecure enough in the romance department when it comes to "love" and "Sakura". Even if she told him this, I don't think he'd buy it easily. Naruto seems like the type that would rather have all of Sakura than most. I truly don't think he would be able to accept her if she loves him yet loves someone else as well. After all, his trademark is "all or nothing".

Thoughts? I'd appreciate some feedback from this.

Sakura hides her true feelings pretty good from us. We have proof that she cares more for Naruto than Sasuke yet I remember when that fodder-nin offered her a love letter she rejected him and thought of Sasuke.
The Confession and attempt to kill Sasuke in my opinion proved that Sakura tried to break all ties and all feelings with Sasuke but, Naruto being such a nice guy, unknowingly gave her hope that one day Team 7 will be reunited.

Another thing proved the above episodes. That she isn't so sure of her feelings as she thought ergo the reason why Naruto accused her of lying to herself.
If the series ends with Sasuke back in the village probably she will go to talk to him, but more so she can have closure and make a decision.

I read that Kishi saw Sakura as a more humane character, don't know if that character design still holds, but for me what truly makes her human is her flaws and apparent inability to sort her feelings.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I agree with this. We shouldn't all automatically get all intense and patronizing just because someone believes in another possibility that is not so good for our pairing. Anything's possible, right? Our pro-opinions isn't superior in the least. Tbh, I do feel like all lot of us should consider NaruHina a possibility and not outright deny it because that makes us no better than the NHers who do the same to us. They believe in only their opinion and do not consider any opposing arguments. I never really liked that about shipping fans.

But that's where the problem lies. Having an OTP that you root for and love so strongly can cause many people to have overly passionate responses and jump to the "You're giving up on NS?!" conclusion. The NaruHina fans and how they mocked us and insulted our faith in our pairing certainly didn't help, it only made us more touchy. I can see that, even though for almost all of us we aren't particularly worried about NH too badly. I think it unconsciously made us more defensive lol.

I actually find differing opinions like Poision and Azure Waters refreshing because usually the debate thread doesn't get opposing arguments for the other side. It's mostly just NS fans agreeing with each other and speculating. I still get disappointed at the rather obvious lack of NH/SS fans we get on our forums to express their opinions to us because that's what a debate's supposed to be. But's it's not surprising, NaruHina stick to their fanclubs and we stick to ours.

Though I will admit, I'm still somewhat shocked that I see such a pessimestic NS fan like Azure Waters who still feels that way over NH and NS, even after 616. Most of the NaruSaku fans I've seen, here and elsewhere, seem just as confident and sure of our OTP as ever. Is that our arrogance again or do we really have no reason to be worried too much? I ask this 'cause I'm distinctly not worried about NaruHina becoming canon instead of NaruSaku. Honestly, the reason why I say NH has a chance is because Kishi is the writer and he can do anything.

But to change the topic to something more peaceful, I have a question that's been bugging me since I read some posts a few pages back the other day. I remember some mentioned that Sakura will still be in love with Sasuke at the end of the series, but will only realize she loves Naruto more. Being a full-blown NS shipper, I have some problems with this theory. However, I'd like to know, do a lot of you believe this to be true?

If it really does turn out that way, then I wonder how Naruto would feel over this. Would he really be able to accept Sakura in a relationship when she still loves Sasuke, even though she claims to him she loves him more? I honestly ... can't see this. Naruto already feels insecure enough in the romance department when it comes to "love" and "Sakura". Even if she told him this, I don't think he'd buy it easily. Naruto seems like the type that would rather have all of Sakura than most. I truly don't think he would be able to accept her if she loves him yet loves someone else as well. After all, his trademark is "all or nothing".

Thoughts? I'd appreciate some feedback from this.

I agree. I do like when someone brings up something that is trying to go against us, without being intentional, because I want to be tested and see where I can draw a line. So far, well I have been doing so well. Is what I said all true? No, because I'm not the writer. It's always going down to be opinions. I think the problem about pairing fandom is that well, they have their "goggles" on and whatever a moment happens, it's increased by ten fold. You can have Hinata ask Naruto where is the enemy located and once Naruto tells her they're behind the beast, it's a pairing moment. Me, I don't have it on. I am always a fan first, pairing later.

Now you make ask, "So why it keeps bothering if NS don't happen?" Well that's the thing, because I am a general fan first. The writing is really saying NS all the way since the beginning. That's how I read it and remember, I did become a NS fan much later in the series. Look, in reality, all pairings in any media will ALWAYS have a chance. But that's not what I'm looking at. I'm looking at what truly fits the story and ties it really well. I can't get any other conclusions than NS. I just can't. I bet anime/games are thinking the exact thing. Does that mean you can't have fun with other? Not really, you can toy around for all I care. It just the main plot point must remain true to the story. Trust me, I'm not alone in this. Even the top comment pick by Kishi (or so we assume) addressed that NS is true to the story. I agree with that person a lot. Bottom line, all pairings have a chance, but only few can be right.

As for the new topic, well, I do think Sakura should close off with her feelings on this whole love triangle first before Naruto can finally accept it, and it must be on a good note. Naruto felt happy when she confessed, but the fact she gave up on Sasuke not only makes him think that this is not Sakura but he felt like she's betraying her character. I'm not saying she has to forever love Sasuke, but she must at least acknowledge him as a good friend, as a Team 7 member. She gave up on it and that hurt Naruto because to me, I feel that Naruto and Sakura share the same dream: Team 7 happiness. Naruto wants to love Sakura as she is, not giving up something they both work hard on. In fact, it almost felt like Naruto was Hinata: a second option when the first one fails. Naruto should not earn love like that. Again, first get Sasuke mess out of the way but on a good note, then come back to Naruto and then, he will accept it. Then again, she won't lie because well, Sasuke is good again. Also, it's best to have Naruto to do the confession, though the story does leaning towards that anyway. Naruto wants Sakura to be on her character.

For Naruto, the fact is the main problem is that he couldn't keep her happy when he failed the promise. That's really it. It can be cured when everything is all over. You may say "Didn't Sakura break the promise?" In my opinion, Sakura believes so, but Naruto didn't let go. I can imagine that he will bring it up again and surprise Sakura because she don't think it's necessary anymore, but remember, Naruto doesn't turn back his words. Something tells me he will bring it up again. To me, I believe the promise is still on. Naruto can accept Sakura's love at anytime, it's just don't lose hope in the process. If she can love Naruto and still wants Sasuke back, then that's great for Naruto because that does signify that she has moved on, but not giving up on hope at the same time.

Sakura's problem with Naruto is possibly not seeing herself worthy for him and possibly feels threatened by Hinata. As I mentioned before, love hint from one character can happen in two ways: jealousy and sadness. Jealousy usually happens in a calm daily life, where you can have comedy and light-heart moments. Oddly enough, the jealousy from Sakura happened in that special high school thing. The timing was right since it's not serious and it's comedy. Yes, it's a special, but you can see a lot of anime doing this. Sadness usually comes in a serious manner. Sakura has demonstrated this while healing Hinata, including imaging a shot of Naruto. That speaks volumes. Even the anime played it off well as she even lower her eyebrows as something is bothering her. Why else Kishi made that page, let alone in color. Anyway, sadness can come in different form. Threatened feeling, as mentioned before, is one. Shocked/heart breaking usually occurs when a misunderstanding moment happens or that moment is what it is, legit. Example like a random kiss happens to Naruto but not intentional, but Sakura sees it and feels stunned and run away as Naruto tries to correct her and ask why she is running. That means she is in love. Why else react that way. Will it happen here? Eh, not really, but I will be surprise. The point is that if 615 is what we think it is, then I think we just won.

Bottom line, the problems of NS is themselves, not their mates. Naruto must accomplish his goals to finally feel ready to pop the big confession while Sakura must understand her inner self to know who she truly is. If Kishi can handle them perfectly, I seriously think this is one of the best love story that I have read in a long time.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 March 2013 - 07:59 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Playing the devil's advocate somewhat here but in those two instances where Sakura had a strong reaction by seeing Hinata's affection for Naruto, they were in serious situations. When she was healing Hinata, she definitely looked sad but it's possible that she was reacting more out of sympathy then being uncomfortable. Do I agree with this? Not really, she looked a little too sad for that but it could still be possible. And I find Sakura's expression in 615 a bit more important ... but the thing is I can't really tell if she's disturbed shocked or general shocked (Like: "Oh."). I've stared at it intensely for several minutes but am no closer to trying to read her emotions other than shocked. Damn Sakura and her tendency to be so complicated!

Maybe it's partly the anime influencing my judgement, but I do think Sakura's the jealous type when it comes to guys she likes/loves. However, I'm pretty sure Hinata is a complete exception. She's too nice for her to warrant jealousy in Sakura, but that's not even that. Like Naruto with her, she feels like a terrible person who is not worthy of him. And Hinata ... well, though they aren't that close, Sakura knows that she never hated or hurt Naruto emotionally as much as she did. Be it because she looked down on him once upon a time and/or she regrets the pain she caused him because of her one-sided love for Sasuke. Either way, she knows enough to feel like Hinata is better because she would never hurt Naruto like she has, unintentionally or not.

So yeah, IMO Sakura's a definite jealous type. But over Hinata because of their shared affection for Naruto? I doubt it. The most this would create is her inferiority complex, sadness/mild envy, confusion over why she is feeling these negative emotions, and then being selfless to the point of selfishness. Soon after, another NS moment will take place and Sakura will finally vent out to him in a emotional rush how worthless and terrible she feels for him. Cue dramatic NaruSaku argument again, probably increasing the pairing's chances even more before the final stretch: Sasuke vs. Naruto.

This is actually a very probable possibility. If not, then I don't understand the meaning for those two Sakura panels reacting negatively to something NaruHina-related.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 05 March 2013 - 08:28 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Playing the devil's advocate somewhat here but in those two instances where Sakura had a strong reaction by seeing Hinata's affection for Naruto, they were in serious situations. When she was healing Hinata, she definitely looked sad but it's possible that she was reacting more out of sympathy then being uncomfortable. Do I agree with this? Not really, she looked a little too sad for that but it could still be possible. And I find Sakura's expression in 615 a bit more important ... but the thing is I can't really tell if she's disturbed shocked or general shocked (Like: "Oh."). I've stared at it intensely for several minutes but am no closer to trying to read her emotions other than shocked. Damn Sakura and her tendency to be so complicated!

Maybe it's partly the anime influencing my judgement, but I do think Sakura's the jealous type when it comes to guys she likes/loves. However, I'm pretty sure Hinata is a complete exception. She's too nice for her to warrant jealousy in Sakura, but that's not even that. Like Naruto with her, she feels like a terrible person who is not worthy of him. And Hinata ... well, though they aren't that close, Sakura knows that she never hated or hurt Naruto emotionally as much as she did. Be it because she looked down on him once upon a time and/or she regrets the pain she caused him because of her one-sided love for Sasuke. Either way, she knows enough to feel like Hinata is better because she would never hurt Naruto like she has, unintentionally or not.

So yeah, IMO Sakura's a definite jealous type. But over Hinata because of their shared affection for Naruto? I doubt it. The most this would create is her inferiority complex, sadness/mild envy, confusion over why she is feeling these negative emotions, and then being selfless to the point of selfishness. Soon after, another NS moment will take place and Sakura will finally vent out to him in a emotional rush how worthless and terrible she feels for him. Cue dramatic NaruSaku argument again, probably increasing the pairing's chances even more before the final stretch: Sasuke vs. Naruto.

This is actually a very probable possibility. If not, then I don't understand the meaning for those two Sakura panels reacting negatively to something NaruHina-related.

Well, for the record, a girl can feel jealousy/threatened by anyone, even the nicest girl. I know there were few anime/manga that plays this. It's all about how close they are with the guy, not mentally but physically. That panel in 615 does hold a big wedge on it because it can be nothing, or it can be really something. For now, we don't know what is Sakura's take on Hinata, but if it didn't stop her to hug Naruto, well that means something. I'm not saying she's going to hog everything before Hinata get the chance, but if Sakura didn't feel anything special for Naruto or feel like Hinata is more deserving, then the hug shouldn't happen at all. The hug did signify that there is more to her for Naruto, especially Kishi had the time to create multiple reactions to the hug.

It's like what they say, well at least from a guy POV: woman's feelings is a mystery. If Kishi did in fact made Sakura as a realistic girl, then this one is no exception.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Well, for the record, a girl can feel jealousy/threatened by anyone, even the nicest girl. I know there were few anime/manga that plays this. It's all about how close they are with the guy, not mentally but physically. That panel in 615 does hold a big wedge on it because it can be nothing, or it can be really something. For now, we don't know what is Sakura's take on Hinata, but if it didn't stop her to hug Naruto, well that means something. I'm not saying she's going to hog everything before Hinata get the chance, but if Sakura didn't feel anything special for Naruto or feel like Hinata is more deserving, then the hug shouldn't happen at all. The hug did signify that there is more to her for Naruto, especially Kishi had the time to create multiple reactions to the hug.

It's like what they say, well at least from a guy POV: woman's feelings is a mystery. If Kishi did in fact made Sakura as a realistic girl, then this one is no exception.

That reminded me of a SasuSaku fan who once argued to me that there was no way Sakura's hug to Naruto was intended to be romantic because she knew Hinata's feelings and she wouldn't be that selfish or cruel to Hinata for hugging the guy she loves with romantic intent.

I still don't see Sakura as being jealous of Hinata. Envious and sad, sure. And if she actually is jealous, she would never express outloud and still go for that "Hinata deserves you more!" line I see her throwing at there at some point.

We'll just wait and see.

[redragon88]

That reminded me of a SasuSaku fan who once argued to me that there was no way Sakura's hug to Naruto was intended to be romantic because she knew Hinata's feelings and she wouldn't be that selfish or cruel to Hinata for hugging the guy she loves with romantic intent.

I still don't see Sakura as being jealous of Hinata. Envious and sad, sure. And if she actually is jealous, she would never express outloud and still go for that "Hinata deserves you more!" line I see her throwing at there at some point.

We'll just wait and see.

But I guess Sakura confessing her love for Naruto is totally cool. Dat logic.

[Don-kun]

@Kira

I agree with this. We shouldn't all automatically get all intense and patronizing just because someone believes in another possibility that is not so good for our pairing. Anything's possible, right? Our pro-opinions isn't superior in the least. Tbh, I do feel like all lot of us should consider NaruHina a possibility and not outright deny it because that makes us no better than the NHers who do the same to us. They believe in only their opinion and do not consider any opposing arguments. I never really liked that about shipping fans.

But that's where the problem lies. Having an OTP that you root for and love so strongly can cause many people to have overly passionate responses and jump to the "You're giving up on NS?!" conclusion. The NaruHina fans and how they mocked us and insulted our faith in our pairing certainly didn't help, it only made us more touchy. I can see that, even though for almost all of us we aren't particularly worried about NH too badly. I think it unconsciously made us more defensive lol.

I actually find differing opinions like Poision and Azure Waters refreshing because usually the debate thread doesn't get opposing arguments for the other side. It's mostly just NS fans agreeing with each other and speculating. I still get disappointed at the rather obvious lack of NH/SS fans we get on our forums to express their opinions to us because that's what a debate's supposed to be. But's it's not surprising, NaruHina stick to their fanclubs and we stick to ours.

Though I will admit, I'm still somewhat shocked that I see such a pessimestic NS fan like Azure Waters who still feels that way over NH and NS, even after 616. Most of the NaruSaku fans I've seen, here and elsewhere, seem just as confident and sure of our OTP as ever. Is that our arrogance again or do we really have no reason to be worried too much? I ask this 'cause I'm distinctly not worried about NaruHina becoming canon instead of NaruSaku. Honestly, the reason why I say NH has a chance is because Kishi is the writer and he can do anything.

But to change the topic to something more peaceful, I have a question that's been bugging me since I read some posts a few pages back the other day. I remember some mentioned that Sakura will still be in love with Sasuke at the end of the series, but will only realize she loves Naruto more. Being a full-blown NS shipper, I have some problems with this theory. However, I'd like to know, do a lot of you believe this to be true?

If it really does turn out that way, then I wonder how Naruto would feel over this. Would he really be able to accept Sakura in a relationship when she still loves Sasuke, even though she claims to him she loves him more? I honestly ... can't see this. Naruto already feels insecure enough in the romance department when it comes to "love" and "Sakura". Even if she told him this, I don't think he'd buy it easily. Naruto seems like the type that would rather have all of Sakura than most. I truly don't think he would be able to accept her if she loves him yet loves someone else as well. After all, his trademark is "all or nothing".

Thoughts? I'd appreciate some feedback from this.

@Kira
Honestly why is so easy for you to try on correct me when others are debating the same stuff with the user and how obvious it's to everyone else.
Romancegirl even call it pessimistic so what is so hard to notice plus the only thing I'm doing his questioning him/her commitment since it's really odd seeing someone always saying something that place NH and SS over NS when normally your thought as a NS fan is to try and finding ways of how and why you believe NS will happen while when debating against NH or SS you try to find holds in their argument instead of trying to point out holds in NS while saying how the other two have chances and you could see them happening instead of NS.


Seriously Kira can't you see that? Just read Azures last 15th post to get what I mean and to be honest it's way more than the last 15th, others can also see that the only difference is that they are OK with it but in my case I like it when a the person is straight forward with me, I will say it again I find it odd that someone always trying to find it hard on NS but gives NH and SS the benefit of the doubt since this is the same behavior I spend most of my time arguing against in the NF debate thread, this feels almost like reading what I read from other debaters in the past just that this time it's from one of our fan.
I'm positive that other also notice it, but choose not to talk about it that in some part it's good for the NS forum environment.

@xxRomanceGirlxx
I don't see anything wrong with Poison either I just see it has a bold move to go against NS fans in a NS site, anyway the thing with Poison is that you know what pairing she ship so you understand why she will say the thing she says, but honestly a NS fan holding that stand is not normal, I see doubters who are clearly disappointment with the current direction of the Manga to a point where some are frustrated while others strongly believe NS still have the better chances, but Azures stand is not the same has those doubter or believers it's like he fully gives NH and SS the benefit of the doubt over NS.


About your question, this has more to do with Kishi's writing style and the fact that he made Sakura confess her love to Naruto while denying that she have feelings for Sasuke and Naruto not believing her, so now there is no way for Naruto to believe Sakura is over Sasuke and wants to be with him with out Sasuke being on the good side plus Naruto doesn't want to be with Sakura is she refuse to be around Sasuke mostly because it's clearly a lie, we all know that she will Kill Sasuke if he s near to kill Naruto but she does care about him and Naruto doesn't want her to deny that.
So in other words Sakura will have to explain Naruto that what she thought she had for Sasuke was real love but discover that it was nothing but a naive impulse on her side since what she feels for Naruto is way more stronger to a point where she understands the real mining of loving someone, she will not deny that she cares about Sasuke but it will never compare to what she feels for Naruto.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 March 2013 - 11:48 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I agree with this. We shouldn't all automatically get all intense and patronizing just because someone believes in another possibility that is not so good for our pairing. Anything's possible, right? Our pro-opinions isn't superior in the least. Tbh, I do feel like all lot of us should consider NaruHina a possibility and not outright deny it because that makes us no better than the NHers who do the same to us. They believe in only their opinion and do not consider any opposing arguments. I never really liked that about shipping fans.

But that's where the problem lies. Having an OTP that you root for and love so strongly can cause many people to have overly passionate responses and jump to the "You're giving up on NS?!" conclusion. The NaruHina fans and how they mocked us and insulted our faith in our pairing certainly didn't help, it only made us more touchy. I can see that, even though for almost all of us we aren't particularly worried about NH too badly. I think it unconsciously made us more defensive lol.

I actually find differing opinions like Poision and Azure Waters refreshing because usually the debate thread doesn't get opposing arguments for the other side. It's mostly just NS fans agreeing with each other and speculating. I still get disappointed at the rather obvious lack of NH/SS fans we get on our forums to express their opinions to us because that's what a debate's supposed to be. But's it's not surprising, NaruHina stick to their fanclubs and we stick to ours.

Though I will admit, I'm still somewhat shocked that I see such a pessimestic NS fan like Azure Waters who still feels that way over NH and NS, even after 616. Most of the NaruSaku fans I've seen, here and elsewhere, seem just as confident and sure of our OTP as ever. Is that our arrogance again or do we really have no reason to be worried too much? I ask this 'cause I'm distinctly not worried about NaruHina becoming canon instead of NaruSaku. Honestly, the reason why I say NH has a chance is because Kishi is the writer and he can do anything.

But to change the topic to something more peaceful, I have a question that's been bugging me since I read some posts a few pages back the other day. I remember some mentioned that Sakura will still be in love with Sasuke at the end of the series, but will only realize she loves Naruto more. Being a full-blown NS shipper, I have some problems with this theory. However, I'd like to know, do a lot of you believe this to be true?

If it really does turn out that way, then I wonder how Naruto would feel over this. Would he really be able to accept Sakura in a relationship when she still loves Sasuke, even though she claims to him she loves him more? I honestly ... can't see this. Naruto already feels insecure enough in the romance department when it comes to "love" and "Sakura". Even if she told him this, I don't think he'd buy it easily. Naruto seems like the type that would rather have all of Sakura than most. I truly don't think he would be able to accept her if she loves him yet loves someone else as well. After all, his trademark is "all or nothing".

Thoughts? I'd appreciate some feedback from this.

I think this is mentality is broken on the very confession arc.
He realized Sakura wasnt the same girl that he thought she would never give any kind of affection to him and would only love Sasuke.
Even Sai said "Choosing you would" he even got saddened because he think about it, he knew that she did the right choice, the Sasuke stuff was only hurting her and putting Naruto into more danger because he wanted to deal with it alone.
He knows that for Sakura he's the most important., the fact is that kishimoto is avoiding a NS interaction and it's going on from a long time.

That arc pretty much killed SS of happening not just because of the murder attempts but also when Sakura said about why "she loves Naruto" all the good things she pointed out i asked to myself what is left to Sasuke, then i re-read Sakura's confession to Sasuke again and i was right, there was nothing that would make it valid her love for Sasuke.
On her confession she never said that Sasuke encouraged her or changed her life she only said she was happy with him,Kakashi and Naruto the old team 7, on a time that Naruto was not special or important to her because she was willing to go with Sasuke and leave Naruto behind to pursue a selfish love.

Then we go back to the actual confession when Naruto thought about Sasuke he think that she could only be the happiest with Sasuke but he was wrong, because on her confession she was happy with team 7 setup not just because of Sasuke, Naruto got the wrong idea for sure.

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Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 March 2013 - 11:16 AM.

[Chatte]

Remember the old argument of GokuChiChi/NaruHina?
Have you guys seen this on Tumblr?

http://swirls-and-cu...nsurprising-lol

When I saw these pics, no offence, sorry for the language, but I laughed my ass out. First seems a bit stretched since it's from anime, but second and third. Priceless!

Edited by Chatte, 05 March 2013 - 11:45 AM.

[AzureWaters]

@Kira


@Kira
Honestly why is so easy for you to try on correct me when others are debating the same stuff with the user and how obvious it's to everyone else.
Romancegirl even call it pessimistic so what is so hard to notice plus the only thing I'm doing his questioning him/her commitment since it's really odd seeing someone always saying something that place NH and SS over NS when normally your thought as a NS fan is to try and finding ways of how and why you believe NS will happen while when debating against NH or SS you try to find holds in their argument instead of trying to point out holds in NS while saying how the other two have chances and you could see them happening instead of NS.


Seriously Kira can't you see that? Just read Azures last 15th post to get what I mean and to be honest it's way more than the last 15th, others can also see that the only difference is that they are OK with it but in my case I like it when a the person is straight forward with me, I will say it again I find it odd that someone always trying to find it hard on NS but gives NH and SS the benefit of the doubt since this is the same behavior I spend most of my time arguing against in the NF debate thread, this feels almost like reading what I read from other debaters in the past just that this time it's from one of our fan.
I'm positive that other also notice it but choose not to talk about it that in some part it's good for the NS forum environment.

@xxRomanceGirlxx
I don't see anything wrong with Poison either I just see it has a bold move to go against NS fans in a NS site, anyway the thing with Poison is that you know what pairing she ship so you understand why she will say the thing she says, but honestly a NS fan holding that stand is not normal, I see doubters who are clearly disappointment with the current direction of the Manga to a point where some are frustrated while others strongly believe NS still have the better chances, but Azures stand is not the same has those doubter or believers it's like he fully gives NH and SS the benefit of the doubt over NS.

Maybe you think my arguments come off that way because even while I'm complaining about NH/SS I'm not overly critical about them at the same time.

Well actually I don't bring up SS that often, and when I do say something about it its always just addressing Sakura liking Sasuke. NaruHina is a bit different because I do see it as a threat, but I'm not really 'panicky' over it because I've already accepted that thats how I feel. I consider myself a NaruSaku fan completely, but you won't see me raging about opposing pairings because frankly I don't see much use in it. And since I considered NH/SS a possibility along with NS for a bit of time now, I can be nothing but disappointed at certain development although I suppose I'm a bit more accepting of that side than what you usually find in a NaruSaku fan; I just don't like or favor it.

I'm not really afraid of accidentally upsetting some optimistic fans when I post either. I do share my negative opinion on this board but I feel like since most aren't as pessimistic as me on the outlook (which is a good thing, I think) than they won't be much concerned when I debate,as their certain of their own perspective anyway. The only way I can understand why some may get upset with what I type is those who are a bit more unsure than they let on to others. So if that's the case I can understand the backlash and will tone down some of the things I say, but otherwise I really don't see the trouble.

Edited by AzureWaters, 05 March 2013 - 12:02 PM.

[Don-kun]

Remember the old argument of GokuChiChi/NaruHina?
Have you guys seen this on Tumblr?

http://swirls-and-cu...nsurprising-lol

When I saw these pics, no offense, sorry for the language, but I laughed my ass out. First seems a bit stretched since it's from anime, but second and third. Priceless!

Some call it arrogance on some NS fans, I see it more has not caring about NH and SS opinions anymore since at this point I'm more concerned on the fact that Kishi can do whatever he wants but when it come to Manga fact NS is clearly above NH and SS connived to a point where they need to fabricated scenarios that in most of the case NS already have but they blatantly choose to ignore or deny while they only believe in their personal interpretation of the Manga against the Manga itself.

Maybe you think my arguments come off that way because even while I'm complaining about NH/SS I'm not overly critical about them at the same time.

Well actually I don't bring up SS that often, and when I do say something about it its always just addressing Sakura liking Sasuke. NaruHina is a bit different because I do see it as a threat, but I'm not really 'panicky' over it because I've already accepted that thats how I feel. I consider myself a NaruSaku fan completely, but you won't see me raging about opposing pairings because frankly I don't see much use in it. And since I considered NH/SS a possibility along with NS for a bit of time now, I can be nothing but disappointed at certain development although I suppose I'm a bit more accepting of that side than what you usually find in a NaruSaku fan; I just don't like or favor it.

I'm not really afraid of accidentally upsetting some optimistic fans when I post either. I do share my negative opinion on this board but I feel like since most aren't as pessimistic as me on the outlook (which is a good thing, I think) than they won't be much concerned when I debate,as their certain of their own perspective anyway. The only way I can understand why some may get upset with what I type is those who are a bit more unsure than they let on to others. So if that's the case I can understand the backlash and will tone down some of the things I say, but otherwise I really don't see the trouble.

I said this a million times, I'm not concerned about NS and the development of the Manga if anything worries me a bit is the fact that Kishi could randomly create a scenario to push NH and SS while throwing all NS development through the window.

About you it's just confusing to see a NS fans challenging another NS fan view, but that's not the confusing part since I like it when NS fans correct each other in other to avoid being biased, the confusing part is that you always seems to give the other pairing the benefit of the doubt over NS something I find hard to swallow from another NS fan, your behavior is not upsetting to me but it's clearly confusing that it forces me to believe that you seem more comfortable with the idea of NH and SS instead of NS, sorry is that isn't the case but that's the impression I get after reading your post.

About the bold part what do you mean? I understand something but I prefer if you clear that up to avoid any miss understanding.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 March 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Maybe you think my arguments come off that way because even while I'm complaining about NH/SS I'm not overly critical about them at the same time.

Well actually I don't bring up SS that often, and when I do say something about it its always just addressing Sakura liking Sasuke. NaruHina is a bit different because I do see it as a threat, but I'm not really 'panicky' over it because I've already accepted that thats how I feel. I consider myself a NaruSaku fan completely, but you won't see me raging about opposing pairings because frankly I don't see much use in it. And since I considered NH/SS a possibility along with NS for a bit of time now, I can be nothing but disappointed at certain development, although I suppose I'm a bit more accepting of that side than what you usually find in a NaruSaku fan; I just don't like or favor it.

I'm not really afraid of accidentally upsetting some optimistic fans when I post either. I do share my negative opinion on this board but I feel like since most aren't as pessimistic as me on the outlook (which is a good thing, I think) than they won't be much concerned when I debate,as their certain of their own perspective anyway. The only way I can understand why some may get upset with what I type is those who are a bit more unsure than they let on to others. So if that's the case I can understand the backlash and will tone down some of the things I say, but otherwise I really don't see the trouble.

I was once like this, but NH and SS are connected pairing one can only happen if the other also becames canon, you cant see NH happening and Sakura single and you cant see SS and Naruto also become single which i think he wont be or be just like Jiraiya which is a possibility but one thing for sure is that something realized on this weekend.

SS cant happen and never will and it's not because Sasuke does not love Sakura is because Sasuke was never something more special to Sakura than just being a crush relationships that became canon on this manga were mutual and both shared something, like encouraging each other's which we can see this on Tsunade/Dan it's shown dan encouraging her and giving her support.
Sasuke never did this to Sakura.

That's why.

The only way for it to work is some big and strong asspuls five of them in a row and it's so strong that changes the story.

This is the part i show concern that's why i dont say NS 100%.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 March 2013 - 12:07 PM.