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[redragon88]

Giving up implies that he still wants it but is too tired to fight for what is earn-able. If Kishimoto decides to change Naruto's feelings, it won't be depicted in the way your explaining it.

[PhenixElite]

All this stuff about naruto movin on is just real life nonsense. The manga has developed narutos love for sakura and sakura started changing her feelings from sasuke to naruto during the whole series. So there is no point in naruto moving on. It doesnt make sense for the story to show naruto moving on, when kishi developed this pairing that much.

[sushi.]

Giving up implies that he still wants it but is too tired to fight for what is earn-able. If Kishimoto decides to change Naruto's feelings, it won't be depicted in the way your explaining it.

You make it look like the only way for Naruto to be single and happy is to make him stop loving Sakura and move on. He can accept that she doesn't like him in that way, but still have feelings for her. Because he couldn't deal with being friendzoned, he had to move on. Naruto is stronger than that, and he will let her go, but not let his feelings for her fade. Jiraiya loved Tsunade for decades, and never sobbed once. I think it would be it would be a much more beautiful ending if he took a Jiraiya, but we've already seen that. I want someone to finally get the family life a shinobi deserves, they always die you know..

Edited by sushi., 04 March 2013 - 11:13 PM.

[Gravenimage]

All this stuff about naruto movin on is just real life nonsense. The manga has developed narutos love for sakura and sakura started changing her feelings from sasuke to naruto during the whole series. So there is no point in naruto moving on. It doesnt make sense for the story to show naruto moving on, when kishi developed this pairing that much.

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[Sojobo]

This^

Yup,
If Kishimoto wanted to pair Naruto with Hinata, he would have devellop their relationship during the whole series, not just in the end. He would create ambiguity in Naruto's feelings and devellop de changing. (not just one sided)

BUT...
Naruto never doubt about his feelings in the whole story, even now.



For Sakura, she was asking herself the question "what is that feeling" IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MANGA.
Later, we have Yamato's speech, and even Sai before, who's saying that he read something in a book that he didn't understand.
Databook explains us a lot too.
So...

Why insist on that ?
Why would Kishi does all of this if in the end, we have SS & NH ?
This won't make sense.

Edited by Sojobo, 05 March 2013 - 12:07 AM.

[soraandven]

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[Awes9]

If Naruto gives up on Sakura wouldn't that imply Sakura is not worth it ? Wouldn't that imply his feelings for Sakura are negative ? Yet the manga shows none of that in the contrary Naruto's feelings have been depicted as selfless and a positive trait of his character, so why would Naruto would give up or move on ? From a real life standpoint I can understand, but in the manga it wouldn't fit at all and completely goes against the character and the themes.

[Don-kun]

Could not agree any more with these two replies, the argument is so bad that is not even funny and the sad part is that the argument is not coming from a NHtard.

Honestly why would Naruto give up on someone that is gating closer to him, wants to support him and stand by his side no matter what? Isn't Naruto the character who never gives up or go back on his words?
Even Naruto said that he feels that him and Sakura are gating closer and that makes him happy and we all know that he is the one who influence others to change not the other way around.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 March 2013 - 02:08 AM.

[kirabook]

I think you're exaggerating. Maybe I'm blind, but no one here is arguing that Naruto is absolutely going to give up on Sakura. All I see is speculation. Is speculation bad now?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

The problem I have with this "Naruto will give up and move on from Sakura" is that so far, it's unrealistic. Forget it going against his entire characterization, it's a lot more than that. If we remember correctly, Naruto was still in love with Sakura during her confession to him. At that point, he did not second guess his own feelings for her or initially look like he did not want her to feel like that. It was not his feelings he was questioning, it was hers. This reinforced even more so by the complete lack of a Hinata panel that could prove to us the "Naruto is conflicted or confused over what he feels for Hinata" argument. And very plainly, he proved he takes his feelings a lot more seriously than it would seem. It was obvious when he kept telling her that saying something like this was not funny to him, he even called it a joke. Twice. The 2nd time with actual anger instead of passive hurt. And that second display of anger was very clearly because he felt like she was baiting him by telling him something he would want to hear, that's why he physically pushed her off him (Ironically, right when Sakura was saying "It's true. From the bottom of my heart ... I ...") He didn't like it, it was confusing and hurtful to him.

Now, of course his anger was for many, many reasons in that situation. Seeing Sakura give up on Sasuke was almost to a betrayal to him because Naruto believed he would always have her to still believe in Sasuke when no one else did, just plain lying to herself and trying to act like she felt nothing for Sasuke anymore, and one of the most painful (Besides trying to give up on Sasuke) was that he felt like she was lying about loving him. However, I specifically say you know the 3rd reason I listed was apparent in that second Hug scene.

Why is this so important? This was the last obvious indirect confirmation that Naruto does love Sakura. And it still stands as of now. His feelings have not changed at all for her, you can't get over love as pure and genuine as his this damn quickly. Look at Sakura with Sasuke for instance, it still hasn't disapeared despite all logical reasoning saying she should by now. The Kage Summit was what a week ago? Two or three at most? Naruto is not that fickle in his affections, he's always consistent. And not forgiving her enough to still love her? Makes no sense at all, based on Naruto's character. Yeah, I won't deny that he was hurting during 469-470, it was extremely obvious. But he's forgiven Sasuke for worse and still loves him as much as he ever did. Top that off with Sai saying she was only thinking about him, of course he would forgive her and still love her.

It's because of this timeline that I cannot see Naruto having already dropped his feelings. In a logical standpoint, no matter what Hinata did in 615, you can't fall out of love with someone in the course of such a short time frame. People keep forgetting this, I tell the NH fans this all the time.

Naruto's love is there for a reason, especially since he has shown no serious romantic interest in anyone else and has loved her for the whole series thus far. This alone almost kills NH. It's too late for Kishimoto to realistically write this without not only breaking character, but breaking logic. It's terrible writing at it's finest. Fortunately, my faith in Kishi has not diminished that badly, I still don't see him stopping that low.

This is why Naruto is still in love with Sakura and will stay in love with Sakura.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 05 March 2013 - 02:39 AM.

[AzureWaters]

Some of you need to calm down. I did not say that Naruto would absolutely move past Sakura, but only that I think its not an impossible scenario as the majority of you guys believe (which is fine as I have a different perspective on some things). If you believe the opposite then nothings wrong with it, but I wish you could be more accepting of separate views here instead of behaving as if its the greatest insult to even utter the idea of Naruto liking someone beside Sakura. Really now. -__-

[Baguette]

@AzureWaters
Kirabook said something along the same lines just before.
And I think you brought up an argument that some of the people on this site have refuted more than a few times. It gets kinda frustrating for them after a while, you know?

Edited by Baguette, 05 March 2013 - 03:06 AM.

[AzureWaters]

@AzureWaters
Kirabook said something along the same lines just before.
And I think you brought up an argument that some of the people on this site have refuted more than a few times. It gets kinda tiring after a while, you know?

She did but as I'm the one they are having these reactions towards I should be able to respond shouldn't I?

And this is a debate thread apparently. Yet all I see is everyone patting one another on the back and not really bringing up other sides of arguments. I think many arguments on here have been repeated for discussion, but going by the replies there hasn't been a lot of disagreeing. My perspective at least brings something new to discuss. I don't see what's wrong with it beyond a few getting themselves worked up because my view disagrees with theirs.

Edited by AzureWaters, 05 March 2013 - 03:16 AM.

[Baguette]

Well, you have to remember that this is a site dedicated to NaruSaku. Members here generally share similar views with one another.
But yes I agree, a dissenting opinion among the crowd is good for a debate thread.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Some of you need to calm down. I did not say that Naruto would absolutely move past Sakura, but only that I think its not an impossible scenario as the majority of you guys believe (which is fine as I have a different perspective on some things). If you believe the opposite then nothings wrong with it, but I wish you could be more accepting of separate views here instead of behaving as if its the greatest insult to even utter the idea of Naruto liking someone beside Sakura. Really now. -__-

Sorry if that's how I took it on you. It's just that to be honest, I'm at the peak where I'm really bothered that out of all people who has to change, it's Naruto. I already state my reasons, so I don't want to go further. As a general fan, it's really insulting to the writing. I understand that it's not so safe yet but that's the problem, the only way to make NH/SS work is really betraying the story completely. I know you know well aware that out of all pairings, NS got little-to-no damage to the overall.

Again, I apologize if we went head on, especially me because of what I just said. Also, just me, I do feel like people are placing her on a pedestal. Honestly, I don't know how and why. It's probably the mental image of the recent event that really makes Hinata seems like she appeared more than Shikamaru in Immortal Arc, which is not true of course. But I won't argue. It's opinions so I can't change them.

[AzureWaters]

Sorry if that's how I took it on you. It's just that to be honest, I'm at the peak where I'm really bothered that out of all people who has to change, it's Naruto. I already state my reasons, so I don't want to go further. As a general fan, it's really insulting to the writing. I understand that it's not so safe yet but that's the problem, the only way to make NH/SS work is really betraying the story completely. I know you know well aware that out of all pairings, NS got little-to-no damage to the overall.

Again, I apologize if we went head on, especially me because of what I just said. Also, just me, I do feel like people are placing her on a pedestal. Honestly, I don't know how and why. It's probably the mental image of the recent event that really makes Hinata seems like she appeared more than Shikamaru in Immortal Arc, which is not true of course. But I won't argue. It's opinions so I can't change them.

Generally Shounen Heros do play into the cliche; happy ending and getting the girl. Yet there's been a few things I've seen from Kishimoto that make me think he may wind up being a bit original. Disregarding this arc, even 469 and the Sakura fiasco is not something you would normally see out of the main heroine when it came to these types of stories. She should not have such a strong romantic interest to the Anti-Hero this late in the game, and not being genuine during a confession to the Hero is a first. Hinata herself should not be relevant to Naruto in the instances of protecting him from the major villains, especially when she has feelings for him. It makes her come off as a second love interest, and if the manga's going to start being serious about NaruSaku soon, these instances of portraying deep emotion between the other pairings should be nonexistent. Perhaps Kishi just likes the suspense, but I think he's been going too far lately, if he's not being serious about this.


I see much more merit with NaruSaku- I like how easy going the two are together, and it could have been an easy relationship to get started, especially in the beginning of part 2. I felt like Kishi ruined that by Kage Summit: reinforcing Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and all the drama that came with it. Now a few things have to be resolved when before there was no need. NaruSaku right now is not a 'negative' pairing, but it would take a bit of effort on Kishi's part to make it look natural after what he did in recent years. NH would be more forced, but my issue is is that I definitely see it being forced right now. I'm not sure what the plans are for SasuSaku but I don't think its really dead yet. If nothing else Sakura --> Sasuke has had a lot of attention so far and I think the pairing will at least be brought up again, although whether for its benefit or not I'm not sure.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Generally Shounen Heros do play into the cliche; happy ending and getting the girl. Yet there's been a few things I've seen from Kishimoto that make me think he may wind up being a bit original. Disregarding this arc, even 469 and the Sakura fiasco is not something you would normally see out of the main heroine when it came to these types of stories. She should not have such a strong romantic interest to the Anti-Hero this late in the game, and not being genuine during a confession to the Hero is a first. Hinata herself should not be relevant to Naruto in the instances of protecting him from the major villains, especially when she has feelings for him. It makes her come off as a second love interest, and if the manga's going to start being serious about NaruSaku soon, these instances of portraying deep emotion between the other pairings should be nonexistent. Perhaps Kishi just likes the suspense, but I think he's been going too far lately, if he's not being serious about this.


I see much more merit with NaruSaku- I like how easy going the two are together, and it could have been an easy relationship to get started, especially in the beginning of part 2. I felt like Kishi ruined that by Kage Summit: reinforcing Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and all the drama that came with it. Now a few things have to be resolved when before there was no need. NaruSaku right now is not a 'negative' pairing, but it would take a bit of effort on Kishi's part to make it look natural after what he did in recent years. NH would be more forced, but my issue is is that I definitely see it being forced right now. I'm not sure what the plans are for SasuSaku but I don't think its really dead yet. If nothing else Sakura --> Sasuke has had a lot of attention so far and I think the pairing will at least be brought up again, although whether for its benefit or not I'm not sure.

I do appreciate Kishi to go deeper into the characters, which is not usually normal for Shounen as he adds dramas and suspense. However, that doesn't mean he will be all original and go different direction. It's more like "Well I didn't think I will get this much info, but here I am." The part of me really loves NaruSaku because it's the fact Kishi goes deep with this pairing. Remember that chapter where Ebisu described the changes that the village had about Naruto overtime? That's what we see in Sakura for Naruto. Every passing arcs, you see how different she interacted with him as well as her thoughts. When the manga started, she doesn't have a good mind on Naruto. When he did something good, she was impressed because she was wrong. Then after Zabuza's first fight, she couldn't believe it but she did notice that Naruto was impressive back then. I can go on but basically, you can really see the evolution.

I see that Kishi is in fact doing the usual route of a Shounen, but it's the fact that he goes in-depth is what makes it different from many others. It's like a movie. You may see the premise a dozen of times, but it's the storyboard that will make it or break it. How to Train Your Dragon is one of the better example of this. The story and character is something you have seen many times, but it works so well in there because of how it all handles. Basically, in reality, to me, Naruto is no different from your usual manga. You don't have to agree with me, nor I am trying to bash you, but this is just me expressing my thoughts.

Oh, and I do believe Kishi is only going for suspense. Tobi anyone? That's all.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 March 2013 - 04:09 AM.

[Don-kun]

I think you're exaggerating. Maybe I'm blind, but no one here is arguing that Naruto is absolutely going to give up on Sakura. All I see is speculation. Is speculation bad now?

Kira you should go over the forum to see for your self that I'm not exaggerating since this is going on for a good while that even redragon88 needed to make a wall post about this same topic, also the pro NH discussion is not only here is going on in the RTN thread and sometimes Naruto Chronicles ass well.

@AzureWaters
Kirabook said something along the same lines just before.
And I think you brought up an argument that some of the people on this site have refuted more than a few times. It gets kinda frustrating for them after a while, you know?

I agree with you and I see it more like, it's time to get out the wardrobe and start being honest with yourself and the member around you, in other words I believe in NS so much that I don't see the point in trying to make argument 85% time or maybe less or perhaps more that favors NH or SS if I don't care or ship those pairings.


Honestly I don't see the point in that for the sake of debate thing, arguing about NS chances maybe being diminish is OK basing on the resent event but sounding pro towards something else when you are not from that side and most of the users here discuss about NS the most, seems kind of odd if you ask me.

Anyway let me stop here since everyone is free to do what they want.

Edited by Don-kun, 05 March 2013 - 04:14 AM.

[rocci]

Generally Shounen Heros do play into the cliche; happy ending and getting the girl. Yet there's been a few things I've seen from Kishimoto that make me think he may wind up being a bit original. Disregarding this arc, even 469 and the Sakura fiasco is not something you would normally see out of the main heroine when it came to these types of stories. She should not have such a strong romantic interest to the Anti-Hero this late in the game, and not being genuine during a confession to the Hero is a first. Hinata herself should not be relevant to Naruto in the instances of protecting him from the major villains, especially when she has feelings for him. It makes her come off as a second love interest, and if the manga's going to start being serious about NaruSaku soon, these instances of portraying deep emotion between the other pairings should be nonexistent. Perhaps Kishi just likes the suspense, but I think he's been going too far lately, if he's not being serious about this.


I see much more merit with NaruSaku- I like how easy going the two are together, and it could have been an easy relationship to get started, especially in the beginning of part 2. I felt like Kishi ruined that by Kage Summit: reinforcing Sakura's feelings for Sasuke and all the drama that came with it. Now a few things have to be resolved when before there was no need. NaruSaku right now is not a 'negative' pairing, but it would take a bit of effort on Kishi's part to make it look natural after what he did in recent years. NH would be more forced, but my issue is is that I definitely see it being forced right now. I'm not sure what the plans are for SasuSaku but I don't think its really dead yet. If nothing else Sakura --> Sasuke has had a lot of attention so far and I think the pairing will at least be brought up again, although whether for its benefit or not I'm not sure.

there is a reason that tobi identity is obito. and there is a reason that many fans hate it especially when your reasonning to do evil because your girlfriend died. and look at now who are those two poor boys love? a medic who in love with another genius teammate. so i belive sakura will get her shine moment more than hinata because sakura will be a key for naruto to tnj obito. and if the one who do that is hinata than i will quit this manga.


oh many says that the redeem sasuke means SS. i disagree, sasuke will pull kakashi in kakashi gaiden. in other word rejection and tell sakura that naruto always love him and he always treat her like trash.

[Baguette]

oh many says that the redeem sasuke means SS. i disagree, sasuke will pull kakashi in kakashi gaiden. in other word rejection and tell sakura that naruto always love him and he always treat her like trash.

I have to disagree strongly with this part. I would much rather that Sakura comes to realize her love for Naruto by herself, rather than having Sasuke be the one to tell and convince her about it.

Edited by Baguette, 05 March 2013 - 04:19 AM.