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[AnimeGirl_123]

Definitely Kishi's assistant. Has been confirmed to be the real deal by multiple trust worthy sources already and Kubo Tite (Bleach creator) follows him/her (link_papa). 

 

Well honestly even if it is pretty unprofessional to say something like that, he/she is also human.  link_papa was harassed alot by fellow NS fans on twitter to the point he/she had to tweet in English twice to accept that Kishi is the creator.  =/ I saw it with my own eyes, the amount of NS tweets Kishi's assistant got.

 

Although Sakura showed signs of moving onto Naruto.. how could he/she think we questioned her feelings for Sasuke? Meh.

 

By the way, Kishi's assistant also mentions Naruto and Sakura here too

 

ダイレクトメッセージで、ちと笑ってしまったのが、猫、猫、猫、猫、ナルト、サクラ、ナルトとサクラ、ナルトとサクラ、ナルトとサクラ、と画像貼ってあった時は 吹いた(^_^;) 好きなんだろうなー

https://twitter.com/...845516087144448

 

Not sure what it means though~

Edited by AnimeGirl_123, 17 November 2014 - 07:37 AM.

[Princess Iris]

Hinata's really cute..I cant deny this. >.< I don't blame her I blame Kishimoto for throwing Sakura's development down the drain.

well even my puppy is CUTE! !


Cuteness is something that shouldn't matter actually


tbh, her character was good in part 1 but part 2, for her, was really degrading
cuz the Hinata who wanted to be stronger in part 1 wanted to be Naruto's on part 2 .i.e She became more of a pairing fodder

[Michi]

wtf, I just saw he just followed a narusaku fan page.

HE NEEDS TO STOP. LOL

[Tiller]

I just meant that Hinata's "weirdo" shy persona is charming in a sort of twisted way. XD
She's a very pitiful character with her family issues and hopeless love for Naruto...you can't help rooting for the underdog.
I just hate how 90% of her fandom bashes Sakura. >.> I think it's because Sakura's the opposite of that character--the loud confident "cheerleader" type that most insecure people resent.

I don't like her cause of the reasons you admire her. For me she's just a bad character... she's kind of wish fulfillment for beta males. She's from an important family, a powerful one at that, she's loves you and only you, thinks about nothing but you, wants nothing in life but you, later on gets a huge upgrade with her breast, and she'd never dream of questioning or criticizing you, whatever your like she loves you completely and won't get mad for more then a coupe of seconds. No matter what she will be there for you, she will never challenge you, and she will always let you do what you want.

 

The most she will do is question you slowly. "You..... you..... sure... that's wise... NARUTO-KUN?"

 

I used to think much better of Sakura and Ino honestly because of that, until this last 2 chapters anyway. Seeing the panel where Sakura talk to Sasuke like she was a 6 year old asking Daddy if they could go see the Dogs in the park, with that whole

 

"....Maybe... you.... wouldn't... mind... if I come with you... Sasuke-KUUUNNN?"

 

Jesus Christ. So your just going to forgive him "Sorry for what?" and once again abandon your friends and family to walk around with this asshat? And how did you come back to his side? What gut wrenching speech did he give you?

 

"Yeah... Sorry."

 

Good God. Where have all the Lois Lane's Gone?!?! That's what I used to like about Sakura, she wasn't the stuttering woman who talked like she was a little girl around the guy she liked. She actually acted normal, stood up for herself, and... well as we would later find out was a lot like Naruto's Mother. Not that, that matters anymore of course.

 

Sorry kinda made myself depressed thinking of this crap again. All we can do is laugh now.

 

People saying part 1 Hinata is more interesting I agree with as well. At least then she made hints that she'd stand up for herself. Sad thing is though I thing she'd just wilt like a daisy if Naruto told her to be quite. Sakura could deck him or tell him off. :lmao

Edited by Tiller, 17 November 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

well even my puppy is CUTE! !


Cuteness is something that shouldn't matter actually


tbh, her character was good in part 1 but part 2, for her, was really degrading
cuz the Hinata who wanted to be stronger in part 1 wanted to be Naruto's on part 2 .i.e She became more of a pairing fodder

Dude I'm just saying Hinata is cute. NaruSaku is my OTP but I still like Hinata as a character.
But I am disgusted with how overrated she's become with the movie ending etc. It isn't fair to Sakura and you're right--simple cuteness doesn't surpass real accomplishments and feats like Sakura has demonstrated all through out the series.
If antone should've gotten a movie about them it should've been Sakura. I can't believe the shy stuttering Hinata was first on the list. >.> Just shows the double standards and bias in the studio and it is very angering.

[Atheck]

wtf, I just saw he just followed a narusaku fan page.

HE NEEDS TO STOP. LOL

 

How idiotic can one man be? By putting himself out there with a group as disgruntled as the NS fanbase which he's been taking pot shots at with his tweets, he's foregone the right to not have criticism directed towards him.

[rinali24]

 

 

 

Again, NaruSaku fans/believers didn't understand.

Were they completely ignoring Sakura's feelings?

The one who still love/has feelings the most with all her heart despite having been betrayed is Sakura, I'm sure she'll be happy. Are those feelings so hard to understand? 

 

 

link_papa makes me want to punch him so hard. People who thought NS was endgame or supports NS and read the asspull that is chapters 699-700 deserve to ask him all the questions they have. I don't condone the harassment tweets but he's a professional. IGNORE THEM. Instead, he chooses to alienate half of the fandom by saying we don't understand what we're reading LMAO. For fck's sakes, it's not only the NS fans who believed they would be canon, neutral fans also thought so too. So I guess not only is he belittling the NS fandom, he's also belittling anyone who thought NS would be canon. 

 

Are Naruto's feelings so hard to understand?? Oh wait, I guess Naruto's love for Sakura was just a childhood crush but Sakura's childhood crush on Sasuke is real love. 

 

He keeps telling us that Kishi is the creator.. yet all these people do is meddle meddle meddle. If he's truly the creator, then let him write the story the way HE envisioned. Instead, we have these Hinata fanboy assistants of his meddling in and we have Hinata fanboys SP meddling. 

[Aizen-Sama]

wtf, I just saw he just followed a narusaku fan page.

HE NEEDS TO STOP. LOL

Is he trying to make peace with NS fans or something? Lol

[Atheck]

Is he trying to make peace with NS fans or something? Lol

 

Good luck with that you irritating, deluded assistant. It was one thing for the NS fans to endure the chapters themselves. But now he's rubbing salt into our words by questioning Sakura's heroine status and undermining our comprehension of the manga. These empty words he's using to try and assuage our hurt is only going to distance them further from acknowledging or respecting anything that he has to say. 

[Tiller]

Why did Kishimoto "completely ignore" the fact that he has set up the positive representation of an abusive relationship. Where literally the entirety of part two except the final two chapters had Sasuke abusing Sakura physically, emotnally, and verbally. The SOB mentally tortured her a few hours before she goes ga ga over him again! I thought at the time, well good that will stop that stupid second confession nonsense, she will wake up and realize he is a monster......... nope.

 

Note to self:

 

*stop reading tweets by Japanese assistants.*

[Aizen-Sama]

Why did Kishimoto "completely ignore" the fact that he has set up the positive representation of an abusive relationship. Where literally the entirety of part two except the final two chapters had Sasuke abusing Sakura physically, emotnally, and verbally. The SOB mentally tortured her a few hours before she goes ga ga over him again! I thought at the time, well good that will stop that stupid second confession nonsense, she will wake up and realize he is a monster......... nope.
 
Note to self:
 
*stop reading tweets by Japanese assistants.*

Yeah he's all "Is Sakura's love so hard to understand?"
We should be like "Is Sasuke's abuse of Sakura so hard to understand?"
Lol him and Kikitten really don't care about the realism of the story or that Sasuke treats Sakura like kitten or that Naruto loves her and would logically be a healthier guy for her.
They just don't give a kitten. True unconditional twisted love conquers all!

[Michi]

Note to self:
 
*stop reading tweets by Japanese assistants.*

Seriously.

All it does is cause people to stir up.

especially that linkpapa-potatoe or whatever the kitten his name is.

but mostly, he just pisses me off with his idiotic tweets. & I get major anxiety by him. ...don't know why. lol

I need to see a psychologist after all this.

[Alessa]

 

And the tweet in which Kishimoto's assistant criticize NS fans: 

 

Again, NaruSaku fans/believers didn't understand.

Were they completely ignoring Sakura's feelings?

The one who still love/has feelings the most with all her heart despite having been betrayed is Sakura, I'm sure she'll be happy. Are those feelings so hard to understand? 

 

Well, unfortunately I only see cultural differences. I don't know why SS is popular in the west, but I sure am not surprised that SS is the biggest ship in Japan. I've seen way too many shojo mangas that portrayed abusive horrible relationships as something beautiful. Choosing the one male who is dark and troubled (and doesn't show his feelings at all) despite all the pain he puts you through is considered so poetic. Love that is honed by suffering is the strongest love they say (If Sakura could be even more abusive to Naruto, they could have had an upper-hand over SS).

But what can you expect from the culture with busido and seppuku traditions (where suffering and self-harm were considered honorable and lyrcal for centuries).

 

That is why I just don't believe there is a possibility for our arguments to reach Japanese creators (Kishi, SP, assistants, etc). They actually see what they see, they don't feel there are any contradictions and asspulls. They just decided to canonize one solid pairing over the other. SS doesn't have any dark undertones from their perspective and that perspective is honest. Nothing we say can change that perspective, because in their culture hurt and suffering are still a noble thing. We need to accept that we are reading a Japanese manga, so SS is not horrible, is not illogical, is not immoral.  At least as long as we stay on the ground of deducing author's intentions.

Edited by Alessa, 17 November 2014 - 08:31 AM.

[Elicit]

Kishimoto is so kittening stupid that he did not bother to put an NS resolution in the manga. That would have made things a lot better for the NS fandom.

Seriously though, why the hell does Sakura, a student of Tsunade, a member of Team 7, Naruto's original love interest who he has loved and protected, and who is much stronger than Hinata not get treated as a heroine? Probably because Kishimoto wanted to appeal to the rabid Hinata fandom who wank a mentally deranged moe character that is nothing but pairing fodder. No other kittening mangaka would do this.

Edited by Elicit, 17 November 2014 - 08:40 AM.

[Askia31]

is that tweet even real anyways? I went to his twitter and couldn't see that tweet, oh well. I don't think he would directly mention the NS fans too LOL. smells like bs to me.

[Tiller]

Well, unfortunately I only see cultural differences. I don't know why SS is popular in the west, but I sure am not surprised that SS is the biggest ship in Japan. I've seen way too many shojo mangas that portrayed abusive horrible relationships as something beautiful. Choosing the one male who is dark and troubled (and doesn't show his feelings at all) despite all the pain he puts you through is considered so poetic. Love that is honed by suffering is the strongest love they say (If Sakura could be even more abusive to Naruto, they could have had an upper-hand over SS).

But what can you expect from the culture with busido and seppuku traditions (where suffering and self-harm were considered honorable and lyrcal for centuries).

 

That is why I just don't believe there is a possibility for our arguments to reach Japanese creators (Kishi, SP, assistants, etc). They actually see what they see, they don't feel there are any contradictions and asspulls. They just decided to canonize one solid pairing over the other. SS doesn't have any dark undertones from their perspective and that perspective is honest. Nothing we say can change that perspective, because in their culture hurt and suffering are still a noble thing. We need to accept that we are reading a Japanese manga, so SS is not horrible, is not illogical, is not immoral.  At least as long as we stay on the ground of deducing author's intentions.

In the words of Japanese creation Revy from Black Lagoon:

 

"kitten that!"

 

I'm a proud western imperialist in this case. Although I'm willing to give the whole "it's canon" thing an acknowledgement, that doesn't make SS any less horrible,illogical, or immoral. I'm an American and have no problem having the negative and few positive stereotypes connected with that fact. I don't care if they have a thousand year tradition of abusing their women, here in the US by our standards it's bullsh**.

 

Which really is what bothers me about the fans of SS here in the west. This whole "got to save the hot guy who's throwing a hissy fit" thing is not something I understand. Sasuke reminds me of Holden Caulfield, people talk about how "deep" of a character he is. Well he isn't he's a spoiled brat who allowed himself to be consumed by hatred. This story should have been about the danger of such feelings, how they corrupt your soul, ruin your life, and how in the end you paying the price for the pain you have caused others.The villain shouldn't be rewarded by getting the God damn girl!

 

*takes deep breath*

 

Stupid Japanese assistant tweets.

Edited by Tiller, 17 November 2014 - 08:47 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

Yeah Sasuke should've been the tragic rival/best friend who got what he deserved. Instead he remained as the revered "anti hero" (anti hero lol...Sasuke is the furthest thing from that) who still found love through Sakura... *dreamy sigh*
What a kittened up manga.

[Elicit]

I would tolerate SS more if it wasn't a thematic failure. What the hell did Sakura do to aid in Sasuke's redemption? In these type of stories where the "hot guy throws a hissy fit" the girl's love is supposed to contribute in some way to the guy's redemption. This is main reason why I didn't think it would happen, and NS was obvious.

Naruto was supposed to win the girl's love through his efforts and sink the thematic failure of a ship.

Edited by Elicit, 17 November 2014 - 09:06 AM.

[Tiller]

I would tolerate SS more if it wasn't a thematic failure. What the hell did Sakura do to aid in Sasuke's redemption? In these type of stories where the "hot guy throws a hissy fit" the girl's love is supposed to contribute in some way to the guy's redemption. This is main reason why I didn't think it would happen, and NS was obvious.

What I love about early part 2 is it's obvious that Naruto and Sakura are really doing it as much for each other as they are for just bringing back Sasuke. They both talk about doing it for each other and for the other not to push it to much, they worry and care about each other.

 

 

Not that Kishi remember any of this anymore obviously. Or his stupid "assistant".

 

 

 

This story really starts going bad when Sasuke comes back, and goes south fast after the Pain Arc.

Edited by Tiller, 17 November 2014 - 09:10 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

Guys...this is the same guy who tried to whitewash Itachi as a "hero" because he murdered his entire family.
We shouldn't expect anything less than retarded logic and justifying evil when it comes to morals in Naruto.