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[luffyq1]

I remember one argument where someone said that Naruto is doing the oppoisite of what his mother advised him to do. Yet they ignore the fact that following after that chapter he goes on to say that he's already doing the things that she advises, and the things that she advised him to do that he isn't doing right now he will do soon as he stated. It's even worse because Kishi intentionally left out the girl part of Kushina's advise because it would have lead him to say that he is/will accomplish it like he did the previous advises.

[HauntedCake]

I know. I mentioned it in a post above.

The japanese dub was kept accurate with the "Don't fall for a weird one", but the english was changed to "Don't fall for the first girl that comes your way".

"Comes your way".....

Whoa whoa whoa .. hold on. I thought she said "Find someone like me"?

[PhenixElite]

He will always have that feeling. It just that we need one more confirmation. Honestly, one more time will kill any chance for anything. You know, if he did change feelings, you would assume the ending would be different, despite being the fact it's made up. Either way, they could have shift focus, but they didn't. So, what is it that people are missing?

I think we wont get a confirmation too soon because it would kill NH instantly. I guess it will be later. Also i think that we dont need that confirmation since kishi told us about 100 times during the manga how naruto feels. Till now theres nothing that would suggest that he changed.

[soraandven]

she said that after she said don't fall for the first girl that comes your way

[PhenixElite]

she said that after she said don't fall for the first girl that comes your way

Ive also read the manga chapter in german, and it says (translated in english): Dont try to pick someone random, try to find someone whos exactly like you mother.

[AzureWaters]

He will always have that feeling. It just that we need one more confirmation. Honestly, one more time will kill any chance for anything. You know, if he did change feelings, you would assume the ending would be different, despite being the fact it's made up. Either way, they could have shift focus, but they didn't. So, what is it that people are missing?

So you're saying that Kishimoto hasn't reinforced Naruto's feelings for Sakura in the current arc because that would kill the other pairings (or just make NaruSaku obvious)


I can't agree with that fully. Yes, Naruto being concrete about how he feels for Sakura would clarify that he isn't having any second thoughts, but it isn't like the manga's in its beginning or even middle stages. By now the final pairing should be getting focus, and Kishi shouldn't be troubling himself over not 'killing' the other pairs. I doubt he even thinks of it that way or gives much of a care about fandom sensibility. He should be reinforcing Naruto's feelings at this stage, not avoiding it for whatever silly reason.

Edited by AzureWaters, 04 March 2013 - 10:07 PM.

[luffyq1]

So you're saying that Kishimoto hasn't reinforced Naruto's feelings for Sakura in the current arc because that would kill the other pairings (or just make NaruSaku obvious)


I can't agree with that fully. Yes, Naruto being concrete about how he feels for Sakura would clarify that he isn't having any second thoughts, but it isn't like the manga's in its beginning or even middle stages. By now the final pairing should be getting focus, and Kishi shouldn't be troubling himself over not 'killing' the other pairs. I doubt he even thinks of it that way or gives much of a care about fandom sensibility. He should be reinforcing Naruto's feelings at this stage, not avoiding it for whatever silly reason.

Please keep in mind that Naruto doesn't change.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So you're saying that Kishimoto hasn't reinforced Naruto's feelings for Sakura in the current arc because that would kill the other pairings (or just make NaruSaku obvious)


I can't agree with that fully. Yes, Naruto being concrete about how he feels for Sakura would clarify that he isn't having any second thoughts, but it isn't like the manga's in its beginning or even middle stages. By now the final pairing should be getting focus, and Kishi shouldn't be troubling himself over not 'killing' the other pairs. I doubt he even thinks of it that way or gives much of a care about fandom sensibility. He should be reinforcing Naruto's feelings at this stage, not avoiding it for whatever silly reason.

What I'm saying is that the fans are easily assuming that Naruto has moved on. Why? Because he doesn't bring it up 24/7. I wouldn't even support his love if it was like that. That's why bringing it back will hurt the fans a lot because again, they assumed or even declared that he has moved on. I mean we fell for it too with Sakura but it has a good note on it. People fell for it when Naruto was caught by Sai being in love with Sakura. That hurt the fandom. Now that we are in this phase, where NH got the upper hand, agree or disagree. It's all about the last laugh and honestly, we only made it in the middle. Gee, does that sounds familiar? Also, Kishi doesn't let them change his mind. The thing is Kishi knows the main plot point, just not how to get there, which is hard. For example, say my intention is to have Naruto vs. Obito, while Madara is being occupied by others. My main plot point is Sakura/Rin parallel, Kakashi's talk, and the combat of the battle. But I forgot one thing: others. How can I make them get into this part that is valid yet not invading my main point. I will have them talk about this and that. It's like in video games, you want to tell a story, but don't forget the gameplay and how to get to that checkpoint. That's Kishi.

Also, that's just it. We're closing the end, so why not give others one more good deed. People often forget that the battle isn't over. If it was, alright, you have the right to say as well as I have to agree. But it's not done. We are now going into a boss fight. We don't know what's next but it will be crucial.

[AzureWaters]

Please keep in mind that Naruto doesn't change.

I don't think pairings really fit with that. The never giving up thing concerns his strength as a character to overcome obstacles rather than always being a lonely sod over some girl. If Sakura never shows signs of reciprocating, he shouldn't have to be forever alone. Its possible for Naruto to move onto someone else eventually, although I hope it doesn't come to that.

[六道仙人]

I remember one argument where someone said that Naruto is doing the oppoisite of what his mother advised him to do. Yet they ignore the fact that following after that chapter he goes on to say that he's already doing the things that she advises, and the things that she advised him to do that he isn't doing right now he will do soon as he stated. It's even worse because Kishi intentionally left out the girl part of Kushina's advise because it would have lead him to say that he is/will accomplish it like he did the previous advises.

Naruto is a such mama's boy, isn't?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think pairings really fit with that. The never giving up thing concerns his strength as a character to overcome obstacles rather than always being a lonely sod over some girl. If Sakura never shows signs of reciprocating, he shouldn't have to be forever alone. Its possible for Naruto to move onto someone else eventually, although I hope it doesn't come to that.

But this is Naruto's story. Who has been changing? Everyone but Naruto. Naruto is about learning and maturing what he already felt. Naruto didn't change himself on Sasuke, because he learns and matures his character to go deeper. That's the same for Sakura. He loves her, but the stuff he could have done would not be in his favor. After all, he could have henge Sasuke again to steal the kiss, lesson learn, stuff can backfire. Maturity is really shown when he saw her hugging Sasuke back in the hospital. He is still mature the fact he always keep his eyes on Sakura being sad and make a sudden move to make her happy again. That's love and selfless. Naruto is about earning what you truly wish but going through real life maturity. Kishi clearly made Naruto as an annoying brat to start off, only to show us we too have to mature in order to get what we wanted. That's why you don't really see those pranks anymore. Again, as many has said, Naruto is a walking device who changes anyone that come across him. That's fact.

[luffyq1]

I don't think pairings really fit with that. The never giving up thing concerns his strength as a character to overcome obstacles rather than always being a lonely sod over some girl. If Sakura never shows signs of reciprocating, he shouldn't have to be forever alone. Its possible for Naruto to move onto someone else eventually, although I hope it doesn't come to that.

Bolded: You've perfectly explained it. When exactly has Naruto not been known to work hard for the things that he wants? Hinata is basically the consolation prize if he decides to give up. You realize just how uncharacteristic that is, right?

[sushi.]

I don't think pairings really fit with that. The never giving up thing concerns his strength as a character to overcome obstacles rather than always being a lonely sod over some girl. If Sakura never shows signs of reciprocating, he shouldn't have to be forever alone. Its possible for Naruto to move onto someone else eventually, although I hope it doesn't come to that.

I think many people are getting the "never give up on Sakura"-argument wrong. Because his goal is not to be her boyfriend, it's to make her happy. I think she would be happier with him than if he's with Hinata though. XD Naruto flat out stated that Sakura was the girl he liked in the first chapters. Naruto can't take his eyes off Sakura, Kurama put it nicely "once he has set his eyes on something, he'll never let it go." That doesn't mean he can't accept that they'll never be together, but he'll always think of her in a romantic light, that's how he's always done. His love for Sakura is already stuck in his head.

Edited by sushi., 04 March 2013 - 10:29 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bolded: You've perfectly explained it. When exactly has Naruto not been known to work hard for the things that he wants? Hinata is basically the consolation prize if he decides to give up. You realize just how uncharacteristic that is, right?

Bingo!

I think many people are getting the "never give up on Sakura"-argument wrong. Because his goal is not to be her boyfriend, it's to make her happy. I think she would be happier with him than if he's with Hinata though. XD Naruto flat out stated that Sakura was the girl he liked in the first chapters. Naruto can't take his eyes off Sakura, Kurama put it nicely "once he has set his eyes on something, he'll never let it go." That doesn't mean he can't accept that they'll never be together, but he'll always think of her in a romantic light, that's how he's always done. His love for Sakura is already stuck in his head.

And when it comes to that storyline, the winner goes to the one who has done the right thing. In this case, Naruto.

[redragon88]

I don't think pairings really fit with that. The never giving up thing concerns his strength as a character to overcome obstacles rather than always being a lonely sod over some girl. If Sakura never shows signs of reciprocating, he shouldn't have to be forever alone. Its possible for Naruto to move onto someone else eventually, although I hope it doesn't come to that.

Jiraiya is not amused.

[luffyq1]

Jiraiya is not amused.

[AzureWaters]

But this is Naruto's story. Who has been changing? Everyone but Naruto. Naruto is about learning and maturing what he already felt. Naruto didn't change himself on Sasuke, because he learns and matures his character to go deeper. That's the same for Sakura. He loves her, but the stuff he could have done would not be in his favor. After all, he could have henge Sasuke again to steal the kiss, lesson learn, stuff can backfire. Maturity is really shown when he saw her hugging Sasuke back in the hospital. He is still mature the fact he always keep his eyes on Sakura being sad and make a sudden move to make her happy again. That's love and selfless. Naruto is about earning what you truly wish but going through real life maturity. Kishi clearly made Naruto as an annoying brat to start off, only to show us we too have to mature in order to get what we wanted. That's why you don't really see those pranks anymore. Again, as many has said, Naruto is a walking device who changes anyone that come across him. That's fact.

Its different. Changing a love interest wouldn't clash with the "never giving up" nindo. Sasuke himself is an obstacle because he's a literal threat to Naruto's home and he denies his bond with him. Their friendship is already something the both of them shared with one another before; it was established in part 1. The situation is not similar to Sakura who is a love interest (deals with romance, not friendship-- it is more complicated) and who he holds one-sided feelings for. Naruto is able to let go without it looking like he "gave up", especially if the cause isn't just "Sakura loves Sasuke" but he himself finding an interest in someone else. Moving on is not the same as giving up.

Bolded: You've perfectly explained it. When exactly has Naruto not been known to work hard for the things that he wants? Hinata is basically the consolation prize if he decides to give up. You realize just how uncharacteristic that is, right?

Giving up implies that he still wants it but is too tired to fight for what is earn-able. If Kishimoto decides to change Naruto's feelings, it won't be depicted in the way your explaining it.

[luffyq1]

Giving up implies that he still wants it but is too tired to fight for what is earn-able. If Kishimoto decides to change Naruto's feelings, it won't be depicted in the way your explaining it.

[HauntedCake]

Its different. Changing a love interest wouldn't clash with the "never giving up" nindo. Sasuke himself is an obstacle because he's a literal threat to Naruto's home and he denies his bond with him. Their friendship is already something the both of them shared with one another before; it was established in part 1. The situation is not similar to Sakura who is a love interest (deals with romance, not friendship-- it is more complicated) and who he holds one-sided feelings for. Naruto is able to let go without it looking like he "gave up", especially if the cause isn't just "Sakura loves Sasuke" but he himself finding an interest in someone else. Moving on is not the same as giving up.






Giving up implies that he still wants it but is too tired to fight for what is earn-able. If Kishimoto decides to change Naruto's feelings, it won't be depicted in the way your explaining it.

Without sounding cheezy, IMO Naruto is on the home stretch of winning Sakura's heart.

Wouldn't him "moving on" from sakura also be equivelent to quitting? The idea that Naruto one day feels that his love will always be one sided, influences a decision to "move on", would also be quitting (giving up on Sakura because of this).

Yes, Naruto can hold feelings for Hinata (even love) and should he decide to act on these feeling of love for Hinata then isn't he going to have to give up on Sakura? (romantically?)

Yes, he can still hold feeling of romance to Sakura but he will have to give up on ever acting on them if he is to persue Hinata. That's the point i think..

Just My opinions anyway... what do you think?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Its different. Changing a love interest wouldn't clash with the "never giving up" nindo. Sasuke himself is an obstacle because he's a literal threat to Naruto's home and he denies his bond with him. Their friendship is already something the both of them shared with one another before; it was established in part 1. The situation is not similar to Sakura who is a love interest (deals with romance, not friendship-- it is more complicated) and who he holds one-sided feelings for. Naruto is able to let go without it looking like he "gave up", especially if the cause isn't just "Sakura loves Sasuke" but he himself finding an interest in someone else. Moving on is not the same as giving up.






Giving up implies that he still wants it but is too tired to fight for what is earn-able. If Kishimoto decides to change Naruto's feelings, it won't be depicted in the way your explaining it.

But now Sakura knows it so she literally knows what Naruto's desire. If he moves on, it does seem like failure. Also, why Jiraiya didn't move on? He may mess with women, but his love never changed. It's like in FT, Gildartz has messed with many women, but he had one true love in his life and sadly, she's dead. Naruto will be this way if he doesn't get her. Again, while it may sound crazy, that's just how Japan sees it, like or not. That's the same thing that happened in Bakuman. The guy's love got married yet continues to love her, that is until his death. Ask yourself, do you really really really think Kishi is making Naruto to lose one thing? Do you? Do you?

Again, it's not about him changing, rather improve yourself to achieve the impossible. Else, shouldn't he not love Sakura anymore? In fact, he's so grown up, instead of blaming Sakura for loving Sasuke, he blames himself about promise. No one may address this but the fact he didn't tell Sai that she loves Sasuke as a reason why he didn't confess yet. That's selfless. To me, I know damn well that any other pairings will destroy the story in many ways.