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[jason voorhees]

im with soupy i don't think sakura will be pregnant till the end if at all.
thats jest me hateing young motherhood as well thow.

i don't know i keep thinking avatar last airbender ending a kiss that would be very nice.

Quinny52@ he and Sasuke understood eachother by using their fists,

Sounds like G gundum all over again

Edited by hypno toad, 15 August 2010 - 10:17 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Sakura will obviously talk to Tsunade about her confession she needs some advice how to handle this situation, she must realize that someone like Naruto wont listen to words but rather action. Everything will probably lead to a kiss that's what I think.

[ciardha]

Anyways, since I don't think Sakura will be getting pregnant right now, I doubt she will be when Naruto fights Sasuke. I think they should actually get together as a couple and date for awhile. Naruto won't get with Sakura until he defeats Sasuke anyways, he has made that much clear.

Actually, that was only because he thought Sakura was still fangirling over Sasuke, part of his crazy and totally unnecessary mental construction connected to the POAL. Now that part is done away with (469-74 accomplished that), plus the other part not connected to romantic feelings sharply altered, and his conversation with his mother plays out in his mind I can easily see a sharp shift. Shonen manga tends to skip lightly and quickly over the whole dating part of the relationship (Kishimoto to a strong degree) and cuts to the serious point- even with Tsunade's flashbacks with Dan, we see their introduction where he ends the evening with a gentle flirtation, then it jumps to where they are a serious couple. Asuma and Kurenai- Kakashi teases them in part 1 about whether they are a couple or not, then we find out when Asuma dies in early part 2 they had married and she was pregnant. Look at Kushina's flashback, their meeting, jumps to a few years later when she develops feelings for him when he rescues her and praises her hair, then jump to years later when she's pregnant.

That's my point, the pattern is there. I might be slightly disappointed if Kishimoto just goes with a quick marriage and a family started, but with 11 years of watching their relationship grow from team mates, to friends, to mutual romantic feelings, I feel like we've gotten much more than any other couple in Kishimoto's manga, even Tsunade and Jiraiya, so if he follows the pattern, I'm cool with it.

Edited by ciardha, 16 August 2010 - 12:42 AM.

[Grace]

Actually, that was only because he thought Sakura was still fangirling over Sasuke, part of his crazy and totally unnecessary mental construction connected to the POAL. Now that part is done away with (469-74 accomplished that), plus the other part not connected to romantic feelings sharply altered, and his conversation with his mother plays out in his mind I can easily see a sharp shift. Shonen manga tends to skip lightly and quickly over the whole dating part of the relationship (Kishimoto to a strong degree) and cuts to the serious point- even with Tsunade's flashbacks with Dan, we see their introduction where he ends the evening with a gentle flirtation, then it jumps to where they are a serious couple. Asuma and Kurenai- Kakashi teases them in part 1 about whether they are a couple or not, then we find out when Asuma dies in early part 2 they had married and she was pregnant. Look at Kushina's flashback, their meeting, jumps to a few years later when she develops feelings for him when he rescues her and praises her hair, then jump to years later when she's pregnant.

That's my point, the pattern is there. I might be slightly disappointed if Kishimoto just goes with a quick marriage and a family started, but with 11 years of watching their relationship grow from team mates, to friends, to mutual romantic feelings, I feel like we've gotten much more than any other couple in Kishimoto's manga, even Tsunade and Jiraiya, so if he follows the pattern, I'm cool with it.

I don't have a solid opinion/prediction on whether Sakura will end up visibly preggers or not, but as to it being a pattern for Kishi to not expand on the dating stages of relationships: wouldn't all of the couples mentioned fall under "not vital enough for us to see"?

For Tsunade and Dan, we didn't need to see how their relationship became serious; we just needed to be shown that it did become a serious relationship in order to better understand Tsunade's pain when he died.
Asuma and Kurenai weren't exactly super important characters in their own right--Asuma's death served mainly as a trigger for Shikamaru's development. The fact that they went from what looked like casual dating in Part 1 to much more intimate relations in Part 2 was brought up only to bring Kurenai's pregnancy into the story to give Shikamaru a new goal (protect/teach the kid) and connect to the theme of the King being the new generations.

*shrug* Not saying I think this means we'll get copious amounts of the dating stage for Naruto and Sakura, but I do think we'll see the plot progress with a bit of their dating included long before we see marriage and kids. Even though we have spent the entire series watching their relationship grow, I think it's because we've been watching it grow that Kishi won't just finally smush them into a relationship and then skip over to them being married. He's spent a lot of time just bringing them together; it'd....flow better if he spent a bit more time showing them growing accustomed to actually being together as a couple, y'know?

[Dreamer]

I wish people would quit saying "I'm with (so and so) on this one". It's like trying to pick sides on a battle or something.

[ahmed]

i want to ask about somthing i cant understand :why Naruto tell now didn't tell Hinata that he didn't love her and he love onther girl

[Dreamer]

i want to ask about somthing i cant understand :why Naruto tell now didn't tell Hinata that he didn't love her and he love onther girl

Well that's what i brought up earlier. Kishi could give at least a flashback of Naruto telling Hinata how he feels for "Hin cough Sakura".

[catsi563]

theres nothing wrong with agreeing with someone who made a good point. I agree with ciardha on her well made one above.

but as to it being a pattern for Kishi to not expand on the dating stages of relationships: wouldn't all of the couples mentioned fall under "not vital enough for us to see"?

perhaps not, but to paraphrase an old axiom. Once is an accident, twice is a red herring, three times is the author telling you something.

as Ciardha said theres a direct pattern, and this pattern of his particular style seems to inidcate an pattern of skipping over the cheese and going directly to the burger.

in this case Naruto and Sakura may be the only couple to directly tell each other that they love each other that actually goes somewhere. So far weve had confessions but all of them have been one sided and resulted in no solid relationship.

[Dreamer]

theres nothing wrong with agreeing with someone who made a good point. I agree with ciardha on her well made one above.

Saying "i agree" is different from "i'm with ????? on this one"

Edited by Uzumakikage, 16 August 2010 - 01:45 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I agree with both ciardha and catsi points out because they have more experience they have read a lot of manga mainly shonen, they are well aware with shounen plotlines and Naruto is no different from any regular shonen.

Edited by Gravenimage, 16 August 2010 - 01:51 AM.

[Grace]

theres nothing wrong with agreeing with someone who made a good point. I agree with ciardha on her well made one above.



perhaps not, but to paraphrase an old axiom. Once is an accident, twice is a red herring, three times is the author telling you something.

as Ciardha said theres a direct pattern, and this pattern of his particular style seems to inidcate an pattern of skipping over the cheese and going directly to the burger.

in this case Naruto and Sakura may be the only couple to directly tell each other that they love each other that actually goes somewhere. So far weve had confessions but all of them have been one sided and resulted in no solid relationship.

While the saying could prove true, I'm still not swayed that the other relationships really indicate what Kishimoto will do with NS. As I pointed out (though I forgot MinaKushi) each of the other couples whose serious relationships we've seen have served a purpose to further the plot in some way--Naruto and Sakura's does obviously tie into the plot, but it does so throughout; it isn't a one-shot thing that will serve as just another plot-point. (.....hopefully.)

(Since I forgot Minato and Kushina....) Again, we didn't need to see their relationship develop through dating. We saw them as children because it related to Naruto's question about how they met and fell in love. We saw them married and expecting a kid 'cause, hell, said kid was the main character and his birth was absolutely vital to the plot.

But again, I'm not saying that he most definitely won't/can't do the same thing with NS; I just think that assuming he may based on previous couples doesn't make sense as those other couples differ greatly from NaruSaku in importance and present build-up.

In the end, we may just have to agree to disagree and see what happens ^^


@Graven-- While shounen do have themes and traits similar from one to the next, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll all go the same way. It's better to anticipate differences rather than assume similarities, y'know?

[Miss Soupy]

Actually, that was only because he thought Sakura was still fangirling over Sasuke, part of his crazy and totally unnecessary mental construction connected to the POAL.

How so? He told Sai the reason he couldn't tell Sakura how he feels is because he can't keep his promises. That promise is not only about Sakura, but about himself being able to bring Sasuke back. He can't fulfill any of his other dreams unless he is able to save Sasuke because he wouldn't feel worthy. That pertains to both being Hokage and being with Sakura. Also, we have sort of writers intention to keep the pairings going until the end of the manga, which I'm guessing is when the final showdown will occur. With both of those factors, I have concluded that Naruto won't finally reveal his feelings to Sakura until the end (because a second party revealing just isn't quite enough), and most likely by then Sakura will have gotten over any lingering feelings of Sasuke, thus making the pairing itself complete.

Edited by Miss Soupy, 16 August 2010 - 02:01 AM.

[K9ofChaos]

I don't have a solid opinion/prediction on whether Sakura will end up visibly preggers or not, but as to it being a pattern for Kishi to not expand on the dating stages of relationships: wouldn't all of the couples mentioned fall under "not vital enough for us to see"?

For Tsunade and Dan, we didn't need to see how their relationship became serious; we just needed to be shown that it did become a serious relationship in order to better understand Tsunade's pain when he died.
Asuma and Kurenai weren't exactly super important characters in their own right--Asuma's death served mainly as a trigger for Shikamaru's development. The fact that they went from what looked like casual dating in Part 1 to much more intimate relations in Part 2 was brought up only to bring Kurenai's pregnancy into the story to give Shikamaru a new goal (protect/teach the kid) and connect to the theme of the King being the new generations.

*shrug* Not saying I think this means we'll get copious amounts of the dating stage for Naruto and Sakura, but I do think we'll see the plot progress with a bit of their dating included long before we see marriage and kids. Even though we have spent the entire series watching their relationship grow, I think it's because we've been watching it grow that Kishi won't just finally smush them into a relationship and then skip over to them being married. He's spent a lot of time just bringing them together; it'd....flow better if he spent a bit more time showing them growing accustomed to actually being together as a couple, y'know?

That's another reason why I keep saying that the series won't end anytime soon. Not only would the war be going on for a while, but Kishi could also show a little bit of their relationship development while dating. I agree with Ciardha but I also agree with Kushina. I'd think in Naruto's and Sakura's case we'd actually see their reletionship develop even further as they become a couple. I'd think that at the end of the manga (or part 2 if there's a part 3) we'd see something similar to Jiraiya's flashback of Minato and Kushina with Kakashi talking to Naruto about something then Sakura walks in all pregnant and whatnot, or it could be a flashback of Kakashi if he's in a battle and if there IS a part 3.


That's my opinion at least.

[ciardha]

perhaps not, but to paraphrase an old axiom. Once is an accident, twice is a red herring, three times is the author telling you something.

as Ciardha said theres a direct pattern, and this pattern of his particular style seems to indicate an pattern of skipping over the cheese and going directly to the burger.

Yeah, I'm more throwing this out as a heads up, not that I'm jumping for joy about it (but nor am I unhappy. I feel kind of neutral, leaning toward feeling mildly positive, if he does because I like the way he writes families, and families to be) but keep it in mind, he could go this route because it's his predominate pattern with any couple that actually got together, there's Mito Uzumaki and Hashirama Senju too, very quickly dealt with, just an outline in their case- but it's the meet, fall in love, immediately get together pattern yet again.

How so? He told Sai the reason he couldn't tell Sakura how he feels is because he can't keep his promises.

And that point is moot once she declares her feelings for Naruto 469 and firmly insists on them in 470. Naruto's own words in 470 back that up, the POAL as far as it concerns him doing anything due to how he thought she felt about Sasuke is gone, over with, kaput. Once Sai clears up Naruto's lingering misconceptions about Sakura's feelings in 474 and Naruto recovers from passing out Naruto is already being more expressive when he rescues Sakura from Sasuke.

While the saying could prove true, I'm still not swayed that the other relationships really indicate what Kishimoto will do with NS. As I pointed out (though I forgot MinaKushi) each of the other couples whose serious relationships we've seen have served a purpose to further the plot in some way--Naruto and Sakura's does obviously tie into the plot, but it does so throughout; it isn't a one-shot thing that will serve as just another plot-point.

Ah but look at Jiraiya and Tsunade, developed over time, but they waited too long to realize they had mutual feelings- Tsunade tried to make a "last minute save" but Jiraiya cut her off with a crass comment before she could get the words all out. Pointing toward him knowing but making the choice to keep up the denial. Their only major mistake with each other was they waited too long... Jiraiya by continuing to act and talk to her in ways he knew would hack her off, then make his come on and going a bit too crude in his phrasing at that, making his fear of rejection a self-fulfilling prophecy, Tsunade in not catching onto Jiraiya's game until too late for them to start a relationship.

And note the issue that's often brought up about how dangerous ninja's lives are, we hear it yet again in recent chapters from Kurenai's father, addressing his then 15 year old daughter...

Edited by ciardha, 16 August 2010 - 03:20 AM.

[jason voorhees]

both Kurenai as well as Kushina were in there uper 20s when they had there children this is what makes me believe there will be a time skip in the end. naruto still has to train more witch means he will probably not see sakura for awile. I also believe naruto will ether lose the kyuubi or fight a tailed beast made out of 8 bujus basically another pain fight before he returns to konaha.

[Grace]

And that point is moot once she declares her feelings for Naruto 469 and firmly insists on them in 470. Naruto's own words in 470 back that up, the POAL as far as it concerns him doing anything due to how he thought she felt about Sasuke is gone, over with, kaput. Once Sai clears up Naruto's lingering misconceptions about Sakura's feelings in 474 and Naruto recovers from passing out Naruto is already being more expressive when he rescues Sakura from Sasuke.

I figured his "it has nothing to do with the promise" comment was solely because he'd come to understand more of Sasuke's motivation and was choosing to continue after him because of that; saying the promise wasn't a huge reason for him anymore isn't the same as saying he's come to think differently about Sakura's reasons for wanting Sasuke back. Though I do agree that he seemed more open once he caught up with her and Kakashi for the Team 7 get-together, showing that he's definitely rethought/is rethinking her current feelings.

Ah but look at Jiraiya and Tsunade, developed over time, but they waited too long to realize they had mutual feelings- Tsunade tried to make a "last minute save" but Jiraiya cut her off with a crass comment before she could get the words all out. Pointing toward him knowing but making the choice to keep up the denial. Their only major mistake with each other was they waited too long... Jiraiya by continuing to act and talk to her in ways he knew would hack her off, then make his come on and going a bit too crude in his phrasing at that, making his fear of rejection a self-fulfilling prophecy, Tsunade in not catching onto Jiraiya's game until too late for them to start a relationship.

And note the issue that's often brought up about how dangerous ninja's lives are, we hear it yet again in recent chapters from Kurenai's father, addressing his then 15 year old daughter...

They developed, yes, but clearly not in the same way Naruto and Sakura have--Jiraiya and Tsunade unfortunately, as you said, took their time about it and never really made it. And while they represent a parallel for Naruto and Sakura to succeed in, they sort of break the pattern you brought up, don't they? I'm not entirely sure why you mention them... ^^;;

As for the "make babehs young 'cause you might die young" thing, that doesn't mean every kunoichi that gets a boyfriend has to hop right into making babies. Kurenai's father's speech to her was more of a....how to say..."backwards foreshadowing" of her pregnancy and how it played into the idea of "next generation=King", wasn't it?


@K9-- That's something I could see happening; bit of them dating here and there, then maybe a glimpse of marriage and kiddies later on. It'd be sweet, full development to bring their relationship full circle--especially in the whole "succeeding the previous generations" thing.

Edited by Kushina, 16 August 2010 - 07:07 AM.

[Davidos]

@K9-- That's something I could see happening; bit of them dating here and there, then maybe a glimpse of marriage and kiddies later on. It'd be sweet, full development to bring their relationship full circle--especially in the whole "succeeding the previous generations" thing.

I hope it goes like that. Would like more story around them then just like scenes where she shows up pregnant. Would be more fun for the fanbase aswell and to the storyline.

[jason voorhees]

Kushina@ I figured his "it has nothing to do with the promise" comment was solely because he'd come to understand more of Sasuke's motivation and was choosing to continue after him because of that; saying the promise wasn't a huge reason for him anymore isn't the same as saying he's come to think differently about Sakura's reasons for wanting Sasuke back

@this is like saying naruto has given up on sakura as well as sakura lying remember how naruto thought about sakura changed shattering his image of her with sakura confession it showed her feelings have/are changing.

[ciardha]

both Kurenai as well as Kushina were in there uper 20s when they had there children this is what makes me believe there will be a time skip in the end.

Kushina and Minato appear to have been about the same age as the Ino-Shika-Cho fathers so they were 25, Kurenai is 31. But Tsume was 17 and Chiyo between 16-18. So precidence is there for Naruto and Sakura to become parents before they are 18. In Naruto's world it looks once you are about 16 you are basically considered an adult- which is very similar to Japan culture up to the end of WWII- Seen as more of a junior adult, or adult in training, but basically an adult. Kurenai and Asuma looked to be the oldest of the young ninja held back from battle and they were 15. I didn't see Ebisu amongst that group for example, and he would have just been 16 during the Kyubi attack.

Edited by ciardha, 16 August 2010 - 04:53 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

Kushina and Minato appear to have been about the same age as the Ino-Shika-Cho fathers so they were 25, Kurenai is 31. But Tsume was 17 and Chiyo between 16-18. So precidence is there for Naruto and Sakura to become parents before they are 18. In Naruto's world it looks once you are about 16 you are basically considered an adult- which is very similar to Japan culture up to the end of WWII- Seen as more of a junior adult, or adult in training, but basically an adult. Kurenai and Asuma looked to be the oldest of the young ninja held back from battle and they were 15. I didn't see Ebisu amongst that group for example, and he would have just been 16 during the Kyubi attack.

I think Chiyo was a lot older then 16-18 during the Nine Tails attack back then.


Was that some kind of typo or something?