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#1181 shisui

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:48 PM

What's your theory? Could you explain it to me?

My theory is very simple.

 

Sakura loves Sasuke genuinely and he loves her back. At some point after the war, Sasuke is going to acknowledge Sakura romantically, which was her childhood dream.

 

In this moment, where Sakura knows that she can have what she wanted, she'll chose not to because she's no longer that child that only wanted Sasuke's acknowledgement. She will realize that she has grown up and she'll realize that she wants different things now. She'll realise that Sasuke is this unstable rollercoaster of emotions that is metaphorical of childhood and teenager chaotic years and that Naruto can give her the stable happiness of an adult relationship.

 

Sakura choses them on equal grounds. Sasuke is her childhood and her teenage years, but Naruto is her adulthood. No settling for second best and the cleanest way to resolve everything. It favours NS greatly. It's a very cliché romance plottwist too.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:52 PM

BWUAAHAHAHAHAHA  :lmao: Are you serious he did that ?

Yes, no joke. Everyone in here can vouch in that he really defended heavily and translated it. I remember thinking that he could be right. But at long last, when the spoilers were out, he pretty much got laughed at, hence why you see in Anti-SS FC poke fun of that infamous blooper.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:52 PM

My theory is very simple.

 

Sakura loves Sasuke genuinely and he loves her back. At some point after the war, Sasuke is going to acknowledge Sakura romantically, which was her childhood dream.

Never in a million years will Sasuke ever love Sakura romantically. But then again, prior to his announcement, never in a million years would I think Sasuke wanted to become Hokage. I really like your theory.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:56 PM

I just googled about this chapter and I went on a jap site and I found this comment made today from someone who has read the WSJ today, just a his/her impression

 

サクラはサスケに対してはさすがにもう恋愛感情はないか
まあサスケは香燐と一緒にいそうだ

Sakura doesn't have all the same romantic feelings for Sasuke anymore.
Well, Sasuke is gonna to be with Karin.

 

:yes:


Edited by 六道仙人, 12 May 2014 - 03:01 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 02:59 PM

@google

Thank you for the answer.

I don't think that will happen(the sasuke love back sakura part). Since naruto romance (for me) is not that complicated. For me, expecting sasuke to love sakura back is like expecting rukawa(slam dunk) to notice haruka.

It only happen in shoujo, but not in shonen battle manga.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:01 PM

Sasuke loving Sakura would be the most stupid thing that ever happened in the manga and god knows there's a lot of stupid things in this manga. Just let Sakura move on for ffs and grow up from her nonsencical feelings once and for all, it's long overdue. It's more important for her character to finally mature than to get in any kind of relationship.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:04 PM

So I decided to brace myself and venture into the SS fanclub to see if I found what mezzo said. Not a pleasant experience but I found what I was looking for:
 
http://www.narutofor...&postcount=1131
 
I haven't read it (I don't think I could stomach it), so I don't know if the jap text shown here is from the real or fake translation. Feel free to see it and talk about it as you wish.

Is he really Japanese?

>2) On that same note, I'm really not sure why some translators chose to render the sentence 同じ好きでもその思いは別のものだ as 'Even if you may still like him, that feeling is something different'. XD To clarify, there is no 'may' in Kakashi's sentence, nor any other expression of doubt. He literally says 'Even though it's the same love, that feeling is something different'.

>Since his first sentence about 'Sakura's feelings towards Sasuke being different' could possibly be ambiguous, Kakashi immediately hastens to add that while 'it's the same love' (i.e. still romantic in nature, since he can't possibly be implying that she's still a fangirl in a paragraph where he's praising her for her maturity), those same feelings are now on a different level.

Doesn't make sense. その思いは別のものだ does not translate to "now on a different level". There is no word that translates to "level".
その思い are those thoughts/ feelings, 別のものだ means different things.

This guy is basing his translation of "the same love" solely on the assumption that Kakashi can't call her a fangirl.

>If Kakashi had wanted to imply that she still loves him, but not in a romantic way, he wouldn't have used the word 'onaji' (same, identical - obviously referring to his chapter 3 flashback, where the 'suki' he mentions is explicitly romantic). He would have used the word 'mada' (still), and probably something else other than 'suki' (maybe 'ki ni naru') - since that 'suki', being connected to his chapter 3 flashback, obviously carries romantic connotations.

This Mezzo guy has a very limited Japanese vocabulary. 同じ is a common way to make comparisons of two objects that are in the same category but have different traits. Even the non-Japanese 咲耶姫 and 六道仙人 knows this. Example below:
同じ日本料理でも美味しさが違う。Even if it's the same Japanese food the tastiness is different.

Another reason I think his vocabulary is limited is because he says that 好き is obviously romantic. In Japan, the world love/like is not necessary ONLY romantic.

>You still care for/have feelings for someone who tried to take your life.

>Saving Sasuke from the darkness without cutting down/casting away the Sasuke you were so fond of, no matter what happens, is something that you think of as your own duty.

Fond of!? 好いていた means used to like/love, not used to be fond of! This is incorrect!

>Kakashi is saying that Sakura wants to be the one to save the 'current' Sasuke from darkness, without abandoning/killing the 'old' Sasuke that she knows is still inside of him.

Where did he get the 'old Sasuke she knows is still inside of him' part??

>This entire part is simply expounding on his first statement (where he says that her feelings have changed, though she still loves him 'like that'). He explains that her feelings have changed in that they are still present despite the fact that Sasuke tried to kill her (not at all shallow anymore!), and that she thinks it her duty to save him and bring back the Sasuke that she knew and loved (not at all focused on herself anymore!).

So much bs I don't even care to point out the flaws to this summary anymore.

Edit: if you know him, please feel free to copy and paste this post. Oh and while you're at it please kindly tell him I said, "kitten you, you're not Japanese you imposter!"

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 12 May 2014 - 03:20 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:10 PM

Yes, no joke. Everyone in here can vouch in that he really defended heavily and translated it. I remember thinking that he could be right. But at long last, when the spoilers were out, he pretty much got laughed at, hence why you see in Anti-SS FC poke fun of that infamous blooper.

 

Is it really necessary to attack other people like this? Attack the argument, not the person.

 

Never in a million years will Sasuke ever love Sakura romantically. But then again, prior to his announcement, never in a million years would I think Sasuke wanted to become Hokage. I really like your theory.

 

I know that feeling. However, there are many degrees to romantic love, and many types of it. What Sasuke has (and Sakura has for him) isn't something like Naruto has. Even if they are the same romantic feeling.

 

Remember when you were a teen and you had all those hormones taking care of your brain. What you felt for someone was love and it was genuine. However, it just didn't have an substance and this is why it cannot be compared to adult love.

 

 

I just googled about this chapter and I went on a jap site and I found this comment made today from someone who has read the WSJ today, just a his/her impression

 

サクラはサスケに対してはさすがにもう恋愛感情はないか
まあサスケは香燐と一緒にいそうだ

Sakura doesn't have all the same romantic feelings for Sasuke anymore.
Well, Sasuke is gonna to be with Karin.

 

:yes:

 

You found that one post that is in denial. From what I can tell, the japanese SS fandom is celebrating on twitter, or so their tag tells me.

 

 

@google

Thank you for the answer.

I don't think that will happen(the sasuke love back sakura part). Since naruto romance (for me) is not that complicated. For me, expecting sasuke to love sakura back is like expecting rukawa(slam dunk) to notice haruka.

It only happen in shoujo, but not in shonen battle manga.

 

You're welcome. At least you're cool about disagreeing with me. What I usually get is people getting butthurt for I don't even know what reason and accusing that I'm a troll.

 

 

Sasuke loving Sakura would be the most stupid thing that ever happened in the manga and god knows there's a lot of stupid things in this manga.

 

So, nothing out of what we usually get.


Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 12 May 2014 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:11 PM

Sasuke loving Sakura would be the most stupid thing that ever happened in the manga and god knows there's a lot of stupid things in this manga. Just let Sakura move on for ffs and grow up from her nonsencical feelings once and for all, it's long overdue. It's more important for her character to finally mature than to get in any kind of relationship.

I agree about maturity is development first and foremost than NS actually happening. Now I would say maybe it's always like this that Sakura don't feel the same way from the beginning of part 2 but that's another discussion. Anyway, yes, if NS don't happen, that would suck but at least what we have is a matured Sakura. Granted they do have a lot of developments that can't be ignored, but I wouldn't say it's the end of the world. Just suck. Lol.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:13 PM

@google: Don't worry, they don't poke at him specifically. It just spawned an infamous line of defense. The line itself, not the person. Kind of like "because she loves him." I don't know who or whom but I know it's funny to see that line.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:22 PM

SS fandom were celebrating on twitter  even when Charasuke made his extra parte in the trailer of RTN and gave her a rose.

 

And it wasnt' denial, it was just a neutral post

 

But it's ok, let's celebrate together with them on twitter.


Edited by 六道仙人, 12 May 2014 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:26 PM

SS fandom ware celebrating on twitter on even when Charasuke made his extra parte in the trailer of RTN and gave her a rose.
 
And it wasnt' denial, it was just a neutral post
 
But it's ok, let's celebrate together with them on twitter.

You remember that whole fiasco. Oddly enough, that was the first time I witnessed tag team being formed: Evolution NH/SS. I was like "holy crap, this pairing war is actually real."

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 12 May 2014 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:28 PM

 

 
 
 
So, nothing out of what we usually get.

That's not a reason to add more, honestly I'm more happy that Sakura is over Sasuke than NS happening and if Sakura loves Sasuke the same way as before it would leave a very bad taste in my mouth. I just want Kishi to let the girl grow and her feelings for Sasuke have been the biggest hindrance since the beginning of the manga.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:30 PM

Naruto pairing fans will go crazy over the smallest stuff, even we do at times. Least we try to find good reason in ours,

 

though this isnt exactly NS related, check it out:

 

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These are anime scenes from the new game, funny how kushina reacts to rin and obito as she does. It should be a funny story.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:31 PM

I just googled about this chapter and I went on a jap site and I found this comment made today from someone who has read the WSJ today, just a his/her impression

 

サクラはサスケに対してはさすがにもう恋愛感情はないか
まあサスケは香燐と一緒にいそうだ

Sakura doesn't have all the same romantic feelings for Sasuke anymore.
Well, Sasuke is gonna to be with Karin.

 

:yes:

I was about to ask about the impressions japanese non-shippers got from it. From my experience, it's always interesting to check out what the power-level fans from over there think in circumstances like these, because most of them don't care enough to have a bias either way  :lol: so it usually helps those who still find ambiguity in the statement / translation to make up their mind.

 

That said, I think the problem is that some tend to look at chapters / statements like these like stand-alones when they're meant to be read in context. When read in the context of everything that has been happening in the manga for the last few years, there's really only one logical outcome to Kakashi's statement, imo  :shrug:  but to each his own.


Edited by Kanae, 12 May 2014 - 03:39 PM.

 

 


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:37 PM

Is he really Japanese?

>2) On that same note, I'm really not sure why some translators chose to render the sentence 同じ好きでもその思いは別のものだ as 'Even if you may still like him, that feeling is something different'. XD To clarify, there is no 'may' in Kakashi's sentence, nor any other expression of doubt. He literally says 'Even though it's the same love, that feeling is something different'.

>Since his first sentence about 'Sakura's feelings towards Sasuke being different' could possibly be ambiguous, Kakashi immediately hastens to add that while 'it's the same love' (i.e. still romantic in nature, since he can't possibly be implying that she's still a fangirl in a paragraph where he's praising her for her maturity), those same feelings are now on a different level.

Doesn't make sense. その思いは別のものだ does not translate to "now on a different level". There is no word that translates to "level".
その思い are those thoughts/ feelings, 別のものだ means different things.

This guy is basing his translation of "the same love" solely on the assumption that Kakashi can't call her a fangirl.

>If Kakashi had wanted to imply that she still loves him, but not in a romantic way, he wouldn't have used the word 'onaji' (same, identical - obviously referring to his chapter 3 flashback, where the 'suki' he mentions is explicitly romantic). He would have used the word 'mada' (still), and probably something else other than 'suki' (maybe 'ki ni naru') - since that 'suki', being connected to his chapter 3 flashback, obviously carries romantic connotations.

This Mezzo guy has a very limited Japanese vocabulary. 同じ is a common way to make comparisons of two objects that are in the same category but have different traits. Even the non-Japanese 咲耶姫 and 六道仙人 knows this. Example below:
同じ日本料理でも美味しさが違う。Even if it's the same Japanese food the tastiness is different.

Another reason I think his vocabulary is limited is because he says that 好き is obviously romantic. In Japan, the world love/like is not necessary ONLY romantic.

>You still care for/have feelings for someone who tried to take your life.

>Saving Sasuke from the darkness without cutting down/casting away the Sasuke you were so fond of, no matter what happens, is something that you think of as your own duty.

Fond of!? 好いていた means used to like/love, not used to be fond of! This is incorrect!

>Kakashi is saying that Sakura wants to be the one to save the 'current' Sasuke from darkness, without abandoning/killing the 'old' Sasuke that she knows is still inside of him.

Where did he get the 'old Sasuke she knows is still inside of him' part??

>This entire part is simply expounding on his first statement (where he says that her feelings have changed, though she still loves him 'like that'). He explains that her feelings have changed in that they are still present despite the fact that Sasuke tried to kill her (not at all shallow anymore!), and that she thinks it her duty to save him and bring back the Sasuke that she knew and loved (not at all focused on herself anymore!).

So much bs I don't even care to point out the flaws to this summary anymore.

Edit: if you know him, please feel free to copy and paste this post. Oh and while you're at it please kindly tell him I said, "kitten you, you're not Japanese you imposter!"

 

Not surprised, I mean it was funny how only a "raw" was going around the SS fandom and yet the others didn't have access to it or so? This is just proves we cannot go by raws, even by 631, that was otherwise just an obvious event/parallel waiting to happen, this time its just well, logically how can the story flow and its just easier to say she decreased her feelings, otherwise that she continues to change in her regards to both naruto and sasuke and well, she isnt going to see him the same or somehow come to love him more after all this junk, it just has a hard time being argued right there, its at the point where some fans tried to justify some sort of "kindness" or "sasuke was innocent" when he tried to kill sakura.

 

Really the deal is just character progression at this part, not dependencies on raws, cause now everyone wants to see the real deal, its going to have a situation where people still make a fuss over it even as much as it is right now. This is its just better to think with the past tense stuff of sakuras feelings decreased, I mean there's no argument needed for how that one makes sense when there are just more questions than answers given risen towards the it somehow increased side.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:43 PM

 

Not surprised, I mean it was funny how only a "raw" was going around the SS fandom and yet the others didn't have access to it or so? This is just proves we cannot go by raws, even by 631, that was otherwise just an obvious event/parallel waiting to happen, this time its just well, logically how can the story flow and its just easier to say she decreased her feelings, otherwise that she continues to change in her regards to both naruto and sasuke and well, she isnt going to see him the same or somehow come to love him more after all this junk, it just has a hard time being argued right there, its at the point where some fans tried to justify some sort of "kindness" or "sasuke was innocent" when he tried to kill sakura.

 

Really the deal is just character progression at this part, not dependencies on raws, cause now everyone wants to see the real deal, its going to have a situation where people still make a fuss over it even as much as it is right now. This is its just better to think with the past tense stuff of sakuras feelings decreased, I mean there's no argument needed for how that one makes sense when there are just more questions than answers given risen towards the it somehow increased side.

 

They had the correct raw though, no matter how bad/good it was translated.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:44 PM

saw it on tumblr:

 

http://baasama.tumbl...raw-say-exactly

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:44 PM

@google: Don't worry, they don't poke at him specifically. It just spawned an infamous line of defense. The line itself, not the person. Kind of like "because she loves him." I don't know who or whom but I know it's funny to see that line.

 

Even so, many of you accusing them of lying about the script, but they were not. I find it funny I got a warning for bashing Karin, but bashing real people is alright.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:47 PM

Just another thing. Linking up to the story of 好き (suki), I absolutey agreee with rameninmitsu.

Suki doesn't always means as a romantic love but also used for platonic relationship. I can take an exampe just from a naruto chapter.

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In chapter 330, Kakashi said:

オレはお前の事が.......ものすごく好きになってきたぞ!
"I'm getting....to like you so much!"

All the while Naruto is shocked and Kakashi was trying to explain better to him about how he expressed it badly, but Naruto tells him to stay away :P


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