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[Arachnia]

You know what i have a question for you guys

Would you guys believe it was canon if Sakura had hinatas peptalk part and hinata was on the background would you say OMG its canon now NS is Canon.

i for one would still say nope its not canon jup Sakura would look like kushina there but she already had that so :S still not canon so i asked my self now is HinataxNaruto canon dont get me wrong i did panic a bit when the chapter came out but now that i looked the chapter up again i thought what makes this so romantic nothing Hinata just said what every ninja on the field is thinking there all one they all give there lives too naruto too the village, and i do admit hinata got too much screen time but hey the pages needed too be filled aka nine tails:P

battlefield is no place for romance but i do admit hinata took the role of mother wonderfully slap/kid naruto has hes own gaurdian whoehoe but (really) if hinata dident get this now,,, who knows she got it on the end of the manga that would have been even worse atleast now there can be enought changes on the way i mean i dont see Hinata in stone yet.

[HalfStarStudios]

Hence...."normal". Ugh, I give up.

Btw, it's nice to know you support such an abusive relationship. It only proves why NaruSaku will forever be better than SasuSaku.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 09:36 PM.

[MangaReader]

Welp, this chapter had to draw me back here... XD

I don't know, the only thing that worried me for a little was the last page, but otherwise, I didn't sense much of anything from Naruto. Anyway, can't let this ruin the shipping boat just yet, because things are far from over. I've got this feeling that if Hinata's inner speech was foreshadowing...then everyone else's has to be as well, which includes Sakura. Ironic enough, despite this being a Hinata development chapter... I still felt a hint of selfishness from her (mostly the ending)

Anyway, I'm sticking with the NaruSaku ship till the very end, even in rough waters like this

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You were just told that abusive relationships and extend of the violence vary greatly. You think abusive spouses can't extend their violence, both physical and mental, on their spouse's family members and friends? They can and do. Note: Sasuke is a fictional villain with superpowers and typical villain goals. Many real abusive spouses are neither fictional or have superpowers or desire to flatten cities with the citizens to groud (well, maybe they desire, but don't have the power).

The problem was about Sasuke not returning sakura feelings and he prove that he does not love her, sakura was never abusive to sasuke, she was kind to him, even kushina is somewhat abusive towards Naruto, but it's a relationship of mother and son, the thing is Sasuke for me is like Kakashi.

The response for Sakura confession which i have doubts it will happen again, she will be rejected, if sasuke gets redeemed i dont see him accepting Sakura's love but being honest with himself like Kakashi did.
This is a real redeemption of Sasuke, you're assuming that his redemption automatically leads to Sasusaku which in this very same manga it proved that it does not, Obito changed Kakashi but still he rejected Rin, and he was honest with himself he didnt love her and a guy give everything for her including his life.
Why he should accept her if on the entire manga he was abusive, treated her with cold and etc...

I See him doing the very same thing kakashi did "I'm sorry sakura but i was a jerk to you, i dont love you and i cant return your feelings it's not right".

And also think that Sasuke knows that Naruto loves Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 09:59 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Hence...."normal". Ugh, I give up.

Btw, it's nice to know you support such an abusive relationship. It only proves why NaruSaku will forever be better than SasuSaku.

It is horribly insulting for you to say that I support abusive relationships. I can support and be okay with a fictional couple with violent background, just like I can like a fictional murderer like Gaara. This in no way implies that I think that in real life it's totally fine for a guy to bash his wife's head to a wall. I think I would like to hear you apologize for implying that.

Dαrkrєrsŧ,

Never thought I'd say this but you are actually right. Sasuke could indeed go through his redemption by doing what Kakashi did to Rin. SS is in no way certain to become canon. Even if NH does become canon, SS might not. Even if Sasuke redeems himself, SS might not happen.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 29 December 2012 - 09:45 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Dαrkrєrsŧ,

Never thought I'd say this but you are actually right. Sasuke could indeed go through his redemption by doing what Kakashi did to Rin. SS is in no way certain to become canon. Even if NH does become canon, SS might not. Even if Sasuke redeems himself, SS might not happen.

SS does not seems right, about NH i too have doubts that it might become canon, for me everything until now seems to that Naruto and Sakura are destined to each another, Kushina being a character inspired by Sakura already kills of the charade, but it's bad for the hero (Naruto) "lose" sakura for a guy that treated her like a trash thoughout the series.

Like i said SS for me it's not right, being honest i didnt like NS on part 1 neither NH i thought that Naruto would find someome else like him, another jinchuuriki.
Because Hinata even with her development done she still incapable of understanding Naruto.
Narusaku had a lot of problems in part 1 like Sakura behavior towards Naruto ( which i hated for real) but Naruto slowly gained Sakura, and Sakura put an effort to understand him, i would give NH a chance if Hinata was a tsundere, but Naruto is a guy that does not fit with shy girls, and moreover Hyuuga + Uzumaki i cant take it.
Naruto's feelings is still there and for Nh to be canon, he must be heartbroken, it would lead to a failure like Jiraya, who on his death said that one of his biggest failures was he could not get with Tsunade.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 10:00 PM.

[KnS]

The thing is Karin has been shown to be able to stand her ground against Sasuke, sure she loves him but she won't take his bullsh* which makes SasuKarin a much stronger pairing than SasuSaku. Sakura has been shown to freeze up, and her character development goes down the drain everytime Sasuke is mentioned. It almost seems like Sakura can't be herself around Sasuke, sure she loves him, but we've never seen her stand up to him unless it's because she's defending Naruto. That's why people can actually stand and Ship Sasukarin, and not like Sasusaku.

So if Sakura starts standing up to Sasuke you would be okay with SS?

*jumps in momentarily*

Sasuke with either Karin or Sakura is distasteful, in my opinion. I view both relationships as pathetic, but that's because they share the common denominator of Sasuke. I know he holds appeal for some fans, obviously. I can see appreciating him for his skills and badassery, and the part he plays in Naruto's personal drama, but I really don't understand the desire to ship him with anyone.

From a shipping perspective, the best I can say about Sasuke is that he displays a consistent disinterest in girls -- and to borrow from Shakespeare, that should be "a dear happiness to women." At worst he is a defective asshat with very little to recommend him for a relationship. To be dazzled by his good looks is to love him, apparently, and to love him is to endure murder attempts and emotional cruelty. Not my definition of Prince Charming.

I think Sasuke will be redeemed somehow, but what exactly is that likely to mean? That he will suddenly be sweet and cuddly? That his chakra will suddenly be warm and bright like Naruto's, as opposed to dark, cold, and cruel? That he'll have a song in his heart, a spring in his step, and a kind word for all?

I just don't see him as ever being a good match for any woman. If I had to choose between Karin and Sakura, though, I think Karin is more suitable. Not only for the reasons so many others have mentioned -- that she is closer to being on equal footing with Sasuke relationship-wise, and she is strong and realistic enough about what he really is to handle him -- but also because Karin is damaged in a way that Sakura (so far) is not. Karin is no gentle, idealistic flower. She is tough and gritty, and hardened by her experiences. Her time with Orochimaru, and her loyalty to him, proves that she's not exactly a match for a normal man, either. She and Sasuke getting together would stop them from ruining two other people's lives. That's the cynical view, anyway.

I don't know. In terms of all the fangirl/fanboying he gets, Sasuke has always struck me as the Naruto world's Draco Malfoy. Slick, aristocratic, elite, arrogant, in a twisted competition with the hero who he simultaneously resents but can't outshine, his future planned out for him by a bitter family with destructive allegiances. At the end of the Harry Potter series Draco was spared due to Harry's decency and bravery, but he was still a cold and morally vacant person compared to the hero because that's who and what he had always been.

Of course, Sasuke and Naruto's relationship is different and more complex, but in my view Sasuke's only saving grace is Naruto's commitment to him. It reminds me of that Linkin Park song, Lying From You: "The very worst part of you... is me." As far as I'm concerned, that's certainly the case with Naruto AND Sakura. The worst part about each of them is their devotion to Sasuke.

Sorry for contributing to the way, way off-topicness.

[luffyq1]

To me, SasuKarin becoming canon is as bad as SasuSaku becoming canon. While, yes, SK would make more sense, that doesn't excuse the fact that Sasuke nearly killed Karin with no remorse. If Karin is able to forgive him for that, then it destroys her character beyond repair. And considering I actually like Karin's character, I don't want to see her forgive the guy that she should be considering an aggressive, betraying bastard.

^This!

Both are terrible pairings for the reason you just listed.

I like her character too

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

*jumps in momentarily*

Sasuke with either Karin or Sakura is distasteful, in my opinion. I view both relationships as pathetic, but that's because they share the common denominator of Sasuke. I know he holds appeal for some fans, obviously. I can see appreciating him for his skills and badassery, and the part he plays in Naruto's personal drama, but I really don't understand the desire to ship him with anyone.

From a shipping perspective, the best I can say about Sasuke is that he displays a consistent disinterest in girls -- and to borrow from Shakespeare, that should be "a dear happiness to women." At worst he is a defective asshat with very little to recommend him for a relationship. To be dazzled by his good looks is to love him, apparently, and to love him is to endure murder attempts and emotional cruelty. Not my definition of Prince Charming.

I think Sasuke will be redeemed somehow, but what exactly is that likely to mean? That he will suddenly be sweet and cuddly? That his chakra will suddenly be warm and bright like Naruto's, as opposed to dark, cold, and cruel? That he'll have a song in his heart, a spring in his step, and a kind word for all?

I just don't see him as ever being a good match for any woman. If I had to choose between Karin and Sakura, though, I think Karin is more suitable. Not only for the reasons so many others have mentioned -- that she is closer to being on equal footing with Sasuke relationship-wise, and she is strong and realistic enough about what he really is to handle him -- but also because Karin is damaged in a way that Sakura (so far) is not. Karin is no gentle, idealistic flower. She is tough and gritty, and hardened by her experiences. Her time with Orochimaru, and her loyalty to him, proves that she's not exactly a match for a normal man, either. She and Sasuke getting together would stop them from ruining two other people's lives. That's the cynical view, anyway.

I don't know. In terms of all the fangirl/fanboying he gets, Sasuke has always struck me as the Naruto world's Draco Malfoy. Slick, aristocratic, elite, arrogant, in a twisted competition with the hero who he simultaneously resents but can't outshine, his future planned out for him by a bitter family with destructive allegiances. At the end of the Harry Potter series Draco was spared due to Harry's decency and bravery, but he was still a cold and morally vacant person compared to the hero because that's who and what he had always been.

Of course, Sasuke and Naruto's relationship is different and more complex, but in my view Sasuke's only saving grace is Naruto's commitment to him. It reminds me of that Linkin Park song, Lying From You: "The very worst part of you... is me." As far as I'm concerned, that's certainly the case with Naruto AND Sakura. The worst part about each of them is their devotion to Sasuke.

Sorry for contributing to the way, way off-topicness.

I dont think using real life experiences on a movie it's something to prove, Sasuke has no admiration as to be a rival, he just get annoyed because he thought he was a weakling because of naruto's fast development.

Kakashi's example is better, Kakashi didnt loved anyone but Obito was special to him, and it didnt prevent him from killing rin, Obito even in that situation would never be capable of killing her, Kakashi didnt hesitated at any moment but he still cried because she was a teammate but it was no sign of true love.
He seemed rin a part of the team and his best friend love interest.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 10:09 PM.

[4000TMNT]

I remember us NaruSaku fans was thinking Sakura got over Sasuke during the beginning of part 2 to the kage summit arc. Because we had all that development of NaruSaku during that time. Sakura's love for Sasuke was not mention at during that period, but we all assume that she stop loving him during the time skip. Kishi shown us otherwise in Kage summit arc, because Kishi never leaves plot point unfinished. It would make no sense to see Sakura getting over Sasuke with no panel time showing it. Same thing for Naruto, it will not make any sense of NaruHina becoming canon(especially this latest chapter) without showing the development conclusion of NaruSaku. Just like when we were shock that Sakura still had feelings for Sasuke at Kage summit arc, NaruHina fans will be shock as well when they find out that Naruto still loves Sakura.

[MangaReader]

I remember us NaruSaku fans was thinking Sakura got over Sasuke during the beginning of part 2 to the kage summit arc. Because we had all that development of NaruSaku during that time. Sakura's love for Sasuke was not mention at during that period, but we all assume that she stop loving him during the time skip. Kishi shown us otherwise in Kage summit arc, because Kishi never leaves plot point unfinished. It would make no sense to see Sakura getting over Sasuke with no panel time showing it. Same thing for Naruto, it will not make any sense of NaruHina becoming canon(especially this latest chapter) without showing the development conclusion of NaruSaku. Just like when we were shock that Sakura still had feelings for Sasuke at Kage summit arc, NaruHina fans will be shock as well when they find out that Naruto still loves Sakura.

I thought it was the war that showed us she still loved Sasuke... though I vaguely remember the Kage Summit arc. Either way, I assume that all the couples need closure before anything becomes official. So yeah, this is far from over the way I see it

Edited by MangaReader, 29 December 2012 - 10:12 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

I'm prepared for the worst. Worst being SasuSaku becoming canon. I can handle NaruHina(even if it's rushed and forced) but SasuSaku is just pitiful.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 29 December 2012 - 10:15 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm prepared for the worst. Worst being SasuSaku becoming canon. I can handle NaruHina(even if it's rushed and forced) but SasuSaku is just pitiful.

I cant handle Naruhina.
I cant see Naruto give up on the love of his life, it's way out of character, NH gets canon surely SS will be( he will do a magic trick i know it)

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I think Sasuke will be redeemed somehow, but what exactly is that likely to mean? That he will suddenly be sweet and cuddly? That his chakra will suddenly be warm and bright like Naruto's, as opposed to dark, cold, and cruel? That he'll have a song in his heart, a spring in his step, and a kind word for all?

Well, that's exactly what Gaara did.

I don't know. In terms of all the fangirl/fanboying he gets, Sasuke has always struck me as the Naruto world's Draco Malfoy. Slick, aristocratic, elite, arrogant, in a twisted competition with the hero who he simultaneously resents but can't outshine, his future planned out for him by a bitter family with destructive allegiances. At the end of the Harry Potter series Draco was spared due to Harry's decency and bravery, but he was still a cold and morally vacant person compared to the hero because that's who and what he had always been.

Draco was a good person at heart, though. He had been twisted by his parents' ideologue. This made him both elitistic a**hole who looked down on the poor Weasley family, and a racist. But when Draco was given the chance to act out his hatred for muggleborn and team Harry, he could not do it. He talked the talk but the walk he never walked. Draco was mostly talk. When Sasuke was given the opportunity to act out his hatred, he walked the walk. This, I think, is the key difference in Draco and Sasuke. Sasuke was a good guy too, once upon a time, but he has completely different level on bad guy stuff than Draco. It is also my understanding that Draco and Harry made a sort of peace by the end of the books. The Malfoys also flipped sides and redeemed themselves. They weren't that morally vacant to me.

[luffyq1]

Really...? You supporting SS is starting to make sense to me now. Also before you cry about "NS fans supposed to be nice" or whatever. I never said I was nice. When I see stupidity, I call it out. *awaits infraction*

Taking it like a boss

Edited by luffyq1, 29 December 2012 - 10:18 PM.

[4000TMNT]

I thought it was the war that showed us she still loved Sasuke... though I vaguely remember the Kage Summit arc. Either way, I assume that all the couples need closure before anything becomes official. So yeah, this is far from over the way I see it

Same thing, in both cases we assume SasuSaku was dead without nothing stated it was, but now lot of people think Naruto stop loving Sakura with no panels showing other wise.

Ch 615 is just like Ch 450, it did nothing to change any of the characters feelings.

[HalfStarStudios]

I cant handle Naruhina.
I cant see Naruto give up on the love of his life, it's way out of character, NH gets canon surely SS will be( he will do a magic trick i know it)

True.

[PhenixElite]

Remember, nothing is canon until the end. Like others said, showing hinata with naruto just means that its not going to be canon since pairings are canon in the end of the manga.
Also sakura is the only one who is likely to change her feelings, because it has a lot of developoment instead of NH or SS.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well, that's exactly what Gaara did.

He was honest with his brothers he asked for pardon.
And asked for pardon obviously the village and worked his way out to become hokage with his own effort, it's nothing like he accepting Sakura's love this is not being honest
And like sasuke said gaara is nothing like him.
Sasuke really hates the village it's like he has no place, even with gaara being hated he wanted to be acknowledge but not because of hard work but thought fear.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 December 2012 - 10:27 PM.

[Verilance]

Draco was a good person at heart, though. He had been twisted by his parents' ideologue. This made him both elitistic a**hole who looked down on the poor Weasley family, and a racist. But when Draco was given the chance to act out his hatred for muggleborn and team Harry, he could not do it. He talked the talk but the walk he never walked. Draco was mostly talk. When Sasuke was given the opportunity to act out his hatred, he walked the walk. This, I think, is the key difference in Draco and Sasuke. Sasuke was a good guy too, once upon a time, but he has completely different level on bad guy stuff than Draco. It is also my understanding that Draco and Harry made a sort of peace by the end of the books. The Malfoys also flipped sides and redeemed themselves. They weren't that morally vacant to me.

JK Rowling disagrees with you there. the Malfoys were oportunists who had not so much a change of heart as a realization "their" side was not going to win and that Voldamort was in fact just another evil bastard.

they remain as morally bankrupt as they began