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[Dreamer]

Are you seriously trying to negate Sakura's love for Sasuke just because he doesn't love her back? She loves him. I'm a NaruSaku fan, do NOT misinterpret what I am about to say.

A person can love someone without them loving you back. To be IN love, in my opinion, is for both to accept that they are meant for one another. (hence why I am a narusaku fan, Sasuke has no room in his heart for loving anything other than revenge.)

At no point in my argument did I say Sakura was being logical in her love. Love isn't logical, they can hurt you, tear you apart from the inside out, but you still manage to have strong feelings for them. I'm not sure if you've ever felt like that about someone. Someone that you couldn't let go of, someone you knew was beautiful, and someone you respected enough to continue to care about them even if they put you down. Love is a messed up thing some times, it isn't as simple as dropping it. But in the end, there are choices, you can choose to leave that person to try and forget and move on, which Sakura is TRYING to do.

Anyway. yea. I don't blame Sakura for loving Sasuke or at least still having feelings for him. I understand it's not logical, but you can't help how you feel. Maybe she'll be completely turned off from him after he almost kills her in this fight they're about to get into. I just really hope Naruto doesn't try to move on.

Well what I think he was trying to get at was Sakura's love for Sasuke has been based on a lie/sham (Naruto disguising himself as Sasuke from the bench scene), thinking that was Sasuke actually returning her feelings, which led him to be annoyed with Sakura continuing to love Sasuke.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 04 December 2009 - 06:35 AM.

[catsi563]

If he actualy chose hinata yes i agree.

but i dont think he will.

as ive said Its her perception. its what she believes will happen. She is willing to make the sacrafice of any chance of Naruto loving her, so she can save him.

whether she trully believes that Naruto will choose hinata over her because of this action is an uncertainty. She knows of Hinatas confession and sacrafice. and may see it as a logical outcome of her killing Sasuke one of narutos closest bonds.

as Sai said she also knows you might hate her. thus it makes logical sense where she might feel something like that would happen.

Its more likely though that Naruto and Sakura will have a little conversation afterwards.

requoting my post because for some reaosn people seem to think im supporting a naruhina outcome which i admantly am not.

I said that that is what ((I believe)) Sakura is feeling. that is what the thought process going through her mind is.

not I REPEAT NOT what "is" going to happen.

its her thought process. what she feels will be the consequence of her actions.

and to add icing to the cake Sai pretty much confirmed it.

[Smiter]

Relax everyone. Everything is going to be okay. Our prayers have been answered. Batman has begun his attack.



He's got this!

BAT-A-TAT-TAT!

Oi, I thought Batman was totally against using firearms.

Awesome posts, though. You really made me crack up with the absurdness. XDDD I love Batman. I'd also recommend Batgirl: Year One, if you haven't read it yet (I suspect you may have).

I see it in some ways as Sakura stepping up and looking to make things right, which would be her decree not to make any more mistakes; she loves both boys, but one of them has crossed several lines and she realizes it's time to let go. To stop him because she cares about him, or cared, whatever the case may be. That takes some serious guts if it's what's occurring. She's basically saddling up to get s*** done knowing full well that should she succeed or fail, there will be no going back.

Exactly. Sakura may not be going about this in the ideal way, but her intentions are worthy. She just doesn't want Sasuke causing war. Imagine if Ino was killed because of him? Shikamaru? Hinata? Kiba? Tsunade? Naruto?

I admire Sakura for her courage to step forward and try to do something. I think it shows she's willing to let go of the past to save the future.

Oh yes, Kishi actually painted a picture of what relationships really are... MESSY. wtf aren't you supposed to dispose of old feelings completely and forget about them? haha /sarcasm/ anyway...

Exactly. Does everyone remember the shock, confusion, and even suspicion we felt when Sakura confessed to Naruto? There was no way Sakura could realistically cease her feelings for Sasuke in an instant. There's no "off" switch for the heart. Sakura does want to love Naruto (and she does have strong feelings for him), but her heart is confused and in a real mess right now. It would be perfect for her if she could simply change from Sasuke to Naruto at the flip of a switch, but things are never that easy.

Contrary to what Sakura herself said, her heart is not fickle. She's a devoted girl, like Naruto is a devoted guy. Even if Sakura does (or has) fall out of love with Sasuke, she will always care strongly for him. This will take time and development, and I'm loving it so far.

One thing that always bugs me about the ship wars is how they thing love has to follow some logical equation. Like 'Sakura' loves 'Sasuke' :: therefore 'Sakura' does not love 'Naruto' :: therefore 'Naruto' has to love 'Hinata' Well, guess what folks. It doesn't work that way. Sakura does love both Sasuke and Naruto. There's nothing wrong with that nor does that make her less of a person. Her feelings are shifting.

So are Naruto's for that matter. He's coming to the realization that he has to grow-up a bit more. Things aren't always black and white. I think Sakura having worked as an assistant for Tsunade has probably had more experience seeing the type of decisions and sacrifices that have had to be made for the village. She's more well prepared for that. Of course, that doesn't mean it's going to be a walk in the park for her since she still didn't quite have the courage to tell Naruto the truth about taking Sasuke out. Though I think Naruto understands what the most logical thing to do is and he understands why Sakura is going to fight Sasuke, I'm not sure if he's completely sold on the idea of putting Sasuke down yet. The next several chapters will probably have him facing that decision on what he has to do.

Concerning Sakura's feelings, yeah, it kind of is like putting down your favorite pet because they're suffering or have rabies. I also think she's doing it in part because Sasuke is not only the enemy of Konoha, but he's making Naruto suffer. In the past, she has done things to try and lessen his pain both in Part I and in Part II. I think her rambling confession was a way to lessen the blow for what she knew she was going to have to do, fight and try and kill Sasuke. She probably knew that coming right out and telling him what she was going to do would seem really callous and she was afraid to come off that way to Naruto because she knows how sensitive he is about that subject. Was that the best way for her to confess or broach the subject? Probably not. But I think as strong a facade she's putting on, deep down she's just as scared about confronting Sasuke and putting a final end to Team 7 as Naruto is.

It's going to be interesting to see what Naruto decides to do. Will he chase Sakura or try to get to Sasuke before she can? Then, what will he do? I really like what Gaara said. If Naruto wants to earn the title of Hokage, he will have to make hard decisions. He may be realising he has one last chance to stop Sasuke. If he doesn't, Sakura could die. Konoha could fall. If Sasuke still refuses to listen, Naruto will have to decide to stop him by force.

I'm really looking forward to the coming chapters. I hope we get some really frank clear-the-air talks between Naruto and Sakura (during or after Sasuke), and that Sakura finds out the truth about the bench scene from Sasuke...

[Narushi]

woooot! getting overexcited for the upcoming chapters!!! i luv how evryone tries to explain everything that happens!!!

[ciardha]

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Sasuke is just another tragic hero. Kinda like Two-Face from Batman.

Once a hero, saw the ones he loved die, and decides to turn evil.

No, totally doesn't fit what usually happens in the real world and it doesn't fit Naruto either. In Naruto, like in the real world you have a choice. That was what Naruto's choice when he battled Pain was all about. He choose not to kill. This is why I think books like Batman give a bad message.

Sasuke has had lots of choices, and almost every time he chose the darkest one. Gaara had far fewer choices and for years didn't even know that he did, when Naruto was able to reach him though, he leapt for the better choice.

I see a few people are still struggling with the reason Sakura has chosen to kill Sasuke if she still has feekings for him. The analogy that has been made to Old Yeller actually probably does make it the easiest to grasp. Sasuke has become a rabid dog that must be put down. Gaara essentailly said this, told Naruto that death is the best gift you can give Sasuke.

Edited by ciardha, 04 December 2009 - 01:46 PM.

[Froot]

Well I'm actually quite happy things are rough for them right now. To quote Shakespeare, The course of True Love never did run smooth, and I for one am all for drama. After all, all of the drama would go to waste if there wasn't some huge NaruSaku moment afterwards.

[Arabian Maiden]

what was the point of inserting Yamato's speech there if it didn't mean anything? What was the point of him telling Sakura, "...What's important is the strength of the feelings you have for Naruto...Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you. In reality you--" and having it interrupted if it didn't have any overall significance?
And the hug. What was the point of having Hinata stand by the sidelines, watching, with a smile on her face and a "..." speech bubble if it didn't mean she can't see that Naruto and Sakura are in love with each other?

Iwas wondering about that too and It's the only thing that keeps me believing in NaruSaku.

It's either NaruHina/SasuSaku had always been the intended ship (and if that's the case, Kishimoto did a really horribly job making that apparent)

I 100% agree ... I think Sakura's feelings toward Sasuke has just ended NaruSaku shipping either that or she's not aware of her real feelings for Naruto *sigh* even Naruto said it: " Sakura loves Sasuke so much" T_T , What's wrong with Kishi? she has never thought of Sasuke for nearly 300 chapter and now THIS!!

[dfammer]

Have we even heard Sakura say she loved Sasuke?All I heard was Naruto saying she loved Sasuke, how does Naruto know who Sakura loves ,I mean did he all the sudden learn a "mind reading" jutsu. Let's give this a few more chapters before we overreact to this.

[jinsterr]

Also with Sakura's character... I am not surprised she'd stop Sasuke to save him. She did, at one point, said she wanted to save both Naruto and Sasuke. If killing Sasuke will save him, Konoha and protect Naruto, she'll do it.

I've always wondered what she intended to do, and I believe this might be it.

And I do think Yamato's speech has some significance, otherwise why bother interrupting it if it didn't mean anything? If Yamato was regarding Sakura as a girl who cares for Naruto as only just a friend, why leave that sentence hanging? In any normal circumstances, if that were the case, the dialogue would have been completed.

Also, I am with everyone when they say that Sakura is in love with both boys. I just went through the chapter again and I sorta noticed this. I think when Sakura confessed, it was genuine. Yamato said she didn't intend to tell Naruto the truth (about what they were gonna do about Sasuke) right from the start. And instead of telling him the truth, she confessed.

People think that her confession to him was her way of freeing Naruto from the burdens of the promise. And while that is true, I also think she confessed to Naruto because it was the truth. She is willing to shoulder his hate if she succeeds in killing Sasuke--heck, she chose Naruto over Sasuke, even though she still loves Sasuke. She understands that letting Sasuke continue down the path of darkness will bring harm to both Konoha and Naruto, so to save Sasuke from sinking any lower she plans to kill him. To save Naruto she plans to stop Sasuke herself.

It may be because it's the logical thing to do in this situation for Sakura to choose Naruto (and Konoha) over Sasuke, but why would Sakura hurt Naruto more by lying to him? Didn't she want to stop that? I think if she wasn't in love with Naruto, she wouldn't have confessed. She would have probably done a different approach. She did lie to Naruto about Sasuke, yes, but it was because she knew it would hurt him if she told him they were going to kill him. So again, why would she lie about her feelings if she knew it would hurt him? When that's the very thing she was trying to prevent?

That's just my two cents though ^^

I hope I made sense.

Edited by jinsterr, 04 December 2009 - 03:14 PM.

[RedDelicious]

DEATH HAS TAKEN OUR SHIP. NOW IT WILL RISE AS BLACK LANTERN NARUSAKU.

Now you have me thinking of Naruto and Sakura in black leather (ala The Matrix).

America will fall! Cobra Commander will win and draw faces on the moon with a laser!

Good thing Madara didn't think to team up with the Cobra Commander, otherwise he would already have won! (with his plan to use his special jutsu on the moon)

The analogy that has been made to Old Yeller actually probably does make it the easiest to grasp.

Woo hoo, I finally added something useful to this forum!
If Sasuke's "darkness" were transferred to someone like TenTen , the village could afford to throw her in a padded cell and hope to improve her mental state. With Sasuke, he is the equivalent of an M1 tank driving towards a missile silo; at some point you have to blow up the tank before it reaches the nukes.

I was very encouraged by this chapter. Oh, I realize Kishi has put another mountain and enemy army in front of NaruSaku, but that will just make it more epic when they win. And they will win.

Here are a few things I learned from this chapter:
1) A few chapters ago, when Sakura learned of the decision to put down Sasuke, her first reaction was the same as Ino ("boo-hoo"). She only came to the decision to act (put down Sasuke) AFTER Sai told her that she was causing Naruto pain. So although some people are making (too big) a deal about Sakura loving the person Sasuke used to be, the prime motivation was guilt over Naruto's feelings.

2) Yamato hit the nail on the head this chapter. If Sakura anticipated that she was not going to be able to tell Naruto about the death sentence, then the main reason to travel out there is TO CONFESS HER LOVE! There are at least 3 reasons why she would do that now. She heard from Tsunade how much she regretted never telling Jiraiya what he meant to her, so Sakura would not make the same mistake. Others have pointed out that unless her group gets a stealth-ninja surprise attack on Sasuke's group, they are probably outmatched, so Sakura may not get a chance to confess later.

Third, Sai said that Sakura thinks that Naruto will hate her for killing Sasuke. There is no way she would be able to confess later, if things turned out that way. (If people thought this confession seemed forced, imagine what it would be like with Naruto hating her.) This would put a different spin on how Sakura left Naruto abruptly (and then started crying). This was (in her mind) the last chance to let Naruto know how she much she loves him, and he won't believe her (even before he finds out about the death sentence).

3) Naruto has finally realized that Sakura does not unconditionally and blindly love Sasuke. It is understandable, subconsciously, why he thought that, but now he has to re-examine everything he thought was true. (When they were younger and Sakura favored Sasuke, it would be easier for him to think that he never stood a chance, and that the only way to express his love was to aid hers.)

[Nee-sama]

No, totally doesn't fit what usually happens in the real world and it doesn't fit Naruto either. In Naruto, like in the real world you have a choice. That was what Naruto's choice when he battled Pain was all about. He choose not to kill. This is why I think books like Batman give a bad message.

Sasuke has had lots of choices, and almost every time he chose the darkest one. Gaara had far fewer choices and for years didn't even know that he did, when Naruto was able to reach him though, he leapt for the better choice.

I see a few people are still struggling with the reason Sakura has chosen to kill Sasuke if she still has feekings for him. The analogy that has been made to Old Yeller actually probably does make it the easiest to grasp. Sasuke has become a rabid dog that must be put down. Gaara essentailly said this, told Naruto that death is the best gift you can give Sasuke.

I understand her reasoning. I just don't like it because it seems too much like she's just decided to put her kitten out of it's misery because it's in pain. Don't get me wrong, I have had to make that choice before and I chose to put the animal down even though it was the most painful decision I ever had to make. Sasuke is in pain and he keeps gnawing at the wound instead of letting it heal, but I don't think his condition is untreatable. I still think Naruto will try to redeem Sasuke, even with everything he learned in this chapter.

Hopefully we'll get to see a romantic 'Save Sakura' chapter when the three of them reunite.

[RedDelicious]

I just don't like it because it seems too much like she's just decided to put her kitten out of it's misery because it's in pain.

I don't see it as quite that casual. She knows that Danzo has already had Sasuke marked for death, and now she has learned that her peers, the people who know Sasuke best, have come to the same conclusion. It is a done deal, regardless of what she thinks. That leaves her with three choices: join Sasuke ( ), do nothing/sob in a tent, or do it herself.

This reminded me of a line from Heinlein's Starship Troopers: "If it has to be done, a man --a real man-- shoots his own dog himself; he doesn't hire a proxy who may bungle it." So you may feel that it does not have to be done (yet), but I think it is reasonable that Sakura (without the benefit of reading the Part II chapters involving Sasuke) would think that it does need to happen.

Oh, and I agree that even if Naruto thinks that there is no hope for Sasuke, he will make the attempt anyways. (Naruto will remember Iruka helping him when everyone else considered him a lost cause. Or how people felt that there was nothing more to Gaara than the monster.)

Edited by RedDelicious, 04 December 2009 - 04:38 PM.

[Evil Potato]

Im very sure that when Sakura said "I love you Naruto", she really meant it. How she feels about Sasuke shouldnt affect the fact that she loves Naruto.

Here it is, Sakura wants to kill Sasuke on one end, and is hugging Naruto on the other. Sounds good to me lol

[harry4e]

If Kishi is aiming for a SasuSaku pairing, he needs to atleast give an explanaition as to what exactly about Sasuke does she love? Or what he has done to earn Sakura's love, because the only reasons i've heard from Sakura apply more to Naruto than Sasuke.

Not really anything new to be honest, we know Sakura still loves Sasuke, she's a bit (allot) stupid like that, Kishi seems to throw women who want to love him and people who want to help the bloke yet he hasn't done anything to earn that level of loyalty. We see Naruto who's group of people that are loyal to him and know why, yet Sasuke annoys me...Why couldn't Sasuke die and Itachi survive?!

My main qualm like before is Sakura's confession, Did she mean it or not? And if not why did she say it? why make a false confession infront of everyone? This doesn't make sense to me at all, to me you only confess to someone if you are genuine otherwise you don't make the confession. She knows Naruto still loves her knows her better than anyone else on the planet, same way she knows him better than anyone else. So she would have known Naruto would call her out on it.

I'm starting to think Kishi likes to read his female main charactor gets bashed, because she's going to get allot of hatred aimed at her for lying about loving Naruto, (Which not confirmed but most are going to assume it was false.) And Kishi has gone so far to redeem her charctor from the first part, as the constant Naruto beating, harsh words and willingness to abandon her village for Sasuke did allot of damage to her charactor. She has to be the worst treated lead female charactor by an author i've seen in a while.

[ciardha]

I don't see it as quite that casual. She knows that Danzo has already had Sasuke marked for death, and now she has learned that her peers, the people who know Sasuke best, have come to the same conclusion. It is a done deal, regardless of what she thinks. That leaves her with three choices: join Sasuke ( ), do nothing/sob in a tent, or do it herself.

This reminded me of a line from Heinlein's Starship Troopers: "If it has to be done, a man --a real man-- shoots his own dog himself; he doesn't hire a proxy who may bungle it." So you may feel that it does not have to be done (yet), but I think it is reasonable that Sakura (without the benefit of reading the Part II chapters involving Sasuke) would think that it does need to happen.

Oh, and I agree that even if Naruto thinks that there is no hope for Sasuke, he will make the attempt anyways. (Naruto will remember Iruka helping him when everyone else considered him a lost cause. Or how people felt that there was nothing more to Gaara than the monster.)

But the difference is that when Naruto and Gaara were shown they had a choice they took it. Sasuke has been shown and knows fully well he has had numerous chances to take a different path, but look what he's said to Naruto and Sakura and to Gaara in part 2 when questioned about his path. Sasuke lives only for hate and violence against anyone that stands in the way of his love affair with hatred. This has gone way beyond even his consuming vengence aganist Itachi. He's actually now made himself a person more consumed by darkness than even Orochimaru, even Madara spoke to Zetsu about Sasuke as if he was a mad dog.

Another comparison that fits is Sasuke is like the Kyuubi when it attacked Konoha. Sasuke wants to destroy Konoha and kill lots of people, not just Danzo and the Elders.

The Starship Troopers line sounds very close to what Sakura feels. Sasuke is a rabid dog that endangers everyone, better he's taken down by someone that cares about him that will give him a swift and as painless a death as possible.

[GoNeKr@zY]

EVERYONE! DON'T PANIC!

[dl316bh]

I think the thing that may be lost here a bit is that quite a few of the readers are young. Even some adults aren't completely aware of what love is or how it works, so the teen audience sure isn't going to. If anything, that's something in Naruto's favor; it's two leads are so mature for their age that they may as well be adults (well, except for when Naruto BAAAAAAAW's over Sasuke). But that doesn't mean that everyone who reads it is going to have the experience in life to pick up on these things.

Oi, I thought Batman was totally against using firearms.

He is. The history of that is a story in and of itself though. He was actually created packing heat and used a firearm for a while. The "no guns" rule didn't come into play until an editor was apalled by the character using a machine gun to mow down a group of Hugo Strange's Monster Men. It's been a pretty big fixture ever since.

Also, there's a laser coming out of that gun, so by the absurd standards of censors, that seems to have made it okay. XD

Awesome posts, though. You really made me crack up with the absurdness. XDDD

Glad to hear I made you laugh. I wasn't about to just let the thread turn into angst, so, well, I cut it off at the pass. Seemed to work pretty good.

I love Batman. I'd also recommend Batgirl: Year One, if you haven't read it yet (I suspect you may have).

Aww yeah, Batman! Yup, I've read some of the Year One's Chuck Dixon did. I had the Nightwing one in trade on my shelf. Actually... if I'm being brutally honest with you, half my bookcases are filled with Batman trades as compared to anything else. The only thing that comes close to the amount I have of Batman are volumes of "The Punisher".

I'm such a fanboy, I admit it.

Now you have me thinking of Naruto and Sakura in black leather (ala The Matrix).

Dude, if I had any photoshop skills at all, I would have taken fanart of Naruto and Sakura kissing, cropped it and put it over the head of Black Lantern Martian Manhunter to make Black Lantern NaruSaku, just to make the post complete.

Good thing Madara didn't think to team up with the Cobra Commander, otherwise he would already have won! (with his plan to use his special jutsu on the moon)

Oh man. Even GI Joe couldn't withstand such a team-up. America would be doomed!

Luckily, that crisis never came to pass, or else Naruto would have had quite the abrupt end...

This is why I think books like Batman give a bad message.

That quote wasn't from the books, it was from one of the films, "The Dark Knight".

Edited by dl316bh, 04 December 2009 - 06:29 PM.

[Smiter]

I think we're all quite calm here now, Krazy. XD

*gives Krazy an ice-cold bottle of beer*

To Harry4e, the only part of the manga that I've seen, where Sakura could possibly have tipped her crush feelings for Sasuke towards love, is the bench scene. If you remember the original confession Sakura made in Part One, she admitted that she and Sasuke never spent any time together at the academy. They had never got to know each other before they became Team 7. They also did not spend a lot of time together outside of missions.

Then we have the bench scene, where Naruto takes on the role of Sakura's "prince". He played the part to perfection, telling Sakura exactly what she wanted to hear. As far as we know, Sakura is none-the-wiser about the bench scene and thinks that it had shown a softer part to Sasuke, revealing feelings for her that did not actually exist.

Oh boy, Naruto is a dead man when Sakura finds out.

Since the bench, Sasuke hasn't shown her an iota of romantic feeling. However, he did gradually warm to her as a friend/family, and he even protects her. Sakura is of course very caring and protective about Sasuke (and later Naruto), and she had possibly hoped she might see another glimpse of the boy she met on the bench.

I'm not saying Sakura will drop Sasuke like a stone when she finds out, she is not that kind of girl. She cares so much for him, even though he has done so much wrong. However, everything would begin to make sense for Sakura. Maybe her confused feelings about both boys would start to clear. I just hope Naruto is still alive after the inevitable beating she'll give him for tricking her.

[Hak]

EVERYONE! DON'T PANIC!

Awesome! Lightens the mood immediately! Loved the Free Willy scene!

I think the thing that may be lost here a bit is that quite a few of the readers are young. Even some adults aren't completely aware of what love is or how it works, so the teen audience sure isn't going to. If anything, that's something in Naruto's favor; it's two leads are so mature for their age that they may as well be adults (well, except for when Naruto BAAAAAAAW's over Sasuke). But that doesn't mean that everyone who reads it is going to have the experience in life to pick up on these things.

I think that aside from age that nationality makes some big differences how people view and understand Naruto and construction of NS relationship and the maturing of the chracters!
Speaking of chracters, seeing their occupation it demands quick maturing seeing the Wave-, Chuunin exams- and Sound/Suna invasion arcs as the turning points of how to view their lives forward of them. It really is sad that I saw Naruto really mature from the beginning of part 2 and now I feel that he's been fallen close to what he was in part 1. This is also the reason why I don't watch the anime anymore, the writers of those outside storyline (sorry forgot the real word...) just seem to make Narutos character (and also others) much more immature that they are portrayed in the manga. Also my dislike of Sasukes character seems to relate how Sakura and especially Naruto still sees him. Aside the fact that It's been more than 3 years since Sasuke left Konoha


I know lots of yare yare...

[ciardha]

I think the thing that may be lost here a bit is that quite a few of the readers are young. Even some adults aren't completely aware of what love is or how it works, so the teen audience sure isn't going to. If anything, that's something in Naruto's favor; it's two leads are so mature for their age that they may as well be adults (well, except for when Naruto BAAAAAAAW's over Sasuke). But that doesn't mean that everyone who reads it is going to have the experience in life to pick up on these things.

Also remember Kishimoto is a 35 year old man, married and has at least one child (a daughter) He's writing about teenagers from the perspective of someone close to 20 years their senior. I know to expect in more serious dramatic manga like Naruto- especially the second part of the manga, teenage characters will act in large part not like teens but like someone who is closer to the age of the mangaka, just with a few more teenish quirks. Sakura most the time acts more like a woman in her mid-late 20's, Naruto has been a bit more teenish but since his Sage training he's also been coming across part of the time more like someone in their mid-late 20's, still less domonantly so than Sakura though.

Nice brief website on prefrontal brain development in teens and 20's

http://hrweb.mit.edu...dult/brain.html

Edited by ciardha, 04 December 2009 - 08:41 PM.