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[Smiter]

Wow, what a chapter. I'm glad I decided not to read this week's spoilers!

Hinata confession was so sudden, wasn't it? I'm not worried about NaruHina happening since it's still all one-sided, but it was nice to see Hinata found her spine while Naruto was away. It would be a terrible pity if she died, but she HAS to die. Otherwise it would be another Gaara moment and further weaken Kishimoto as a storyteller. You don't just slam Hinata into the ground with a force push, stab her at point-blank range, have Pain remember it was how his parents died, and have her miraculously live.

Still, if Hinata dies, NejiHina will evaporate. Damn, damn, damn.

I doubt it, even if she does live. To be honest, that would make no sense from any standpoint. When you think about it in terms of a writer, if that was what was going to happen, it would have been developed that way. He'd either have to spend an asinine amount of space developing it from here on since he did nothing of the sort for over four hundred chapters, which is just not feasible in a shounen manga, or just take a swig of whiskey, slap them together for no good reason and call it a day; and that's just downright terrible writing.

I think some of you guys are making too much of this. The confession had to happen. When it did, all Naruto was concerned with was "stop he's too powerful for you run".

Agreed. I would add that Naruto was rather shocked at her confession, because he had no clue anyone would have those kind of feelings for him (even though he's probably fantasised a lot about Sakura confessing to him ). He's never been perceptive when it comes to girls, bless him.

We've been comfortable too long with how peaceful Konoha has been. They're been threats, people get injured, but everything works itself right and eventually everyone comes home. Kishi, is telling us, that's not happening anymore. The comfort zone, we've all built up, he decided to bring that crumbling down.

I mean Asuma was the first. But that lost wasn't so bad. He was a character a lot of people loved, but his lost wouldn't touch us all so much. Jiraiya, that was the first one that really got our attention. Then Shizune, death comes from left field. And now Hinata.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I hate to say it but we are in unknown territory now. Kansas has gone bye-bye...

Exactly! This is the reason why so many of us are hooked on this arc. If Hinata does die, then nobody is safe. I would even fear a little for Sakura's safety. It looks like Kishimoto is trying to drive Naruto into the darkness as deep as he can go. Konoha has been 90% nuked (now that I think of it, his apartment and Ichiraku have probably gone bye-bye as well). He recently lost Jiraiya. Now he seems to have lost one of his friends. Who or what can possibly stop Kyuubi Naruto on his rampage? It's possible that this might be the last time we see Naruto go Kyuubi in his rage.

Hmm, Naruto does still have one Sage clone left. I wonder if a heavy dose of natural chakra would help calm him down? If I remember correctly, Naruto loses control in Kyuubi mode because he's completely overwhelmed by the Kyuubi's chakra. Maybe natural chakra would be like dousing a fire with water.

If Kishimoto does continue to write strongly, then I'll definitely be avoiding any more chapter spoilers so I can fully enjoy each week's release.

[Jenskott]

Sigh.

When I saw the cover, I guessed the first spoiler was true after all.

STILL it feels completely out of place, but I won't argue about it now.

I agree with everybody here. After this, Hinata shoulde die and stay dead. I don't hate it, but... come on! She's fullfilled her purpose. She has gathered courage, changed herself and confessed Naruto. Technically, she has fullfilled her purpose like a character and has gone out with a bang.

Besides, if he doesn't plan a NaruHina end, it gives that pairing's fans a modicum of solace: even if they don't end up together, she confessed and she did something for Naruto.

If she's brought back to life. Then what? She is neither powerful nor important. She's barely participated in the plots. If she's relived, it'd be for introudcing tension between Naruto and Sakura or for making NaruHina canon. Thus, making her change useless. Her only reason for existing would be hooking up with Naruto. She wouldn't even need spending time with Naruto, or getting along with him.

Anyway, if she lives, it doesn't mean NaruHina will happen. And if it happens... oh, well. I wouldn't understand why Kishimoto spent so long developing NAturo and Sakura's relationship if he didn't plan making something with it. And why he would barely touch Naruto and Hinata's relationship if he planned getting them together. The last time Hinata showed up, he did NOTHING with them.

Nonetheless, this argument is quite pointless without knowing what he's planning or what will befall in the next chapters. And always have I found shipping arguments absurd.

When I began reading Naruto, I thought it was obvious there would be a NaruSaku end. My opinion got reinforced throughout the series. When the Sasuke vs Itachi arc began, I got introduced to fandom, and I was shocked of learning many people thought NaruHina was canon, and I was unsurprised of more people got swayed to NaruSaku side throughout the time.

So let's calm down everyone, ignore the rage of the shippers, read the chapters and see how it pans out.

However we have to admit something: like or love it, but Kishimoto knows how getting people interested.

[Dormin]

Exactly! This is the reason why so many of us are hooked on this arc. If Hinata does die, then nobody is safe. I would even fear a little for Sakura's safety. It looks like Kishimoto is trying to drive Naruto into the darkness as deep as he can go. Konoha has been 90% nuked (now that I think of it, his apartment and Ichiraku have probably gone bye-bye as well). He recently lost Jiraiya. Now he seems to have lost one of his friends. Who or what can possibly stop Kyuubi Naruto on his rampage? It's possible that this might be the last time we see Naruto go Kyuubi in his rage.

Hrmm I wouldn't don't take it too far, although Kishi is indeed killing some char, I don't see him going on a murder spree.
Whatever he is doing it's still light-harted series, and it should stay that way.

non the less, I couldn't agree more with Jenk, Hinata should die because she truly fulfiled her mission in those action.

[Jenskott]

One thing I have just realized: Hinata's new jutsu is NOT the technique we saw in the fillers.

Once again, Kishimoto completely disregards the fillers. Let's be grateful for that.

[Fox-And-Flower]

hmm, to be honest i liked this chapter. it was great to see hinata finaly grow a backbone X3 i dont like naruhina at all, but i love the way she confessed, and the way she stepped in was awesome! >< and look at it this way, even if she lives, it doesnt mean naruhina will happen. he could say that he doesnt feel the same way, but they could become closer friends^^ also if naruto's gone 6-tails, then i think its time for sakura to step in

and if anyone is worried about naruto's reaction to the confession, dont be, i mean the guy has never had anyone say they love him. ever. it was probably a real shock to him^^

[krazzedkyubbi]

Even though Hinata confessed, I still think that will amount to nothing. I know that Naruto will more than likely take her feelings into consideration. But, it seems like most people are forgetting that Naruto has loved Sakura since the begininng of the manga. It would be awfully hard to just forget that all of the sudden. I believe that the Sakura arc will be training and searching her feelings out for Naruto and Sasuke.

Conversely, if NaruHina happens I suppose I can live with it. I never really had an issue with Hinata. But, I see soooo many hints for NaruSaku to be ignored. Why would Kishi build all that up just to knock it back down? Remember what J-man said? He will succeed where I failed. He never got Tsunade, but Naruto will get the girl he loves, I.E Sakura.

[Xyanide]

I'm still going
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Hinata confessed, prolly died, and Naruto went 6 tailed?

@ Kishi --Click here to view--

[Paptala]

But unlike DBZ, the main character does not already have a crush/love on someone else. Goku thought honeymoon was food! I doubt he had any romantic interests in anything at the time too. Whereas Naruto already had an interest in Sakura so things may not be as clear cut as you think it is.

Very true. I didn't think of it from that perspective. I feel a bit better now.

and if anyone is worried about naruto's reaction to the confession, dont be, i mean the guy has never had anyone say they love him. ever. it was probably a real shock to him

This is actually one of the main points I wanted to bring up. Think about it, its really likely that no one has told Naruto that they loved him before. The first person to tell you they loved you bing killed right in front of your eyes? As sad as that is, don't you think that would push anyone over the edge?

Also, take a look at page 14 of 437

Condensed to Save Space --Click here to view--

Notice the growing puddle of blood under Hinata's prone body? I'd say thats a pretty good sign she's dead. There was no growing puddle of blood beneath Chouji, Neji, or Gaara.

Also, depending on what the kanji means at the top of the page (though it most likely is the SF (?) for 'stab'), the situation could change as well.

[Hak]

My few thoughts about the chapter, past and future. I'm not sure but could those words "I love you" what hinata (or what ever it is really written in the japanese version, I don't make any assumptions) said be the first real words of any affection that Naruto receives, well maybe out of the Sandaime? That could also explain the fast change to Kyuubi, because someone you never really knew comes and tells you that you have been a big boost to me in my life.
EDIT: Looks like I wasn't first to think about this, Damn I'm slow writer when I use english...
Now when I have said that, I have a feeling we are seeing one last major Naru/Hina scene and that is a talk between Naruto who's in coma after the battle and Hinata who is waiting to the access to the afterlife, just like Kakashi and Sakumo were having a talk before.

I have to say that I'm starting to be pretty dissapointed about the way how most of Narutos battles are going. I just hate the way how Naruto is always pressed to the point where he has to depend majorly to Kyuubis powers. The only battles that didn't go this way are agains Kiba in the prelims. and the Kakuzu fight. Well against Sasuke and Neji he was in control but still. For me it's like I've seen someones to complain about Narutos overusage of Rasengan and Kage Bunshin.
Now I really hope that in this fight Naruto has at least some control about kyuubimode and not just berserk fight like he had against Oro.

Edited by Hak, 27 February 2009 - 02:08 PM.

[Candice]

Spoiler --Click here to view--

Major blow for NaruSaku fans, probably worse when he turned into 6 tails. Although, this isn't something that should be surprising, I mean if it was anyone else associated to Naruto (since Naruto treats most people he meets as close friends, even in fillers) would of changed to 6 tails anyways, he has not seen a loved one killed in front of him yet and so if it was Sakura he would probably go 9 tail on Pain. Well that's what I want to believe

[Codus N]

http://mangahelpers....194#post1244194
Truesensei never ceases to surprise me. He may be an NH shipper, but he can be VERY impartial about this chapter. He even helped me understand a lil' bit about NH shippers' POV

[Kyuudaime]

Aside from the fact that translations really just depend on how the translator interprets it, it's pretty dumb, if you ask me, to say the a teenager has the ability to fully understand what love means, and can say it with 100% confindence.
NO teenager can comprehend the term "love."

Besides, like Kodachi said, I'm sure a a lot of people would go berserk over watching a woman die in front of them (unless they hated that woman).

[Hak]

Even though Hinata confessed, I still think that will amount to nothing. I know that Naruto will more than likely take her feelings into consideration. But, it seems like most people are forgetting that Naruto has loved Sakura since the begininng of the manga.

To this topic I found one Fanfiction.net author who has put some serious thought for main pairing in Naruto, of course it's about NaruSaku.
I found that at least mostly I agree with Him/Her and I don't want to just Copy-Paste it here (like I do a lot in my studies...) and also give the author the credits for it. So heres the link for it: http://www.fanfictio...9/Grey_Goose_74

[roninmedia]

You know, I'm wondering if the "I love you" bit wasn't something translated the way the translator wanted it to read.

I suspect that aswell

The raw has the term "daisuki" on that particular line. I've seen translators put it as "I really like you" to "I love you".

Edited by roninmedia, 27 February 2009 - 02:57 PM.

[Paptala]

To this topic I found one Fanfiction.net author who has put some serious thought for main pairing in Naruto, of course it's about NaruSaku.
I found that at least mostly I agree with Him/Her and I don't want to just Copy-Paste it here (like I do a lot in my studies...) and also give the author the credits for it. So heres the link for it: http://www.fanfictio...9/Grey_Goose_74

I agree with a lot of this author's points too. However, it would have been a better arguement if the author lost the offensive attitude. Degrading your readers is not the way to convince people, it just makes you look immature.

I understand this person is frustrated, but still.

[Derock]

Exactly! This is the reason why so many of us are hooked on this arc. If Hinata does die, then nobody is safe. I would even fear a little for Sakura's safety. It looks like Kishimoto is trying to drive Naruto into the darkness as deep as he can go. Konoha has been 90% nuked (now that I think of it, his apartment and Ichiraku have probably gone bye-bye as well). He recently lost Jiraiya. Now he seems to have lost one of his friends. Who or what can possibly stop Kyuubi Naruto on his rampage? It's possible that this might be the last time we see Naruto go Kyuubi in his rage.

Hmm, Naruto does still have one Sage clone left. I wonder if a heavy dose of natural chakra would help calm him down? If I remember correctly, Naruto loses control in Kyuubi mode because he's completely overwhelmed by the Kyuubi's chakra. Maybe natural chakra would be like dousing a fire with water.

If Kishimoto does continue to write strongly, then I'll definitely be avoiding any more chapter spoilers so I can fully enjoy each week's release.

Well, I won't. Spoilers have no effect on me. And thank God I'm not the only person thinks that not only Ichiraku is gone but also his apartment. Poor Naruto and others are now homeless!

[Vyse]

Ok, I couldn't bring myself to read all the pages here just yet, but here's my thoughts about this chapter.

Some of you may already know that I'm not Hinata's biggest fan. I have a tendency to find characters like Hinata repugnant, mostly because they start out having so much potential as a character, only to disappoint in the end by turning into just another (barely) side character. Hinata should have had more character development, because she would have been a great character, yet Kishi somehow forgot all about the rest of the rookies after the Chuunin exam-arc, but that's to be expected as they no longer matter as much.
However, she has had virtually no character development. She was a stuttering mess in part one, slowly growing into herself as a kunoichi in the arc mentioned above, and in part two... well, nothing seemed to have changed. She was still the dull stalker-character harboring a crush on the main protagonist, while Sakura had shown tremendous change since the start of the manga. My heart beats for NaruSaku, and part two was doing a good job to help me with this as far as I'm concerned.

So, this chapter... Hinata magically pulls off years of character development in a couple of panels, and grows a spine strong enough to make even Kimimaro jealous. She finally tells Naruto her feelings, which has been a moment we all knew would show up at some point anyway, and she shows a side of herself that I didn't believe existed: the strong kunoichi.

She flew at Pain with everything she had, knowing that she didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of surviving, yet she did it. That takes some serious brass to pull off, and she impressed me greatly. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I don't really mind the idea of Naruto with THAT Hinata-character anymore, since she's completely different from the meek stuttering mess I used to hate. This is how Hinata was supposed to be, and she turned into this to protect the person most precious to her. She changed herself for Naruto in part one, and now she did it again, possibly at the cost of her own life.

If Hinata did die in this chapter, I will actually feel bad. She needed closure, and to get everything off her chest. She got to tell him how she felt, yet she might have died before he could ever tell her that they would never work out (lol, or whatever Kishi would have written). It's sad, but now Naruto is prepared to give everything in this battle as well. I'm not sure what to think about his transformation into hollow-Kyuubi (rokubi?), but I can tell you that it helped set the mood here. Kyuubi can manipulate Naruto the best when the boy is angry, and now he managed to push out SIX of his tails... how pissed is Naruto? The only problem I see here is that Naruto is more or less lost in his bloodlust now, and won't care what he kills as long as it's his to kill. Thankfully, Nagato's body seems like a good place to start.

The only think I'm afraid of, is that Hinata will be the one to break Naruto out of his six tailed state, where Sakura couldn't pull him out of his four tailed state. The bonds between them we, as NaruSaku fans, brag so much about, will live or die at that point. Will Hinata manage to pull him out of his blind rage? Will she succeed where Sakura failed, basically ensuring NaruHina once and for all?

I'll tell you right now: Only time and Kishi knows!! There's nothing we can do to change anything here anyway, so why not let Kishi tell his story and see what he'll do with it? I like to read crack pairings more than canon pairings anyway.

You can take the NaruSaku away from the fans, but you can't take the fans away from the NaruSaku. The fanfiction is going to stay no matter what happens, and we can make doujins and fanart to help us live happily in denial long after Naruto ends if our ship doesn't reach the port, so let's wait until then... calmly!

The shipping war might end next week, after all these years. Let's cross our fingers for NaruSaku, shall we?

[Destiny]

+Blinks+

Guys. I'm HAPPY for Hinata. She finally got up the courage to say it. And I mean, let's be honest, Naruto would have been captured. This could have been her last chance to say or do anything. And she's trying to repay him for everything he's done for her. I'm really happy for her.

And Naruto... I'm utterly depressed. I really need Sakura to talk him down ASAP. Maybe she developed a jutsu... (not likely, f- kishi in that respect.) I want Sakura to come in and comfort him so bad right now. It's making my stomach hurt. I feel like he just lost everything, I think everything just hit him. Completely.

I NEED next chapter like Lindsey Lohan needs her crack.

Edited by Destiny, 27 February 2009 - 06:17 PM.

[Nee-sama]

One thing I havn't seen anyone mention in this 6pg thread so far is the fact that Naruto EXPLODED into 4tail form. That person screaming is Naruto as his flesh is incinerated (but thankfully his cool hokage outfit is unharmed..) and a fox skeleton supported only by bloody chakra grows around his body. And Pain still has the balls to say his pain is greater..

I just wonder if Pain will still have enough chakra to beat Naruto in round 2, and Then also abduct him away from Konoha...
Of all the people we could potentially see jump into this fight I still predict to see Madara at some point, cuz you Know he's somewhere watching all of this, or his spy birds are around...

Anyway, I can't wait to see where all of this goes. I'm not going to piss and moan if the story doesn't go *my way* because there's nothing that Kishi can do to make me stop reading