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#101 No WhereMan

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Posted 02 June 2006 - 06:24 PM

QUOTE (gamerman_007 @ Jun 2 2006, 05:59 PM)
They're rooting for this? Sadly though, this is a possibility. Kishi could be pulling this.

But now, we should all smile that the sasusaku ship is up victoria falls without a boat and has an anchor tied to its leg.

Amd what about naruhina? i wonder, should it even be considered for the canon debate?


Well I didn't say they were rooting for it, I said they should . Who knows what goes on in the minds of a true SasuSaku shipper.

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Posted 02 June 2006 - 09:18 PM

(NO OFFENSE TO ANY SAKUSASU FANS HERE!!!!)

OMFG! Guess what! I went on a forum on FF.net and there was Sakura pairings and there were still SakuSasu fans who READ the 2nd part of the manga! Seriously SakuSasu fans, Titanic has sunk and there are not a lot of lifeboats left if not any. And they said that

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"Hey! Guess what! I DO read the Japanese translations! And I still don't really see the pairing happening. And I have a question? When did Sakura try to kill him? If you're talking about in chapter 308 then maybe you should go back and read. She says she wants to STOP him that does not mean kill him. Sakura would never try to kill Sasuke (unless there was no hope whats-oh-ever to bring him back, which there still is) just like she would never try to kill Naruto. I'm one of many who still believe Sakura is in love with Sasuke. But there are a lot of people that don't, like you. But if Sakura isn’t in love with him, she still would do everything in her power to bring him back a live. He was her teammate and kinda sorta friend/old crush."


They sorta made us sound like a SakuSasu or NaruHina type fan. Wah! Anyway can someone explain why ppl still cling on to this?
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 01:13 AM

QUOTE (gamerman_007 @ Apr 20 2006, 02:28 AM)
Ive got frogonsnakeonmonkeyonslug action in mah head. It a nasty pic.
As for shino, i say hinata. Both are quiet. Makes sense.


that is nasty pic were the hell did you find the pic?

I be there in 2 months YAAY!

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 02:10 AM

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(NO OFFENSE TO ANY SAKUSASU FANS HERE!!!!)

OMFG! Guess what! I went on a forum on FF.net and there was Sakura pairings and there were still SakuSasu fans who READ the 2nd part of the manga! Seriously SakuSasu fans, Titanic has sunk and there are not a lot of lifeboats left if not any. And they said that


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"Hey! Guess what! I DO read the Japanese translations! And I still don't really see the pairing happening. And I have a question? When did Sakura try to kill him? If you're talking about in chapter 308 then maybe you should go back and read. She says she wants to STOP him that does not mean kill him. Sakura would never try to kill Sasuke (unless there was no hope whats-oh-ever to bring him back, which there still is) just like she would never try to kill Naruto. I'm one of many who still believe Sakura is in love with Sasuke. But there are a lot of people that don't, like you. But if Sakura isn’t in love with him, she still would do everything in her power to bring him back a live. He was her teammate and kinda sorta friend/old crush."


They sorta made us sound like a SakuSasu or NaruHina type fan. Wah! Anyway can someone explain why ppl still cling on to this?


It is obvious they are in denial because there's no way SS would happen now since Sasuke accepted his fate of Oro entering his body to gain more powerful. If its help to defeat Itachi then he's okay with that. Now what kind of crazy stuff is that. If you ask me, Naruto & Sakura might as well give up the whole "retrieving Sasuke" because he's far too gone & will only return on his own terms. Besides everytime Naruto tries to retrieve Sasuke by far, he always almost comes close to death, that proves Sasuke maybe to dangerous too around and according to Kakashi, his strieve for revenge could possibly get him killed and living a dark path where life may no longer be of importance to him once his revenge is complete. YET THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE PAIRING HIM UP WITH SOMEBODY ESPECIALLY SAKURA. I have no idea what kind of role he'll be playing apart from the villain however if Sasuke gets any worst, like destorying Konoha or attempt in killing someone both Naruto & Sakura holds precious (mostly each other), then they'll have no choice but to kill him in the end. th_cussing.gif

Meanwhile Konoha have their own problems with the Akatsuki attempting to cature Naruto. In order to maintain the safety of the village Tsunade oftens send Team Kakashi on various missions until Akatsuki is dealt with. I believe at some point of the story when either Naruto or Sakura is near death maybe one will confess and they could be a couple by the next arc. wub.gif
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 02:45 AM

^Could you please fix that link, I want to see. biggrin.gif

Anyway, I think that SS was an empty relationship, while Sakura was getting high off of hoping Sasuke would begin to like her. Naruto was working his butt off for her and she couldn't see it, till Sasuke left.

Thus far she has began to like Naruto and while the SS fans are holding on by a thread, hoping that Sasuke will come save the day and mend the thread into a rope and fall in love with Sakura. Even though even now the thread is slowly falling apart and some of the SS fans are taking the life boat and jumping onto NS, some are not believing that NaruSaku is most likely the future. And we all welcome with arms those who join the NaruSaku ship. And those who don't, if our ship becomes canon, will throw a fit.


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Posted 04 June 2006 - 03:35 AM

Yeah I wanna see it too! And thx for the explanation. I just can't see why ppl are in such denial. Anyway hopefully before the end of the manga the SakuSau/NaruHina fans will be nothing more than the past.... -grabs Sakura petals and watch as they float away- (Not literally... I wish though) Anyway I agree that Sasuke is going crazy. I think he crossed the line of obsession at age 12. Still I never liked tragedies so hopefully Sasuke-teme/kun will come back. And maybe then NAru-kun will get the recognition he deserves.
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE (gamerman_007 @ May 11 2006, 08:18 PM)
gai x woman? ROFLLOL!!! Im just wondering, where in the manga did naruto ask sakura for a date?


Like after they return from the Wave Country.
Then after watching Sasuke & Naruto fighting, Sakura ask Naruto out to tell him about the curse seal.
Kakashi leaves the two so he doesn't pay for their meal, Naruto ask Sakura & she accepts.
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 08:37 PM

Yeah Sasuke is totally f-ed up right now. mellow.gif

But if Sasuke was brought back to Konoha when he didn't want to go back, would he probably try to leave again to gain power? And if he couldn't escape, you think he would even kill the people of Konoha just to get away? :blink: This is just a question out of curiosity.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:12 PM

^

Yeah, there's really no question there. He's fallen to an all new low of stupidity, that means as he stated, he would do anything to get his revenge. And that means, he would even kill Sakura and Naruto, if they were to get in his way. dry.gif


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Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:38 PM

True..He really did f-ck up. He's waaaaay to obsessed for power. Poor Sasuke. ANyway I sorta have mixed feelings for him returning. So yeah.....
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 10:16 PM

I for one do think he is cute. But evil :devil: But I would too. I don't think Sakura would continue her obsession, even if he did come back. She's become so attatched to Naruto, if he came back, Sasuke would be unhappy, because he was brought back, and no one loves him. So he's better off with Oro. And Naruto is better off with out him, because he has other friends and Sakura. And Sasuke was an unhealthy obsession for her and Naruto. So their better off being together.


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Posted 05 June 2006 - 02:49 PM

I think Sakura's feelings will change over time. But not right away. But what I get from some people is that her feelings wont change and that I dont understand that Naruto's feelings can change. But I very well understand that Naruto's feelings could change over time. I just dont think that he would then go for Hinata. I think he just wouldn't end up with anyone if he didn't get Sakura. Because he would fine as long as he knew that Sakura was happy.

But that doesn't mean people need to automatically put Naruto with no one and give Sakura to Sasuke. Because then you have to take into account Sasuke's feelings. He has stated that he considers Naruto and Sakura as family. Naruto like a brother and Sakura like a sister. I dont think he has romantic feelings for her. And its true his feelings could change over time, too. I just feel its least likely for his feelings to change, though. He's so gung-ho on revenge at the moment and he stated that revenge was all he had left. But of course he could be lying. But he did seem pretty eager to kill them until Oro arrived.

This has been stated so many times, but I'll repeat it. From the beginning Sakura hated Naruto. Over time her feelings changed. She then decided that Naruto wasn't annoying and began to respect him. They became really good friends. Best friends even, maybe. Sasuke and Sakura changed a great deal, too. But not as drastic as Naruto and Sakura's. Most say that they can just be really good friends. But I feel Naruto and Sakura's relationship will continue to grow and Sakura may even fall in love with Naruto and find him as a possible love interest. Since Kishi said we are 2/5 done with the manga, it'll take a while for pairings to actually go into place since he wants to go into the next generation. But i'll be rooting for NaruSaku and those other pairings I hope are going to happen. tongue.gif

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Posted 07 June 2006 - 02:05 AM

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It would actually be ironic if Sakura was the one to contribute to the NaruHina ship in the end- I'd silently laugh at some of the BS NaruSaku shippers ( some of them actually have valid points, but others have the most ridiculous proof and arugments EVER).

But now that I notice it, Sakura probably did imply to Naruto that Hinata had a crush on her, because Sakura had a little knowing smile on her face. I would think Sakura would think NaruHina would be really cute, and she may actually them hook up.
Or on the other hand, we can have the insanely jealous b*tch that Filler! Sakura was when Naruto noticed Sasame. But then again, Filler! Sakura may have been jealous because of her obvious lesbian feelings towards Sasame ( Gawd, the fillers suck)
And I don't think I even have to talk about the hospital bed scene.
And the scene where Lee-san told Sasuke that he couldn't beat the sound ninja in the forest of death was almost like saying, " Yeah, I still love Sakura but you are the one who protected her and holds her heart, so take good care of it."
So these next couple of chapters will be interesting if a SakuNaruHina love triangle begins to form...


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Exactly. I think a lot of fans are totally dismissing all the facts and hints that were laid down in part 1 and saying "Well, that was 2.5 years ago, the kids were silly back then".
It would be an insult to Sakura's character to fall out of love with Sasuke. I know it sounds silly, but he was her only motivation to get stronger. Yes, she said she would save both Sasuke and Naruto...but does anyone remember the forest of death scene? Sakura vowed that she would stop watching their backs and well...she didn't quite do that. Sakura still did not try to improve her fighting or be more active in missions after that...she truly had no triggering motivation.
But then Sasuke, her love left her...and that's when she gained motivation.
The strength of her love drove her motivation to become strong enough to rescue him.
Plus, imagine how guilty Naruto would feel if he ended up with Sakura. He knows that she was, and probably still is, in love with Sasuke, and would not stoop to stealing his best friend's girl. At this point in time, the only thing Naruto cares about his saving him and gaining the strength to do so. I also think Naruto has been kind of self-conscious about the new attention Sakura has been showing him- he almost seems uncomfortable, as if she is invading his space. In this desperate time, the last thing Naruto needs is to have the girl who once loved his best friend only have eyes for him when he is trying to save that best friend.
And Sakura knows she doesn't deserve him.
If NaruSaku was going to happen, it would've began in part 1. And I'm not talking about Sakura starting to respect Naruto in part 1, I'm talking about the base hints of her actually being in love with him.
Which are not there.


I'd like to see people's opinion on this.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 06:19 AM

Hoo boy. *rolls up sleeves*

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It would actually be ironic if Sakura was the one to contribute to the NaruHina ship in the end- I'd silently laugh at some of the BS NaruSaku shippers ( some of them actually have valid points, but others have the most ridiculous proof and arugments EVER).


As opposed to the NaruHina camp, whose ironclad, impenetrable "proof" consists of a completely one-sided crush that has NEVER been reciprocated, and scenes from sh*tty filler episodes that have zero basis in canon. Next.

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I would think Sakura would think NaruHina would be really cute, and she may actually them hook up.


I would think Sakura is too busy worrying about Sasuke going evil and Naruto getting killed by Kyuubi to worry about such trivial matters.

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So these next couple of chapters will be interesting if a SakuNaruHina love triangle begins to form...


Yes, if Hinata had even the tiniest iota of relevance to the current story arc, which she does not. Even on the off, off, off, off chance that Team 8 backs up Team Yamato on their next excursion, Naruto has FAR more pressing concerns than hooking up with a stalkerish epileptic girl he has barely interacted with in his entire life.

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Exactly. I think a lot of fans are totally dismissing all the facts and hints that were laid down in part 1 and saying "Well, that was 2.5 years ago, the kids were silly back then".


No, they were KIDS back then. Who in the hell has the exact same personality, likes and dislikes, and CRUSHES at age 15 that they had at age 12? I certainly didn't. In adolescence, three years is a damned long time. When I was 12, I wore baggy jeans, listened to gangsta rap and crushed on a dumb jock. When I was 15, I wore fishnets and feather boas and sat on a goth boy's lap in the schoolyard. Guess what? It's called GROWING UP. And believe it or not, change is a by-product of that.

Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke are not the same people they were pre-timeskip. Hinata apparently is, but that's because she has virtually no relevance in the greater scheme of things--she can afford to stay a one-note character.

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It would be an insult to Sakura's character to fall out of love with Sasuke.


It would be an insult to Sakura's character for her to keep mooning after a boy who has made it adamantly clear she has no place in his life (and oh yeah, also kind of tried to kill her) as if she were still some idiot twelve-year-old incapable of growth or change.

I'm unable to grasp why Sakura can't simply want to bring Sasuke, her friend and teammate and inspiration, home without some dopey romantic attachment involved on her behalf.

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But then Sasuke, her love left her...and that's when she gained motivation. The strength of her love drove her motivation to become strong enough to rescue him.


And of course, Naruto's failure to retrieve Sasuke and his promise to her in the face of said failure had aaaaabsolutely no bearing on this whatsoever. Because it's not like Sakura has ever drawn strength or inspiration from Naruto, ever. Oh, wait.

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Plus, imagine how guilty Naruto would feel if he ended up with Sakura. He knows that she was, and probably still is, in love with Sasuke, and would not stoop to stealing his best friend's girl.


Please refresh my memory as to when Sakura was ever "Sasuke's girl" aside from in her own deluded intimacy-seeker mind.

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I also think Naruto has been kind of self-conscious about the new attention Sakura has been showing him- he almost seems uncomfortable, as if she is invading his space.


Are we even reading the same manga here?

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In this desperate time, the last thing Naruto needs is to have the girl who once loved his best friend only have eyes for him when he is trying to save that best friend.


The one thing Naruto needs more than ANYTHING right now is Sakura. Her strength, her support, her mad healing skillz, her friendship--and if it comes down to love, that too.

The kyuubi's seal is weakening, and Naruto is dangerously close to breaking. What he needs most is the support from those he's closest to, those he cares about the most--but let's do a brief roll call of those folk, shall we:
  • Iruka - back in Konoha, busy with his own duties
  • Kakashi - back in Konoha, laid up recovering from his last tango in Sunagakure
  • Jiraiya - preoccupied with Akatsuki surveillance
  • Sasuke - gone to the bad side and didn't leave a note, has effectively cut his friendship with Naruto in two (which he may have done to avoid killing him later, and yet most recently seemed to have no qualms about trying to cut Naruto's ass down with a giant f***ing SWORD)


Hmm, who does that leave? Sakura. His constant, his backup, really the only thing he can absolutely count on now.

The NaruHina Self-Delusion Squad can fantasize all they want about how Hinata will be the one to "share his pain" and "shoulder his burden," despite the fact she doesn't know kitten about his pain, his life, his feelings toward Sasuke, his burden of being human tupperware for an annihilation-happy demon that could very well KILL him. And yet she's so qualified to serve as the sympathetic shoulder, not the girl who has been by his side since day f***ing one as a genin and knows him better than anybody (except perhaps Jiraiya).

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If NaruHina was going to happen, it would've began in part 1. And I'm not talking about Naruto starting to respect Hinata in part 1, I'm talking about the base hints of him actually being in love with her.
Which are not there.


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Posted 08 June 2006 - 06:26 AM

actually I quite agree with what you said surlymoogle...

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Aethos @ Jun 7 2006, 11:26 PM)
actually I quite agree with what you said surlymoogle...


I know. You're braver than I to venture into the anti-NaruSaku FC and emerge without having bloodied every nose in the place--and not in the good way, either. nosebleed8rx.gif laugh.gif

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 06:49 AM

Well I wouldn't be stealthy if I broke every nose in there... laugh.gif

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 10:48 AM

Lol! You would, actually, remember when Naruto used the Sexy no Jutsu on the sandaime? No one noticed until later tongue.gif

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 01:36 PM

Surlymoogle... You win the internets.
Seriously good rebuttal on your part. However, these people will still be in denial until Sakura willingly takes her relationship with Naruto to the next level (and that's likely just holding hands, so don't think too far ahead tongue.gif ). When that happens, there'll be a HUGE Exodus and only the ones in deep-seated denial and the ones who still like the couple but know it isn't canon will be the people left on a very much empty ship.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 10:33 PM

-nods head- I agree with Surlymood in this one! I swear...The NaruHina fans and the SakuSasu fans are just as delirious as Sakura at age 12. I mean really! Whoever wrote that quote must be reading a different manga! Cuz is nothing so far I have heard in that uote that was rigght. Not one. And really! When has Sakura BEEN SASUKE"S GIRL?! The guy tried to freakn kill her!....Along with Naru-kun! B*****d.....Still almost all hope is lost for Sasuke to return.Even though I carry VERY LITTLE hope, I still think the Sasuke coming back ship is sinking. ANyway all they show off Hinata in Part 2 was her fainting. That's it. Now for the HinaNaruSaku triangle. Not gonna happen! Case closed. tongue.gif laugh.gif
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