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[Bail o' Lies]

@ Nar123

Why you so eager burning bridge with NS fandom ? Why you never thought about NS who still fight with their fan-art and fan-fiction ?

 

@ Bail o' Lies

If you still can made coherent statement, why you not helping proofreading NS fan-fiction or help them got more view in fanfiction.net by made got review or at least give them click ?

 

Pairing war can be fun as long as it only art realm, honestly in art realm NS still have a lot of potential. 

 

@ Yyubie

Why you so angry when I show you why NS purge from Naruto fandom goes smoothly according Kishi wish ?

*Should I start by editing your reply, so it has proper grammar?

 

Nar123. Why are you so eager to start burning bridges with the NS fandom? (When has Nar123 ever said that) Why aren't you thinking about the NS fans that still fight on with their fan art and fan fictions? (What does that have to do with anything?!)

 

Bail o' Lies if you can still make a coherent statement. Why don't you help proofread NS fan fiction*? Help them get more views on fanfiction.net. (There are more fan fiction sites then just fanfiction.net) By either making reviews or at the very least giving them a "click"? The Paring Wars can still be fun as long as it is only in the realm of fan art. To be honest in the "art realm" NS still has a lot of potential. 

 

...What "art realm" are you even talking about? Why are you even asking me about fan fiction? Also. THE PAIRING WARS WERE NEVER FUN!

 

Yyubie. Why are you so angry?(...cause your an annoying troll that doesn't answer questions when people ask them? Who won't go away cause your bored.) When all I do is show you why NS was purged from the Naruto fandom? (?) All of it is smoothly going according to Kishimoto's plans. (What plan? The plan where he keep stating he done with Naruto, and he handing off to his assistance because he is tried of Naruto?)

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 February 2016 - 05:33 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Person doesn't even realize that by being here and trolling this way, it's only showing more that even though the NH/SS side "won", its base knows deep down that they didn't truly "win" based on their own merits, but by Kishi's own words, only due to pity, so they simply don't have confidence in their "win" because things even now are still constantly contradicting them (the sudden extreme lack of Hinata presence since The Last, Naruto's big drop in popularity, etc.) with no way to reasonably refute those contradictions. They can't even find nearly as many NS fans "crying" or "being salty" over the ending (anymore at least) because most have either moved on and don't care anymore (so don't really bother arguing because they have better things to do), or are in fact glad that NS didn't happen now that they see what a hack sellout Kishi is and realize that even if NS had "won", based on how the War Arc was going and all, it would not have been done in a good way either. They would rather have NS not happen and be happy with fanfictions and fan art and such rather than be stuck with a crappy canon ending with no development, no meaning, and tons of contradictions to the lessons the story had tried to teach before.

[Advaith]

*Should I start by editing your reply, so it has proper grammar?

 

Nar123. Why are you so eager to start burning bridges with the NS fandom? (When has Nar123 ever said that) Why aren't you thinking about the NS fans that still fight on with their fan art and fan fictions? (What does that have to do with anything?!)

 

Bail o' Lies if you can still make a coherent statement. Why don't you help proofread NS fan fiction*? Help them get more views on fanfiction.net. (There are more fan fiction sites then just fanfiction.net) By either making reviews or at the very least giving them a "click"? The Paring Wars can still be fun as long as it is only in the realm of fan art. To be honest in the "art realm" NS still has a lot of potential. 

 

...What "art realm" are you even talking about? Why are you even asking me about fan fiction? Also. THE PAIRING WARS WERE NEVER FUN!

 

Yyubie. Why are you so angry?(...cause your an annoying troll that doesn't answer questions when people ask them? Who won't go away cause your bored.) When all I do is show you why NS was purged from the Naruto fandom? (?) All of it is smoothly going according to Kishimoto's plans. (What plan? The plan where he keep stating he done with Naruto, and he handing off to his assistance because he is tried of Naruto?)

 

 

Person doesn't even realize that by being here and trolling this way, it's only showing more that even though the NH/SS side "won", its base knows deep down that they didn't truly "win" based on their own merits, but by Kishi's own words, only due to pity, so they simply don't have confidence in their "win" because things even now are still constantly contradicting them (the sudden extreme lack of Hinata presence since The Last, Naruto's big drop in popularity, etc.) with no way to reasonably refute those contradictions. They can't even find nearly as many NS fans "crying" or "being salty" over the ending (anymore at least) because most have either moved on and don't care anymore (so don't really bother arguing because they have better things to do), or are in fact glad that NS didn't happen now that they see what a hack sellout Kishi is and realize that even if NS had "won", based on how the War Arc was going and all, it would not have been done in a good way either. They would rather have NS not happen and be happy with fanfictions and fan art and such rather than be stuck with a crappy canon ending with no development, no meaning, and tons of contradictions to the lessons the story had tried to teach before.

Out of likes

 

They don't care about morals,storytelling,developments,meanings,messages and contradictions.They only care about their abomination of a pairing and it's canon status.

 

THE PAIRING WARS WERE NEVER FUN!-I ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY THAT.

Edited by Advaith, 21 February 2016 - 07:03 PM.

[db84x]

Sorry but your attitude is really terrible, pairing war can be fun as long as it confined in fan-art and fan-fiction realm.  People like Konoha or LadyGT still fight for NS cause by their fan-art and fanfic, why you don't support their art ?

 

Honestly some terrorist have just cause but their act just made other people hate their cause.  NS actually have good potential in fan-art and fan-fiction realm but flame which created by focal minority make rest of Naruto fandom hesitant to access it.  

[Nar123]

Fanart and fanfiction aren't part of the pairing war, the pairing war was and is still build around arguments and evidence from the story

Fanart and fanfiction are things from the fans, they aren't part of the "war" and have no relevance in those awful arguments and flame wars that generally happened in tumblr and other forums

LadyGT moved on to better things, she doesn't draws Naruto all that often anymore because she recognized it's crap


So honestly you don't know what you are talking about

The Naruto "fandom" doesn't even exists anymore, what we have is a broken base

[NeonRanger]

db84x: A lot of people left the fandom because they are disappointed. I'm sorry, but how would you feel supporting NH for 7-10 years, making theories, buying volumes upon volumes, dedicating your time and effort into art and fanfictions than to other things that are more important, enduring all the bullying and being called delusional for supporting that ship, pretty much wasting your time on youor ship only to be proven wrong by not being canon, and being "proven right" by the opposing ones? And parings weren't the only issue why we are disappointed.  

 

Still even if plot holes were covered and dealt with. I would still be sad, just not as much, but I would have felt that I wasted my time supporting them. Like with HP. It's not like I regret shipping the couple, but everything I had to endure to get to the final destination of not being canon would be a slap in the face.

 

And fandoms only make it worse. Especially the Naruto and Bleach fandoms. No matter how much a ship makes no sense, people still continue to ship. You would have thought a ship that made most sense to the plot would be a popular ship compared to SNS and SS (any Sasuke ship for that matter). Even KakaIru and SasoSaku are one the most popular ships, any there hasn't been any credible communication of romance at all (though I can see some reason why someone would ship SasoSaku).

 

Anyway, your opinions are belittled an ignored in the Naruto fandom and you are walking though half centimeter glass because one unpopular opinion can break through an cut you deep. You don't know how many death treats I received because I hate SasuNaru. You can't expect a peaceful, active fandom if the fandom won't respect any opinion.

 

Naruto and very soon Bleach, because I was dedicated to both, are the last fandoms I will seriously get invested in. I will be in more fandoms, but I would never be as hardcore like I was before. Because in the end, you are left with the chance that you wasted all you're time or you are in the minority in opinions and it become less enjoyable because of rude fans.

 

Which is sad because between 2009-12, the Naruto fandom was enjoyable to be in. They were rude fans, but not enough to deter you from remaining in the fandom. 

Edited by NeonRanger, 22 February 2016 - 06:18 PM.

[Yyubie]

Lol keep feeding guys, i'm sure whatever shape of attention he can get will make him happy even if you mad at him.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

This make come of as an insult (but I mean no offense), I can't stop laughing at you guys retorting to him and losing your brain cells. His 'nutshell' will never crack         

[db84x]

@ Nar123

That what happen when you use argument, the reason my fandom (Ramza x Agrias) in FFT avoid argument because rival fandom in FFT have a lot of hot button which can exploded in someone made mistake (Ramza x Delita (gay like SasuNaru) or Ramza x Meliadui (shy girl like NH)).

 

So you said that NS art work in this forum is crap because artist made it form Naruto ? 

 

@ NeonRanger

Back again Bleach and Naruto is manga for kid and preteen so do you expect civil discussion form kid and preteen ?

[Advaith]

@ Nar123

That what happen when you use argument, the reason my fandom (Ramza x Agrias) in FFT avoid argument because rival fandom in FFT have a lot of hot button which can exploded in someone made mistake (Ramza x Delita (gay like SasuNaru) or Ramza x Meliadui (shy girl like NH)).

 

So you said that NS art work in this forum is crap because artist made it form Naruto ? 

 

@ NeonRanger

Back again Bleach and Naruto is manga for kid and preteen so do you expect civil discussion form kid and preteen ?

U are supposed to teach GOOD MORALS and MESSAGES even for something aimed at kid and preteen.What do u think all of kids and preteens minds are full of "Boobs" ??? like hinata??? Get real 

 

Defeatism/like naruto giving up on  sakura and using sakura,she also using him too,those are just some and there are plenty of other dangerous morals and messages if i want to state.The evil messsages this manga gives are a great danger to kids and preteens.

 

Just becoz it's aimed at kids it doesn't give u the license to do anything u want.Everything has a limit and measure.

Edited by Advaith, 23 February 2016 - 10:38 AM.

[db84x]

@ Advaith

What you thought and Japanese people thought is different, it called cultural difference.  Thanks for your inept to Japan culture, NH and SS conversion when so smoothly in Asian fandom because NS now often stereotyped as arrogant western fans.  And Kishi got pass to eliminate every NS foundation form his story.

Edited by db84x, 23 February 2016 - 11:06 AM.

[Nar123]

I said Naruto (the canon story) is crap, not all of the fans' artworks and fanfictions

Learn to read

And honestly are you a kid or preteen? You're honestly naive if you think everyone in the Naruto "fandom" is like that especially since a lot of people grew up with the series

Edited by Nar123, 23 February 2016 - 11:14 AM.

[Advaith]

@ Advaith

What you thought and Japanese people thought is different, it called cultural difference.  Thanks for your inept to Japan culture, NH and SS conversion when so smoothly in Asian fandom because NS now often stereotyped as arrogant western fans.  And Kishi got pass to eliminate every NS foundation form his story.

Lmao

 

Really ?

 

I mean really ???

 

This is ur knowledge on japanese culture.U think all japanese people are like the same like u mentioned.I am very much aware of otaku and big boobed fanservice things and more.I've been watching manga and anime for the last decade u kid(till nov 5th 2014).I'e seen countless stories crap and good.

 

But no i learned one thing from u today,pretty much the same thing i understand in the end with NH fans.I won't even say that then u'll start another conversation with that.

 

I hereby end my talking with u.

 

So as good bye note

DEEP DOWN U KNOW WHY AND HOW U "WON".live with that,keep it bottled up inside u.WHETHER u come to terms with everything/understand/ still go on feeling insecure IDC 

 

Therefore 

 

kitten off

[db84x]

@ Nar123

Sorry I'm to lazy explain WSJ focus group again so read wiki.  Manga is different with comic, they have rigid structure, for more detail don't be lazy read wiki and don't forget to click demographic groups in "Part of a series onAnime and Manga".

 

@ Advaith

Honestly I behalf NH and SS fandom want give a lot of thanks for your great job, without you alienating Asian fandom by insulting their culture, it will be hard won in pairing wars.

[Nar123]

Honestly you're the one not understanding anything here, Naruto might have been a shounen but that doesn't means only kids and young teens watched the series

You know Harry Potter? It was a series for kids as well at the beginning, the books that came afterwards matured the story because the fanbase grew up alongside it

Same thing happened with Naruto, the fanbase grew up and kept watching regardless if the story matured or not (Kishimoto tried to use more complex plots points and themes and then utterly failed in the execution)

Btw you can't excuse a series because of the target audience, when it's crap it's crap

Look at Twilight, it targets the female part population who enjoy that type of tasteless romance yet everyone and their mother knows it is crap, same thing with 50 shades of gray


You're sounding like a broken record already

There was no "alienation" whatsoever, the asian fandom didn't had that much contact with the western fandom to begin with, most of the shippers there were busy shipping their yaoi

In fact the Last was received quite poorly there by the fans even though they went to see how it was, 2ch and review sites were full of negative comments regarding the series and the movie, so if you're thinking every japanese fan unanimously liked you're dead wrong

The final pairing outcome was decided by Kishi for reasons we will probably never know, we only know it was a bad decision. SS was always problematic and NH is not only bland but also became problematic with the last, there is a reason why these pairings had almost nothing and SNS was brought back in full force during the Boruto movie

Edited by Nar123, 23 February 2016 - 11:51 AM.

[db84x]

@ Nar123

Sorry but Japan not work that way, In Japan kid and preteen manga always became kid and preteen manga.

[Nar123]

And is this a reason to not criticise the series? I gave you the Twilight and the 50SoG example didn't I?

Anyway did you even read what I wrote?

"Same thing happened with Naruto, the fanbase grew up and kept watching regardless if the story matured or not (Kishimoto tried to use more complex plots points and themes and then utterly failed in the execution)"

You can't deny that the fanbase got older just because a wiki says a target audience is this one

You also can't deny that Kishimoto was trying to insert more complex themes in part 2

[rocci]

@ Nar123
Sorry but Japan not work that way, In Japan kid and preteen manga always became kid and preteen manga.

Tell that to snk and death note.

[Nar123]

Tell that to snk and death note.

Oh yeah these ones, they have a pretty complex plot and somewhat dark themes for a shounen

Goes to show that target audience isn't everything that defines a series and shouldn't be a excuse for it being crap

Edited by Nar123, 23 February 2016 - 12:04 PM.

[rocci]

Oh yeah these ones, they have a pretty complex plot and somewhat dark themes for a shounen

Goes to show that target audience isn't everything that defines a series and shouldn't be a excuse for it being crap

Yup, and who said that shonen can't have romance.
Kenshin and shaman king have great romantic subplot.
And they're published in wsj.