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[Bail o' Lies]

Statement: The actual downfall and no return is the start of part 2 or even end of part 1.

Agree or disagree?

No, It was near the end of the series.

[VanitasDS76491]

Statement: The actual downfall and no return is the start of part 2 or even end of part 1.

Agree or disagree?

I say end of part 1 during the fight with sasuke were the whole mess started and we were told things that never happened to make us  believe they were friends. I still think that whole kill your best friend thing for Sasuke was dumb because if he had to kill Naruto that would defeat the propose of becoming friends with him. I mean when Itachi did there was an excuse. Makes me think Kishi wrote Itachi better than Sasuke.

[Namikaze Clan]

Disagree.

Part 2 was good at first with the Gaara rescue arc and Sai and Sasuke. Sure there was some cons like Naruto not learning anything besides making a bigger rasengan, but there was still some good things. Sakura actually had a major fight.

I'd say the downfall started after sasuke's fight with itatchi. When itatchi got ruined

[TouKen4Life3g]

I disagree. While part 2 isn't great, it was certainly good to me. It has ups and downs and there are arcs better than the last one. The dead end is Pain Arc.

Next one coming...

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 04 February 2016 - 08:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Gai should have been dead after the eight gates release.

Agree or disagree?

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 04 February 2016 - 08:57 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Statement: Gai should have been dead after the eight gates release.

Agree or disagree?

Infinite % agreed.

[Namikaze Clan]

He got robbed of an honorable shinobi death and has to live wheelchair bound for the rest of his life.

Agreed

[LuckyChi7]

Statement: Gai should have been dead after the eight gates release.

Agree or disagree?

Honestly I think it would've gave the war arc more depth I mean sure Neji, Shikau, Ionoichi, and other shinobi members from the intelligence force, doesn't really add impact when it comes to making the war arc great. Ya know because We knew Guy since the beginning we could've gotten a huge death in the series, and that's what sucks. I know some people like to say Obito's death made up for it, but while his death was emotional it came rather late in terms of story. So all in all yeah he should've died, sorry for kinda going off topic.

[Catra]

not even a question, he should have died.

[Nate River]

Statement: The actual downfall and no return is the start of part 2 or even end of part 1.

Agree or disagree?

 

Disagree. I thought the first two arcs were okay (except sacrificing a throwaway character to save a fan favorite). Issues started to crop up after Sasuke returned and while they made me like Part 2 less than Part 1 they weren't anything that destroyed the series.

 

Some of the issues that occur later started to crop up then, but the total implosion came after the Pein Arc. 

 

Statement: Gai should have been dead after the eight gates release.

Agree or disagree?

 

Agree. What was the purpose of keeping him alive? His sacrifice was one of the few great moments at the end. Instead the moment is ruined by God-Mode Naruto.

[SlyNinjaKnight]

Statement: Gai should have been dead after the eight gates release.

Agree or disagree?

 

Totally agree. But then again, did you really think he would die considering that Kishi would always find a way to bring anyone he killed back to life. 

[Namikaze Clan]

 
Totally agree. But then again, did you really think he would die considering that Kishi would always find a way to bring anyone he killed back to life. 

Well not always. Neji and the other ninja that died in the war stayed dead

[TouKen4Life3g]

He sure didn't leave a strong impression for them. Oddly enough, Gai was the closest one with all setup to make us feel sad. Nope. Jesus Naruto arrived in time.

[Bail o' Lies]

It just seemed to be there to show how powerful Naruto new ability was along with giving kakashi a new eye... which he apparently used it all up by the time he revived obito. So the real question is could naruto not have that stupid replacement power he got from the sage?

[rocci]

@touken
I disagree, naruto fall happen after pein arc. For me, the true downfall happen in war arc, that's when naruto is undefendable. While the sign happen in sasuke the great snake escape.

I agree, gai should dead.
Eight gate is nothing more than fanservice since it doesn't serve any plot point.

[Legend054]

Statement: Despite Itachi being planned to be a hero, he should have remain a villain.

Agree or disagree?

 

although it was a good twist he should've remained a villain. he was nerfed in part 2 so we didn't get to see a real fight between the uchiha brothers

 

 

Statement: There should have been only one VotE Naruto vs. Sasuke, with either Naruto wins or a draw.

Agree or disagree?

 

 

disagree, the fights were necessary to build up for a real final battle because it showed us how much they had gotten stronger

 

Statement: In hindsight, Tsunade would have been best to get killed off in Pain Invasion Arc over any other time.

Agree or disagree?

disagree i feel that it would've been best if she died at the hands of orochimaru because of her ties to him. it wouldn't really make sense if she died against pain.

 

Statement: The actual downfall and no return is the start of part 2 or even end of part 1.

Agree or disagree?

 

disagree part 2 started of well. it was a brand new beginning for naruto and was progressing quickly

 

Statement: Gai should have been dead after the eight gates release.

Agree or disagree?

agreed it would've been epic and more true. but they killed neji out of nowhere for nothing wtf?

[VanitasDS76491]

 

although it was a good twist he should've remained a villain. he was nerfed in part 2 so we didn't get to see a real fight between the uchiha brothers

 

 

 

 

disagree, the fights were necessary to build up for a real final battle because it showed us how much they had gotten stronger

 

disagree i feel that it would've been best if she died at the hands of orochimaru because of her ties to him. it wouldn't really make sense if she died against pain.

 

 

disagree part 2 started of well. it was a brand new beginning for naruto and was progressing quickly

 

agreed it would've been epic and more true. but they killed neji out of nowhere for nothing wtf?

Itachi was good til he became a ripoff of the Boss form MGS 3 but he still should have stayed a villain like Sasuke should have stay a villain. Also that fight with Sasuke sucked anyway cause sasuke wouldn't shut up and itachi was the good thing about the fight and seeing him kick sasuke's ass but lost through poorly explain illness and Itachi still won because he was already and sasuke even did anything to him.

 

The final fight between Sasuke and Naruto was unnecessary because the whole reason it happened was cause sasuke decided to be a dumbass and want a revolution. Also those two should have died after that final attack and it ended in a draw since both passed out after the final clash. Also have Naruto win in the first fight than we could focus on Pain and group instead of wasting time with Sasuke since sasuke isn't worth saving, hell if this were Optimus sasuke would be dead. Or have someone who is more capable get sasuke back like Batman or Superman cause those would do it better and faster without killing sasuke.

 

Guy should have died after the eight gates thing since they said that would happen but once again Kishi changes things again for no reason. 
 

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 06 February 2016 - 02:37 PM.

[rocci]

@vanitas
Sasuke never become a villain.
Naruto and sasuke will happen, that thing is what this manga is all about.

[Bail o' Lies]

@vanitas
Sasuke never become a villain.
Naruto and sasuke will happen, that thing is what this manga is all about.

Correction that was the entire point of part two. To set up that fight.

[rocci]

Correction that was the entire point of part two. To set up that fight.

Well, that's the entire point of part 2 and post tsunade arc in part 1.