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[Yyubie]

 

WHAT! Give me the the link to that absurd video. 

If kishi watch and seeing his own wife getting insult by some rabid NH fans i wonder if he still gonna justify NH ending, or he will realize that path he choose is nothing more than a hellish nightmare full of rabid fans. I really want to see at least his reaction....

 

And here I thought romance wasn't a strong suit or concern of Kishi's. He should be trying to put the past behind him and move on to his sci-fi seinen rather than dwell on things which have already been finalised. Do you think anyone is going to be concerned over what Kishi's wife thinks? To them, she's just one unimportant background person pitching a fit because the shallow unlikable ex-heroine that's based off her didn't get with the scumbag. If he's becoming so upset over her protestations then maybe they should look into a separation or at least a mutual agreement to forget about the issue since it's done and done. If I were in his position, I would be plunging myself into the new manga while asking her to look towards the future instead of the past. 

I think the word of 'MOVED ON' is more suited for the fans who read his manga. He cannot simply moved on from this, this is 12-14 years manga, if i were him[kishi] trying to move on and write new manga means 'I am running away'. I believe deep down he knows this himself that he screw up, instead of at least trying to repair things he just adding more and more damage just look at each of his own interview, now he wants write new manga, he is pretty much admit he wants to run away from this situation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

At this rate, romance should be banned in WSJ. Ok not really, but maybe one or two another series will make me say it.

[LuckyChi7]

At this rate, romance should be banned in WSJ. Ok not really, but maybe one or two another series will make me say it.

Which ones?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Which ones?

I don't know. Many of them are so far "obvious" just matter of "Will mangaka pull the trigger?" I rather have no romance than forced romance.

[Atheck]

I think the word of 'MOVED ON' is more suited for the fans who read his manga. He cannot simply moved on from this, this is 12-14 years manga, if i were him[kishi] trying to move on and write new manga means 'I am running away'. I believe deep down he knows this himself that he screw up, instead of at least trying to repair things he just adding more and more damage just look at each of his own interview, now he wants write new manga, he is pretty much admit he wants to run away from this situation.

 

Running away from what? The series which he's stated to be decisively finished with since the end of Gaiden and the movie? There's nothing left for him to do at this point unless you want him to continue perpetuating these half-assed truths and fabrications in interviews just so people can take jabs at him. I've personally come to despise the man myself because he lacks any integrity, but I do believe he should be allowed to move onto other projects instead of being hoisted back into Naruto constantly by the studio or whoever else is pulling his strings. Even if he wanted to, I doubt Kishi could do anything to rectify the ending or the series in general. 

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

WHAT! Give me the the link to that absurd video. 

He's not worth it man just let this fat loser alone, I mean all people like him care about it big bimbos girls like Hinata. I mean I think we can all say that NaruHina fans are like this. Now not all of them I mean some have said they have hated the ending like us which is good I'm talking about the ones that put5 Hinata above all else.

 

It's like luckychi said if we make books later in our lives we should say we don't want to go down that NaruHina way or kitten up like Kishi did since he said it what he will do and I know I will say it as well in the whole note section at the end.

 

Now the way I see it that knowing some NH fans will be pissed by this after all they are a toxic bunch, now lets say one of us did this put down NH in an interveiw as we will say why we did what we did and NH fans do a youtube vid say we are scum we suck we should di. You know the old NH love they give to the world as they want all none believers to burn in hell and die a nasty death.

 

So lets say by some chance we had another interview or talk show this is what we should all say.

 

Us: People who only follow a story for the romantic part and only one person and not others ruin stories for me after all the whole story matter and if you have to change and reton said story for romance to happen that isd just bad.

 

Interviewer: So your saying that people like this give story telling a bad name?

 

Us: Yes it does, now don't get me wrong it's alright to like a couple and hope they get together by the end of a story, but if said couple does not get the development that it should get, to a couple that do get it well that would be just bad and sadly this is where Kishi failed at as a writer I didn't want to become like him and mess up my work.

 

Interviewer: Some would say that the other girl in the story should have ended up with the hero as she loved him longer than the other girls have.

 

Us: What you have to remember is the main girl in my story was 10 when the series began she was not at the ag which she knew what love was and was young, thew one thing I hate is how fans think that as kids we know what is right and wrong right away, let me tell you that we don't how many of us got told off at that age, I know I did.

 

Interviewer. from that last interview you did I hear that you have gotten some hate on saying NH was a bad pick for the manga Naruto.

 

Us: Yes this is true I won't lie about that, I have heard reviews on youtube say I know nothing and that Hinata got what she should have, but that's the thing and I'm just another zombie NaruSaku fan, but people like forneverworld sawer7mage Koshji and many others are just rabid fans who only care for the hot girl, they care not for how the story goes all they care about is Hinata and to me they are not true reviewers since a review puts the story first then the couple they like.

[Yyubie]

 

Running away from what? The series which he's stated to be decisively finished with since the end of Gaiden and the movie? There's nothing left for him to do at this point unless you want him to continue perpetuating these half-assed truths and fabrications in interviews just so people can take jabs at him. I've personally come to despise the man myself because he lacks any integrity, but I do believe he should be allowed to move onto other projects instead of being hoisted back into Naruto constantly by the studio or whoever else is pulling his strings. Even if he wanted to, I doubt Kishi could do anything to rectify the ending or the series in general.

That is why i said 'I THINK' right? im just stating my opinion on the matter, to me this can't never be finished/complete until he state which is true, so far his interview just keep contradict the older one. He should have do this be clear not adding confusion, NH was plan from the beginning, then NH was plan in the middle, he even go as far to use his OWN WIFE as a shield to justify the ending, really?? is he a REAL man? using your own family to cover his own mistake? he is a father a head of the family he should be the one who protect his own family and now that rabid fans insult his own wife because of him.

Really??? is this FINISHED?? complete?? someone insult your wife and then ok whatever im leaving to write something new.

[TheFirstEvil100]

That is why i said 'I THINK' right? im just stating my opinion on the matter, to me this can't never be finished/complete until he state which is true, so far his interview just keep contradict the older one. He should have do this be clear not adding confusion, NH was plan from the beginning, then NH was plan in the middle, he even go as far to use his OWN WIFE as a shield to justify the ending, really?? is he a REAL man? using your own family to cover his own mistake? he is a father a head of the family he should be the one who protect his own family and now that rabid fans insult his own wife because of him.

Really??? is this FINISHED?? complete?? someone insult your wife and then ok whatever im leaving to write something new.

well I think that he has taken a lesson from Sasuke and not give a kitten about his wife, if that was me I would have the NH fans on youtube all taken down think of all that they would lose.

[Suigetsu]

Their were some hinata fans that could never forgive neji for touching/hurting their goddess. Also Neji Hinata pairing was more popular than nH in Japan, and people would have preferred that pairing over what they got.

I prefered Neji/ten ten tbh. But lol, no I didnt like Neji dying like that.

[Suigetsu]

A bad writer or one with a very weak vision for his story. 

It's not that he listened to his fans but about THE IDEAS that he listened to.

[Atheck]

That is why i said 'I THINK' right? im just stating my opinion on the matter, to me this can't never be finished/complete until he state which is true, so far his interview just keep contradict the older one. He should have do this be clear not adding confusion, NH was plan from the beginning, then NH was plan in the middle, he even go as far to use his OWN WIFE as a shield to justify the ending, really?? is he a REAL man? using your own family to cover his own mistake? he is a father a head of the family he should be the one who protect his own family and now that rabid fans insult his own wife because of him.

Really??? is this FINISHED?? complete?? someone insult your wife and then ok whatever im leaving to write something new.

 

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that he was using his wife as a deflection apparatus. All he's doing is describing how the final choice for pairings almost created a rift in their household. What he states in regards to citing her as an inspiration for Hinata was articulated more in the context of that he was trying to achieve some kind of short term appeasement with her because she was furious over a specific manga character not becoming romantically involved with another one. If the grounds for whether you're happy or not in a relationship is based upon such flimsy notions then perhaps your chief concerns are misplaced. Having your own opinions on the manga is one thing, but to allow it to dictate the terms of your actual marriage in real life is just silly. 

[rocci]

At this rate, romance should be banned in WSJ. Ok not really, but maybe one or two another series will make me say it.

I think that's too far.
It's like banning action from shoujo.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think that's too far.
It's like banning action from shoujo.

At least they don't put it a bad taste. I don't want a genre or sub genre to get hindered badly by a known company. It's like giving money to the folks who make crappy movies, why keep investing.

[Yyubie]

 

I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that he was using his wife as a deflection apparatus. All he's doing is describing how the final choice for pairings almost created a rift in their household. What he states in regards to citing her as an inspiration for Hinata was articulated more in the context of that he was trying to achieve some kind of short term appeasement with her because she was furious over a specific manga character not becoming romantically involved with another one. If the grounds for whether you're happy or not in a relationship is based upon such flimsy notions then perhaps your chief concerns are misplaced. Having your own opinions on the manga is one thing, but to allow it to dictate the terms of your actual marriage in real life is just silly. 

Well i would never bring/drag my husband and kid into a problem that they have nothing to do with it, but i guess you right, using what ever means necessary to assure both if his name as a popular mangaka and the future of his next manga is a must. I completely forgot you can't mix personal feelings and politics (Or whatever they call it in manga industry) together, im sorry.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

And here I thought romance wasn't a strong suit or concern of Kishi's. He should be trying to put the past behind him and move on to his sci-fi seinen rather than dwell on things which have already been finalised. Do you think anyone is going to be concerned over what Kishi's wife thinks? To them, she's just one unimportant background person pitching a fit because the shallow unlikable ex-heroine that's based off her didn't get with the scumbag. If he's becoming so upset over her protestations then maybe they should look into a separation or at least a mutual agreement to forget about the issue since it's done and done. If I were in his position, I would be plunging myself into the new manga while asking her to look towards the future instead of the past. 

 

Another way to look at it is that he intentionally puts his foot in his mouth because of the leaked rumor how the way the ending went because the Shuiesha editors hated Sakura and started an anti-Sakura campaign and he tried rallied the support of other mangaka. Maybe this is just his way of him not letting WSJ and SP savored the victory without bitterness.  If this happens to be true, he was better off of not submitting chapters.

[Catra]

wonder why no one brought up how lame a villain madara was. seriously the dude accomplished nothing, and the only reason people liked him (cough king of lightning) was because of his power. the philosophical mumbo jumbo came later. and even then felt tacked on and "been there, done that".

[rocci]

wonder why no one brought up how lame a villain madara was. seriously the dude accomplished nothing, and the only reason people liked him (cough king of lightning) was because of his power. the philosophical mumbo jumbo came later. and even then felt tacked on and "been there, done that".

Well, he's strong.
But imo, what make him a lame villain is kishi unable to kill him, thus resort on kaguya ex machina. That's lame.

I mean look at aizen. That's how shonen villain done right.

[TouKen4Life3g]

wonder why no one brought up how lame a villain madara was. seriously the dude accomplished nothing, and the only reason people liked him (cough king of lightning) was because of his power. the philosophical mumbo jumbo came later. and even then felt tacked on and "been there, done that".

Yeah, I remember a lot of people here were like "boring" when he took regime. The funny thing is I was hoping Obito was going to take him as a sole villain because I felt it would have been a Karma storyline with Madara and such. Instead, I got main villain replacement just to be replaced later. That didn't make sense in any context.

[James S Cassidy]

Also do you think many of them have even read any of kishi interviews? Most just believe because the ending is nH and ss that clearly he think the same thing they do. So reading his interviews would be pointless in their minds. The few that do are people on youtube and tumbler that want views, but don't have anything else that get people attention other than Naruto. So they dig up kishi interviews read them deny anything they don't agree with. Pretend the contradictions don't exist or it a miss translation or a massive NS conspiracy going on and they must reveal the truth to the fans that kishi is a true nH and ss supporter. Then they pick and choose what they want their viewers to hear and that what goes on their post and or videos. And then those fans just accept wha ever those people say and parrot their lines to anyone that disagree with them.

This is so true it hurts. I hate how every time bring up an interview or a fact about something Kishimoto said, I get pro-enders bugging me for "proof" or "link" to what it is. I used to provide said proof, hoping it would sink in, but they always find some excuse either to not read it, claim it was a mistranslation, or call it fake. Seriously, recently I got into an argument about it with a pro-ender about it and when I showed him the proof, all he did was say "Well, I would have accepted it all, BUUUUT...." and there was some lame excuse why he said the interviews were nullified.

I laughed even harder when one source he claimed was fake was linked to HIS OWN FANDOMS WEBSITE that translated the interview. He was so blinded by his own biased and "canon" that he didn't even accept sources from his own website, but he sure managed to link me to reddit several hundred times like all of a sudden Reddit is the ONLY official source among the interwebs.

So from now on, whenever someone asks me for "proof" I just say "Why should I provide proof to something you should already know? Aren't you a true Naruto fan? Don't you follow the series religiously?" It's funny how these people, these pro-enders, call themselves "true fans," but then never even read the manga or watched the series or even seen everything outside of the "ending." Hell, they praise Naruto the Last like it was a gift from god and yet never seen the movie nor understand the plot of it.

It makes me question the Hiden novels actually. Who exactly are they written for? The Japanese fandom hates Naruto and doesn't care anymore and the American fandom couldn't care less about them and don't even know they exist outside of the hardcore Naruto fans. So who is the demographic?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, he's strong.
But imo, what make him a lame villain is kishi unable to kill him, thus resort on kaguya ex machina. That's lame.

I mean look at aizen. That's how shonen villain done right.

Pretty much. Though he had an anti-climatic ending but then again, it's not over, so who knows. Either way, he was done right. I just like it was down to a villain that has 0 connection and we supposed to care.