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Posted 21 September 2015 - 06:58 PM

I agree that "Naruto should know better" is a terrible rationale. Why should he know better? Sasuke is the one who actually had parents to observe and learn from.

Sasuke's mom wasn't too bad, and his father wasn't the best neither the worst. But it doesn't matter anyway. Does anyone here actually believe that Salad got the daddy issues storyline because he doesn't know better? :wot: Kishimoto's sentiment has always been that if you have been treated cruelly, that's even more the reason to be kind so they won't ever feel what you felt. That message have been repeated constantly.


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 08:51 PM

Can't decide... 

One of them let his girl for x years, alone with her mother, tried to kill her even though he kind of recognized her, and after seeing her once, he left again, leaving them behind.

On the other hand, we have the guy who is always in the village, but never find time to spend with his children, he just send one of his clones, he can't control them, and kind of neglect them, especially the youngest one...

 

Maybe Sasuke is a little bit worse than Naruto. 

Now another question: Who's the WORST HUSBAND ?


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 09:03 PM

Can't decide... 
One of them let his girl for x years, alone with her mother, tried to kill her even though he kind of recognized her, and after seeing her once, he left again, leaving them behind.
On the other hand, we have the guy who is always in the village, but never find time to spend with his children, he just send one of his clones, he can't control them, and kind of neglect them, especially the youngest one...
 
Maybe Sasuke is a little bit worse than Naruto. 
Now another question: Who's the WORST HUSBAND ?


Aagain Sasuke. Even though they had sex Sasuke's apparently never kissed her. Never bothered contacting his wife or daughter while on his mission either.

Not sure what to make of Naruto. We only see him and Hinata acting as husband and wife during the credits of The Last and the Hokage one shot chapter

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 09:56 PM

Can't decide... 

One of them let his girl for x years, alone with her mother, tried to kill her even though he kind of recognized her, and after seeing her once, he left again, leaving them behind.

On the other hand, we have the guy who is always in the village, but never find time to spend with his children, he just send one of his clones, he can't control them, and kind of neglect them, especially the youngest one...

 

Maybe Sasuke is a little bit worse than Naruto. 

Now another question: Who's the WORST HUSBAND ?

Who's the worst hubby isn't even a question to me. I was quite unsure of who was the worst father, but the worst husband is definitely Sasuke.

 

New question; Who's the worst wife? :excited: It isn't like Sakura and Hinata are poor victims of their husbands, but I think Sakura is worst imo.


Edited by sushi., 21 September 2015 - 09:57 PM.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 10:44 PM

Just to give the other perspective of where James is coming from, I'm the son of a police officer. My Dad couldn't always be there. I didn't have him around for most holidays or birthdays. I usually only got a chance to see him for an hour when he came home early in the morning on my way to school, and a couple hours when he was getting ready to go to work after I came home from school.

 

We spent as much time together as we could when he had the time. He was also on call a lot so he could be called in anytime at the drop of a hat cutting in to that time. And I understood that. I also understood he loved me because he was there enough to tell me so. He chose a profession that meant I was going to have to share my Dad with the public. Again, I understood that. Did I want him around more? Of course, but whining about it wasn't going to help that situation or make either of my parents feel better. This was a career he wanted and felt compelled to do. He was a man of service.

 

He didn't get more free time with his job until I was in my mid 20's. And we spent a ton of time together after that because while growing up he was there as much as he could be. We spent even more time together after he retired.

 

I guess that's the biggest difference between those I know that never knew their dad and myself. They always said that they didn't need their dad and they were just fine without them. But since I knew my Dad, I know for a fact that I needed him in my life. I got hit when I did wrong and I got scolded when I did wrong. That's what good parents do. I wouldn't be the man I am today if I had never known my Dad.

 

That's why I say just by actions, not expectations, that Sasuke as a father is worse than Naruto. Just my perspective.


Edited by BlackBird19, 21 September 2015 - 10:45 PM.


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 10:51 PM

Who's the worst hubby isn't even a question to me. I was quite unsure of who was the worst father, but the worst husband is definitely Sasuke.

 

New question; Who's the worst wife? :excited: It isn't like Sakura and Hinata are poor victims of their husbands, but I think Sakura is worst imo.

hahaha think the same ! Since the real Sakura is dead, and now became a pitiful and submissive waifu, I guess she really is the worst one! 


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 11:34 PM

Sasuke is a better father than Naruto because "he doesn't know better"? Oh please, that's the worst excuse you can make for him. Sasuke didn't need a role model to know how to be a decent father.


This so much. Sasuke "not knowing better" or Naruto being worse because "he should know better" is an absolute terrible excuse. It's beyond ridiculous.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 03:30 PM

Who's the worst hubby isn't even a question to me. I was quite unsure of who was the worst father, but the worst husband is definitely Sasuke.

 

New question; Who's the worst wife? :excited: It isn't like Sakura and Hinata are poor victims of their husbands, but I think Sakura is worst imo.

 

Oye. That's a pretty challenging question to answer. I'd probably say Sakura, because she showed more willingness to stand up for herself and what she wants throughout the series than did Hinata, which makes her relationship with Sasuke so frustrating and disappointing. 



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Posted 23 September 2015 - 03:35 PM

Who's the worst hubby isn't even a question to me. I was quite unsure of who was the worst father, but the worst husband is definitely Sasuke.
 
New question; Who's the worst wife? :excited: It isn't like Sakura and Hinata are poor victims of their husbands, but I think Sakura is worst imo.

That's a pretty easy question. Sakura, clearly. Anyone who says Hinata is just acting on their hate for her. I get it, I despise Hinata, but the fact of the matter is that we haven't even seen enough of Hinata as a mother to judge entirely. From what we've been shown, she might be a good mother, as Bolt doesn't hate her.

However, we've been shown clearly that Sakura is a terrible parent.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 03:56 PM

This so much. Sasuke "not knowing better" or Naruto being worse because "he should know better" is an absolute terrible excuse. It's beyond ridiculous.

 

 

Just to give the other perspective of where James is coming from, I'm the son of a police officer. My Dad couldn't always be there. I didn't have him around for most holidays or birthdays. I usually only got a chance to see him for an hour when he came home early in the morning on my way to school, and a couple hours when he was getting ready to go to work after I came home from school.

 

We spent as much time together as we could when he had the time. He was also on call a lot so he could be called in anytime at the drop of a hat cutting in to that time. And I understood that. I also understood he loved me because he was there enough to tell me so. He chose a profession that meant I was going to have to share my Dad with the public. Again, I understood that. Did I want him around more? Of course, but whining about it wasn't going to help that situation or make either of my parents feel better. This was a career he wanted and felt compelled to do. He was a man of service.

 

He didn't get more free time with his job until I was in my mid 20's. And we spent a ton of time together after that because while growing up he was there as much as he could be. We spent even more time together after he retired.

 

I guess that's the biggest difference between those I know that never knew their dad and myself. They always said that they didn't need their dad and they were just fine without them. But since I knew my Dad, I know for a fact that I needed him in my life. I got hit when I did wrong and I got scolded when I did wrong. That's what good parents do. I wouldn't be the man I am today if I had never known my Dad.

 

That's why I say just by actions, not expectations, that Sasuke as a father is worse than Naruto. Just my perspective.

 

 

Aagain Sasuke. Even though they had sex Sasuke's apparently never kissed her. Never bothered contacting his wife or daughter while on his mission either.

Not sure what to make of Naruto. We only see him and Hinata acting as husband and wife during the credits of The Last and the Hokage one shot chapter

 

 

Who's the worst hubby isn't even a question to me. I was quite unsure of who was the worst father, but the worst husband is definitely Sasuke.

 

New question; Who's the worst wife? :excited: It isn't like Sakura and Hinata are poor victims of their husbands, but I think Sakura is worst imo.

 

 

Agree with all of you guys.

Expecting that Sasuke would be a bad father while Naruto would be a good one doesn't change that they're both kitten dads in canon, and Sasuke is technically the worst of the two

 

Expectations that you had regarding characters shouldn't  be a part of this analysis in particular


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Posted 28 October 2015 - 01:26 PM

I think both are the worse but Naruto is worse cause of how he puts his job above his family when wasn't family more important to him than being Hokage. Sasuke is such a kitten character that it doesn't surprise me that he was never there for Sakura and Sarada. What does surprise me is that Sakura still stays with Sasuke when in reality she should leave him cause she'd be better off without Sasuke. Also Sakura and Hinata are the worse mothers ever, though I'm giving Sakura some credit but not much.

 

Also James (James S Cassidy) that comment you said about Naruto when Bolt painted the Hokage face and you said how Naruto should act. I agreed that Naruto should act a real father and help his son and talk to him about his problem. Naruto should act like Ezio's father form Assassin's Creed II where in the first sequence of the game Ezio got home and his father was getting angry listing off what he was doing til you met and he then says that it reminds him of himself what he was Ezio's age. That the kind of father Naruto should be, but no we get treating his son and probably his family like he was treated by the village. 

 

Here's a list of father or father figures compare them to naruto and Sasuke

Joel (The Last of Us)

Booker Dewitt (Bioshock Infinite)

Isshin Shiba (Bleach)

Master Splinter (TMNT)

Homer Simpson (The Simpsons)

John Marston (Red Dead Redemption)

Goku/Vegeta/ Piccolo (DBZ)

Sparda (Devil May Cry)

Giovanni Auditore (Assassin's Creed II)

Big Boss Aka Naked Snake( Metal Gear Solid)

Igneel (Fairy Tail)

Naruto's own father Minato

 

These are the one's I can think off the top of my head.

 

Who Do you are better fathers than Naruto and Sasuke share them with me.

 

 



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 04:11 PM

What's disappointing is that they should both be shown on an adulthood journey to become better fathers, overcoming the failings of their own fathers and childhoods...and yet they are not.

 

They are just shown to be simply bad dads. The kids are keenly aware of how Naruto and Sasuke are falling short, but neither Sasuke nor Naruto seem to show much inclination to change their ways of being absentee parents. 

 

On who's the worst, I really can't decide. However, in terms of the story, Sasuke experienced MAJOR trauma as a child, more than simply being shunned like Naruto was. So he's the walking wounded. He's got PTSD for miles, and I would expect him never to get over it.

 

In fact...he's not. He's never had a moment where he's returned from the the dark place he went to after he left Konoha. He's never been welcomed back into the village as a hero (as Naruto did). His forgiveness by the village comes in few sparse words from Kakashi. But the chosen future of his life is still chasing down his demons from the past. The struggle that he was fighting from part 1 is still not over.

 

So his treatment of Sarada, in the context of the story, feels much more authentic than Naruto's lax treatment of his own children. And his own life in general. And this is a problem because the bar for Naruto is set so much higher than Sasuke.

 

Naruto was shunned but won recognition in the village by the end of the Pain arc. Next he has problems personally being the hero, but he overcame that too. Fast forward and he wins the affection of the girl he loved since childhood, then wins the war to come home to a hero's welcome, again, and now he's recognized by all the villages/countries. 

 

Along the way he reconnects with both his father and mother in very meaningful ways, and now he can move into his adult life fully understanding their commitment to him, and what they lost in being killed on the day he was born.

 

So WHHHYYYY then does Naruto go about his adult career and parenting responsibilities with such childish apathy? He was supposed to surpass his elders - so we should see a Konoha at peace but with new threats facing Naruto. Not facebook, booze and ramen. He was supposed to have learn from his parents' sacrifice - so why then does he act neglectful to his own kids/family?

 

Why is Naruto shown as 'same as usual' instead of growing and changing from the challenges that faced him in childhood? Why hasn't he become the leader/parent who has learned from the mistakes of those who went before him to shape the future of Konoha?

 

If he were Konoha's best leader and an active parent and still had problems connecting with Boruto, then that would be a real story!

 

But right now, after seeing NAruto be the same person he was at 15-17, it's no surprise he can't connect with his kid. Naruto's still a kid too!!

 

But to set Naruto and Sasuke at the same parenting levels, just on either sides of Konoha's walls, is completely wrong. Sasuke was traumatized and never recovered. Naruto had the whole story, 700 chapters, to document his journey of becoming a true hero, and yet even with all the ground covered, he's still basically the same.

 

I guess it's not that I see one of them as a worse parent than the other. It's that the reasons why they are both terrible parents are terribly out of balance. Sasuke's shortcomings are justified, but Naruto's simply are not. He has no excuse. 

 

Sasuke had no role models, he was only raised with death and revenge. And any mentor was using him as a pawn.

 

But this was Naruto's story, and he puts those who that have come before him (and taught him by example how to be a good leader and parent) to shame.

 

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 04:17 PM

I don't really see how Sasuke needed a role model to be a decent father. That should come naturally. I just can't excuse his neglect towards his wife and daughter due to his dark history

As for Naruto, the end of the Boruto movie implies that he will be more active with his family and become less of a workaholic. So I guess that's a sign of improvement for him

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 05:15 PM

Come to think of it, Bolt never says anything about Hinata nor do we see Hinata's interaction with Bolt. Kinda weird :ermm: Is she even able to control Bolt? :ermm:

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 07:11 PM

Come to think of it, Bolt never says anything about Hinata nor do we see Hinata's interaction with Bolt. Kinda weird :ermm: Is she even able to control Bolt? :ermm:

I Seriously doubt it.

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 07:14 PM

I Seriously doubt it.

Yeah :ermm: She even seems to be least interested in their academics and stuff :ermm: I mean apart from doing housework, I never saw her do anything :ermm:

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 07:36 PM

Yeah :ermm: She even seems to be least interested in their academics and stuff :ermm: I mean apart from doing housework, I never saw her do anything :ermm:

Well that's what she is. The housekeeper.


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Posted 29 October 2015 - 07:41 PM

Well that's what she is. The housekeeper.

Sakura would've never done that though :ermm: She could've been the perfect wife, perfect mother, best doctor in the villages and basically everything that Hinata can never be! Not saying Hinata is good for nothing but when it comes to Naruto, no one better than Sakura!

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Posted 29 October 2015 - 08:13 PM

Come to think of it, Bolt never says anything about Hinata nor do we see Hinata's interaction with Bolt. Kinda weird :ermm: Is she even able to control Bolt? :ermm:

i think there is several scenes like that.. smiling at his victory in chunnin exams, calming him down after naruto's clone dropped the cake, and i think there's a scene where she blushes when bolt wears naruto's old clothes because they are so alike..

 

i didn't see the movie though, these are just what i heard from forums


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Posted 29 October 2015 - 08:14 PM

i think there is several scenes like that.. smiling at his victory in chunnin exams, calming him down after naruto's clone dropped the cake, and i think there's a scene where she blushes when bolt wears naruto's old clothes because they are so alike..

There are? :confused: Oh well...

Ah! Alright! Thanks anyway :sweat:

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