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[pizza_blade]

 

The point they are trying to make is that - Naruto at some point in the past had a coherent story and physics that it relied upon. Kishimoto has taken it upon himself to dismantle his own world. 

 

As a writer myself, there is nothing more disheartening than seeing an established and beloved world with lore just completely obliterated for the sake of plot. This whole war arc just - it's abysmal. And I can pinpoint where it all went wrong. The scope of the story got too big. Naruto got too powerful. Once he beat Pein, who was next? How do you challenge the hero? He painted himself into a corner and is having to use Deus Ex Machina to get himself out. 

 

I understand. In a way, I just want to say that the fact that I have accepted the bolded above as reality from way, way back is why I am not bothered by Naruto's instant eye-heal. I mean, last chapter when Madara casually swiped Kakashi's eyes I too, laughed at the sheer absurdity of it.

 

I guess what I want to say is this: nothing that Kishi will do can surprise me any longer, since I already recognize that he's probably just pulling stuff out from his arse anyways, hahaha.

Edited by pizza_blade, 07 May 2014 - 07:39 AM.

[咲耶姫]

People are already calling Sakura useless because she asked questions to Obito instead of destroying the rinnegan. 

[narusaku256]

 

"You STILL have feeligns for someone who tried to kill you. YOU ARE UNABLE TO CAST AWAY the one who tried to kill and STILL CONSIDER IT YOUR DUTY TO SAVE SASUKE FROM DARKNESS." 

 

Wrong. he said "YOU ARE UNABLE TO CAST AWAY the one you LIKED" Why is it so hard to get it as " Even if you still care about Sasuke, your feelings have changed."

I still have a hard time believing this. I mean yes I do understand that she has a change of feelings for Sasuke and basically a huge blow to SS. But, "You are unable to cast away the one you likED". Does this mean that she is unable to abandon Sasuke and still wants to help Sasuke from drowning into darkness just as Naruto wishes to do? If its this way, then probably according to the pattern, NH is next. Kishi's getting rid of the main pairings one by one starting with the impossible/violent one.

[soraandven]

well that's nice to know

[Transformers03]

On the topic of Kakashi's comment on Sakura's feelings, I feel like it was meant to be purposely vague. I feel like it could be interpretate either way, as a possibly implication of Sakura changing her feelings for Sasuke or reinforce her love for him. 

[Jake]

I think I'm the only one here who doesn't have a problem with Naruto creating an eye. And for a simple reason we've seen so many things recently that don't make sense and this is normal. I've accepted that anything could happen and I just go with the flow.

This is just another day at the office.

 

Another thing to consider about this is the fact that Hagoromo possessed a Jutsu called "Creation of All Things", which is what he used to create the Biju,

[Transformers03]

I think I'm the only one here who doesn't have a problem with Naruto creating an eye. And for a simple reason we've seen so many things recently that don't make sense and this is normal. I've accepted that anything could happen and I just go with the flow.

This is just another day at the office.

 

I don't have a problem with it, though I do find it hilarious.

 

 

Another thing to consider about this is the fact that Hagoromo possessed a Jutsu called "Creation of All Things", which is what he used to create the Biju,

 

See, there is a reason.

A totally vague and un-plausible, and somewhat stupid,  reason, but a reason nonetheless.

[narusaku256]

@ narusaku256: You said that you think it might be implied that Sakura romantically still loves Sasuke because Kakashi said that she still cared about him despite the fact he tried to kill her. Err... does that sound like anyone to you? (Erhem, cough*Naruto*cough)

Its funny that when what I think is presented to me by someone else, I refuse to accept that its this way. Btw Can you please elaborate on the last sentence. I kinda did not understand it 

[soraandven]

that's not a surprise sakura haters always try to find ways to debunk her

[James S Cassidy]

I think I'm the only one here who doesn't have a problem with Naruto creating an eye. And for a simple reason we've seen so many things recently that don't make sense and this is normal. I've accepted that anything could happen and I just go with the flow.

This is just another day at the office.

You and me both, Nostradamus. I think I am long passed getting mad at stuff like this because honestly, there is worst stuff. Like Sasuke's story for example. God, I hate the BS in his story and reasoning. Even the characters themselves admit that they don't know anymore.

I am also tired of people keep saying that Naruto regenerating an eye automatically makes Sakura worthless or all medical ninjutsu for that matter. Really? Even if Naruto can just regenerate a person on touch it doesn't mean that every person in the world needs to come to him to be "healed." We have cures for things all the time...doesn't mean we don't have doctors anymore. I think you guys need to chill on this and this isn't the first person to show regeneration. Did Orochimaru's research make doctors obsolete? "Hey, just jump into another person's body if you are dying." No.

"Naruto is now basically god."
Yeah, that's the point. Also notice the difference between Sasuke's powers who can't do that. Naruto is designed as the healer and the person to guide people while Sasuke is really a destroyer and choose the side of power.
 

I mentioned before some time ago about religious referencing and people thought I was over thinking it...now look at what everyone is doing. XD

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 May 2014 - 07:48 AM.

[咲耶姫]

I still have a hard time believing this. I mean yes I do understand that she has a change of feelings for Sasuke and basically a huge blow to SS. But, "You are unable to cast away the one you likED". Does this mean that she is unable to abandon Sasuke and still wants to help Sasuke from drowning into darkness just as Naruto wishes to do? If its this way, then probably according to the pattern, NH is next. Kishi's getting rid of the main pairings one by one starting with the impossible/violent one.

Oh in that case, yes, that's how I took that part, she cares about him and wants to save him from the darkness, just like Naruto. After all, I hardly see Sakura abandon Sasuke because he tried to kill her during his psycho moment, he's still her friend and as Kakashi said in this chapter, she's a nice girl. 

[Transformers03]

You and me both, Nostradamus. I think I am long passed getting mad at stuff like this because honestly, there is worst stuff. Like Sasuke's story for example. God, I hate the BS in his story and reasoning. Even the character themselves admit that they don't know anymore.

I am also tried of people keep saying that Naruto regenerating an eye automatically makes Sakura worthless or all medical ninjutsu for that matter. Really? Even if Naruto can just regenerate a person on touch it doesn't mean that every person in the world needs to come to him to be "healed." We have cured for things all the time...doesn't mean we don't have doctors anymore. I think you guys need to chill on this and this isn't the first person to show regeneration. Did Orochimaru's research make doctors obsolete? "Hey, just jump into another person's body if you are dying." No.

"Naruto is now basically god."
Yeah, that's the point. Also notice the difference between Sasuke's powers who can't do that. Naruto is designed as the healer and the person to guide people while Sasuke is really a destroyer and choose the side of power.
 

I mentioned before some time ago about religious referencing and people thought I was over thinking it...now look at what everyone is doing. XD

 

Hipster for life.

[Chatte]

Regarding the matter of Sakura's feelings addressed in this chapter, I will just leave this here: http://chatte-georgi...-stay-would-you

 

It's a meta I kept telling you guys about but I feel happy that finally, Kishi confirmed it this chapter.

Edited by Chatte, 07 May 2014 - 07:52 AM.

[Shadow1275]

So Sakura  can't not like Sasuke but her feelings hav changed and yet she still likes him?

I don't know whether to chalk this up under Narusaku or Sasusaku.

Classic Kishi cryptic as ever.

 

I guess its a tie???

[Awes9]

I think I'm the only one here who doesn't have a problem with Naruto creating an eye. And for a simple reason we've seen so many things recently that don't make sense and this is normal. I've accepted that anything could happen and I just go with the flow.
This is just another day at the office.

yeah anything can happen in Naruto nowadays, common sense and logic have been thrown away since a long time ago.

[Hiraishin]

People have been calling Naruto Jesus since like the Pein arc lmao.

 
Another thing to consider about this is the fact that Hagoromo possessed a Jutsu called "Creation of All Things", which is what he used to create the Biju,

Oh, true! Well, at least we know what jutsu it is now haha.

[Nostradamus]

People are already calling Sakura useless because she asked questions to Obito instead of destroying the rinnegan. 

And you were expecting people to love her? I've said this a while back the only way people that hate Sakura are going to change, is if Sakura dies and before dying she tells Naruto to love Hinata because only she can give him the love that he deserves.

It doesn't really matter what Sakura does or doesn't do in terms of healing or fighting or anything else. The only thing that matters is for her to get out of Hinata's way.

Edited by Nostradamus, 07 May 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[Ariya]

I feel like Kishi mentioning her feelings being different is something worth noting as a whole. Natural progression states that if something doesn't happen to change the feelings they will keep growing. Like how we know the sun will rise in the morning, natural progression at work. No one talks about it because of the assumption that it will not change. 

 

Kakashi noticing her feelings changed, as opposed to refraining from mentioning them or saying I don't know what they are now would indicate that her feelings have naturally progressed from a strong liking towards love- but because he mentioned that they changed it's only to indicate that they aren't the same as they were before and didn't naturally progress into love-

 

Not to mention, don't you love everyone's placement positions in this chapter? Sakura and Naruto standing closer to each other and talking to each other while Kakashi's talking about how her feelings were not as they once were? Imagery and placement of characters are also really good clues as to Kishi's authorial intentions are

 

At least, that's my take on this 

[James S Cassidy]

I can't wait to see what 4life has to say about this. He is going to soil himself.
 

 

 

Hipster for life.

 

Just ahead of the curve XD

[starlitestarbrite]

hi. just waned to say @JamesSCassidy:when do you do your podcasts' on youtube? the narusaku podcasts' are hilarious lol.