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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Mmm maybe if Naruto temporary dies, Obito might resurrect him. Dunno if he can still do that.

Asspull, Kishi can always make an exception or pull out an explanation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Either way, it's a big development for Naruto losing great power. I can sense Sasuke going "Yes! I'm better again!"

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Either way, it's a big development for Naruto losing great power. I can sense Sasuke going "Yes! I'm better again!"

I dont see him losing Kurama, in fact i sense him getting another powerup, getting the other half of Kurama.

[Smiter]

Ooh, cliffhanger.  Things are moving along quickly!

 

It's interesting that Madara didn't attempt to capture Minato's Dark Kyuubi as well, so perhaps he is unaware that Naruto has only half the Kyuubi's chakra.  There are a couple of possible outcomes:

 

1. Naruto has Kyuubi torn out of him, and Minato replaces it with Dark Kyuubi, thus allowing him to survive.

 

2. Minato adds Dark Kyuubi's power to Naruto, enabling him to smash the chains.

 

Of course, as was mentioned earlier in the chapter, there is also the possibility of Sasuke saving Naruto with his Susanoo.

 

*roots for a scene where Sakura sees Naruto is in danger*

[TouKen4Life3g]

I dont see him losing Kurama, in fact i sense him getting another powerup, getting the other half of Kurama.

Sasuke: "I hate you even more! You're so getting backstab, Naruto!!!"

[CloudMountainJuror]

Ok, so I guess Hashirama's sage jutsu is in fact responsible for the fact Madara was able to pop in his eye with no problem. That's out of the way. The susano'o mystery from last week is still running rampant, but I doubt that will be addressed.

 

As for this chapter: better than last week, of course. Now to sit back and watch Madara (hopefully) do some more damage.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ok, so I guess Hashirama's sage jutsu is in fact responsible for the fact Madara was able to pop in his eye with no problem. That's out of the way. The susano'o mystery from last week is still running rampant, but I doubt that will be addressed.
 
As for this chapter: better than last week, of course. Now to sit back and watch Madara (hopefully) do some more damage.

You know, it makes sense that Itachi put the eye in the jar back then. Yes, it was genjutsu but my point is that he didn't put it on ASAP. Funny how I didn't think about it. As for Susanoo, I keep hearing it's on the body rather than eyes from outside, but it's vague on how Susanoo works, so I'll just go with it.

I'm just glad he didn't go up there and just go all DBZ on them. This feels like wrestling business, making one rising star and current one in a safe position. In other words, Kishi made sure Bijuus are in safe position by getting absorbed rather getting beat up to KO or death. That I would give credit.

[James S Cassidy]

I have no problem against that. I mean come on even if he dies, we all know he is coming back. The one I'm worried about is Bee.

Also if Naruto "dies" mostly likely we are going to see a NS moment maybe like the OVA.

 

 

I don't think that the kyuubi will be extracted from Naruto.He's the main character. Someone will intervene for saving him.... Guess who will be... I tend to rule out Kakashi and Minato since they seem to be busy with black zetsu and Obito stuff.

 

Gai? an old wsj preview reinforce this theory

Sasuke? He's Kishimoto's favourite after all lol

Hashirama? He seems to be wounded.

Tobirama? He likes Naruto but this would be too recurring since he saved already him before

Sakura? I'd like this.

Rookies? Probably.

 

There's one other theory: Naruto will be saved by... himself LOL

 

 

*rubs hands together*

This is the moment of truth for me....Let's see if my weeks and weeks of predicting a NS moment in chapter 660 will come to pass. (Granted we agreed that if it happens in 661, it still counts) So close. So very close.

 

Madara is a weird one isn't he. Why is he so special? He is like no ordinary anything in this manga. This is why I feel sorry for Obito. Yeah he did some horrible things, but Madara was and always will be the mastermind behind it all. He is manipulative, he is a careful planner, he is sometimes over zealous, but at the same time he always has a way out of he over exerts. He is practically perfect in almost every way and no matter what he always gets more powerful.

I first admitted I hated his OPness and his haxxor ways, but maybe that is what is interesting about him now. The fact that he is waaay too good to be true. That also might be his weakness in itself. What happens when he faces a problem he cannot deal with? Not like he hasn't before like facing up against Hashirama and lost.

Obito is fighting off the black zetsu clone and still retains consciousness. I think he will be the one to take out Madara. I don't know I have a feeling obito's end will be that of Darth Vadar.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 December 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I take it James you will be like I told you so. You could say in a sense obito is like vader and Madara is like palatine.

[James S Cassidy]

I take it James you will be like I told you so. You could say in a sense obito is like vader and Madara is like palatine.

 

lol Yeah well....Steve will not be the only one with a huge celebration. XDD

[BlueStarSaber]

lol Yeah well....Steve will not be the only one with a huge celebration. XDD

Shall I play the final music again if it does?

[KnS]

A few thoughts off the top of my head....

 

I still don't understand Madara's motivation.  What does he really want?  What is the point of all this?  Just so he can wear his World Domination tee shirt on casual Fridays?

 

Reading through the thread and seeing so many comments about Sasuke being the one to save Naruto... at first I thought it was too soon for that.  But maybe not.

 

I mean, I don't see Naruto losing Kurama to Madara without a fight -- especially since Naruto knows Kurama hates Madara in particular and he promised Kurama he wouldn't be used forever.  Perhaps during this struggle Sasuke does intervene -- a la the encounter with Haku in the ice prison when his body "moved on its own." 

 

But maybe it's not enough, and Naruto loses the yang half of Kurama and dies or is near death.  This scenario would allow Sakura to fulfill the sacrifice foreshadowed by Chiyo -- or at least be willing to, based on a full realization of her feelings for Naruto.

 

Then Minato gifts Naruto with the yin half, restoring his life and finding the closure necessary to break the Edo Tensei and disappear.  I believe that in the end Madara will get killed; Sasuke has to be the last Uchiha standing, I think, and be willing to rebuild his clan with a new vision -- the sort of Big Decision Orochimaru is waiting to see if he'll make.

 

In such a scenario, Sasuke would be at least partially redeemed. However, a fight between Naruto and Sasuke still needs to happen, but perhaps it would be more of a personal rivalry rather than a dark vs. light / villain vs. hero fight.

 

/speculation

Edited by KnS, 18 December 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[sushi.]

I don't think Sasuke will save Naruto. He will be saved by a medic, because otherwise you would have to attack Madara. (do I need to say it won't work?) Or does anyone have another idea?

 

I don't think Sakura will fulfill her sacrifice yet, because that must be spared to his "big death". He is in constant danger in this war, but has not been directly injured so I guess I'm not expecting him to be bleeding next chapter either.

[James S Cassidy]

Shall I play the final music again if it does?

 

YES!!!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I still want to know if the extraction happens, will Naruto die, right away or later, or he can actually live? Vague from Kushina's extraction scene.

[sushi.]

I still want to know if the extraction happens, will Naruto die, right away or later, or he can actually live? Vague from Kushina's extraction scene.

Naruto won't die in an instant. It will be super-slow, dramatic, tragic and tearful..if it happens that is.

 

Naruto is half-Uzumaki, but I think the clan trait is dominant? The clans can't go on only by in-breeding you know.

 

If Kurama actually gets extracted, there's no way he can live. Kushina couldn't, and she was full-blood. Maybe someone can distract Madara? I think extraction jutsu requires tons of concentration and energy, so it might be enough.

[Branden]

 

A few thoughts off the top of my head....

 

I still don't understand Madara's motivation.  What does he really want?  What is the point of all this?  Just so he can wear his World Domination tee shirt on casual Fridays?

 

Reading through the thread and seeing so many comments about Sasuke being the one to save Naruto... at first I thought it was too soon for that.  But maybe not.

 

I mean, I don't see Naruto losing Kurama to Madara without a fight -- especially since Naruto knows Kurama hates Madara in particular and he promised Kurama he wouldn't be used forever.  Perhaps during this struggle Sasuke does intervene -- a la the encounter with Haku in the ice prison when his body "moved on its own." 

 

But maybe it's not enough, and Naruto loses the yang half of Kurama and dies or is near death.  This scenario would allow Sakura to fulfill the sacrifice foreshadowed by Chiyo -- or at least be willing to, based on a full realization of her feelings for Naruto.

 

Then Minato gifts Naruto with the yin half, restoring his life and finding the closure necessary to break the Edo Tensei and disappear.  I believe that in the end Madara will get killed; Sasuke has to be the last Uchiha standing, I think, and be willing to rebuild his clan with a new vision -- the sort of Big Decision Orochimaru is waiting to see if he'll make.

 

In such a scenario, Sasuke would be at least partially redeemed. However, a fight between Naruto and Sasuke still needs to happen, but perhaps it would be more of a personal rivalry rather than a dark vs. light / villain vs. hero fight.

 

/speculation

 

I think Madara is becoming skynet. He has all the power he needs to destroy the world if he wanted to. He doesn't though, because his purpose in life is war. Thus he will continue to keep people on the edge of extinction but never fully following through with his plans. He will do this until he is eventually defeated.

That theory is of course based on these recent chapters that show Madara more excited than he's ever been before because he finally feels the thrill of battle in a mortal body.

 

If you base it on his backstory, Madara is doing all of this because he has the means to reshape the world the way he sees fit on his own. I think in this case Madara's end plan isn't the moon eye plan. I think Madara wants power so that he can change the world by himself. He believes that peace will never last and thus a "Leviathan" is needed to keep the peace.

 

Naruto is the opposite. He believes that true peace can only be obtained by allowing people to be free and govern themselves. The only problem is that peace has never stood the test of time. This is why Nagato thought up the idea of a cycle of hatred where true peace can be attained by everyone for periods of time between war.

 

Madara brainwashed Obito by sharing this cycle and convincing Obito that the only way for everyone to be happy is to create a dreamworld where everyone could live the way they wanted to and not interfere with anyone else's desires because the people they interacted with would be an illusion.

 

Every philosophy of peace has had it's flaws. 

A "Leviathan" king will eventually become corrupt and lead to slavery, murder, and theft.

In a self governing society the first generation will be vigilant and protect the peace but over time their children will become soft then evil will take over leading to more war and conflict.

The "dream world" is a depressing end of the human race where people abandon reality in favor of an easier life.

 

 

The simplest answer is to create a self-governing society based on the philosophy of liberty that will remain vigilant no matter how many generations come to pass.

 

The problem is the bolded. How can you do that? Some authors just say leave it to hope. In TES Morrowind, Dagoth Ur's answer was to create an immortal race of philosophers. In Speaker for the Dead the answer was to convey feelings to people so that everyone loves each other. Honestly, I don't think we'll get an answer from Kishimoto. I think the ending will simply be "have hope for a bright future" as opposed to trying to beat the test of time. But who knows? Maybe Kishimoto will use chakra to come up with some perfect form of communication and the ending will be "only when people truly understand each other can there be peace".

 

 

In any case war and peace is an extremely common subject to base a story on and I don't read Naruto for that. I read it for the interesting weekly chapters and because the shipping wars have me invested in it.

[Liu bie]

So the choices are made Bee or Naruto or both?   Naruto will die temporary but about Bee?

[Atheck]

So the choices are made Bee or Naruto or both?   Naruto will die temporary but about Bee?

As harsh as this might sound, Bee is expendable. There's really not much else to his character now. He served his purpose as a mentor and guardian for Naruto. The only detail that's still unresolved is the fate of Samehada if he dies.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So the choices are made Bee or Naruto or both?   Naruto will die temporary but about Bee?

I can't help but think this way:

Bee's death:
Raikage: Oh no! He's dead...

Naruto's death:
Everyone and I do mean everyone: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE END IS HERE!!!!!!!

I guess The Joker's logic applies here about the importance difference.