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[sushi.]

A role and power-up for Sakura would make complete and utterly sense. I just don't have enough faith in this author that he'll actually write it. She'll get something for sure, just not by the standard of any other main-character. My hope have been sucked up during the all the time I've waited and waited. I don't know where to place her anymore, it's like she's waving between being a main and a side-character.
 
I am definitely pessimistic in nature, but I actually think I'm being reasonable about this.

I just decided to give this chapter a look after one of my friends posted a screenshot. I have to say, even though I'm not really reading the series anymore... I may just check it out every week for now to see Madara (hopefully) kick everyone to the curb.
 
At this point, I'm honestly rooting for him. The only character I really care about anymore is still stuck in Izanami, and Madara is at least entertaining to watch be badass.

I hope he has some sort of a weakness. So the fight wouldn't be about who's the most OP, but about strategy and key abilities. It'll also not take too long. I'm rooting for Madara because he's invincible to the TnJ, he does not hesitate or regret anything and so on.

Edited by sushi., 05 December 2013 - 06:53 AM.

[Hiraishin]

A role and power-up for Sakura would make complete and utterly sense. I just don't have enough faith in this author that he'll actually write it. She'll get something for sure, just not by the standard of any other main-character. My hope have been sucked up during the all the time I've waited and waited. I don't know where to place her anymore, it's like she's waving between being a main and a side-character.

I feel the same way. :(
 

I'm rooting for Madara because he's invincible to the TnJ, he does not hasitate or regret anything and so on.

Yep, that's also one of the reasons I'm so hyped for this. 

And yeah, actual strategies and whatnot is what I want, rather than just trying to throw attacks at him. But I'm not getting my hopes up.

Edited by Hiraishin, 05 December 2013 - 12:35 AM.

[Kster95]

1/10 of Katsuyu actually is really big. 

 

1

 

She takes up all the space between the roots and then you see this.

 

2

 

She is much bigger than the bijuus.

Edited by Kster95, 05 December 2013 - 12:42 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

That last page is pretty badass.....  Too bad the guy standing is a bad guy.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 05 December 2013 - 12:42 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

A role and power-up for Sakura would make complete and utterly sense. I just don't have enough faith in this author that he'll actually write it. She'll get something for sure, just not by the standard of any other main-character. My hope have been sucked up during the all the time I've waited and waited. I don't know where to place her anymore, it's like she's waving between being a main and a side-character.

 

You didnt explained why it makes sense. 
Actually i have faith in Kishi but on sakura, he didnt write her character to have a role outside the team 7.

When i say team 7 i'm talking about (Naruto, Sasuke and team 7 as whole).

All my hopes on Sakura getting an interesting development outside this died when he didnt killed Tsunade, i believe that if Tsunade had died she would be actively be involved on the peace and hatred subplot and a powerup would make completely sense.

She would be fighting to help Naruto and stop Sasuke because of her beliefs.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 December 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[TerrorKing]

So was Hashirama absorebed by Madara? That's kind of a bummer...but I guess him and Madara already had their ultimate fight. There's no need to have them fight again, that's what Naruto and Sasuke are here for. 

 

Sasuke seemed genuinely pissed at Madara, even going so far as to call him a "relic of the past". A bit ironic coming from a guy who has spent the better part of his life living in the past. Still, I get what Kishi is trying to convey. Madara wants to utilize the bijuu's, while Sasuke wants to destroy everything that has to do with the old and then rebuild the world.

 

So Black Zetsu apparently doesn't feel any remorse for Obito's death. It seems like he's about to utilize his real power. I wonder what that is.

 

I have to wonder though, why didn't Minato stop him from overtaking Obito's body? Isn't he supposed to be one of the fastest shinobi in the world? Perhaps I'm overthinking things.

 

It seems like all the fodder is being weeded out. Soon there will only be named characters left. It's been a while since we've seen Sakura. If it's true that the series is nearing the end and Kishi really does have more planned for Sakura, then I hope he delivers soon.   

[Shadow1275]

You didnt explained why it makes sense. 
Actually i have faith in Kishi but on sakura, he didnt write her character to have a role outside the team 7.

When i say team 7 i'm talking about (Naruto, Sasuke and team 7 as whole).

All my hopes on Sakura getting an interesting development outside this died when he didnt killed Tsunade, i believe that if Tsunade had died she would be actively be involved on the peace and hatred subplot and a powerup would make completely sense.

Bolded: In my opinion the biggest reason why she still needs a power-up, or at least another fight is to emphasize the fact that she has indeed caught up to Naruto and Sasuke like she said she did. Now let me preface my viewpoint to everybody by saying that I like Sakura, she is my second favorite character in the series. But even though she got some major development recently with the yin seal ability, the whole scene with her felt rushed. It's true that she did manage to destroy a whole ton of monsters, but it was clearly a blatant attempt to appease a portion of the fan-base angry at him for ignoring her.

 

Let me explain why the moment did not have as much of an impact as she deserves. It basically boils down to two things; the enemies that she took down, and the events that transpired afterwards. First, the clones that she killed while a great idea by Kishi, were far too rushed. They appeared for one chapter, got curbstomped, and then dissappeared never showing up again. In other words, she took down a threat that was not properly built up and could easily have been handled by most of the K9. In fact, it's hard to even call them a threat because they never really managed to do much damage. A better example of a minor threat would be the zetsu clones earlier, able to shift into allies and kill using deception. Those were properly built up and disposed of by Naruto.

 

Next we have the events that follow. After wrecking hundreds of Juubi clones, Sakura needs to be saved from the clones that she just wrecked. This does not discount what she did but come on Kishi, she just destroyed over a hundred of them with a single punch and she needs to be saved from one of them? Then though Sakura says that she has caught up with Naruto and Sasuke, who are the only K9 members powerful enough to take Obito head-on, Sakura still hangs back despite Tsunade's amazing healing powers and helps heal everyone. While she doesn't get enough respect for her healing skills' usefullness in a war, we already know she is a great healer. That was established in the beginning of part 2 when she removed the poison from Kankuro.

 

There is still development left over for Sakura's strength. For example, in part 1 she had that great rivalry character arc with Ino which sort of fizzled out in part 2. Why not have Ino be attacked by someone, say Madara controls the split Biju with his sharingan and has all 8 or 9 of them attack key parts of the Alliance. Sakura taking on a Biju and saving Ino who protected her from the bullies when she was young would be perfect development for her. The biju are considered to be the most powerful creatures in the world and Sakura taking one on would prove her strength.

Edited by Shadow1275, 05 December 2013 - 01:25 AM.

[Phantom_999]

Everything said about the excitement of Madara being alive is already stated so I don't need to say anything.  
 

^ it is Hashirama's senjutsu power, though.

My favourite part of the chapter is when Naruto says it burns. Good job, Naruto... Fire is hot.

 
Needless to say though that the physics of fire don't necessarily apply to fiction most of the time. Read this.
 
http://tvtropes.org/...onSchmonvection
 
It is mentioned that katon jutsu is really downplayed as it should be because of the fantasy rule of "don't  physically touch the fire (or what have you) and you'll be fine".

Edited by Phantom_999, 05 December 2013 - 01:47 AM.

[Shadow1275]

 

Needless to say though that the physics of fire don't necessarily apply to fiction most of the time. Read this

 

http://tvtropes.org/...onSchmonvection

 

It is mentioned that katon jutsu is really downplayed as it should be because of the fantasy rule of "don't touch the fire and you'll be fine" 

Ah tv tropes.com, I've spent a lot of wasted hours on that site

[Kster95]

I dont understand why people are overrating Madara, sure he is blind and kicked both Naruto and Sasuke's butts but Naruto and Sasuke just took down the Juubi's jin and have been fighting for 2 days straight with no breaks.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Ah tv tropes.com, I've spent a lot of wasted hours on that site

 

Same here, lol, it can get addicting.

[tricksie]

Bolded: In my opinion the biggest reason why she still needs a power-up, or at least another fight is to emphasize the fact that she has indeed caught up to Naruto and Sasuke like she said she did. Now let me preface my viewpoint to everybody by saying that I like Sakura, she is my second favorite character in the series. But even though she got some major development recently with the yin seal ability, the whole scene with her felt rushed. It's true that she did manage to destroy a whole ton of monsters, but it was clearly a blatant attempt to appease a portion of the fan-base angry at him for ignoring her.

 

Let me explain why the moment did not have as much of an impact as she deserves. It basically boils down to two things; the enemies that she took down, and the events that transpired afterwards. First, the clones that she killed while a great idea by Kishi, were far too rushed. They appeared for one chapter, got curbstomped, and then dissappeared never showing up again. In other words, she took down a threat that was not properly built up and could easily have been handled by most of the K9. In fact, it's hard to even call them a threat because they never really managed to do much damage. A better example of a minor threat would be the zetsu clones earlier, able to shift into allies and kill using deception. Those were properly built up and disposed of by Naruto.

 

Next we have the events that follow. After wrecking hundreds of Juubi clones, Sakura needs to be saved from the clones that she just wrecked. This does not discount what she did but come on Kishi, she just destroyed over a hundred of them with a single punch and she needs to be saved from one of them? Then though Sakura says that she has caught up with Naruto and Sasuke, who are the only K9 members powerful enough to take Obito head-on, Sakura still hangs back despite Tsunade's amazing healing powers and helps heal everyone. While she doesn't get enough respect for her healing skills' usefullness in a war, we already know she is a great healer. That was established in the beginning of part 2 when she removed the poison from Kankuro.

 

I like the way you explained it. She's killing off fodder enemies instead of taking down one that has real weight in the storyline. Sure she was bad a$$ in the fighting, but right now she doesn't really stand out as the third inheritor of the Legendary Sennins. 

 

My other thought about Sakura getting a last big power up is that when Kishimoto does get to the end and he really has to commit to one love for Naruto instead of dueling between Sakura and Hinata, whoever the lead  girl is (Sakura), Kishimoto is going to have to beef up her storyline to persuade the rest of the readers that she is the right choice. Otherwise he betrays the half of his readership that he has strung along. Sakura has to look the part of the hero's partner. And Hinata has to have a fulfilling future of her own to go to. But they can't be parallel. One girl has to stand out, head and shoulders above the rest, so that there is no doubt that Kishi has made the right choice. 

 

A big power up/fight scene/sacrifice will get that ball rolling.

[morgaine4]

 

Anyway srsly every chapter you guys are saying "where's Sakura?" or when Sakura will show up?

srsly can you guys stop?

 

Seriously and honestly?  No, I can't stop. 

 

The war arc has been poorly executed (IMO), it's been tedious to read through --though it's much better when read as a whole-- it just needs to end.  Obito was dealt with terribly and I can't bring myself to care about or feel the tension that Madara has supposedly brought to the story.  I know that many are excited about how "boss" Madara is or whatever, but I don't feel it.  Madara will lose in the end, he might take some characters down, he might take some of the biju down, he might even extract Kurama which might force Minato to seal his have of Kurama into Naruto or something, but ultimately Madara's going to lose.  This "tension" just isn't affecting me a bit, I'm just bored and this point and the Sakura's potential is all that interests me, but I know that we'll get very little with the character (until team 7 drama is at the forefront whoop-de-doo *throws confetti which adds to the ridiculous amount of plastic pollution in the ocean*) --I'm annoyed, not surprised.

 

Naruto and Sasuke are way too OP for me to really give a darn about either of them (I like them both well-enough), but I'm not interested, the other members of K11 have been reduced to minions.  I was a bit excited for Sai and Gaara, but the main reason I'm sticking with the manga because I want to know what happens to Sakura.  I found out that Neji died (which is the reason I started re-reading the manga after about a 2 year break) because I was curious about what happened with Sakura.  I don't want Sakura to get random panel placings, but it's incredibly frustrating that there are constant opportunities to insert Sakura into the story, but Kishi refuses to do so.  Other than Yamato, all the members of Team 7  and Kakashi are involved in the front lines --aside from Sakura that is-- and I'm sick of it.  Though, you probably won't read many more complaints from me.  I'll probably read to the end of the year cliffhanger then take another break (depending on what happens in the next 3 chapters, and wait till the war is over or the manga is finished to pick Naruto up again, it reads much better that way anyway...).

 

Someone mentioned Yamato, and yes it's true that Yamato has been missing but member of Team Kakashi or not Yamato isn't supposed to be as important of a character as Sakura --the supposed heroine-- is supposed to be.  Yamato doesn't have much story potential, unless it's related specifically to Orochimaru I guess, his power-ups, his training, his family etc etc don't really matter.  Kishi teased us in 632 with the possibility of a true SasuNaruSaku team-up, but I'm still waiting.  Chances are Sakura won't be relevant again until Team 7 drama is brought to the forefront (and I hope I'm wrong) but I'd like to see what she can do beside her original team.  Seriously, are Naruto and Sasuke going to work together with...........a re-assembled Hidan before we see them team up with Sakura?

 

 

And to answer the question is it really important that the symbols resemble each other? Yes. There are two modes of storytelling going on here: the literal words, and the visual art. Kishimoto has to be both, but as I've said before, the art comes across without translation, so it's important not to disregard it. We agonize over the turns of phrase, but the imagery conveys just as much of a message. And Kishi has shown many times over that he has planted images that are only unveiled to have significance much later on. 

 

Plus, one would assume that Kishi would pay more attention to detail with respect to the way he draws Hashirama than he would draw random unknowns back during the chuunin exam.

 

It would also be interesting if Sakura got her own form of mokuton (a way to manipulate her chakra in such a way to use her own form mokuton), cherry blossoms are prunus tree flowers and if I remember correctly Chatte has some evidence that throughout the manga Sakura has been the one to comment upon or react to mokuton.  But I doubt it'll happen, or that she'll get sage mode --though the question still remains how and when will we see slug sage mode?  I think she'll have something, her seal release was too low key for it to have been all she'll receive, but I don't know that I believe that she'll anything other than the seal.

 

A role and power-up for Sakura would make complete and utterly sense. I just don't have enough faith in this author that he'll actually write it. She'll get something for sure, just not by the standard of any other main-character. My hope have been sucked up during the all the time I've waited and waited. I don't know where to place her anymore, it's like she's waving between being a main and a side-character.

 

Honestly, I think even Naruto has been written as more of a plot device than a character.  Haha.  But, yeah I agree with you.

[arian_rad]

1/10 of Katsuyu actually is really big. 
 

1

 
She takes up all the space between the roots and then you see this.
 

2

 
She is much bigger than the bijuus.

Ok, not even a chance... The roots katsuyu is in between are much smaller in distance from each other compared to the roots the bijuu's are in between.

[Kster95]

Ok, not even a chance... The roots katsuyu is in between are much smaller in distance from each other compared to the roots the bijuu's are in between.

 

Yeah I don't think so. They all seem pretty much even to me. 

1

Edited by Kster95, 05 December 2013 - 05:12 AM.

[Chatte]

Ok, not even a chance... The roots katsuyu is in between are much smaller in distance from each other compared to the roots the bijuu's are in between.

The roots are the same, the position from which all of them are drawn are different. Katsuyu's panel is made to see from above while the one with the Bijuus are made to see from the front. It's all a matter of perceptual drawing, but the roots were presented as equal.

And I know some people @NB made some calculations and Katsuyu's total size would be around the size of ShinsuuSenju. Which as we saw, was bigger than Kyuubi in its full form, so it's not that far-fetched.

[rocci]

the next chapter, I belive madara will swept the alliance until only some ninja, just like what other members predict.

 

this arc remind me with chunnin arc in garra vs naruto with obito as garaa and madara as shukaku, I think.

 

Oh, and I'm the one who said that sakura will play a role in this war arc, simply because tobi is obito. If tobi isn't obito I doubt that sakura will get a role in the last phase of this arc. I mean in order for obito to gainning peace, he need to see "his other obito" to succed where he failed, and to show that madara was behind the incident and pull vader move with kakashi help, thus the hero of sharingan will restore

 

and I think sakura seal just like when rock lee release his ballast legs, and I belive that sakura will get a power up if she get a fight in the next arc again orochimaru, since it would complete her fighting role in the save garra arc.

thus I think in the next arc there will be a mini arc, and that mini arc is a trainning arc for each team seven with sasuke train to gain rinnegan and the other power up, naruto with his uzumaki fuuinjutsu, and sakura with ssm and/or maybe genjutsu and elemental jutsu with kakashi(since the other member already train with kakashi and all of them learned elemental ninjutsu). but it's just a prediction.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Bolded: In my opinion the biggest reason why she still needs a power-up, or at least another fight is to emphasize the fact that she has indeed caught up to Naruto and Sasuke like she said she did.

Despite being on your opinion, you know that the context was about being capable of fighting alongside them instead of being protected by them.
She didnt meant that she's now a fighter on the same level as them, she now can stand as an equal between them because she can fight now instead of being behind them.
 

Now let me preface my viewpoint to everybody by saying that I like Sakura, she is my second favorite character in the series. But even though she got some major development recently with the yin seal ability, the whole scene with her felt rushed. It's true that she did manage to destroy a whole ton of monsters, but it was clearly a blatant attempt to appease a portion of the fan-base angry at him for ignoring her.

THe moment felt rushed as many others too.
He didnt write that scene to "look how she's badass" killing fodders is not meaningfull but rather what was empashized was her healing skills with the remote healing, i dont care about haters because they will continue hating her anyway.
THat moment was development rather than take down haters.
 

Let me explain why the moment did not have as much of an impact as she deserves. It basically boils down to two things; the enemies that she took down, and the events that transpired afterwards. First, the clones that she killed while a great idea by Kishi, were far too rushed. They appeared for one chapter, got curbstomped, and then dissappeared never showing up again. In other words, she took down a threat that was not properly built up and could easily have been handled by most of the K9. In fact, it's hard to even call them a threat because they never really managed to do much damage. A better example of a minor threat would be the zetsu clones earlier, able to shift into allies and kill using deception. Those were properly built up and disposed of by Naruto.

What was emphasized was her healing skills, that attack was to give her self confidence and to show her power to Naruto and Sasuke rather than just "kill fodders", she felt they didnt needed to fight to protect her anymore and that was enough for her.
 Sakura lacks ambition and those chapters made her look satisfied with her current powerup, and this is determinant for me to conclude why i dont believe she will get further powerups, she has nothing beside team 7 (Naruto, Sasuke and team 7 as whole), Naruto fight for peace and for his dream of kage, Sasuke has his revengefull desires and but what Sakura has?

Even on the summit she instead of vowing, I'll be stronger and help Naruto and make sure he doesnt die she just give up and said "i'll believe on them".
This is not the type of attitude of someome who wants a strong powerup.
 

Next we have the events that follow. After wrecking hundreds of Juubi clones, Sakura needs to be saved from the clones that she just wrecked. This does not discount what she did but come on Kishi, she just destroyed over a hundred of them with a single punch and she needs to be saved from one of them? Then though Sakura says that she has caught up with Naruto and Sasuke, who are the only K9 members powerful enough to take Obito head-on, Sakura still hangs back despite Tsunade's amazing healing powers and helps heal everyone. While she doesn't get enough respect for her healing skills' usefullness in a war, we already know she is a great healer. That was established in the beginning of part 2 when she removed the poison from Kankuro.

That was a joke that Kishi made to make fun of her like "dont feel too cocky".
 

There is still development left over for Sakura's strength. For example, in part 1 she had that great rivalry character arc with Ino which sort of fizzled out in part 2. Why not have Ino be attacked by someone, say Madara controls the split Biju with his sharingan and has all 8 or 9 of them attack key parts of the Alliance. Sakura taking on a Biju and saving Ino who protected her from the bullies when she was young would be perfect development for her. The biju are considered to be the most powerful creatures in the world and Sakura taking one on would prove her strength.

What rivary would she have with Ino, only if you want her to go back on a state of fangirlism to fight over Sasuke.
 
He cant control the bijuu's being blind.
And even then what about the kages.

 

I dont understand why people are overrating Madara, sure he is blind and kicked both Naruto and Sasuke's butts but Naruto and Sasuke just took down the Juubi's jin and have been fighting for 2 days straight with no breaks.

HIs plan was ridiculous he lost his sharingan and rinnegan at least he could kick Vegeta's ass, ahem "Sasuke".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 December 2013 - 09:23 AM.

[arian_rad]

The roots are the same, the position from which all of them are drawn are different. Katsuyu's panel is made to see from above while the one with the Bijuus are made to see from the front. It's all a matter of perceptual drawing, but the roots were presented as equal.
And I know some people @NB made some calculations and Katsuyu's total size would be around the size of ShinsuuSenju. Which as we saw, was bigger than Kyuubi in its full form, so it's not that far-fetched.

It's up for speculation but from the original scan of katsuyu in between those tree roots and the way katsuyu is facing there is absolutely no way that even if it they are drawn from different angles that those roots are the same distance apart. It's kishi's inconsistency with drawing them. Katsuyu's 5% size was a bit bigger than gamabunta and that is height wise. The 10% size should only be double that size so I don't see how a 10% katsuyu could be bigger then all the bijuu's.

[Kster95]

It's up for speculation but from the original scan of katsuyu in between those tree roots and the way katsuyu is facing there is absolutely no way that even if it they are drawn from different angles that those roots are the same distance apart. It's kishi's inconsistency with drawing them. Katsuyu's 5% size was a bit bigger than gamabunta and that is height wise. The 10% size should only be double that size so I don't see how a 10% katsuyu could be bigger then all the bijuu's.

Its the perspective of panels, Katsuyu from the top and the bijuus from the side, where was it stated that was 5% Katsuyu?