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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

again proud that Kishimoto didn't make Sakura one of Naruto's kittenies as he did with K11.

Me too :)

 

It showed me that he knows she's strong and her role after all so he doesnt need to give her a powerup and neither a rasengan for her to do something.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 October 2013 - 11:42 AM.

[六道仙人]

Yeah... that K11 attack with rasengan was really a joke but since the subject of this chapter was the friendship I guess that Kishimoto had to find a way to put it out... It wasn't a great result anyway..

 

Why Kakashi is still in Kamui world lol?

[Psychox]

Great chapter!

 

The k11 with rasengans

Yup

The manga is focusing on friendships which is kind of the main theme of it. I just hope that we will get more action and less talk in the following chapters although i doubt that Obito will go so easily since he hasn't been redeemed yet.I wanna see him using more Rinnegan than bijuu balls , in other words get serious..We saw how that fight with Nagato went and it was hella thrilling and interesting this however is getting ups and downs every chapter .  Sakura getting paralleled to Rin is his way to salvation . I'm getting very curious what Madara's trump is and what he will do next?

Edited by Psychox, 16 October 2013 - 11:57 AM.

[alexander]

The sad thing is that this arc will still drag thanks to Madara and Sasuke. This war is starting to feel like an never ending story. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The sad thing is that this arc will still drag thanks to Madara and Sasuke. This war is starting to feel like an never ending story. 

I felt the chapter too short.

[六道仙人]

before the comradeship, now the friendship... I see here what Kishi is doing...

[rocci]

i think as soon as obito fall, madara will fall too.

i don't know but i see a starwars episode 6 when darthvader getting tnj by luke.

 

@六道仙人

of course ^^

Edited by rocci, 16 October 2013 - 12:06 PM.

[Turson]

Now we know why Neji died. Kurama just dont have enough tails, if he had ten of them Neji would be safe and sound.

 

Even though it didnt make sense for Naruto (other than plot purposes) to involve K9, since he could just use his clones, the chapter was nice. I loved PS/Kurama fusion.

[Dkey]

Now we know why Neji died. Kurama just dont have enough tails, if he had ten of them Neji would be safe and sound.

 

Even though it didnt make sense for Naruto (other than plot purposes) to involve K9, since he could just use his clones, the chapter was nice. I loved PS/Kurama fusion.

 

Neji could've replaced Sai and have Sai be more involved in the team 7 drama.

[rocci]

@turson,

well sai is the one who take neji place.

and i don't know that you are this forum member.

do you think naruto and sasuke will get another power up?

[Turson]

@turson,

well sai is the one who take neji place.

and i don't know that you are this forum member.

do you think naruto and sasuke will get another power up?

As for Neji, I wasnt completely serious with that.

 

Power ups... obviously. Naruto is yet to get full power of Kurama, and Sasuke is still on his way to surpass Madara. Although he developed PS, its still like 3 times smaller than Madaras.

Edited by Turson, 16 October 2013 - 12:14 PM.

[Liu bie]

do you think naruto and sasuke will get another power up?

Naruto will need full power of Kurama.

Did Naruto receive power from Bee and eight tails i do not remember? 

[Phantom_999]

*Ahem* Guys I think some if us are getting the wrong idea here. The K11 are not Naruto's tools or minions, they're this friends that represent the bonds that Obito cut off himself. Why wasn't Sakura there? Well for one, she's busy helping Tsunade support the rest of the alliance with Katsuyu for one, and I don't hear many mentioning that. That is just as important a role as many have kept arguing for, but seem to have forgotten.   Second, I recall Kurama having only nine Tails, so even if Sakura was in it he'd have to kick someone else out, and that someone clearly has would not have use for something else. Even Ino is not as potent a healer as Sakura if it is hyped that she will surpass Tsunade right? YES, we will hear NH fans ranting about how Hinata must be more important than Sakura to Naruto for being in the attack,but they are just clearly finding the slightest infraction for their ship to work even if there is nothing. And helping someone with an attack doesn't guarantee that you will run off into the sunset with them like some no-brainer love story.   And have some have said that may hint at Sakura helping in the field directly too and she may not need a power up. Remember she was the one who wiped out most if not all the Juubi clones.    

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 October 2013 - 12:37 PM.

[Inferno180]

Well my prediction of an armored kurama sussano was right, cool to see naruto and Sasuke pull that off.

Kakashi is coming back which is the most important thing, neat to see how the sharingan relay can impact even him for only having the sharingan.

As for the whole k11 striking obito, well I'm a little upset sakura didn't get in it, but then again the reverse is also true, because she didn't get it this can mean something else for her, besides how many moments has she gotten already this time? This is kinda kishis way of lumping the rest of them together who hadn't had screentime to do anything for a while. Fans may go again ranting in sakura for not taking part, yet they simply forget again: this is narutos power they are using, they won't have it for good. One unison strike was what did obito in this chapter but the fight is still not over. Besides in my opinion this kinda gives sakura more of a reason to stand out, she had some of her own time while it had to be everyone else to get a temporary powerup from naruto. I wouldn't be suprised if this all goes away next chapter or if sakura gets a big future moment after the past few like awaking the seal and saving shikamaru with naruto and tsunade.

Overall a decent chapter but not too thrilled at the rookies being lumped together for something like this, I mean is this is cover how they didn't have time screentime for the past few chapters? I mean not counting team 7, shikamaru had a fair amount of time in and out. Ino had a bit behind him. Everyone else was very limited, hinata had 615 and that ended. The rest were lumped into 633 which was like a filler chapter. Sai has been in and out too but he kept asking questions about Sasuke. So yeah because we have seen team 7 the majority of the time this arc out of the rookies, and with the edo hokage having taken a larger chunk of the time too before the current kage arrived, teams 8,10, and gai had very limited screentime (shikamaru is the expection).

Well not much else this week, obito finally getting his butt nailed was good. For a moment that sword reminded me of the fierce deity sword from zelda majoras mask. Seriously a giant helix sword belonging to a supposed god? For a moment when obito said it contained the spirit of the sage, I thought it would burn out and fail for obito because naruto has that spirt of goodwill like the sage. Otherwise it still did fail. Sakura has her time, I mean just remember this:

Sakura has her own moments with naruto, not when everyone else needs to jump in, if it comes down to team 7 to put on the final blow on obito, well I still would not be suprised if sakura steps up to assist in one final way this fight beyond healing. But she's still working with tsunade, I mean tsunade is staying back with sakura despite being at good fighting condition. If sakura is being called useless than I guess tsunade is as well just because they are focusing in the tree and not obito. This is the same way people mocked tsunade for saying good job to sakura, they yelled she didn't do a good job and tsunade was dilusional, yet how quickly did they forget the offscreen moment gap where katsuyu told the 5 kage everything that happened after their recovery? Geez missing something like so simple, no wonder a few people reading this series have issues in arguements over sakura.

Anyways, not bad or good, it was decent, while the unison strike was good, kinda feel that the k11 save sakura have become like tokens of more power for naruto and Sasuke. Unless this was a one time deal or it expands to the allaince, then I would expect more, but again I feel that due to sakura being out of it, it could be in one part because of her previous frequent screentime or otherwise just have something else for her in the future. The odd one out ordeal, or in Sakura's case, there can be a special save in store for her.

[Quinny52]

The sad thing is that this arc will still drag thanks to Madara and Sasuke. This war is starting to feel like an never ending story. 

Aaaahhh, aaaahhh, aaaahhh

Never endi- 

Sorry, couldn't resist.  Nevertheless I agree, it is starting to drag on for me, but I think the conclusion isn't far away now.

 

@Psychox - That's an interesting thought; will Sakura play a part in (or even be the key to) Obito's redemption before his (inevitable) death.

 

600th post!      

[Codus N]

@Codus, I am going to post something i have discussed with Morgaine on Tumblr regarding what you said.

 

 

And what, pray tell, has she contributed to help Naruto in his endeavor of uniting the 5 Nations? honestly. All I'm asking is, what is her role in helping Naruto achieve peace among the 5 nations? tell me. An adviser the likes of Shikamaru? hasn't shown jack about that. What role does she play in Naruto's dream? Kushina did it through teaching Minato her sealing techniques which made him a legend. If you're going to say Sakura is indispensable to Naruto, then I ask you of this, has she shown herself to be the one to fill in Naruto's weakness? the saying "behind a great man, there is a greater woman", in my interpretation is that she fills in the man's weakness.

 

@morgaine: I compare Naruto to other mangas because I know that Kishi can do better. He's just too lazy. And that, my friend is the mark of a terrible mangaka/writeer. I don't mind if she gets her moment in the final part of this battle, but with how long she's been out of the spotlight, general readers (new/non-fans) would go "wait, I thought she's supposed to be a background character?"  and the reasoning is that Kishi has consistently lacked to make her actually relevant in each arc.

 

I make it relevant because there is a serious lack of relevance of Sakura's character. What does Sakura contribute to the plot, really?

 

@Red: Yeah, he has somewhat proven us wrong, but there is still a serious lack of consistency......

 

@NS4L3G:

 

What the hell? I don't even pull all-nighters just to stare at my laptop!!! go to sleep!!!

 

Anyways, the problem with Sakura is that we never actually see her POV. With Winry, we do. We see how she worries herself to death about Edward out there who could end up dead (automail broken and all) on the streets. Chapter 573 does show us a bit of it, but I think we're only scratching the surface with that one. I think there's more. I wouldn't have minded if we got her Full POV without holding anything back much earlier. If Kishi wanted to put her into the background like now (to save her for later). I think he should've shown it earlier and have this arc to put on the finishing touches. 

 

I see story-writing as a full course meal. You have to meticulously prepare them for the reader (the customer), and each dish needs to go well with each other. You can't have the main course with dessert at the same time.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

And what, pray tell, has she contributed to help Naruto in his endeavor of uniting the 5 Nations? honestly. All I'm asking is, what is her role in helping Naruto achieve peace among the 5 nations? tell me. An adviser the likes of Shikamaru? hasn't shown jack about that. What role does she play in Naruto's dream? Kushina did it through teaching Minato her sealing techniques which made him a legend. If you're going to say Sakura is indispensable to Naruto, then I ask you of this, has she shown herself to be the one to fill in Naruto's weakness? the saying "behind a great man, there is a greater woman", in my interpretation is that she fills in the man's weakness.

 

@morgaine: I compare Naruto to other mangas because I know that Kishi can do better. He's just too lazy. And that, my friend is the mark of a terrible mangaka/writeer. I don't mind if she gets her moment in the final part of this battle, but with how long she's been out of the spotlight, general readers (new/non-fans) would go "wait, I thought she's supposed to be a background character?"  and the reasoning is that Kishi has consistently lacked to make her actually relevant in each arc.

 

I make it relevant because there is a serious lack of relevance of Sakura's character. What does Sakura contribute to the plot, really?

 

@Red: Yeah, he has somewhat proven us wrong, but there is still a serious lack of consistency......

 

@NS4L3G:

 

What the hell? I don't even pull all-nighters just to stare at my laptop!!! go to sleep!!!

 

It's shown on previous chapters that this doesnt matter, Obito said it very well (If Naruto doesnt redeem Sasuke or save him the war is meaningless some bullsh** kishi did but he literally says that the victory here is meaningless if Sasuke is not saved)
Sakura it's not part of this whole (peace dream) because she never lose anyone who's close to her neither was part of the whole hatred thing, as for Naruto the peace is his secondary achievement, the whole story and the main plot is literally Naruto vs Sasuke and how the world plays around it with even the peace thing is also involved into this Naruto x Sasuke like if Naruto fails on redeeming Sasuke the world will never find peace even if hye manage to unite the 5 nations together it's bs but it's kishi's writing, and Sakura is part of this whole Naruto x Sasuke which is the main plot.

This war is more about Naruto's friends and shinobi in general rather than Naruto himself.

 

 

About Sakura filling Naruto's weakness depends on whioch interpretation it gets, but was more the inverse, Naruto was able to fill up Sakura's weakness when Sasuke departed by giving her a purpose and not allowing her to give up on the shinobi which later she went to train with Tsunade(he pretty much filled the hole that was on her heart [ i see what you did there]) and her desire was to return what Naruto did to her, which obviously developed into love because she thought she had lose everything when Sasuke departed, about the other way, the story it's not finished and since Naruto x Sasuke is the main plot her helping Naruto there somehow makes her up to this.

Which kishi literally spoilled it on the color cover and how the way the story is going to.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 October 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Ok that was shorter than I thought, never the less I'm happy.

 

Kinda got annoyed at first when Sakura was left out, but like you said Chatte she doesn't need that power to be awesome. In a way it kinda reminds of chapter 515 were Naruto was left out due to being the main target of this war while everyone was all dressed up and ready for war, I bet Naruto wished he had a chance to change his outfit now given the state it's in  .

 

I wonder what Madara's next move is now that he has the perfect chance to take the Ten Tails.

Edited by BlueStarSaber, 16 October 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[Paptala]

This was another 'meh' chapter to me.  My opinion is very much similar to Morgaine's - I found the chapter a bit laughable in places, and am used to the story's level of quality at this point.

 

I'm surprised that anyone would suggest Hinata was portrayed in a more important light or role in this chapter - she was completely relegated to the background, as part of the crowd.  We didn't even see her in the full cloak like others, and she didn't get a single line of thought or dialogue (unlike Sakura, who at least got two prominent panels and a line of thought).

 

I'm inclined to believe those who believe Sakura was excluded from the group attack for a reason - she is not on the same level as the K11 to Naruto in terms of what she represents.  Just as Rin is separated from the rest of Obito's friends in terms of what she means to him, so too is Sakura for Naruto.  Granted I could be wrong, and Kishi really did just relegate Sakura to background healing because he couldn't fit everyone into the tails, but I think its less likely than the former theory.

 

And yes, she's doing an important task in healing the alliance who is currently battling the tree still, but its still a bit disappointing for the heroine to be relegated to a non-action position doing the same thing she has been doing for the majority of the war, especially when Tsunade is there to pick up the slack as well.

 

By the way, did anyone notice that Sakura and Tsunade's seal went back to its normal state?  Do they not need to keep it released for their healing to work?

 

It was interesting to see Obito's thoughts of what could have been - as others have mentioned, it seems likely that Naruto will now be put in Obito's shoes and experience what it was like to loose his "Rin."

 

I wonder if Sakura is actually going to get injured, or if Naruto will just have similar thoughts of what could have been (if this is the route he goes, I would imagine that he would think of not getting there on time to save Sakura from Sasuke's attack at the summit).

 

@ Codus:  I have to ask, if you're so unhappy with the story, then why do you continue to read it?  I can understand wanting to see how it all turns out in the end, but you could just as easily wait until the story is actually done to see that, or at least wait and read chapters in chunks.

 

I'm not trying to tell you that you don't have a right to voice your opinion here, but I know I wouldn't bother reading if I was that frustrated and/or unhappy with the material.  I agree the manga has definitely declined in quality overall, in regard to what it once was and in comparison to some other mangakas, but we've all known this for a while now.  I don't let it bother me because I know what to expect each week.  Personally, I think Kishi is burned out on this story, and didn't plan it out well enough.  As he said in a recent interview, he only has an ending in mind, not the stuff in between, and he's just creating the story on the fly to get to that ending.

 

As to your questions:

 

Have Sakura and Naruto displayed trust in one another?:  Yes, I think they have.  Perhaps not to the same level as Winry and Ed, but there have been moments that showed it.  I think the end of chapter 631 is the moment that comes first to mind, as does Sakura's speech in 630 where she is speaking for Naruto, clarifying his intent to the alliance.  Sakura showed trust in Naruto when she told him about Sasuke's curse seal, when she asked him to bring back Sasuke, and when she called out for him during the Pein invasion.  Naruto showed trust in Sakura when he specifically told her Kurama was sealed in him, when she initially held Naruto back from interfering in Chiyo's jutsu to save Gaara, and when he told her that he would be fine as long as he had her to heal him and that her support in the quest to retrieve Sasuke made him happy.

 

I'm sure there are more instances, but those are the ones I can recall off the top of my head.

 

How has Sakura contributed to Naruto's endeavor of breaking the cycle of hatred/uniting the 5 nations?:  Specifically, the closest I can think of is by giving the speech in 628 where she spoke on Naruto's behalf to the alliance, and motivated them to fight.  In general, she has almost always supported Naruto and his actions (e.g. when the rookies were lambasting him for letting Sasuke go at the summit, it was Sakura who jumped in to defend his actions to them, and when Naruto said he would work with Sai even if he hated him in order to save Sasuke, Sakura concurred and held back on attacking Sai as she said earlier she would) and Naruto too has normally followed if Sakura takes a course of action (e.g. when Sakura said that she was going to talk to Danzo after hearing the death sentence on Sasuke's head, Naruto agreed to go as well, and if Sakura tells him to calm down and listen, he normally does as well - we saw this most prominently in the Sai and Sasuke arc).

Edited by Paptala, 16 October 2013 - 01:42 PM.

[arian_rad]

Was the one preview with the uchiha eyes meeting the preview for chapter 652?