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[BlueStarSaber]

True, not only Naruto saved Shikamaru, also Sakura did it due to her hearling jutsu. That's why Ino thanked both of them, for what they did to Shikamaru. Then Tsunade covered Shikamaru at 100%...  I wonder if Sakura is tired...

 

I think she is fine even if she is she is as stubborn as Naruto

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

How quick we judge , eh? It was Naruto and Sakura's shared efforts (though he did it more indirectly) that he didn't perish right there on the spot ,Tsunade just gave the finishing touch. I just dislike it when Sakura doesn't receive the praise the actually needs .... Ugh..

Some people will do whatever it takes to downgrade Sakura's canon capabilities and actions. This annoys me as well, but unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it. The fact that they can't accept and appreciate canon is their problem. They'll find any way possible to convince themselves (and others perhaps) that Sakura is a useless bad character even when it's obviously not the case. Denial is really powerful, isn't it? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

True, not only Naruto saved Shikamaru, also Sakura did it due to her hearling jutsu. That's why Ino thanked both of them, for what they did to Shikamaru. Then Tsunade covered Shikamaru at 100%...  I wonder if Sakura is tired...

Sakura cares too much of Naruto and everyone, so even if she is, she won't stop. She hates to lose. Stubborn girl. Lol.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 02 October 2013 - 03:10 PM.

[T XD]

True, not only Naruto saved Shikamaru, also Sakura did it due to her hearling jutsu. That's why Ino thanked both of them, for what they did to Shikamaru. Then Tsunade covered Shikamaru at 100%...  I wonder if Sakura is tired...

She's fine. When Tsunade was seen going to Hashirama before the last page of this chapter, Sakura was in the background and you can see her getting up on her feet.

 

And what 4life said XD

Edited by T XD, 02 October 2013 - 03:11 PM.

[Nefertieh]

 
I had forgotten the hand holding. However, one thing I think Kishimoto is very good at is crafting scenes that leave him multiple avenues to go with. Hinata's expression of that goal earlier certainly seemed romantic both as to hand holding and standing by his side. Now that others are wanting to stand by his side, to me, it makes her expression less unique and her achieving that significantly less proof of some kind of romantic accomplish (as to the pairing as a whole, rather that just Hinata's personal view) that it would have been.

 
Maybe, but I think this chapter confirms that Hinata hasn't reached her goal to be by Naruto's side.

Remember, Sakura also said she will fight with Naruto back in part 1.

I'd agree that doesn't kill it. If nothing else just because others want it, doesn't mean she has something else in mind when she says it, but in this chapter at least, Kishimoto doesn't offer anything that indicates whether that is the case or not. Then again, my standard for that is very high. Basically the end of the manga or confirmation of something else that elminates it would be what it takes for me.

Well, the fact that all she could think about was Naruto after Shikamaru came back from the dead pretty much says it for me. =\

[Slextrem]

Ugh, no. Why are people talking about Hinata when there were so many other amazing things that happened in this chapter?

 

I'll say this - wanting to be by Naruto's side isn't something that is unique to her character. All of the Rookie Nine feel that way, and it was those feelings that helped Shikamaru pull through this chapter. So, unless we're willing to acknowledge NaruShika, NaruShino, NaruIno, etc... then Hinata's comments about wanting to be at his side don't give NaruHina any sort of advantage.

 

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Edited by Slextrem, 02 October 2013 - 03:14 PM.

[Psychox]

Naruto and Sakura saved Shikamaru as Tsunade gave him 100% recovered. It's like first fighting the heart attack, and if you can save him/her from that, then that person is going to be ok, just need to recover. The recover comes from Tsunade while Naruto and Sakura did the saving. Awesome. But you know, those guys won't let you know..............idiots..

 

P.S. So glad I got a spot in podcast.

I hate it when they do that... More like a heart attack times 2 xD, its like they were on the operating table , Naruto is the doctor and Sakura the nurse .
 

 

Some people will do whatever it takes to downgrade Sakura's canon capabilities and actions. This annoys me as well, but unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it. The fact that they can't accept and appreciate canon is their problem. They'll find any way possible to convince themselves (and others perhaps) that Sakura is a useless bad character even when it's obviously not the case. Denial is really powerful, isn't it? 

It is, but shielding your eyes from the truth will hurt that much more when the rebuttal to your false believes smacks you across the face. I think that fact comes from youknowwhichbadsitewithmuchemphazise on the B word .

 

Edited by Psychox, 02 October 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[LivinG_Dead]

True, not only Naruto saved Shikamaru, also Sakura did it due to her hearling jutsu. That's why Ino thanked both of them, for what they did to Shikamaru. Then Tsunade covered Shikamaru at 100%...  I wonder if Sakura is tired...

Tsunade healed Sakura as well.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I hate it when they do that... More like a heart attack times 2 xD, its like they were on the operating table , Naruto is the doctor and Sakura the nurse .

Lol. Well, I see it equal share. If Sakura wasn't performing the healing, Kuruma's chakra wouldn't go through the way it did.

 

Tsunade healed Sakura as well.

Good point.

[LuckyChi7]

You know I remember when 628 came out, and some were like Oh don't look much into it. Then before we knew it, there was a gradual build up for Sakura in volume 66, and I think Kishi might be doing the same here. Although since we've only got two chapters in this volume not much can be said, but like James said, this pretty much is a NS chapter.

 

Again like I said before, this chapter continues to foreshadow towards NaruSaku.  

Edited by LuckyChi7, 02 October 2013 - 03:16 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Like I said, it's kicking the dead horse at this point. It's been established in 633 that she wanted to be his side as mutual as Shikamaru is. Does she still love him? Sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean she wants him to be his man. She just wants to be at the same level. Let love build itself, though of course, this manga won't do that NOW, it's already taken. Who? NS.

NH is dead, though for me it has never existed cause there's no potential. What else there's still aside that 631 alone made it dead ? Hinata will always stay the way she is which is a side character rotating around Naruto.
 
This chapter with Hinata saying that she wants to be beside Naruto too is that it's not a romantic meaning, but just being supportive like everybody else. I think you got the idea now.

Don't forget she wants to hold his hand.

In this chapter, she's realised she hasn't reached Naruto on a personal level. It doesn't mean she only sees him as Shikamaru sees him.

I'm sure if Kishimoto wanted to show Hinata having a change of heart, he'd put more emphasis on it.

[Nate River]

The complaint is that Kishimoto undermined her by making it look so easy for Tsunade. I don't think he did that on purpose, but that is what it looked like to me. It seemed unnecessary to boot. He could have let Sakura simply finish it up and still had Tsunade say the exact same things. So, it wasn't even necessary to do.

 

I suppose I don't see being a Sakura fan as simply never saying anything bad about her or her treatment by the author, no matter what's on the page.

[rocci]

Thanks everyone for the answer. ^^ :)

@living dead
Well what tsunade do is like what she do when she heal sasukeh and kakashi.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The complaint is that Kishimoto undermined her by making it look so easy for Tsunade. I don't think he did that on purpose, but that is what it looked like to me. It seemed unnecessary to boot. He could have let Sakura simply finish it up and still had Tsunade say the exact same things. So, it wasn't even necessary to do.

 

I suppose I don't see being a Sakura fan as simply never saying anything bad about her or her treatment by the author, no matter what's one the page.

I think that Sakura will get another power up, i felt that Tsunade is still stronger than Sakura, he will either make her has the sage mode or kill Tsunade.

[Nate River]

 
Maybe, but I think this chapter confirms that Hinata hasn't reached her goal to be by Naruto's side.

Remember, Sakura also said she will fight with Naruto back in part 1.


Well, the fact that all she could think about was Naruto after Shikamaru came back from the dead pretty much says it for me. =\

 

I try to avoid reading too much into her satellite character status. It's the kind of thing I expect precisely because of that, but at the same time I try to hold back reading too much into that focus because there are things it implies (selfishness, self-absorbed) that I don't think he is necessarily trying to say. 

 

I can't really disagree with what you say because you could very well be right. I'm conent to sit back and see it as more dodging and weaving because I think it's the more narrow reading. Over the years, when it comes to pairings I've developed a preference for that.

[rocci]

@darkrest
I think it will be ssm, because I believe sakura will fight orochimaru. And no tsunade will survive.

[T XD]

Don't forget she wants to hold his hand.

In this chapter, she's realised she hasn't reached Naruto on a personal level. It doesn't mean she only sees him as Shikamaru sees him.

I'm sure if Kishimoto wanted to show Hinata having a change of heart, he'd put more emphasis on it.

Holding his hand was meant for 615. If there's still something more from Hinata, Kishi wouldn't done that in 615. I expect her to still be like she was shown in this chapter, but there won't be another 615 or another statement from her like when she talked when the alliance were going to the battle.

 

615 was mostly for Hinata's character. If there's still more, 615 wouldn't be more special for a side character like Hinata.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't forget she wants to hold his hand.

In this chapter, she's realised she hasn't reached Naruto on a personal level. It doesn't mean she only sees him as Shikamaru sees him.

I'm sure if Kishimoto wanted to show Hinata having a change of heart, he'd put more emphasis on it.

Not really. She gotten that and that's her motivation from this point forward. When he grabbed her hand, it's the symbol of equal and if Hinata ever feels like she can't go further, she will remember that she got that approval. Therefore, she can't back down anymore and if Naruto ever goes higher, so will she. Honestly, I think the end of arc with an NS moment will completely erase this easily. It's like an old man searching for his gargoyle and a minute later, heads for the retirement home for brunch and the guy would ask, "Weren't you searching for that gargoyle?" and his response, "The what?"

[Nate River]

I think that Sakura will get another power up, i felt that Tsunade is still stronger than Sakura, he will either make her has the sage mode or kill Tsunade.

 

I admit, I don't know if she will get one nor do I care if she does. What I want is more and sustained plot significance, not the off and on cameo appearances where she makes a little noise and fades into the abyss for the next month. 

[T XD]

Sakura will show us more from her power of her seal as in ability and/or technique. Either that or SM.