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[TouKen4Life3g]

I admit, I did see Gaara vs. Naruto moment in this chapter as well, but didn't mention it because it felt a bit fanboy in me to mention it. Plus, it was late around the time to create a review, but eh. I'll mention it next time. Most likely in podcast.

 

Anyway, I see everyone is debating Sakura should die or not for plot advancement. Well I was all for death device but I don't want her to die to be honest. Lol. It does create an epic Naruto's rage without being bad or stepping too low, like how Obito went after seeing Rin's death. Obito is like a monster that can be regenerated, so like FMA, this manga should take all the advantage of gory moments without being gory, much like headshot on Edo Sarutobi. A man can dream.

[Shadow Wolf]

Kishi is really struggling to keep all of the characters updated at this point in the story imo. It's kind of funny. Where the heck is Kakashi? The other hokages? The other ninjas?? Most importantly-- Yamato???

 

Also, I'm kind of at a loss with all the action here. Is anyone else confused as heck? I can't wait till the episode for this chapter comes out. It's going to be epic.

 

The part about Obito's photograph ripping apart is terribly intriguing to me. What does this say about his character? What does this say about the other characters that used to be on his side? I feel like, as the reader, I want Obito's dream to come true. I really want his team to get back together and I really want him to be with Rin again, just like in the picture! But at the same time, it's a sick and unnatural reality...just like a body being ripped apart and then being forced back together all icky and gooey.

Can he be saved like a photograph? Or is he dead already? What qualifies a ninja for redemption and forgiveness in this story?

 

Just tell me the answer already! If I were reading this as a finished manga, ehehe...I would skip to the end at this point.

 

 

Well, its understandable. Considering how many characters are participating in this war and considering that Kishi likes to touch pretty much every single detail, its difficult for him to focus on more than a handful of characters in only 15 pages. I'm still wondering where will Oro go to (hoping that to be where Yamato is).

 

Keeping in mind that he created the illusions while fighting against Kakashi, I feel like he only wants to create the world "at his own image", to say it like that. As such, he does keep the memory of team Minato, but the only reality he will accept is his own (which is, indeed, twisted). IMO, he's alive, but he is dead in terms of expecting a change in him (unless of course, just like Sasuke, the object of affection appears before him).

 

And hey, we all wish to see the manga reach the end too (after all, that's the point where we believe NS will happen). ;)
But for now, let's see how Kishi "thrills" us (he did say that, right?).

 

Anyway, my reception of this chapter is similar to your thoughts so I'll just say: "What my female counterpart has spoken, I agree with."

 

PS: We're two different people BTW.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 24 July 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[MangaReader]

Feels like the end of the world... I'm calling plot hax of some sort when Naruto eventually wins. If Naruto does still end up fighting Sasuke, there's gonna have to be some major power-ups going around

[TouKen4Life3g]

Feels like the end of the world... I'm calling plot hax of some sort when Naruto eventually wins. If Naruto does still end up fighting Sasuke, there's gonna have to be some major power-ups going around

My thoughts exactly.

[StriderC]

 

 

Well, its understandable. considering how many characters are participating in this war and considering that Kishi likes to touch pretty much every single detail, its difficult for him to focus on more than a handful of characters in only 15 pages. I'm still wondering where will Oro go to (hoping that to be where Yamato is).

 

Keeping in mind that he created the illusions while fighting against Kakashi, I feel like he only wants to create the world "at his own image", to say it like that. As such, he does keep the memory of team Minato, but the only reality he will accept is his own (which is, indeed, twisted). IMO, he's alive, but he is dead in terms of expecting a change in him (unless of course, just like Sasuke, the object of affection appears before him).

 

And hey, we all wish to see the manga reach the end too (after all, that's the point where we believe NS will happen). ;)
But for now, let's see how Kishi "thrills" us (he did say that, right?).

 

Anyway, my reception of this chapter is similar to your thoughts so I'll just say: "What my female counterpart has spoken, I agree with."

 

PS: We're two different people BTW.

Lol soulmates is more like it Shadow. I got mixed up and wondered why you had a Zelda avatar.

[Hiraishin]

And that's another thing, thanks to Tobirama we have the explanation that the Uchiha have the danger of going insane when presented with emotional distress because of some reaction their sharingan have in their brains. I wish Kishi could've emphasized that more clearly while presenting Obito's fall to darkness. Maybe in the aftermath of Rin's death a scene in which Obito grabs his head while his eye is being emphasized, during which he thinks of Madara's moon plan.

I think Kishi did want to use the curse of the sharingan as an excuse to Obito's sudden change of heart in favor of Madara's plan, but I feel the execution could've been done better. The problem is that most of the audience treats Obito as just a normal kid that went overboard and don't take into consideration how much the sharingan along Madara's words could've poisoned his brain.

Truuuu, even though I agree with Darkrest - I never liked that excuse. Still, I agree with you, as well.

As for Sakura, I agree with most that, alone, she really can't do much of anything against Obito. She could, though, if she had a plan. If she just goes in there and tries to punch him, she'll get slaughtered. She needs a plan, and at least a few other people. Do some coordinated attacks, in combination with others. Right now that seems unlikely, but when the Kage arrive, we'll probably see her for a little bit because of Tsunade, even if it's just a short conversation between the two. I'm hoping, at least.

[megi]

we've be honest here... This Obito is absolutely out of sakura's league... I miss Sakura too but I dont't also want her that she jumped here without any strategiy and making a sucide move just like Hinata did during Pain Saga only for purpose of confessing her feelings.... I just don't want a such thing. Sakura can't match with Obito, anyway she might have a relevant role afterwards in other stuffes... for example, Sasuke's deal and parallels with Rin and Obito.

I think she is smart enough to know that this isn't her fight haha, so we won't be seeing her in the actual battle for a while I believe! I agree but I see it is inevitable that she will be thrown in the mix somehow.

I actually think it would be cool to see her fight with Tsuna (just a thought).

I also seriously wonder what is going through Sasuke's head this chapter?

[StriderC]

Truuuu, even though I agree with Darkrest - I never liked that excuse. Still, I agree with you, as well.

As for Sakura, I agree with most that, alone, she really can't do much of anything against Obito. She could, though, if she had a plan. If she just goes in there and tries to punch him, she'll get slaughtered. She needs a plan, and at least a few other people. Do some coordinated attacks, in combination with others. Right now that seems unlikely, but when the Kage arrive, we'll probably see her for a little bit because of Tsunade, even if it's just a short conversation between the two. I'm hoping, at least.

The thing is, she's not alone. She's just one of the many ninja that are fighting right now, but she's definitely more of a capable ninja than most. 
 
She has a punch that'd take down a giant with ease, and even more powerful than before.
 
She has a summon that can spit acid, heal, and multiple.
 
Her healing skills are pretty much on par with Tsunade. Speculation yes, but at the end of the day, she gets the job done with ease.
 
I'm sure Kishi could come up with several ways to include our girl. At this point,no one can solo Obito, so theres no need for wondering what Sakura would do alone.

Edited by StriderC, 24 July 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Sakura being temporarily killed or being injured is going to be the same for Naruto. He'll interfere with what happened to Sakura either way, and Obito will see Sakura and Rin parallel and Naruto's reaction.

 

I'm saying being injured badly at most and not " dying " cause Neji is already killed lately. So, I don't see Kishi making another from K11 " die " now, but maybe he'll pick this option, Sakura " dead ", just to see the heroine dead temporarily.

There are two things I would like to say:

 

First, I would like to say that I agree that Sakura won't die (I will drop the manga if she dies lol).

 

Secondly, I would like to say that Neji being killed is irrelevant to whether Sakura dies or not because their roles are completely different. 

This is the "Neji already died so Kishi won't kill Sakura" argument.

Unlike what happened to Obito when Rin died, Naruto understood Neji's will (Thanks to Hinata), moved on and kept fighting. Naruto's determination to fight even after Neji's death still wasn't enough to get through Obito. There is no point in repeating the process with Sakura.

And I completely understand this argument. It makes sense.

 

However, even though I agree that Obito and Naruto both suffered from the loss of somebody important (Rin, Neji), Naruto losing Neji doesn't even compare to Obito losing Rin. Rin is Obito's light(or should I say sun?). Her existence has made him warm through his dark days of war, rivalry with Kakashi, and suffering from the lack of his ninja skills. Even after she died, she is the center of his motivation, and his universe. You cannot compare Rin's importance to Neji, who has barely had a conversation with Naruto since the time skip. No matter how hard Naruto tries to talk with Obito, how it hurts to not have his friends around him, there is no way Naruto can convince him at the present. Because simply if I may quote Sasuke's words at VoTE "How do you know how I feel when you haven't been through the same thing I have!?" In this case, he simply doesn't. The panel of Obito holding and caressing a dead Rin was one of the most tender and saddest moments in the whole manga. Neji's death does not come close to that moment. (Sorry, I like Neji too. I don't mean to bash Neji or anything.)

 

The only thing that can change Obito is Rin. (Why else do you think Kishi write panels of rin, rin, Rin, RIN, and MORE RIN!!)

The closest thing we have to Rin is Kakashi(teammate), Minato(teammate), Sakura(resemblance is uncanny).

Kakashi failed, and Minato is not working, and there are now only very limited options left.

The 1.) parallels of Rin/Sakura and the 2.) constant reminder Rin being Obito's motivation shows that Sakura is going to play Rin's role in someway. Therefore, Sakura's role is completely different to Neji, hence Neji's death is irrelevant to whether Sakura dies or not because they will bring completely different circumstances. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 24 July 2013 - 04:46 PM.

[Inferno180]

So as of right now these are the story elements we are seeing and waiting on:

 

1. Obito is going to show off his power for a couple more chapters or so, before something happens, being it either him getting pushed back a bit or triggering something else be it excecuting the eye of the moon plan or being effected by whatever madara is planning.

2. Madara is busy with Hashirama, while Madara does have some plan, we need to see exactly what it is, plus aside from Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen are recovering in their edo tensei forms (as Minato said it takes time for them to reform).

3. Despite this chaos, we know Sasukes motives are still back there after this fight, as it is an enemy of my enemy type deal, we know from Jugo, Sai, and Sakura something is planned and now from Sasuke himself that he plans to face Naruto.

4. The current 5 kage are en route to help in the fight, basically its the same as last year for them, but they are fortunately healed, whatever happens well 5 extra kage to the fight will cause some more interaction.

5. Kakashi is stuck in the Kamui dimension, unless he can take the risk to use his own Kamui to break out, don't know how he is going to get out of this one despite his wounds.

6. Orochimaru, Karin, and Sugetsu are going elsewhere, no idea what is going on with them, maybe to rescue yamato? Poor Yamato still crammed in a giant clone of Hashirama.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I could be the only one thinking this, but it's not that Obito targeted Neji specifically or anyone in K9, rather just everyone in the alliance, including fodders. Neji did a favor by giving him a head start that people will die but it's ok, so long they did it for a reason. Looking back, everyone was getting killed and they wouldn't think Neji, a friends of K9, would get killed as well. It's not just Neji that effected Naruto, but he got the 70% strike to him while thousands of normal guys accumulated to 30%. It's just that Lee was crying about Neji, so Naruto will talk about Neji here and in 617, Obito was mocking that Hyuuga is indicated dead if their mark is gone, so Naruto and Lee pretty much say, "Don't you dare mock Neji! Neji, this attack is for you!"

 

That said yeah, I agree with you. Sakura's death will hit Naruto 100%, much like Sasuke's "death" back in first arc. Naruto's normal friends need to be buildup to make him depressed or anger. His precious people, however, will bring him to 100%. The only one that could exempt this could be Kakashi, but no doubt, Sakura and Sasuke are the trigger to his rage/depression. Oh and Iruka when you think about it, luckily he wasn't dead in Pain Arc. So will Sakura die? I don't know but I want a way Naruto to go Rated R on Obito, Sin City, or whatever gorefest without the gore.

[StriderC]

There are two things I would like to say:
 
First, I would like to say that I agree that Sakura won't die (I will drop the manga if she dies lol).
 
Secondly, I would like to say that Neji being killed is irrelevant to whether Sakura dies or not because their roles are completely different. 
This is the "Neji already died so Kishi won't kill Sakura" argument.
Unlike what happened to Obito when Rin died, Naruto understood Neji's will (Thanks to Hinata), moved on and kept fighting. Naruto's determination to fight even after Neji's death still wasn't enough to get through Obito. There is no point in repeating the process with Sakura.
And I completely understand this argument. It makes sense.
 
However, even though I agree that Obito and Naruto both suffered from the loss of somebody important (Rin, Neji), Naruto losing Neji doesn't even compare to Obito losing Rin. Rin is Obito's light(or should I say sun?). Her existence has made him warm through his dark days of war, rivalry with Kakashi, and suffering from the lack of his ninja skills. Even after she died, she is the center of his motivation, and his universe. You cannot compare Rin's importance to Neji, who has barely had a conversation with Naruto since the time skip. No matter how hard Naruto tries to talk with Obito, how it hurts to not have his friends around him, there is no way Naruto can convince him at the present. Because simply if I may quote Sasuke's words at VoTE "How do you know how I feel when you haven't been through the same thing I have!?" In this case, he simply doesn't. The panel of Obito holding and caressing a dead Rin was one of the most tender and saddest moments in the whole manga. Neji's death does not come close to that moment. (Sorry, I like Neji too. I don't mean to bash Neji or anything.)
 

The only thing that can change Obito is Rin. (Why else do you think Kishi write panels of rin, rin, Rin, RIN, and MORE RIN!!)
The closest thing we have to Rin is Kakashi(teammate), Minato(teammate), Sakura(resemblance is uncanny).
The 1.) parallels of Rin/Sakura and the 2.) constant reminder Rin being Obito's motivation shows that Sakura is going to play Rin's role in someway. Therefore, Sakura's role is completely different to Neji, hence Neji's death is irrelevant to whether Sakura dies or not because they will bring completely different circumstances.

Reading your post makes me even more sure that Sakura's gonna play some role here. The fact that she and Rin are in fact alike in many ways drives this home for me. The execution is what I'm most interested in at the moment. Sakura reemerging here would make things a hell of a lot more interesting IMO.

Ill be dropping the manga too if Sakura dies and its permanent. Lol

[ramenanmitsu]

You know, I could be the only one thinking this, but it's not that Obito targeted Neji specifically or anyone in K9, rather just everyone in the alliance, including fodders. Neji did a favor by giving him a head start that people will die but it's ok, so long they did it for a reason. Looking back, everyone was getting killed and they wouldn't think Neji, a friends of K9, would get killed as well. It's not just Neji that effected Naruto, but he got the 70% strike to him while thousands of normal guys accumulated to 30%. It's just that Lee was crying about Neji, so Naruto will talk about Neji here and in 617, Obito was mocking that Hyuuga is indicated dead if their mark is gone, so Naruto and Lee pretty much say, "Don't you dare mock Neji! Neji, this attack is for you!"

 

That said yeah, I agree with you. Sakura's death will hit Naruto 100%, much like Sasuke's "death" back in first arc. Naruto's normal friends need to be buildup to make him depressed or anger. His precious people, however, will bring him to 100%. The only one that could exempt this could be Kakashi, but no doubt, Sakura and Sasuke are the trigger to his rage/depression. Oh and Iruka when you think about it, luckily he wasn't dead in Pain Arc. So will Sakura die? I don't know but I want a way Naruto to go Rated R on Obito, Sin City, or whatever gorefest without the gore.

This is what I wanted to say. Neji's death was a buildup.

 

However if Sakura, Sasuke or Iruka dies in this war it will trigger true despair and only then can Naruto be in the same standing as Obito. Until then, Naruto is in no place to fight and convince Obito.

 

And all the Rin panels make Sakura the most likely one to be targeted since she is basically the Rin of this generation. 

 

 

Reading your post makes me even more sure that Sakura's gonna play some role here. The fact that she and Rin are in fact alike in many ways drives this home for me. The execution is what I'm most interested in at the moment. Sakura reemerging here would make things a hell of a lot more interesting IMO.

Ill be dropping the manga too if Sakura dies and its permanent. Lol

I'm giving myself hope that she won't die unless she surpasses Tsunade and release the Byakugo seal 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 24 July 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

AT least in 615 I had Sakura there and made me question things and it moved the plot forward because we knew Naruto wasn't gonna hold hands with Hinata forever whereas here Obito, Obito and again Obito and same thing all over again.

Dunno, anyway...

...........Seriously? Alright. I disagree on that considering the amount of uproar the chapter made and the long hours of NH fans sticking it to us everything single day, but I respect your opinion.

I still find Obito's journey more entertaining than Sasuke's. At least it is consistent unlike Sasuke's who flipped more than the pancakes do at IHOP. Funny how Obito is the most consistent villain, while NS is the most consistent couple in this manga.

It is also ironic that this chapter is both the most gruesome and the most detailed chapter I have ever seen. Usually we get like one or two panels of high detail, but this one is huge with detail in almost every panel emphasizing Obito being ripped apart. The reason why it went so quick is because there was not a lot of talking which tends to slow down the pace of the chapter because you have to stop and read it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The thing is, she's not alone. She's just one of the many ninja that are fighting right now, but she's definitely more of a capable ninja than most. 
 
She has a punch that'd take down a giant with ease, and even more powerful than before.
 
She has a summon that can spit acid, heal, and multiple.
 
Her healing skills are pretty much on par with Tsunade. Speculation yes, but at the end of the day, she gets the job done with ease.
 
I'm sure Kishi could come up with several ways to include our girl. At this point,no one can solo Obito, so theres no need for wondering what Sakura would do alone.

Even though it's the same thing s before, punch and her healing skills, she doesnt get close to Obito aswell everyone else, even Naruto and Sasuke cant fight with Obito, Naruto is likely going to get an huge power up since it got mentioned again that Juubi was feelings the other bijuu's chakras inside Naruto so this power will be showcased soon.

Also about Sakura was like :

- Look at this girl guys she's gonna kick your ass but what you get is her again "sitting back and healing people".

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 July 2013 - 04:52 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

Haha I guess I am of the less popular opinion in saying that I think that I liked the chapter enough. It wasn't the best of chapters, but I liked it. I am a huge fan of Obito's new look! Does anybody know what animal the 10tail is?
I am not a big fan of the "Sakura dies temporarily" prediction, just for the sake of a Naruto reaction and parallel to Obito. I guess it is because I dislike the trope a whole lot. Even if it is "temporary" to me it is really cheap. Do you really think Naruto would let that happen?
All the Rin stuff really does lead to some interesting predictions to how Sakura will play a role in battle. I think it is possible that she can release the Byakugou jutsu, since it is law that medical ninja won't be able to do any frontline fighting otherwise. Or she will break the law and go with the lesson Kakashi taught her, which was something like "those who break ninja code are trash, but those who can't take care of their comrades are the worst!" Of course in manga the purpose of laws are to break them! Either way she has something new in her jutsu arsenal I think ^^

I personally thought this chapter was normal. But this whole jubito thing is dragging out too long for my taste. Too much wait for little information! Also I dont think sakura is gonna die either. Naruto surpassed the previous generation along with sakura and sasuke, so I dont think history will negatively repeat itself. Also, sakura wont join the fight just yet. Most likely when the kages arrive or before that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 Funny how Obito is the most consistent villain, while NS is the most consistent couple in this manga.

It is also ironic that this chapter is both the most gruesome and the most detailed chapter I have ever seen. Usually we get like one or two panels of high detail, but this one is huge with detail in almost every panel emphasizing Obito being ripped apart. The reason why it went so quick is because there was not a lot of talking which tends to slow down the pace of the chapter because you have to stop and read it.

 

Kabuto was the most consistent villain, Obito is just like Sasuke and Madara, his child-like behavior towards Naruto and people who oppose to him( Classify as "in denial people") and his close minded issues downgrade his character greatly.

 

Kabuto was the most consistent even in power level when he got his ass kicked by Naruto on the part 1 but got more powerfull as the story progressed but since he was just a side character Kishi didnt put much effort on his background but just to prove when Kishimoto wanted to just make a common villain he managed to make the best villain on the series when he managed to make a good villain we got Obito and his "Rin" x666.

[HauntedCake]

Funny how people change from she won't die to i hope she won't die

 

[ramenanmitsu]

Funny how people change from she won't die to i hope she won't die

 

Who said that? Basically, everybody here agrees that she won't die. 

[StriderC]

Ramen

Iffff she ends up dying, I'd actually hope it'd be false. They'd think she was dead, and we get a reaction and she releases the seal and heals her wounds. This is only IF she has it. Then I'd hope to never see it again. Lol we don't need her dying at 50 while Naruto lives to 100. Actually, it'd be nice to know just how much the Creation Rebirth yanks from the users life force. Hopefully a month or two depending on the injury...