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[sushi.]

What if sakura the last ninja who defend naruto, after juubito beat alliance, edo hokage, five kage, sasuke & co.

Too corny and unrealistic. :/

 

The edo Kages have unlimited chakra or at least they should have because Madara has it.

 

And since Sasuke has another plan, I don't think he'll give it his all in this fight. It doesn't mean he'll hold back on his strength, but I don't think he'll be willing to fight to the death because it may ruin his true intentions. This is his chance and he won't ruin it, but it all depends on exactly what he is planning to do. I want a hint soon, just a little hint Kishi!

 

And I think Sakura will heal the others before going into battle by herself.

I think that actually Tsunade will take the healer role and Sakura will go on the frontlines..

Or this..Hope so. We've already seen everything Tsunade can do, but I have no idea what kind of power Sakura holds in her seal! :)

So

Do any of you think the trump card might be

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Edo-Rin?

This is possible, he has after all used Rin against Obito before. But then Obito will probably turn good and that should be the last thing Madara wants. I'm not sure, we'll wait and see.

Edited by sushi., 09 July 2013 - 03:39 PM.

[Inferno180]

Being as powerful as he is, no one alone for now can handle obito alone, a combined effort of team 7, the edo hokages, and current Kages along with bee and guy, that can provide some capability but for now they are assessing the power of jubbito. It even looks like obito lost concept of who he was upon becoming the jinchurki. For the fight its going to take either the plan of removing the bijuu or madaras secret weapon. No telling what obito can do now but this is not good if even hashirama said obito is stronger now. Only time will tell how the allaince handles this.

[Chatte]

I keep wondering... Madara says about a trump card yet now Obito is called the strongest...

In that interview, Kishi said it will take everybody's combined efforts in order to defeat Madara. However, makes me wonder, was he referring to Obito? Was he playing tricks? Hmmm...Cause now, the strongest one is Obito, not Madara...

[六道仙人]

I keep wondering... Madara says about a trump card yet now Obito is called the strongest...

In that interview, Kishi said it will take everybody's combined efforts in order to defeat Madara. However, makes me wonder, was he referring to Obito? Was he playing tricks? Hmmm...Cause now, the strongest one is Obito, not Madara...

 

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Honestly I don't remember that he said a such thing...  If you mean the interviews from RTN promotion, if I don't mistake, he never mentioned Madara's name as the final enemy.

[Inferno180]

I keep wondering... Madara says about a trump card yet now Obito is called the strongest...

In that interview, Kishi said it will take everybody's combined efforts in order to defeat Madara. However, makes me wonder, was he referring to Obito? Was he playing tricks? Hmmm...Cause now, the strongest one is Obito, not Madara...

This is madara we are talking about, something even like this and his original plan being foiled are not enough to stop him. He has a trick up his sleeve.

[Atheck]

Symbolism and emotional fortitude put aside, there's no conceivable way that Sakura could fight against Tobi with any degree of effectiveness. If Tobirama was so easily devastated by a single attack of the Jubi jinchuuriki then what can Sakura do when she is irrefutably weaker than all of the Hokages? The only reason Tobirama is still alive at the moment is because he can regenerate. Without that, he would already be dead.

Determination will only take you so far before you need to reinforce it with substance. All of the Kages were just as strong-minded and persistent in their attempt to bring Madara down as Sakura was with fighting alongside her team, but did that somehow create a deus ex machina for them? No, they were severely beaten and left for dead. Do you want to know why? Because Madara was the superior warrior plus he had several distinct advantages that only made their efforts look all the more pitiful. That's not to say that their tenacity isn't worthy of praise because it is. Madara himself complimented them for their abilities and strategic maneuvering; he even revealed his ultimate Susanoo to them which he seems to hold in high regard whenever it's used. But that doesn't negate the fact that he's, simply put, better than them.

Tobi has now become even more powerful and savage than Madara. The Hokages will need a miracle if they want to defeat him. I wouldn't be surprised if Madara chose to side with them for the time being since his plans have been lead astray with these recent developments.

I'm going to ask this again. If Hashirama, the man who is venerated as a god, fighting beside his two Hokage colleagues can't defeat Tobi then what difference would Sakura make?

You claim that she should be allowed to fight under the guise of emotional and symbolical maturation being all the reasoning that she needs. I'm asking for what the practicality behind her decision to fight is. What jutsu, fighting styles, or innate abilities does Sakura have that would make her a worthwhile ally to have in this fight? She's prone to distractions keeping her from focusing on the opponent despite her training emphasizing the need to analyze her foe so she can follow their movements and react accordingly. Her only offensive attack thus far is close-range taijutsu which Tobi should be capable of avoiding or recovering from if his speed and restorative abilities are anything like Naruto's when he used Kurama's chakra. All that leaves are her medical techniques. She could enhance Naruto's attacks a la Tsunade with Onoki's Jinton or heal them if they suffered any injuries but apart from acting as a support role she has nothing that could be feasibly used to damage Tobi.

If Sakura attempts to fight then she'll probably end up like Tsunade with her body bifurcated across her midsection. If none of the medical personnel or Katsuyu can reach her in time then Sakura will likely bleed to death as her entrails spill out onto the torii. That is unless she releases her seal and uses Byakugou jutsu to heal herself.

My god, are we still dwelling on the notion of Tsunade taking Sakura's place as group healer? I thought this was already addressed in the chapter 637 discussion.

[Nate River]

alot of people think/hope it too be edo rin , couple of things too say about that not even if its too break obito  too his will,
but if its true that obito has lost his former self would it even help seeing her again i think he can be 2 things:
1 lost hes former self memories and stuff
2 he is a new being with no cares for her too speak of
 
so would madara really be so stupid that hes trump card is Rin seeing that he is 100% sure if he is fast about it can work i think its something else.

I don't.

1. Can Madara use Edo Tensei?

2. If that's a trump, it's a horribly unrealiable one because nothing about it guarantees Obito will do what Madara wants him to do.

3. Is that still Obito as we knew him given the way he seemed confused about his own name? If not, then how does this trump card do anything.

4. If Edo-Rin is enough to be a trump card why does Obito never pursue the end himself? Kabuto showed him, but he never even suggests he wants to know it for this reason.

Rin being the trump makes no sense. Given the real emotional conflict is Kakashi-Obito and Naruto-Obito, what does she suddenly add? She is WHY there is conflict, but she has never been active participate. Moreover, I'd hate to see the dead once again brough back to solve the problems those alive are supposed to be solving. That is why I hate the Kage's resurrection so much and I've grown to dislike Edo-tensei because of it.

Death is cheap enough as it is.
 

If Sakura attempts to fight then she'll probably end up like Tsunade with her body bifurcated across her midsection. If none of the medical personnel or Katsuyu can reach her in time then Sakura will likely bleed to death as her entrails spill out onto the torii. That is unless she releases her seal and uses Byakugou jutsu to heal herself.

Yeah, like that'll happen.

As we learned two weeks ago...being split in two...'tis nothing but a flesh wound.

[Chatte]

 

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Honestly I don't remember that he said a such thing...  If you mean the interviews from RTN promotion, if I don't mistake, he never mentioned Madara's name as the final enemy.

He did. The interviewer asked that now that Madara Uchiha is back what will it take for the Alliance to take him down given his edo status.
And Kishi said that everyone's forces combined.

@Inferno, I think you are right...he is still Uchiha Madara in the end...

@Atheck. That's the point... Previous generation surpassing the old one. No offense but I think you're thinking too much into it so that's why you cannot fit Sakura in.
However, that's your opinion and I respect it. Guess this time we have different opinions.
I still think that he major healer role will be taken by Tsunade and Sakura will be the figher medic-nin.

[Atheck]

Yeah, like that'll happen.

As we learned two weeks ago...being split in two...'tis nothing but a flesh wound.

Point taken.

Sakura won't be making much difference in this fight; in the traditional sense at least. Maybe she can act as support for whenever Naruto requires healing.
 

@Atheck. That's the point... Previous generation surpassing the old one.

In what context will Sakura have "surpassed" Tsunade? All of her techniques were someone else's originally. She has nothing that's definably unique like Naruto and Sasuke do. Her combat experience and resilience against physical injuries is severely lacking in comparison to her teacher's; really, I would like to see Sakura maintain her composure and summon Katsuyu so she can altruistically heal her teammates whilst being cut in two and on the verge of death.

Tsunade's offensive and medical abilities have been proven to be far more versatile than what Sakura has displayed. Furthermore, as we all know, genetics play a very significant role in defining how someone will be cultivated. Tsunade not only has Senju, but Uzumaki lineage as well. So with the addition of experience, versatility, and a higher tolerance for pain, she's also genetically superior.

The only natural advantages that Sakura has are chakra control and youth. It's debatable whether she is superior to her master in the former and the latter is a condition that's outside of her control. Claiming that Sakura is stronger in this situation would be similar to Asuma declaring that he surpassed Hiruzen as a decrepit old man. Yes, in that physical state, you are superior, but generally when people hear the word "surpassed" they believe it to be referring to someone having become greater at something than another when they were at their peak performance.

Youth is nothing more than a crutch used to compensate for someone being unable to overcome the advantages that their associates possessed.
 

No offense but I think you're thinking too much into it so that's why you cannot fit Sakura in.

Please, by all means, offer a logical reason for Sakura becoming involved in this fight. Her effectiveness as a fighter or contributor is the question, put aside any narrative significance and look at this strictly from a technical point of view.

Edited by Atheck, 09 July 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[rocci]

@chatte
If sakura really gain sage mode than she already surpass tsunade.
And (maybe) she can contribute in juubito fight.

[Nate River]

Point taken.

I think best case scenario is something like Hinata/Pain, or figuring out White Zetsu. She'll do something valuable, but it'll still be mostly Naruto and Company. I agree with you on her role. When looking at the broader conflicts going on, she really doesn't matter that much. She's been given no obvious role or input that does not involve the romantic subplot. I think it's unfortunate that this has happened, but it has.


Even if she is a fighter-medic...we were there a couple of chapters and many mooks met death. But it was still mooks.

Speaking of that wasn't there this rule about medic nin not fighting on the front lines? For some odd reason nobody mentioned when Sakura fought. Again.

Why does this exist again?

[Atheck]

I think best case scenario is something like Hinata/Pain, or figuring out White Zetsu. She'll do something valuable, but it'll still be mostly Naruto and Company. I agree with you on her role. When looking at the broader conflicts going on, she really doesn't matter that much. She's been given no obvious role or input that does not involve the romantic subplot. I think it's unfortunate that this has happened, but it has.


Even if she is a fighter-medic...we were there a couple of chapters and many mooks met death. But it was still mooks.

Speaking of that wasn't there this rule about medic nin not fighting on the front lines? For some odd reason nobody mentioned when Sakura fought. Again.

Why does this exist again?

You want my opinion? Despite the particulars of Tsunade's explanation for why these rules of conduct exist for medics, I believe that there was an underlying reason for Kishi to establish them. It would provide a convenient pretext to have a significant amount of the female shinobi, many of which are medical personnel, remain off the battlefield. This brings us back to Kishi's statement about having a difficult time accurately or believably depicting heroines.

As for Sakura's situation, well technically she violated the rules of conduct without first having met the necessary prerequisites to enter a battle. Tsunade specifically referred to Byakugou jutsu, not Byakugou no In which is what Sakura activated. Chapter 632 was created to offer Sakura her moment of glory as the Sannin parallel brought itself up again and the rookies received their acknowledging moments as well. Once Katsuyu was summoned she returned to healing. I don't think consistency with previously established narrative concepts is the highest priority in Kishi's mind. He does take creative liberties just like any other author. 

Edited by Atheck, 09 July 2013 - 04:40 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

 

In terms of strength yes. But the fight itself may not be so bad ass. Look at how Obito vs Kakashi was handled.

Well, if Obito died in the last chapter, I would agree with you, but knowing the purpose is to go to this, I don't. The reason why is because Kishi is known to not have multiple battles if one is coming that will be long and large scale. I mean why have so many if one will be enough as he may put it. That said I mentioned in the review that if Naruto BM goes to a new level to the point he's equal to Obito, how in the world Sasuke will be at this level. For that matter, the battle might as well become, "You'll die only, because I'm just too godly, Sasuke." That's why I'm having trouble seeing this.

 

Playing safe, by considere Hinata has the same chance to become naruto's rin.
You know that I am a believer of obirin = narusaku parallel and it will play somehow to make obito redemption with naruto tnj using their same similarities. I get that feeling in chapter 599 & obito descend to darkness flashback. But there is a doubt in myself that kishi could use the parallel to nh, and than come chapter 631 and sakura parallel(flood) begin to open.
Still is there any possibility for Hinata to be mention as rin parallel?

None. If the last volume didn't happen, maybe it may have, seeing that 615 was a chapter that many have really wondered if it's NH. Lately, she pretty much friendzoned and she doesn't mind. That said it seems that Kishi has already made two parallels in this arc and Rin is left a blank. So who is it? You guessed it. So yeah, no possibility for Hinata. It needs a lineup to all parallels and knowing Minato is still there, well, it does seem all other non-NS pairings are blocked.

 

It is safe to say that Kishi doesn't need Narusaku or Naruhina( if revives) for now to keep the fans following the manga and  is enough with the incoming battle?

Yes, but the reason why I want Rin = Sakura because of the story setup. I don't really need it for pairing wise, but for story. Now, it's getting good because Obito seems possessed or something and Minato can't help him. So the best thing to do is either have Rin or a paralleled Rin, because she is the most important person to him. Will it trigger a good or bad side effect? Don't know. It could be like that cartoon where the guy died because of the little girl embarrassed him in his career, and the guy was revived and saw a parallel within one girl, so he was enraged and decides to kill her immediately. Anyway, it's only the first chapter, so be prepared.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 09 July 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[sushi.]

Yes, but the reason why I want Rin = Sakura because of the story setup. I don't really need it for pairing wise, but for story. Now, it's getting good because Obito seems possessed or something and Minato can't help him. So the best thing to do is either have Rin or a paralleled Rin, because she is the most important person to him. Will it trigger a good or bad side effect? Don't know. It could be like that cartoon where the guy died because of the little girl embarrassed him in his career, and the guy was revived and saw a parallel within one girl, so he was enraged and decides to kill him immediately. Anyway, it's only the first chapter, so be prepared.

This is a good point. I want my pairing happen because of the bond, but story wise I want things to come to a full circle.

 

But Kishi already went half-way through with the Rin parallel. Considering Kishi often leaves hints/parallels and foreshadowings with loose ends, so he can wrap it up and confirm it later.

 

Edit; Ooh I just came up with something guys!

 

Now that Obito is a mess and isn't thinking or seeing clear, maybe he mistakes Sakura for Rin? He has probably seen her from afar, but not up close. Depends on what role she'll be playing.

 

But I'm thinking we might get a similar moment as this

 

Considering how easy Kishimoto pulls out a parallels, it's not impossible is it? He even does it with first impressions and Sakura physically resembles Rin a lot in my opinion.

 

It could also be something else, but I don't think this idea has been mentioned.

Edited by sushi., 09 July 2013 - 05:19 PM.

[narusakurama]

Another possibility I'm thinking for this trump card could be something related to the rinnegan maybe ? Kishi could pull out some new super  ability of the rinnegan , just like he gave Izanagi to Itachi so he could defeat Kabuto . This battle seems just as one sided in Obito's favor , so he might go the ass pull route to get him defeated rather than a combined effort from everyone there . Whatever it will be though , and even if Obito is the strongest at the moment , in my opinion Madara is still the more dangerous enemy of the two . 

[@hellsbecca]

Personally,I didn't like this chapter. Annoys me this overturn everytime. C'mon,now Obito is stronger than Hashimara? How in this world???

I mean the Shinobi Alliance have 5 countrys,jinchuurikis and a plenty of kages(including dead kages). Neither Madara is supporting Obito wtf!!!!!

It doesn't make sense,Kishimoto has to give us a final point. Nobody can understand that Ninja War!

Edited by @hellsbecca, 09 July 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[Moon_Girl]

Maybe it's because I'm foggy-minded today or something...but earlier, people were talking about seeing parallels and possible future Rin parallels. Can someone explain this to me? @_@

[六道仙人]

He did. The interviewer asked that now that Madara Uchiha is back what will it take for the Alliance to take him down given his edo status.
And Kishi said that everyone's forces combined.

@Inferno, I think you are right...he is still Uchiha Madara in the end...

@Atheck. That's the point... Previous generation surpassing the old one. No offense but I think you're thinking too much into it so that's why you cannot fit Sakura in.
However, that's your opinion and I respect it. Guess this time we have different opinions.
I still think that he major healer role will be taken by Tsunade and Sakura will be the figher medic-nin.

 

Maybe I understand to which interview you're referring at.... If I don't mistake, it was on a scan, not from a voice interview. In that scan, they asked him about Madara. And Kishi replied "How do you can defeat an immortal enemy...? Well, stay tuned...!" or something like that. He never did specified that in order to defeat this Madara need a cooperation of everyone. It was the late summer.

 

Anyway, it's pretty clear now that this edo madara isn't the boy seen by the old oogama-sennin in his dream. At this rate, it can be only or this Obito or Sasuke.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This is a good point. I want my pairing happen because of the bond, but story wise I want things to come to a full circle.

 

But Kishi already went half-way through with the Rin parallel. Considering Kishi often leaves hints/parallels and foreshadowings with loose ends, so he can wrap it up and confirm it later.

 

Edit; Ooh I just came up with something guys!

 

Now that Obito is a mess and isn't thinking or seeing clear, maybe he mistakes Sakura for Rin? He has probably seen her from afar, but not up close. Depends on what role she'll be playing.

 

But I'm thinking we might get a similar moment as this

 

Considering how easy Kishimoto pulls out a parallels, it's not impossible is it? He even does it with first impressions and Sakura physically resembles Rin a lot in my opinion.

 

It could also be something else, but I don't think this idea has been mentioned.

That too can work and it won't surprised me. I don't know what kind of side effect it will have on Obito. It could be good that he will be "calm" or something, or he can be extremely pissed that he wants to erase her for he still thinks the world he lives in is "fake". So much possibility but it's coming. I can't believe Kishi is making this grand. What a win if it happens.

[sushi.]

Another possibility I'm thinking for this trump card could be something related to the rinnegan maybe ? Kishi could pull out some new super  ability of the rinnegan , just like he gave Izanagi to Itachi so he could defeat Kabuto . This battle seems just as one sided in Obito's favor , so he might go the ass pull route to get him defeated rather than a combined effort from everyone there . Whatever it will be though , and even if Obito is the strongest at the moment , in my opinion Madara is still the more dangerous enemy of the two . 

I don't think so. The rinnegan has six paths and has showed us everything through Nagato. Don't tell me Madara is a greater master of the eye than him.

Personally,I didn't like this chapter. Annoys me this overturn everytime. C'mon,now Obito is stronger than Hashimara? How in this world???

I mean the Shinobi Alliance have 5 countrys,jinchuurikis and a plenty of kages(including dead kages). Neither Madara is supporting Obito wtf!!!!!

It doesn't make sense,Kishimoto has to give us a final point. Nobody can understand that Ninja War!

The Juubi is what makes Obito dangerous, not Obito himself. He has a magic dose of Senju DNA and is an Uchiha, it's not that weird.

Maybe it's because I'm foggy-minded today or something...but earlier, people were talking about seeing parallels and possible future Rin parallels. Can someone explain this to me? @_@

Kakashi saw himself in part 1 Sasuke. Kakashi and Obito saw Obito in Naruto. It wouldn't be weird if someone sees Rin in Sakura too.

 

Besides, all these remindings of Obito's feelings for Rin might lead to a parallel and a TnJ. Flashbacks are always there and for a reason. It must mean something and I think this is foreshadowing.

 

I also think Obito's feelings for Rin (as a child, before he went nuts) are similar to Naruto's feelings for Sakura. I do think Naruto and Sakura have reached the next stage though, the one Obito and Rin might have gotten to if they ever survived.

Edited by sushi., 09 July 2013 - 06:13 PM.