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[Inferno180]

In the end she might help, tho'... We don't know the differences between the black and the white one besides the will thing.

 

Actually chatte, the difference between white and black, white is purely a cloned arifical human off Hashirama's cells. Black Zetsu however has a poriton of Madara's chakra and is a bit more fight capable, this is why he was used to try and kidnapped the fuedal lords. This is also why he was always more serious compared to the others.

 

In actuality, there have been 4 types of Zetsu:

-Spiral Zetsu- The first Zetsu, a prototype who did not come out complete, had the silly personality of Tobi, later bound himself obito permanently. Gradually faded away as Obito's body grew to maturity and the body of sprial zetsu became Obitos. Given the personality, this was the true tobi, but after Itachi Obito took full control and this zetsu faded away, some think Obito was "asleep" given this zetsu freedom of movement and also why he acted silly around others like deidara.

-Zetsu prime- the first white zetsu, the one who was always around akasktui and later half of his body was turned black by madara to make black zetsu. Was killed by Sasuke. Was purely a spy and intellengence and communication person.

-Black Zetsu- As mentioned, created by Madara with half of zetsu primes body infused with madaras chakra, made to be more fight capable and serve as an extension of himself for Obito while he was dead. Currently incapaciated by the alliance.

-White zetsu army- around 100,000 clones of white zetsu empowered by the cells of Hashirama in Yamato, served as an army for the akakstui in the 4th war. Nearly all are expected to have died.

[Awes9]

Why would Obito ressurect Rin now and not before ? Why didn't Nagato ressurect Yahiko if he had the power to do it ? There must be some restrictions to the jutsu otherwise it wouldn't make sense. Maybe it will be explained in the next chapters. Madara controls Obito right now and even Obito said to Kakashi he didn't want to "let him win the war" which means he already had the intention to ressurect Madara what sense would it make for him to suddenly ressurect Rin out of nowhere even more so when Madara controls his body. It's Madara's time now since Obito is done for. I still believe Kakashi didn't tell the whole story about Rin and we will soon know more about it.

For people asking how Kakashi will het out of the other dimension he will simply use Kamui on himself like he already did in chapter 609, he now has this ability.

[FullmetalNinja25]

That was a good Chapter....up until that ending. UGH.

[Phantom_999]

Oh. Well, I can feel smpathy for Obito even more now. Plus I think that Maybe Obito has something planned out to get out of this maybe cause He stated he never trusted Madara either. It's a possibility.

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 June 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[Dkey]

The white zetsus were always following Madara's will. But it seems that white Zetsu isn't 100% white. Now maybe Madara already implanted his will in Obito's artificial body from the beginning or Black zetsu is able to manifest himself in any white zetsu cell and/or body. Thing is the black zetsu is spreading from Obito's right side from his hand towards his left side where his rinnegan is. Biologically speaking if Madara controls the right side of the brain he has control over the rinnegan and would only need his left hand to form any seals. But if Madara as of last panel isn't controlling Obito then maybe Obito still has control over his rinnegan.

 

Now Obito has a reason to defy Madara and his bet is to use rinne tensei. This maybe will make Madara try to interact with Sasuke, but anyway going back to Obito, he will do something.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Guys, seriously, spoilers on the front page.....  It's part of the rules..... 

[Atheck]

If the artificial portion of Tobi's body is being infused with Madara's chakra/will then what repercussions could this entail for the Black Zetsu who was incapacitated by Chojuro? Is he somehow being remotely extracted and acting as the controlling agent which is currently overtaking Tobi? Should there be another purpose for his continued existence then what could it possibly be? Zetsu's role beyond functioning as a dutiful aid to Tobi following Madara's death was to represent the brunt of Akatsuki's army during the war, almost all of which have since been eradicated, and to act as a means for the Rinne Tensei jutsu to be activated should Tobi become indisposed to the idea.

 

With the final purpose being resolved what else could Kishi have in mind for Zetsu?

Edited by Atheck, 26 June 2013 - 12:26 PM.

[Dkey]

If the artificial portion of Tobi's body is being infused with Madara's chakra/will then what repercussions could this entail for the Black Zetsu who was incapacitated by Chojuro? Is he somehow being remotely extracted and acting as the controlling agent which is currently overtaking Tobi? Should there be another purpose for his continued existence then what could it possibly be? Zetsu's role beyond functioning as a dutiful aid to Tobi following Madara's death was to represent the brunt of Akatsuki's army during the war, almost all of which have since been eradicated, and to act as a means for the Rinne Tensei jutsu to be activated should Tobi become indisposed to the idea.

 

With the final purpose being resolved what else could Kishi have in mind for Zetsu?

 

It is somewhat clear that Black Zetsu's mission was to watch over Obito's actions and seeing the events of this chapters to intervene in order to use Obito. As for black zetsu's capabilities or exact status, we aren't sure how it will be resolved in the end. Black zetsu could be capable of taking over Obito's body and fight. As for how powerful or effective it's debatable.

[Strangelove]

Well the limitations of Rinne Tensei...are you basically loose your life when you use it. A life for a life, in this case the life of the user.

 

Overall pretty normal character. I am glad we didn't get stuck with four chapters of flashbacks...

Edited by Strangelove, 26 June 2013 - 12:42 PM.

[Inferno180]

Well this volume is done next week. A break comes so there will be no chapter on the 10th. The climax here does set up a good conflict for the next one. Naruto and Sasuke have a reason to fight beyond hokage, sakura is not trusting of Sasuke and he may pull something bad. Madara may be revived and become very powerful, it's a very big problem if he gets revived. The next volume should be set up well, especially with the kage and tsunade returning.
 

Well the limitations of Rinne Tensei...are you basically loose your life when you use it. A life for a life, in this case the life of the user.

There can be some variances like the chakra one has and the amount they want to revive. I mean Nagato being an uzumaki did revive everyone killed in the leaf attack. For obito it could be beyond just one person, it could also be the scale of the revival like making Madara flesh and blood again, resurrected rather than reanimated.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

There can be some variances like the chakra one has and the amount they want to revive. I mean Nagato being an uzumaki did revive everyone killed in the leaf attack. For obito it could be beyond just one person, it could also be the scale of the revival like making Madara flesh and blood again, resurrected rather than reanimated.

I wish i could know how the rinne tensei works, because this is not even Madara's body.

So he can pretty much revive anyone?

The excuse that they could not revive Jiraiya was because his body was missing but Madara's body is also missing, i other words his body is not even there.
So Jiraiya wasnt revived for the sake of plot anyway, everytime  i make Greed-sama words my words too, the quality only decrease on the plot.

 

Also why Nagato didnt revived Yahiko?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 June 2013 - 12:48 PM.

[Chatte]

Well this volume is done next week. A break comes so there will be no chapter on the 10th. The climax here does set up a good conflict for the next one. Naruto and Sasuke have a reason to fight beyond hokage, sakura is not trusting of Sasuke and he may pull something bad. Madara may be revived and become very powerful, it's a very big problem if he gets revived. The next volume should be set up well, especially with the kage and tsunade returning.

How do we know that?!

[六道仙人]

there's no break after a 10th chapter O_o We'll have a break from WSJ on August 15 (Obon festival)

[arian_rad]

there's no break after a 10th chapter O_o We'll have a break from WSJ on August 15 (Obon festival)

Yeah surprised me too :/ I don't want a break in the next 2 to 3 weeks. The plot is finally moving well.

[ramenanmitsu]

Is that Madara forcing Obito to do the hand signs for Rinne Tensei?

 

I shouldn't have listened to Naruto OST "Sadness and Sorrow" while reading this chapter....I feel super depressed....

[Inferno180]

I wish i could know how the rinne tensei works, because this is not even Madara's body.

So he can pretty much revive anyone?

The excuse that they could not revive Jiraiya was because his body was missing but Madara's body is also missing, i other words his body is not even there.
So Jiraiya wasnt revived for the sake of plot anyway, everytime  i make Greed-sama words my words too, the quality only decrease on the plot.

 

Also why Nagato didnt revived Yahiko?

 

First @ Chatte I am speculating this because on the 11th, there is no episode for the anime that week, also this is what has happened the past few volumes, a volume is done then we get a break. There were 2 breaks this year so far though, first was half way into volume 65 but that week Naruto was on break, the mario oneshot was released. The other was a month later or so with the ending chapter 627. Its only a speculative guess on my end but I would not be suprised. Guess I am glad that being in America, there is a chapter before the 4th of july hoilday starts.

 

Also @ Darkrest I feel that there are 2 obvious conditions that must be met for the rinne tensei:

1. for the caster, they must possess the rinnegan and have an ample amount of chakra.

2. For the intended to be revived there are a few clasues:

-A. the person must be dead

-B. the time in which they are revived must be in a shorter term (like recently deceased) as Nagato said, he could not revived Jiraya, he possibly could have used the tech and a good amount of energy on just Jiraya to keep him a prisoner but he stated he could not revived Jiraya so one could assume if too much time passed, the rinne tensei cannot revive those dead for a certain amount of time. Otherwise Yahiko would have been able to come back to life asap.

-C. The body must be in good condition and capable of hosing the spirit of the revived, Aka if the body is a maggot filled corpse or skeleton it cannot work.

-D. because there is a difference in ressurection and reanimation, the edo tensei can allow the above to be bypassed save for rule A and because the edo tensei is a borrowed sacrifical body and the person is still there, the rinne tensei with the edo tensei can revive a sacrifical body into a full blood and flesh one of the summoned, possibly needs a lot of energy to turn the arfical body back to the real deal, but situation D has never happened until now. So we need to wait and see what happens.

 

Likewise, the tech may not always be a one time use, if there is enough ample chakra, one could possibly cast it and live like if Nagato was at full power, he could have used the tech again and again but this is only speculative.

Edited by Inferno180, 26 June 2013 - 01:02 PM.

[Chatte]

Is that Madara forcing Obito to do the hand signs for Rinne Tensei?

 

I shouldn't have listened to Naruto OST "Sadness and Sorrow" while reading this chapter....I feel super depressed....

Why would you do that to yourself?? God when the anime hits this chapter, gah, the feels!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

First @ Chatte I am speculating this because on the 11th, there is no episode for the anime that week, also this is what has happened the past few volumes, a volume is done then we get a break. There were 2 breaks this year so far though, first was half way into volume 65 but that week Naruto was on break, the mario oneshot was released. The other was a month later or so with the ending chapter 627. Its only a speculative guess on my end but I would not be suprised. Guess I am glad that being in America, there is a chapter before the 4th of july hoilday starts.

 

Also @ Darkrest I feel that there are 2 obvious conditions that must be met for the rinne tensei:

1. for the caster, they must possess the rinnegan and have an ample amount of chakra.

2. For the intended to be revived there are a few clasues:

-A. the person must be dead

-B. the time in which they are revived must be in a shorter term (like recently deceased) as Nagato said, he could not revived Jiraya, he possibly could have used the tech and a good amount of energy on just Jiraya to keep him a prisoner but he stated he could not revived Jiraya so one could assume if too much time passed, the rinne tensei cannot revive those dead for a certain amount of time. Otherwise Yahiko would have been able to come back to life asap.

-C. The body must be in good condition and capable of hosing the spirit of the revived, Aka if the body is a maggot filled corpse or skeleton it cannot work.

-D. because there is a difference in ressurection and reanimation, the edo tensei can allow the above to be bypassed save for rule A and because the edo tensei is a borrowed sacrifical body and the person is still there, the rinne tensei with the edo tensei can revive a sacrifical body into a full blood and flesh one of the summoned, possibly needs a lot of energy to turn the arfical body back to the real deal, but situation D has never happened until now. So we need to wait and see what happens.

 

Likewise, the tech may not always be a one time use, if there is enough ample chakra, one could possibly cast it and live like if Nagato was at full power, he could have used the tech again and again but this is only speculative.

Well Madara was dead long time ago, so it makes possible to revive people who are edo tensei even if they are not using their bodies?

Because the D never happend but it's going to happen, to a point that the body who gets revived it's an Uchiha + Senju cells, which will allow him to become the jinchuuriki htat he seeks, then he could've revived Rin, Nagato could revive Yahiko, and even Minato can be revived on his current state, and even with this possibily why Naruto is not tempted with the idea of bringing his parents back?

Or even Sasuke being able to revive his beloved brother and his family?

(like he said then bring back Itachi and my parents my clan then i'll stop)

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 June 2013 - 01:09 PM.

[Atheck]

 

It is somewhat clear that Black Zetsu's mission was to watch over Obito's actions and seeing the events of this chapters to intervene in order to use Obito. As for black zetsu's capabilities or exact status, we aren't sure how it will be resolved in the end. Black zetsu could be capable of taking over Obito's body and fight. As for how powerful or effective it's debatable.

 

So you're of the opinion that Black Zetsu, the one who has been acting as a loyal companion to Tobi all of this time, has manifested himself on the right portion of Tobi's body? Unless Madara can somehow remotely bypass the chakra which Chojuro was channeling through Hiramekarei to nullify Black Zetsu and have him teleport onto Tobi then that allegation seems unsubstantiated IMHO. Would total manipulation of the body even be possible? We have to keep in mind that only half of Tobi's body is composed of Zetsu. Unless Madara's corrupting chakra/essence is able to spread into the mind and parasitically attach itself then that seems unlikely as well.

 

This may just be my own thoughts on the matter but the Black Zetsu whom we've seen throughout the manga shouldn't be discounted just yet. He may still be entrapped by Chojuro's sword. Kishi would not leave how Zetsu escaped from its clutches unrevealed; it doesn't coincide with his writing style. Granted that statement isn't entirely true since there have been a few events which he failed to elaborate on like Kakashi's rampage and how a decrepit old Madara bound to Gedo Mazo for life support was somehow able to travel all of the way to Amegakure, locate the single Uzumaki child who was orphaned in that war-torn country, and then perform a complex eye transplantation procedure.

 

 

[HauntedCake]

Great chapter, some shocking turn of events. i Honestly thought Sauce was going to reveal his plan this chapter