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[alexander]

If I were you guys I would stop worrying about pairings until the last chapter. kishimoto won't do something definitive about it. Only when the series ends is that he will wrap things up. I was waiting for this philosophycal talk between Obito and Kakashi. I did not saw the Rin twist coming. I was sure it was some generic Madara plot. Glad I was wrong. I'm also glad that Obito reasons aren't so shallow anymore. He simply became disheartened with the world.

[六道仙人]

I am perfectly fine but this isn't about NS at all it's about Sakura's character in general. I see it silly that fans complained that Sakura hasn't shown up in so many chapters and when she finally makes an appearance they complained because she didn't do a single thing but waste panel time (which I think it wasn't wasting panel time Kishi must be showing her for a reason that he might be reveal further in the story). She appears for the second time since her long absence and say" she was healing and looking pretty" I see that as complaining. I said she's a medic first before her shinobi duties healing is her main priority especially in a war like this one her healing abilities are mandatory. Hinata is acting like a leader as a result from her character development which Kishi FINALLY is developing since he hasn't done so ever since her debut at the chunin exams, however Sakura's development started since her debut back at ch 3.

I will leave it like that I don't want to ruin the atmosphere the chapter was great and I'm glad Sakura will be shown more in the story because she's next to Naruto (unlike Hinata).

Look, I totally agree with you... Only that I don't like the fights here everytime a chapter is out

Anyway, talking about the chapter... So again Kishi showed that he likes foreshadowing things... Remember the bubbles around Rin when she was pierced by Kakashi and the words from mist ninjas?

In this chapter he foreshadowed that Naruto could be the future reincarnation of Rikudou Sennin (even if I hadn't like him with the rinnegan :S).

Besidess he foresadowed once again that Naruto is like Obito. Kakashi's TNJ failed with him. In a short time Minato will arrive on the battlefield and he'll try to tnj him too but at the end he will fail too.

Only Naruto can change him.

Edited by 六道仙人, 08 May 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If I were you guys I would stop worrying about pairings until the last chapter. kishimoto won't do something definitive about it. Only when the series ends is that he will wrap things up. I was waiting for this philosophycal talk between Obito and Kakashi. I did not saw the Rin twist coming. I was sure it was some generic Madara plot. Glad I was wrong. I'm also glad that Obito reasons aren't so shallow anymore. He simply became disheartened with the world.

It is shallow, because if he was dishearted why he would try to change the world?
If he doesnt care also there would be no reasons for him to keep with the Moon Eye's plan which is basically bring Rin and Kakashi to that world and "live up" there, so he still care about them but not on the current world.

Like he said about Kakashi, "i dont care if he dies because he will be there also".
He also called real kakashi and the rin who died as fakes.

Also i want naruto to have the rinnegan i would love to see Sasuke being beaten by an asspull jutsu preferably when Naruto is about to lose.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 May 2013 - 11:46 AM.

[Atheck]

It is shallow, because if he was dishearted why he would try to change the world?
If he doesnt care also there would be no reasons for him to keep with the Moon Eye's plan which is basically bring Rin and Kakashi to that world and "live up" there, so he still care about them but not on the current world.

Like he said about Kakashi, "i dont care if he dies because he will be there also".


Also i want naruto to have the rinnegan i would love to see Sasuke being beaten by an asspull jutsu preferably when Naruto is about to lose.

If Naruto is going to get another power up I would prefer it if were the intermingling combination of SM and KM that was teased about back when Naruto confronted Nagato. Just imagine him having all the benefits of both modes put together possibly with Ma and Pa being able to fuse with him now since Kurama is an ally and would likely consent to having them join with Naruto. Furthermore, it's a development not just from a physical aspect but a psychological one as well since he is essentially combining all of the knowledge that he attained over the course of the manga together to create his own unique fighting style.

It reminds of alot of the Super Kaioken maneuver that Toei depicted for a brief moment in the Otherworld Tournament filler. An eccentric and promising concept that was never used afterwards unfortunately. I hope that that is not the outcome for the hypothetical combination of Naruto's two modes.

[rocci]

It is shallow, because if he was dishearted why he would try to change the world?
If he doesnt care also there would be no reasons for him to keep with the Moon Eye's plan which is basically bring Rin and Kakashi to that world and "live up" there, so he still care about them but not on the current world.

Like he said about Kakashi, "i dont care if he dies because he will be there also".


Also i want naruto to have the rinnegan i would love to see Sasuke being beaten by an asspull jutsu preferably when Naruto is about to lose.

Yup it will be sweet to see naruto have rinnegan and beat sasuke with it,
But if I can choose I hope naruto can use combat sealing like his clan just like I hope sakura can use offensive genjutsu.

[Inferno180]

Not a bad chapter, we finally found out what Rin died, I thought she may have wanted to die. And to have been the 3 tails jinchurki as well, that was quite a shocker. Guess this explains how it was Rin's death that had the 3 tails loose in the wild?

Its getting devastating now with Naruto's chakra cloak down and unable to protect everyone, so now everyone is protecting him

Nice to have gotten a NaruSaku moment at last. Yeah she is just healing him but its just a build on last chapter from how she showed faith and support like everyone else. This was a time Sakura did it again on her own free will.

Also again, its just Hinata speaking about everyone protecting him, we really know all this already. She is not becoming a heroine, remember she is still a character who lacks a lot of screentime. Hinata's just preaching to the choir.

I'm just glad she didn't say Naruto-kun this time, if anything these 2 panels next to each other are going to generate more insanity between both fanbases as moments. This week perhaps both fanbases can be happy because of the panels of Sakura and Hinata?

We should see more with Sakura though, hinata has been appearing more but it cannot make up for the past abstance. Remember long as team 7 still has a story Naruto and Sakura's interaction will continue. This was not a bad chapter. I loved Kakashi and Obito's encounter. Least its not for Rin, thats okay. I'm glad Obito is not doing the war entirely for her. Least he is just doing it cause he is a badguy. I'm anxious for the outcome of this fight.

[Don-kun]

It's my opinion and if you don't like it don't respond to it.

Yep I agree with you about your personal opinion but honestly is being a while that I start questioning if you're indeed a NS fan since you seem more focus in being the devil advocate of the site while greatly downplaying Sakura's character (similar to her haters), fans usually act disappointment when things are note looking to well for them but you constantly bash Sakura character, talk a lot about SS to a point were is really gating old.

Implying that she had development for it and Kishimoto didn't just put a panel where she says that "Everyone together to fight" for an instant i thought it was AU!Hinata and not Hinata(because of the facial expression).
Sakura and Hinata lately are getting weird.

If am honest with you I honestly thought this was AU Hinata and not current Hinata she seemed so OOC in that panel, anyway Kishimoto knows what he is doing.


Thought pairing wise.
- I have a small feelings that Naruto might be trying to push Sakura away he looks kind of afraid of getting hurt that also would explain why he never address the girl part after Kushina's speech ,something Sakura might have to fix in the future.

- Sakura healing Naruto is kind of a foreshadowing that Naruto might want to heal fast to help the others allowing Sakura to act on her 573 speech.

- ObiRinKaka, don't know about you guys but I starting to have feelings that Rin missing Obito might of help her start realizing how important he was to her. Obito does not look like someone who will easily be TNJ so it looks like it might have to be something about Rin that might change his mind, Plus Kakashi is currently under his Genjutsu.

pairing wise this chapter kind of reinforce Naruto and Sakura getting central stage again.

By the way Hinata was not thinking about Naruto in the same fashion she normally does, she was commenting just like Choji that Naruto save her life, she is not acting like that romantic girl anymore.

About the chapter in general I will barrow this post.

I was waiting for this philosophycal talk between Obito and Kakashi. I did not saw the Rin twist coming. I was sure it was some generic Madara plot. Glad I was wrong. I'm also glad that Obito reasons aren't so shallow anymore. He simply became disheartened with the world.

Edited by Don-kun, 08 May 2013 - 12:11 PM.

[rocci]

Yep I agree with you about your personal opinion but honestly is being a while that I start questioning if you're indeed a NS fan since you seem more focus in being the devil advocate of the site while greatly downplaying Sakura's character (similar to her haters), fans usually act disappointment when things are note looking to well for them but you constantly bash Sakura character, talk a lot about SS to a point were is really gating old.






If am honest with you I honestly thought this was AU Hinata and not current Hinata she seemed so OOC in that panel, anyway Kishimoto knows what he is doing.


Thought pairing wise.
- I have a small feelings that Naruto might be trying to push Sakura away he looks kind of afraid of getting hurt that also would explain why he never address the girl part after Kushina's speech ,something Sakura might have to fix in the future.

- Sakura healing Naruto is kind of a foreshadowing that Naruto might want to heal fast to help the others allowing Sakura to act on her 573 speech.

- ObiRinKaka, don't know about you guys but I starting to have feelings that Rin missing Obito might of help her start realizing how important he was to her. Obito does not look like someone who will easily be TNJ so it looks like it might have to be something about Rin that might change his mind, Plus Kakashi is currently under his Genjutsu.

pairing wise this chapter kind of reinforce Naruto and Sakura getting central stage again.

By the way Hinata was not thinking about Naruto in the same fashion she normally does, she was commenting just like Choji that Naruto save her life, she is not acting like that romantic girl anymore.

About the chapter in general I will barrow this post.

Naruto never see sakura get hurt in front of his eye since garra fight. And when she get hurt in tenchi brige, it make naruto swear to not use Kyubi power. And this chapter reinforce the idea that naruto parallel obito.
Now tell me, what will happen to naruto if sakura get hurt?

[Don-kun]

Naruto never see sakura get hurt in front of his eye since garra fight. And when she get hurt in tenchi brige, it make naruto swear to not use Kyubi power. And this chapter reinforce the idea that naruto parallel obito.
Now tell me, what will happen to naruto if sakura get hurt?

When it comes to Sakura getting hurt I become a total denial fan worst than any pairing fan, I just don't like picturing the possibility of Sakura getting badly hurt so I honestly cannot answer that question.


By the way my rating for this chapter will be a 8.9 just because I feel the chapter was too short.

Edited by Don-kun, 08 May 2013 - 12:33 PM.

[六道仙人]

I really liked more the mangastream's version this time "I'll have you good as new in a flash..." I don't know how much it's accurate but I appreciate it, at least here.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

If Naruto is going to get another power up I would prefer it if were the intermingling combination of SM and KM that was teased about back when Naruto confronted Nagato. Just imagine him having all the benefits of both modes put together possibly with Ma and Pa being able to fuse with him now since Kurama is an ally and would likely consent to having them join with Naruto. Furthermore, it's a development not just from a physical aspect but a psychological one as well since he is essentially combining all of the knowledge that he attained over the course of the manga together to create his own unique fighting style.

It reminds of alot of the Super Kaioken maneuver that Toei depicted for a brief moment in the Otherworld Tournament filler. An eccentric and promising concept that was never used afterwards unfortunately. I hope that that is not the outcome for the hypothetical combination of Naruto's two modes.

Why not?

Keeps winning the battle then Sasuke starts asspulling jutsus from nowhere, Naruto awake the rinnegan, use an asspull jutsu when is about to lose then win

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 May 2013 - 12:52 PM.

[Atheck]

Why not?

Keeps winning the battle then Sasuke starts asspulling jutsus from nowhere, Naruto awake the rinnegan, use an asspull jutsu when is about to lose then win

Doujutsu was never really intended for Naruto himself to use. It just doesn't fit with his fighting style. I believe that Kishi has made it a point to emphasize that aspect. If anyone is to acquire the Rinnegan, aside from Madara, then it will probably be Sasuke himself.

Also, this is somewhat of an off-topic question but I'm wondering about it now. Tobi has the Rinnegan which would imply that he should be capable of using HGR. Why didn't he use HGR to absorb the chakra from Kakashi's Raikiri? Not only would it have protected Tobi from being unnecessarily impaled but he would have acquired some additional chakra to use as well.

[Chatte]

I really liked more the mangastream's version this time "I'll have you good as new in a flash..." I don't know how much it's accurate but I appreciate it, at least here.

In a flash, huh? ;)

[Strangelove]

I didnt see that way, but i can see that fanservice is happening all the time, Hinata suddenly was that, she became a "leader" with only being capable of encouraging Naruto?
Well i can expect no less than a character that "develops" offpanel.

Well about Obito and Rin, i can see that kishimoto is doing last hour changes because srsl, this whole explanation of she stepping in to die.
WTF kishi, she dies she even says Kakashi with a surprised reaction like she was killed being betrayed or something like that, if she wanted to die why she'd gave the facial expression, would not her have died with another facial expression?
Also Obirin became a parallel for SasuSaku.

Also Naruto unlocking the rinnengan = awesomeness.

Yup she died...poor writing yada yada

Obirin became a parallel for SasuSaku?...oh I get it, one tried to kill the girl the other one succeeded.

I think the Juubi was just remembering, did you see that reaction it had.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Doujutsu was never really intended for Naruto himself to use. It just doesn't fit with his fighting style. I believe that Kishi has made it a point to emphasize that aspect. If anyone is to acquire the Rinnegan, aside from Madara, then it will probably be Sasuke himself.

Also, this is somewhat of an off-topic question but I'm wondering about it now. Tobi has the Rinnegan which would imply that he should be capable of using HGR. Why didn't he use HGR to absorb the chakra from Kakashi's Raikiri? Not only would it have protected Tobi from being unnecessarily impaled but he would have acquired some additional chakra to use as well.

It was never but since he basically become the next sage of six paths so it's reasonable for him to also has the rinnegan.

Yup she died...poor writing yada yada

Obirin became a parallel for SasuSaku?...oh I get it, one tried to kill the girl the other one succeeded.

I think the Juubi was just remembering, did you see that reaction it had.

Should be Kakarin instead of Obirin oh well...
Yes i see i'm hoping for Naruto to get the rinnegan because it's time for Sasuke to receive his payback with interest included.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 May 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[Dkey]

Went to read mangastream's version. Heh good as new in a flash. Anyway did you notice that both Kakashi and Obito are trying to get the other with TNJ.

[James S Cassidy]

Wow, I actually loved this chapter. I know some people are worried about what Hinata was doing, but honestly Hinata AND Sakura are actually doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing during this whole war. Yeah we love pairing drama, but when you have it forced it is very weak and nerve racking. Here we have both Hinata and Sakura doing exactly what they were meant to be. Not just pairing fodder. Sakura is supposed to heal Naruto and Hinata being more than just oogling him.

I still don't like the way Hinata's portrayal of character, but this gets a +1 in respect from me. She still has a long way to go before I finally start to like Hinata again, but this was a step in the right direction. I see no pairing bouts in this what so ever. Just Sakura healing Naruto as she should and Hinata creating a "wall" (as she is....just kidding.XD) If anyone really tried to start a pairing bout I would mostly likely slap them whether it NH or NS because that just mean they are only reading this manga for the pairing wars. Not the story. I hate to admit, but this is what I wanted Hinata doing this whole time. Not that crap she pulled in 615-616. I wish she do more stuff like this.

Sakura and Hinata were both being heroic here.

BTW, I haven't seen Naruto that badass in a long time. I mean, look at that...

Holy Battle wounds, Batman. --Click here to view--

Also, looks like we can actually say that Obito and Naruto are officially parallel seeing how the manga basically said it itself. Glad we finally got to know why Rin died. I am glad she wasn't a traitor and actually went down because she didn't want to kill anybody with that plan. I hope nobody really compares that to Hinata's Pain arc thing cause that would just be asinine. Rin's death has no parallel and it is in it's own right a separate thing.

What would be interesting is that Obito said he knew everything, but it would be funny if Kakashi revealed something obito didn't know. Perhaps something Rin said before she died saying that she loved Obito or something. How interesting would that be? I am actually sad Rin died the way she did and I am actually starting to feel even more sorry for obito now. Not because of his loss, but because the loss and the world has altered his view such dramatically. I actually want Obito to be redeemed more than Sasuke at the moment. Mostly because I feel Obito's story is more succinct than Sasuke's.

Look I do want to say something. The only fight I really want to see Sakura in is in fighting Sasuke. I know some wanted to see her fight sooner or some other bad guy, but if she fought Sasuke would be a whole deal greater impact than her just fighting some random battle. Hinata didn't get a fight either so take that as you will. I want this story to have meaning and purpose, not just senseless forced scenes or mindless action. It was fine during the earlier chapters, but now we don't need that. With us coming to the end of the manga I don't want to see things happen for no reason. If Sakura fought side by side with Naruto against Sasuke it would do so many things and it would prove that Sakura has chosen the true side she wanted to be on.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 May 2013 - 01:28 PM.

[Atheck]

It was never but since he basically become the next sage of six paths so it's reasonable for him to also has the rinnegan.

It isn't really. Not only is it in discordance with Naruto's fighting style (his being centred around utilizing only a few jutsu in conjunction with clones whilst having to perform few handseals; the Rinnegan prides itself upon its technique versatility and heavy utilization of seals) but the resemblance with the sage pertains to their similar philosophies and fated endeavour of bringing about peace in the world. It was never suggested or stated that Naruto would acquire the Rinnegan. By that logic I could state that since the Sot6P was once the jinchuuriki of the Jubi that Naruto will become it as well. However, what do you believe is the likelihood of that occurring?

Edited by Atheck, 08 May 2013 - 01:29 PM.

[Strangelove]

It was never but since he basically become the next sage of six paths so it's reasonable for him to also has the rinnegan.


Should be Kakarin instead of Obirin oh well...
Yes i see i'm hoping for Naruto to get the rinnegan because it's time for Sasuke to receive his payback with interest included.

Oops silly me...must still be falling asleep.

I thought for a second that the silhouette on page 7 was Madara...But then I remembered all the hair the guy has. Then I thought...maybe it was Obito...nope he only has one rinnegan...and it wouldn't make any sense. Then maybe it is Naruto...but nope if you look closely that person is wearing a robe like the Hokage robe. Only explanation is that the Juubi saw Naruto and confused him with the Six Paths.

Edited by Strangelove, 08 May 2013 - 01:33 PM.

[RedDelicious]

Also, have you guys noticed how Naruto was shocked when Sakura came to heal him... He still seems oblivious to Sakura's care for him...

Maybe that isn't shock, but a different reaction to having Sakura touch him.
In which case, the "voom" sound effect is not coming the healing hands, but from Naruto.

I don't even understand why hatred is being looked upon as the all encompassing, universal cause for all of the afflictions in the Narutoverse.
...
Even if you could somehow remove all hatred in the world (which is technically impossible since it's a product of human nature which will always exist in the minds of humans) there would still be other motivations that drive people to fight and kill.

I think you are conflating "hatred" with the "cycle of hatred".
As you say, hatred will never be removed, and there will always be reasons to fight, kill, or do evil.

The "cycle of hatred" is the system that breeds and develops the worst in people, instead of the best.
It puts Danzo in power, because people are afraid and want to feel that his despicable actions will protect them.
It makes Gaara's father turn Gaara into a monster, rather than a defender of the village.
It is the idea that it is okay if civilians are hurt as long as the enemy is defeated, without thinking about how many more enemies will be created in the future by harming civilians.

So I don't think that hatred is being treated as an all encompassing universal cause.
But the cycle of hatred is like a cancer, metasizing more ill for the rest of their society.
And that is what Naruto/Jiraiya wanted to correct.