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[kirabook]

I just realized how much i miss Yamato.... seriously, I miss his hilarious facial expressions and whatnot. I hope hes rescued soon 8c

[Dkey]

I just realised something. If Minato is back isn't the other part of the Kyuubi's chakra back???

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I just realised something. If Minato is back isn't the other part of the Kyuubi's chakra back???

Would be the bigges asspull ever but i do think the other part of the kyuubi died and Kyuubi regenerated it, because he only sealed off half of her chakra to weaken her temporality to be able to seal her on Naruto.

[Inferno180]

This was a good chapter, didn't reply to it until now but the good news is, we should almost be done with the flashback and return to the present and eventually the battlefront.

[Dkey]

Would be the bigges asspull ever but i do think the other part of the kyuubi died and Kyuubi regenerated it, because he only sealed off half of her chakra to weaken her temporality to be able to seal her on Naruto.

Yes probably. Don't think Minato would be considered now a Jinchuriki, and it's a known fact that chakra regenerates, but it may be another asspull so that Naruto get's a battlefield power up.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Yes probably. Don't think Minato would be considered now a Jinchuriki, and it's a known fact that chakra regenerates, but it may be another asspull so that Naruto get's a battlefield power up.

I hope that he does not get a battlefield powerup. That would basicly reduce him to Sasuke.

Sasuke: I know im out of chakra but heres my asspull ultimate jutsu that cant be dodged.

[harry4e]

Would be the bigges asspull ever but i do think the other part of the kyuubi died and Kyuubi regenerated it, because he only sealed off half of her chakra to weaken her temporality to be able to seal her on Naruto.

Actually I think Minato sealing half of the Kyuubi chakra inside him was delibrately done as a method of later of giving Naruto a power-up later in the Manga. Jiraiya specifically mentioned Minato sealed the Yang chakra inside Naruto and the Yin inside the Shinigami (which later we found it might be inside Minato? not quite sure) and then later on we found out the the Sage used the Yin chakra to create the Nine Beasts and the Yang chakra to give them life...The Chakra Naruto has is only the Yang which was why when it comes in contact with the wood release the grows.

I originally thought this was because Kishi planned to use the lack of Yin chakra as a plot device to weaken (or for it to fail) the completed Ten-Tails but later we find that using the chakra from one tail of the Eight and Chakra from the Gold and Silver brothers was enough to revive the ten tails. So it makes no sense on why Kishi mentioned the split of Yin and Yang of Kurama's Chakra, unless he had plans for the chakra later on, Either Sasuke will end up with the Yin chakra, (as it appears the Sharingan is more Yin based) or he planned to reunite the Yin and Yang later on within Naruto to give him a power boost. (also maybe as a way of giving Naruto the ability to split the tailed beasts again after the war is over. As there is at the moment no way of splitting the Beasts once again after the war, and no suitable candidates to seal the ten tails inside)

[sushi.]

I don't think he sealed the other half into the Death God seal because then he would've used that jutsu for two things. One time it sacrifices your life, he could probably one seal once, one life. That's at least my logic. I've always believed that Minato sealed the other half into himself, then he sealed himself into Shiki Fuujin.

[Weltall]

Uchiha are really Senju dogs like Obito said.
Madara is so pathetic it's not even funny and Hashirama is starting to remind me a lot of Naruto with his " I won't let you kill my friend ". He's really an idiot, thanks to him Madara lived on and caused havoc on the world.
Oh well at least Tobirama knows how to get things done no friendship crap just go for the kill, far better character than his brother.

I hope that we won't get too much of Suenato, sorry for his fans but I really don't like suesh characters with no depth at all albeit it's still better than Hinata.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Uchiha are really Senju dogs like Obito said.
Madara is so pathetic it's not even funny and Hashirama is starting to remind me a lot of Naruto with his " I won't let you kill my friend ". He's really an idiot, thanks to him Madara lived on and caused havoc on the world.
Oh well at least Tobirama knows how to get things done no friendship crap just go for the kill, far better character than his brother.

I hope that we won't get too much of Suenato, sorry for his fans but I really don't like suesh characters with no depth at all albeit it's still better than Hinata.

Yeah Hashirama f**cked up three generations because of his inability to kill Madara.

[Jake]

Yeah Hashirama f**cked up three generations because of his inability to kill Madara.

Four generations actually. Jiraiya mentioned that Kakashi was part of the third generation so Naruto is part of the fourth generation.

[kirabook]

I wish Toribama had gotten some things done... imagine how the manga would have been. Sure, he wasn't able to kill Madara, but imagine if he killed Sasuke with his finger. Future crisis prevented.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Tobirama was the one to have Hashirama's power and Hashirama wasn't as focused as of now, no doubt Konoha will be hated even more and I can imagine Sasuke going all rage while hearing the story. Anyway, the downside is that Hashirama was so forgiving, even though you earn good deeds, bad will crawl right back in. Basically, that's what it's going to happen here. Yeah, it's like I thought. Uchiha is dangerous because their emotions are too extreme that they forgot who they are or rather want too much for themselves. Senju really are powerful or at least the two brothers. Hashirama was most likely powerful because of his belief and that's why he's in the top of the world.

One thing I noticed about parallel for Sasuke is the hate of being surpassed by their best friend in many ways. While the current moment is debatable on who is strong now, no doubt Sasuke always gets annoyed when he hear or feel that Naruto gotten stronger. Madara, however, seems like he always behind. Sasuke was behind at certain point, but he has to cheat in order to become special. Remember how Sasuke said to Naruto that he's special than him back in part 1. That's ego and envy display. So yeah, they are paralleled. Not much in personality, but their history.

[Weltall]

If Tobirama was the one to have Hashirama's power and Hashirama wasn't as focused as of now, no doubt Konoha will be hated even more and I can imagine Sasuke going all rage while hearing the story. Anyway, the downside is that Hashirama was so forgiving, even though you earn good deeds, bad will crawl right back in. Basically, that's what it's going to happen here. Yeah, it's like I thought. Uchiha is dangerous because their emotions are too extreme that they forgot who they are or rather want too much for themselves. Senju really are powerful or at least the two brothers. Hashirama was most likely powerful because of his belief and that's why he's in the top of the world.

One thing I noticed about parallel for Sasuke is the hate of being surpassed by their best friend in many ways. While the current moment is debatable on who is strong now, no doubt Sasuke always gets annoyed when he hear or feel that Naruto gotten stronger. Madara, however, seems like he always behind. Sasuke was behind at certain point, but he has to cheat in order to become special. Remember how Sasuke said to Naruto that he's special than him back in part 1. That's ego and envy display. So yeah, they are paralleled. Not much in personality, but their history.

If Tobirama was the one who decided Madara would be dead, Obito wouldn't attack Konoha he would be dead since Madara wouldn't be there to help him and Sasuke would never know the truth.
If Tobirama was the one who decided there would be no alliance with the Uchiha just the Uchiha accepting their inferiority and not buthurt about being second since it would be their rightful place thanks to Tobirama.
If Tobirama would be the one to decide Sasuke would be dead a long time ago, since for Tobirama he would be a missing nin and a traitor and would need to be executed and rightfully so, even if said missing nin has friends in the upper echelon of Konoha, because for Tobirama what matters above everything else is the village, not the sensibility of some individuals because they can't get over the fact that their murderous and psychopathic friends betrayed them and wants to wipe them and everything they hold dear.
If Tobirama...
I can carry on and on but I think you get my point, we have no way of knowing what would happen if Tobirama ruled over Hashi, but one thing is sure killing Madara was the right decision since said Madara is responsible for thousands and thousand of deaths thanks to Hashirama's stupidity.
Tobirama is a realist and a pragmatic while Hashirama is an idealist and made very poor decisions thanks to his idealistic nature, no wonder he's a Naruto parallel both are fools who can't accept reality and simply move on. Of course Tobirama made errors but at least he's far more logical in his tought process than his brother.

[The Tax-Man]

LOL. Just, LOL.

Hashi made bad decisions in the grand scheme of things. Sure. Something we seem to be missing here: he had no way of knowing what kitten it would lead to. And neither did Tobirama. He would clearly want Madara dead, we can see that from his character, but not because he would've known that Madara living on would royally kitten over the future. No, Tobirama is just a kitten. This is just one of those situations that make the more morally correct guy look like a dumbass is hindsight.

Imagine this same thing taking place in the present of the manga. You don't know what will happen in the future. You have no bias and don't hate certain characters already. What would be reasonable? Listening to this crazy guy and following his dumb steps by generating more hate or just ignoring him and trying to make sure more people aren't harmed. No one would just kill the guy. They would ignore him or try to reason with him even if that was impossible. You can NOT justify the death of anyone with this feeling you have that somehow people might be harmed later.

Are we seriously saying a preemptive strike on Hashirama's part would make any goddamn sense? He was a leader exactly because he could see peaceful ways out of things. Sure, we say the world would be better off if Madara had been killed. But it would be way better off if the sage had any sense and didn't show a preference for his younger son and start this whole mess in the first place. Wouldn't that have literally saved millions? Hindsight's a b*tch, isn't it?

Edited by The Tax-Man, 25 March 2013 - 03:24 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Tobirama was the one who decided Madara would be dead, Obito wouldn't attack Konoha he would be dead since Madara wouldn't be there to help him and Sasuke would never know the truth.
If Tobirama was the one who decided there would be no alliance with the Uchiha just the Uchiha accepting their inferiority and not buthurt about being second since it would be their rightful place thanks to Tobirama.
If Tobirama would be the one to decide Sasuke would be dead a long time ago, since for Tobirama he would be a missing nin and a traitor and would need to be executed and rightfully so, even if said missing nin has friends in the upper echelon of Konoha, because for Tobirama what matters above everything else is the village, not the sensibility of some individuals because they can't get over the fact that their murderous and psychopathic friends betrayed them and wants to wipe them and everything they hold dear.
If Tobirama...
I can carry on and on but I think you get my point, we have no way of knowing what would happen if Tobirama ruled over Hashi, but one thing is sure killing Madara was the right decision since said Madara is responsible for thousands and thousand of deaths thanks to Hashirama's stupidity.
Tobirama is a realist and a pragmatic while Hashirama is an idealist and made very poor decisions thanks to his idealistic nature, no wonder he's a Naruto parallel both are fools who can't accept reality and simply move on. Of course Tobirama made errors but at least he's far more logical in his tought process than his brother.

Good point.

[kirabook]

Of course it would have been bad if Hashi killed Madara when they were kids and they first met. They were friends. Even when they found out they were opposing clans, I don't believe that was really enough reason to kill him at that point. They bot experienced the same pain (losing siblings) and had the same goal (finding piece and protecting their remaining brother)

But from what we have seen up to this point, there is a point in time when a person becomes so dangerous and if time after time after time they refuse to compromise, I think it's dangerous keeping them around. I'm not saying he should go to wherever the Uchiha's have been up to this point and take him out, but I have this sinking suspicion that after their huge fight (the first flashback we saw) Hashi still gave Madara mercy and let him roam free.

I would think after he tells you to kill your own brother, something would click and tell you, "Maybe this person will never be stable enough to not cause what I care for harm."

But Naruto and Hashi are stuck in the past. At one point in time, those Uchiha's were good people, but what i have gathered from these chapters are that, no matter what, most Uchiha's are doomed to be mentally unstable and insane if they get 'hurt'. That's no reason to kill them at birth, but dang, I would think the village and everyone else would have learned their lesson and did all they can to prevent more Madara's.

[Weltall]

LOL. Just, LOL.

Hashi made bad decisions in the grand scheme of things. Sure. Something we seem to be missing here: he had no way of knowing what kitten it would lead to. And neither did Tobirama. He would clearly want Madara dead, we can see that from his character, but not because he would've known that Madara living on would royally kitten over the future. No, Tobirama is just a kitten. This is just one of those situations that make the more morally correct guy look like a dumbass is hindsight.

Imagine this same thing taking place in the present of the manga. You don't know what will happen in the future. You have no bias and don't hate certain characters already. What would be reasonable? Listening to this crazy guy and following his dumb steps by generating more hate or just ignoring him and trying to make sure more people aren't harmed. No one would just kill the guy. They would ignore him or try to reason with him even if that was impossible. You can NOT justify the death of anyone with this feeling you have that somehow people might be harmed later.

Are we seriously saying a preemptive strike on Hashirama's part would make any goddamn sense? He was a leader exactly because he could see peaceful ways out of things. Sure, we say the world would be better off if Madara had been killed. But it would be way better off if the sage had any sense and didn't show a preference for his younger son and start this whole mess in the first place. Wouldn't that have literally saved millions? Hindsight's a b*tch, isn't it?

A preemptive strike ? What does have to do with any of that ?
Madara made his choice a long time ago or did you miss the panels when it's explicitely said he tried to kill Hashirama multiple times. Did you miss the multiple times that Hashirama offered him to join him and realize the dreams they once had only for Madara to refuse that choice again and again and keep on wanting war ? Even the freaking Uchiha refused to follow Madara knowing his mindset and how far he has gone. You can't force your opinions on others if they don't share them, you just have to accept it and move on. Hashirama f**cked up big times and is indirectly responsible for the deaths of many because of his selfish desires to save a "friend" who doesn't want to be saved, besides what does he need to be saved for, he made his own choices with his own free will no one forced him.
Personally I value personal responsibility and free choices above everything else, that's why some themes in this manga directly conflicts with my ideals, if you have an other perspective of things fair enough but I will never ever see it that way no matter how much Kishi tries to play the pity card.

Edited by Weltall, 25 March 2013 - 04:12 AM.

[The Tax-Man]

A preemptive strike ? What does have to do with any of that ?
Madara made his choice a long time ago or did you miss the panels when it's explicitely said he tried to kill Hashirama multiple times. Did you miss the multiple times that Hashirama offered him to join him and realize the dreams they once had only for Madara to refuse that choice again and again and keep on wanting war ? Even the freaking Uchiha refused to follow Madara knowing his mindset and how far he has gone. You can't force your opinions on others if they don't share them, you just have to accept it and move on. Hashirama f**cked up big times and is indirectly responsible for the deaths of many because of his selfish desires to save a "friend" who doesn't want to be saved, besides what does he need to be saved for, he made his own choices with his own free will no one forced him.
Personally I value personal responsibility and free choices above everything else, that's why some themes in this manga directly conflicts with my ideals, if you have an other perspective of things fair enough but I will never ever see it that way no matter how much Kishi tries to play the pity card.

That's cool. I wasn't talking about what you're talking about though. I was just saying that Madara deserved a chance as a child - something Tobirama obviously would hate. Don't say he isn't a kitten, because he is and absolutely hates Uchiha.

Also, I never said he should've been left free after all he did. Besides, as far as we know right now, Hashirama did eventually end up 'killing' him at the valley. I just try to reserve judgement on things until we have a complete picture. For all we know, Hashirama and Madara had the big fight right there.

[Weltall]

Please tell me where did I say that Madara didn't deserve a chance as a child ? And Tobirama gave a chance to Uchiha because if he wanted he could clearly kill them all since he was the leader of the village so really way to overexagerate things.

And again you're missing the point Tobirama is a flawed character, I never said otherwise he's a bigot and is wary of the Uchiha because of his own experiences, he created an immoral jutsu and is a pragmatic who is ready to make sacrifices for what he deems necessary to protect the village and that's like that he is presented and here is the clear difference between the two, whereas Hashirama is given a free pass for his stupid decisions Tobirama is vilified for his errors.

Edited by Weltall, 25 March 2013 - 04:34 AM.