Honestly, you're not the only one who wants this to happen. Now that Minato's back, I'm really hoping for a Team Minato reunion. I'm also hoping for a repeat of the hospital fight. Only this time it's Team Minato's turn. It'd be a hundred times more emotional than the one in part I, because of the amount of sadness and grief on Rin's part when she sees how far her boys have fallen. To the point they're dragging the entire world into their own personal mess/rivalry.
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#101
Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:53 PM
Honestly, you're not the only one who wants this to happen. Now that Minato's back, I'm really hoping for a Team Minato reunion. I'm also hoping for a repeat of the hospital fight. Only this time it's Team Minato's turn. It'd be a hundred times more emotional than the one in part I, because of the amount of sadness and grief on Rin's part when she sees how far her boys have fallen. To the point they're dragging the entire world into their own personal mess/rivalry.
The family that couldn't be.
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#102
Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:56 PM
Well said.... well said. I'd like to see something like that happen as well. Team Minato reunion ftw.
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#103
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:03 PM
It's the same here. The whole idea of talking about love in the middle of a battle arc just reeks of contrivance to me. Just like with the Hinata stuff, I'm not going to just handwave it away. I think this is foreshadowing of some appearance of love in the future, as well as some vague notions about the present and goals and ideals. Just as with the Hinata sections.
I have said before that SS (in some form) could make an appearance again, although I didn't really see how as it would be totally outlandish. But this little speech makes it less so. If someone is talking to Sasuke about love, then the immediate leap is to Sakura and/or Karin, who are both probably in the village right now.
Along with all the other points about families and brotherhood and teammate, I think the stage is also being set for a shipping rouse to pop up. And if Kishimoto's so big on parallels and balance, then some faux-SS moment really could follow 615 and it's big faux-NH moment.
Again, this is not about a pairing. This is about seeing bigger patterns in the plot and identifying the threads of foreshadowing as they happen.
It's ironic that out of my whole looooong post, you pull the one comment about shipping, and then tell me that I should stop relating things to pairing. Give me a break. Haters gonna hate, indeed.
I stop reading right there, I could expect this from any other user but not from you.
It's like Sakura just realize how much Hinata is fighting for Naruto loves but with no knowledge of Sasuke's location and completely amnesia about what he did to her, she became a sensor type like Karin and run up to fin Sasuke in Konoha, Sakura even vowed that this time she will help Naruto no matter what he says and that she believes in him when it comes to handling Sasuke.
Seriously, is this you wanting to be right about your speculation of gating more SS and NH moment or what? This chapter didn't have anything to do with pairing.
#104
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:21 PM
It's like Sakura just realize how much Hinata is fighting for Naruto loves but with no knowledge of Sasuke's location and completely amnesia about what he did to her, she became a sensor type like Karin and run up to fin Sasuke in Konoha, Sakura even vowed that this time she will help Naruto no matter what he says and that she believes in him when it comes to handling Sasuke.
Seriously, is this you wanting to be right about your speculation of gating more SS and NH moment or what? This chapter didn't have anything to do with pairing.
Indeed. It's all center around the curse and brotherly love. When I read, I don't try to get a shipping moment or hint, rather read it as a manga in general. I know we think of possibilities, but let's be realistic as well. Why you think it felt foolish to think Naruto and Hinata would fight together alone against the main 3. Again, this chapter made a clear about what's this foreshadowing and that's Naruto/Sasuke (bond and battle).
#105
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:23 PM
As my own personal opinion, i see this is as justification for Obito, as well as forshadowing of a potential redemption for Obito. When i read the description of the change when you obtain sharingan, i got the feeling it was like a medical ailment, and most ailments can be cured. One of the major themes of this series, imo, is that redemption is always possible. (i.e., Zabuza, Gaara, Tsunade, Itachi(kinda), Pein, Kyuubi?, ect) All of these people were changed for the better (by Naruto, no less) and redeemed, in a way, from how far gone they were before hand. With this in mind, I feel like later down the road, there will be a realization of a way to reverse or remove the hate/mental changes caused from the traumatic event or something along those lines, making it able for Sasuke and even Obitio to be redeemed, saved from their hate and brought back to the light. After all, love cures hate, and we all know Naruto has enough of that to go around.
Anyways, like i said, i found it as an explanation for Obito's turn and as a plot device to be used later on, and not as foreshadowing towards any sort of romance. Could the two later be related? Sure, but for now, it's too hard to tell. (However, im making this as food for thought and maybe even my own personal theory. I had said only love can cure hate, and with how much edo tenshi is being used right now, what if Orochi or someone else were to resurrect Rin and have her retell the story of what had happened? We still need to hear Kakashi's POV on the matter, but with how important of a character Rin is right now and with how little we actually know about her, im thinking she may get her 15 minutes of fame and get her own appearance to tell of what happened and maybe even be the deciding factor of returning Obito good again. Afterall, Kishi has already done stuff like this before... (Minato coming back inside the seal to fix it during the Pein fight, Kushina coming back inside the seal to tell her story and to help him with taking Kyuubi's power, and Minato again just now as one of the four who know everything.) I'm calling it now. :3) Just my 2cents~~>
I could certainly see the love statements as a plot device to turn Obito's story on.
Like I said, Kishimoto's parallels are more like funhouse mirrors than actual reflections. There are just too many and all distorted versions. Some may be more accurate reflections than others, but we have no way of knowing until after the fact.
And sorry...I see that you thought I meant romance when I said foreshadowing of SS. I did not. I didn't mean romance or reciprocated love or any other kind of relationship. Just that the specter of SS might rise again in some form. Or the specter of SK.
That something might happen to give the appearance of SS. I didn't think it was truly possible before (because Sasuke simply doesn't care), but now Sasuke might have a reason to be more of a teammate again. And that might give rise to speculation.
It was a single point in a lap that people have hung up on unfortunately, distorting it into something I didn't say, even though I gone to great lengths to clarify, even from the beginning. *sigh* I need to get back to work....
#106
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:30 PM
Sasuke and Karin will definitely meet first I think. It seem strange to show her escaping and not bring her out when Sasuke, the boy she was fake fangirling over, is so nearby. If romantic love is going to be brought up, it will definitely be from Karin. Randomly in my mind, I even imagined Karin bringing up Sakura's love in the middle of it too. Meh.
Anyway, we'll have to see. I think Shodaime (I get tired of spelling his name) will get more serious when answering this question. Maybe.
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#107
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:33 PM
Also, I was definitely not expecting the First Hokage to have the personality that he does. LOL. I love his reaction when he finds out that Tsunade is in charge of the village. He thinks she's going to destroy it. xD That panel of her as a child is really cute too. EDIT: I just remembered that she's probably dead right now. My feels.
It looks like they won't be using the Hokages to fight though. It's a shame. I was excited to see Naruto meet Minato in person. Could you imagine Naruto and the First Hokage in the same room? LOL. I feel like they would get along the same way that Naruto does with Killer Bee. Total goofs.
I think I'm actually going to enjoy this Sasuke mini-arc.
I estimate that it'll last for another chapter and maybe half of the chapter after that.
Edited by Slextrem, 05 February 2013 - 05:34 PM.
#108
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:37 PM
It's like Sakura just realize how much Hinata is fighting for Naruto loves but with no knowledge of Sasuke's location and completely amnesia about what he did to her, she became a sensor type like Karin and run up to fin Sasuke in Konoha, Sakura even vowed that this time she will help Naruto no matter what he says and that she believes in him when it comes to handling Sasuke.
Seriously, is this you wanting to be right about your speculation of gating more SS and NH moment or what? This chapter didn't have anything to do with pairing.
AGAIN, I wrote a huge post, with lots of other points. If you don't expect that I'm going to analyze different aspects of a chapter and how that might play out...then yeah YOU DON'T KNOW ME EVERY WELL.
Which is perfectly fine. I didn't expect some folks to agree. But I did think that this community could handle me fleshing out different theories behind what's going on here, instead of zeroing in on a single point about SS and then arguing back about something that I don't think either. No shit this chapter wasn't about pairing. I never said it was.
Grrr. Sorry. I blew my morning writing window with that post and now this is eating into lunch, and I have a boatload of design work on my desk. I had some thoughts about the illustrations too, but I think I'm going to shelve that until I'm feeling more patient.
#109
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:39 PM
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#110
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:44 PM
#111
Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:44 PM
Well I do believe Sakura needs one last talk with Sasuke. After all, Sasuke needs to clear up things with his old teammates. Naruto will be the main one. I don't think Sakura never talking to Sasuke would happen, so I am neutral on it. At least, tricksie pointed out that it's not going to romance, so that's where I can't argue. So, if she thought I pointed her out, I apologize.
So, I feel like the next chapter will help us to get an idea whether Sasuke should come back to Konoha or leave and create his own, which I can see happening.
#112
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:14 PM
For of all I don't believe this Manga will end without Sakura and Sasuke talking to each other.
The single fact that you say that Sakura and Karin could be in Konaha is what made me stop reading the post, plus I know that it's being almost or more than a year that you being speculating about a possible SS moment ( and we should prepare ourselves), I honestly cannot see one right now.
Naruto is a good person and he has always being nice to Hinata so is not odd to see him having some nice moment with her (after all they on the same side), Sakura already knows that Naruto loves her plus she knows Sasuke would try to kill her, if Sakura was a side character I will believe that but something like this will only make her character be seeing by the readers in a worst manner than how she is viewed right know, trust me I don't believe this is Kishi's intentions at all.
For Sakura to abandon Naruto and the alliance for something that has nothing to do with saving the kages, is almost like Sakura becoming a new villain, there is no reason to keep lucking at her as a good person, you don't abandon all your friends that are fighting to save the world to search for a psycho who never loved you and try to kill you, your friend teacher and promise to destroy your homeland after killing your friend.
This is why I stop reading, if I'm wrong something I seriously doubt, then I will be the first one to apologize the same way when I was the first to mention how you were right about the passing chakra to others or Slextrem stating that it was only a chakra thing going on.
Later I might even stop reading this Manga.
Edited by Don-kun, 05 February 2013 - 06:17 PM.
#113
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:20 PM
For of all I don't believe this Manga will end without Sakura and Sasuke talking to each other.
The single fact that you say that Sakura and Karin could be in Konaha is what made me stop reading the post, plus I know that it's being almost or more than a year that you being speculating about a possible SS moment ( and we should prepare ourselves), I honestly cannot see one right now.
Naruto is a good person and he has always being nice to Hinata so is not odd to see him having some nice moment with her (after all they on the same side), Sakura already knows that Naruto loves her plus she knows Sasuke would try to kill her, if Sakura was a side character I will believe that but something like this will only make her character be seeing by the readers in a worst manner than how she is viewed right know, trust me I don't believe this is Kishi's intentions at all.
For Sakura to abandon Naruto and the alliance for something that has nothing to do with saving the kages, is almost like Sakura becoming a new villain, there is no reason to keep lucking at her as a good person, you don't abandon all your friends that are fighting to save the world to search for a psycho who never loved you and try to kill you, your friend teacher and promise to destroy your homeland after killing your friend.
This is why I stop reading, if I'm wrong something I seriously doubt, then I will be the first one to apologize the same way when I was the first to mention how you were right about the passing chakra to others or Slextrem stating that it was only a chakra thing going on.
Later I might even stop reading this Manga.
It's possible that Sakura won't talk to Sasuke again, but we shall see soon. But yeah, romance wise, no go. No, this is not what I think now. I'm only stating other possibility.
So anyone hoping to get a mention of Mito in the next chapter? It's now Hashirama time to talk. We got already from Tobirama and Hiruzen. Minato might be last if not hold on for Naruto's conversation.
Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 05 February 2013 - 06:22 PM.
#114
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:23 PM
So anyone hoping to get a mention of Mito in the next chapter? It's now Hashirama time to talk. We got already from Tobirama and Hiruzen. Minato might be last if not hold on for Naruto's conversation.
Hmm, im not sure. I personally see no reason to show mito, maybe in flashback but otherwise i wouldnt expect it. We will see.
#115
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:28 PM
The thing is that they're in a "take five" mood. Relax and act yourself as you see fit. That's why people are surprised to see Hashirama's personality like that. Last time he got revived is in battle mode. Now, we are calm. Plus, I can see how Mito can be brought up by him talking about it or Minato himself since he married an Uzumaki. Hashirama seems like the guy who really interrupts the conversation. For example, "I remember when I won the tournament of 1998 and..." Then the other speak, "No! That's not the right time because I remember telling you to go for the tournament but you refused it." He's really well Naruto-ish. Anyhow, we shall see what's next.
#116
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:31 PM
If we're talking about romantic Uchiha love, we should be comparing Sasuke to Obito. Obito would have never been able to hurt Rin. She was the one thing that he always wanted to be protected, and as soon as he lost her, he gave up all hope for the real world and fell into complete despair. Does anyone honestly believe that Sasuke would have the same reaction if he were to witness Sakura's death?
The hatred and power that the Uchiha have comes from losing what they love, but remember, Sasuke had no qualms about trying to murder Sakura twice in a row. If his great and mighty Uchiha heart belonged to her, would he have been able to attack her with the intention of killing her? Highly unlikely. Even if he was able to kill her despite being in love with her (which Obito's history and this chapter contradict), this chapter says that he would have become even more hateful and powerful because of it, but he has no reaction both times.
So, don't worry about SasuSaku. Sasuke have never shown a romantic interest in Sakura, and I doubt he's going to start now just because of his new-found power of love and sparkles.
If anything, this chapter is an indication of NaruSasu and ItachiSasuke
Edited by Slextrem, 05 February 2013 - 06:34 PM.
#117
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:34 PM
Hashirama: OK, so after seeing this, I have this weird feeling that Hashirama reminds me of Laguna (Final Fantasy VIII) and Naruto. It's good to know that he was sensitive to his people (Tobirama calls him soft, so that's where I get this conclusion) and that he does not tolerate mistreatment (which can be seen when he gets angry at his brother for how he handled the Uchiha). I'm looking forward to what he has to say in the next chapter.
Tobirama: OK, so I'm not sure what to think about him now. In a way, he reminds me of the things Danzo did for the village. On the other hand, he also did his own good things (like when he chose to act as a decoy to protect his students (This was when he chose Sarutobi to be the third Hokage); plus I feel like he also regrets that the Uchiha clan was annihilated(well, that's what I perceive from his expression in the bottom-right panel of this page. Then again, when he said that they were useful in a way, I got Danzo's vibe yet again). And finally... either Hashirama's volition is as small as a gumball, or Tobirama's will is very strong).
Sarutobi: I still admire Sarutobi a lot. You can clearly see that he had a feeling of guilt as he narrated Itachi's story.
Minato: Well, as handsome as ever (what? even I have to admit that he's can attract a girl quite easily) XD
Anyway, he's as humble as ever, and even though we haven't heard much from him, I hope we can see him talk in the next chapter (after Hashirama, of course)
Orochimari: If Orochimaru isn't planning to destroy Konoha, then what is his plan now? I could go on a limb and say that he wants to possess Sasuke, but I don't think that's his main goal, or maybe he wants this, but he may have a bigger plan... :rolleyes:
Itachi: You know? Sometimes I wonder what else we have to hear from Itachi (he just keeps popping up everywhere in the manga). However, its amazing to see the lengths and limits he was willing to overcome just to protect the village and his brother.
Sasuke: Finally, I wonder what he will do with all the info he is gathering. We saw sadness, anger, and many other feelings as he heard what both the Third and the Second were saying. I believe this will only reaffirm his resolve, but we have yet to see.
Final thoughts: Sorry for not mentioning you Suigetsu, but I do must say that you're a funny one. Anyway, Looking forward to the next chapter and to what everyone plans to do (Oro, Sasuke, Hawk, and the Kages, of course).
#118
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:47 PM
If we're talking about romantic Uchiha love, we should be comparing Sasuke to Obito. Obito would have never been able to hurt Rin. She was the one thing that he always wanted to be protected, and as soon as he lost her, he gave up all hope for the real world and fell into complete despair. Does anyone honestly believe that Sasuke would have the same reaction if he were to witness Sakura's death?
The hatred and power that the Uchiha have comes from losing what they love, but remember, Sasuke had no qualms about trying to murder Sakura twice in a row. If his great and mighty Uchiha heart belonged to her, would he have been able to attack her with the intention of killing her? Highly unlikely. Even if he was able to kill her despite being in love with her (which Obito's history and this chapter contradict), this chapter says that he would have become even more hateful and powerful because of it, but he has no reaction both times.
So, don't worry about SasuSaku. Sasuke have never shown a romantic interest in Sakura, and I doubt he's going to start now just because of his new-found power of love and sparkles.
If anything, this chapter is an indication of NaruSasu and ItachiSasuke
For me it's the same speech that Madara made to Obito.
Now Tobirama's speech that Uchiha's power comes from love was retarded.
#119
Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:58 PM
Now Tobirama's speech that Uchiha's power comes from love was retarded.
Hmm imo love and hate are pretty much linked...Sasuke hated Itachi so much precisely because he loved him more than anyone else before the 'betrayal'. Obito hated the world because he loved Rin etc. It's clear the Sharingan gets awakened and evolves when the user is in some distressed/extreme emotional state.
So for me I don't think it's all that far fetched, and imo it makes sense. It's not as though Tobirama said the Uchiha would be stronger if they were all happy loving bunnies.
I mean I suppose as a bloodline limit it's beneficial in some way- instead of becoming broken and losing focus if people you want to protect are in danger/killed, your Sharingan feeds off those feelings and becomes more powerful.
Just my two cents
#120
Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:03 PM
So for me I don't think it's all that far fetched, and imo it makes sense. It's not as though Tobirama said the Uchiha would be stronger if they were all happy loving bunnies.
I mean I suppose as a bloodline limit it's beneficial in some way- instead of becoming broken and losing focus if people you want to protect are in danger/killed, your Sharingan feeds off those feelings and becomes more powerful.
Just my two cents
Why Sasuke's sharingan got stronger when he fought Naruto.
Their power is based on hatred, Kishimoto is just makin Sasuke to be seens that he's good and he's the great victim of the story he will pass by without taking any consequences of his actions.
I would imagine Naruto being an uchiha he would never awake the mangekyou since he's able to endure it all the time.
More and more asspulls coming to a point that i think i should turn off my critical sense and only read and do not discuss about chapters anymore.
The rikkudon stuff he attacked his younger brother and awakened the mangekyou, Kakashi kills RIn and awake the mangekyou so where's this love?
It's even said that both Madara and his brother murdered their friends to awake the mangekyou.
Edited by narusaku4ver, 05 February 2013 - 07:07 PM.
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