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[CloudMountainJuror]

My post didn't get noticed.

I noticed it, Kamina. D:

Oh, and, to those that it applies: please don't get this thread closed or encourage that it be closed. This thread is great. We're summing up everything that will inevitably be lost in hundreds and hundreds of pages in the debate thread in its own special little thread here. Plus, there are legitimate complaints here that are being brought to the forefront. Frankly, this is the best thread on this website that I've seen in at least a year.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 28 December 2012 - 09:22 PM.

[dl316bh]

Honestly, the manga has been going to hell ever since the Kage Summit arc.

The tipping point, for me, was always as far back as when Sasuke killed Orochimaru, which must have been well over two hundred chapters ago. That was the first time the series threw up a serious red flag, because it had just casually dispatched its big bad, the guy built since partway through Part One as the ultimate villain of the piece, which was not a good sign. In hindsight, it destroyed the clear goal it had built to, making the manga wander without clear direction. Then Akatsuki looked to be the ultimate bad guys and they were punked and then someone else is the bad guy and then this happens and that happens and holy crap how does that scene relate to anything we've seen previously?

Naruto has been flopping around like an epileptic fish for hundreds of chapters now, concerned more with what's happening in a given moment than with what makes sense, what's happened previously and what might happen in the future. Things just happen, with little rhyme or reason; basically, they lost the plot. Now, the emotional core - the characters and how they relate to each other - barely makes even a lick of sense. If you were to erase your memories, go back and read the first hundred chapters, then guess on the basics of where the story would go, the characters would go and the themes, you would never in a million years guess half of what's happened, mostly because it makes little sense. The only constant here is the theme of bonds and the fact that Sasuke will be involved in the endgame.

I've been rebuffed before with "they're not real people, so they don't need to act like they are". This is a line of thinking that is, inherantly, flawed. Not everyone is going to hold true to everything they believe, as we're all a little bit hypocritical. So it's true that not EVERYTHING a person does needs a reason. But you do need to be able to connect with the characters, sympathize with them maybe, or at least want to see them get their comeuppance. When characters radically shift like they have, that connection is lost. That's basically what's happened here.

I'm sorry, was I rambling? I do that.

Edited by dl316bh, 28 December 2012 - 09:31 PM.

[Askia31]

Lol at me not being an NS fan, even though I hate nh even more than ss.


Sorry but when reality slaps you in the face, I just can't help it... y'know. But it seems you guys have some pink and yellow goggles protecting you from it



Next chapter I can already see Naruto comparing Hinata to Kushina.

Edited by Askia31, 28 December 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[dl316bh]

Next chapter I can already see Naruto comparing Hinata to Kushina.

You've clearly never read a manga before if you think what happened in that chapter constitutes canon.

Or think that a scenario such as you just described would actually happen.

Edited by dl316bh, 28 December 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Lol at me being an NS fan, even though I hate nh even more than ss.


Sorry but when reality slaps you in the face, I just can't help it... y'know. But it seems you guys have some pink and yellow goggles protecting you from it



Next chapter I can already see Naruto comparing Hinata to Kushina.

Srsly? Now you are a NS fan? You said that you were Nh fan on chapter 615 thread, now you suddenly became NS fan.
Saying that i'm a NS fan does not make your argument stronger.
No one here is using a pink/yellow googles.

I want to talk with a mod.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[Don-kun]

My post didn't get noticed.

I did but I'm so tired of Kishi that Am kind of feeling sick right know, I mean I have a strong feelings that NS will be canon if Kishi does not continue ignoring his character to keep the paring drama alive.

But most of the NH fans are the rudest, very arrogant and the most cynical fans I ever met in my live over the internet, but despite that Hina>>>Naru got 6 moment without any NS interaction and lately this boom, I didn't see any romantic implication from Naruto since his hand shake with Gaara was far more touching than this moment that he even blush, but has far has I know this is the strongest fan service any pairing has gotten so far from Kishi and the worst part is that he needed to force it and make all the other characters useless to push NH.

A mean what happen with the blushing, the romantic atmosphere, the tenderness, sweet smiles, the warn the two character feels, the passionate hugs, touch etc, why did he need to make everything so damn force to please such rude fans.

Angry because many NH fans need to invade NS space to bash on the pairing and the fans, it's really annoying.

Edited by Don-kun, 28 December 2012 - 09:46 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I did but I'm so tired of Kishi that Am kind of feeling sick right know, I mean I have a strong feelings that NS will be canon if Kishi does not continue ignoring his character to keep the paring drama alive.

But most of the NH fans are the rudest, very arrogant and the most cynical fans I ever met in my live over the internet, but despite that Hina>>>Naru got 6 moment without any NS interaction and lately this boom, I didn't see any romantic implication from Naruto since his hand shake with Gaara was far more touching than this moment that he even blush, but has far has I know this is the strongest fan service any pairing has gotten so far from Kishi and the worst part is that he needed to force it and make all the other characters useless to push NH.

A mean what happen with the blushing, the romantic atmosphere, the tenderness, sweet smiles, the warn the two character feels, the passionate hugs, touch etc, why did he need to make everything so damn force to peace such rude fans.

Angry because many NH fans need to invade NS space to bash on the pairing and the fans, it's really annoying.

I hope the mods come fast.

[StriderC]

You've clearly never read a manga before if you think what happened in that chapter constitutes canon.

Or think that a scenario such as you just described would actually happen.

I'd die of laughter he started doing some BS like that. What is he gonna compare? Their hair length?

[dl316bh]

Assuming they ARE a NH fan here to ruffle feathers - and I don't know that they are, since you'd think a troll wouldn't have been registered as far back as '08, but I don't know either way - you're just giving them their jollies by reacting to and acknowledging it.

Edited by dl316bh, 28 December 2012 - 09:53 PM.

[Nate River]

I wonder if people thought that Kishi had lost his mind when he presented Tobi as being Madara way back in the day.

Nah.

I thought that when had a guy who fled his village and abandoned his team because he viewed those bonds as hindrances formed a new team seconds after leaving Orochimaru.

ngry because many NH fans need to invade NS space to bash on the pairing and the fans, it's really annoying.

If that is going on....REPORT THE OFFENDING POSTS. Don't just hurl general accusations.

[dl316bh]

Nah.

I thought that when had a guy who fled his village and abandoned his team because he viewed those bonds as hindrances formed a new team seconds after leaving Orochimaru.

So about the same time as me.

Stop thinking the same as me Nate! Ur maeking me les of a speshul snoflaek.

[Don-kun]

Assuming they ARE a NH fan here to ruffle feathers - and I don't know that they are, since you'd think a troll wouldn't have been registered as far back as '08, but I don't know either way - you're just giving them their jollies by reacting to and acknowledging it.

Sorry I have a bad day on DA not here plus reading some post in the NS space on ANH space on NF plus YouTube just made it worst.
A mean why tag something under NS just to bash the fans on the pairing, people even saying stuff like Sakura you useless is time to move on, NH is canon In your face NS.

I try exploring other NS stuff when I felt thing had die down here, but it was a very big mistake.

Edited by Don-kun, 28 December 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sorry I have a bad day on DA not here plus reading some post in the NS space on ANH space on NF plus YouTube just made it worst.
A mean why tag something under NS just to bash the fans on the pairing, people even saying stuff like Sakura you useless is time to move on, NH is canon In your face NS.

I try exploring other NS stuff when I felt thing had die down here, but it was a very big mistake.

Well i'll stick with the 2ch people, they did a lot of reasonable posts about the chapter.

But one thing is certain after closing Hinata he will surely resume building up Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[dl316bh]

Three admins at once?

I'd say this threads days are numbered.

A mean why tag something under NS just to bash the fans on the pairing, people even saying stuff like Sakura you useless is time to move on, NH is canon In your face NS.

A general tip I've learned over the years:

Never read the comment section of anything. EVER. The comment section of any website is a cesspool. There are always people who jump in, get insulting and generally make it their lifes mission to try and make others feel bad.

Surfing the net is a far better experience if you download a plugin that disables comments.

Edited by dl316bh, 28 December 2012 - 10:09 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Well i'll stick with the 2ch people, they did a lot of reasonable posts about the chapter.

Can you please link me the site you're talking about? I'm curious.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Can you please link me the site you're talking about? I'm curious.

http://services.4-ch.net/2chportal/

Click on "2ch search" -> then type Naruto.
Good luck.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 10:11 PM.

[dl316bh]

Can you please link me the site you're talking about? I'm curious.

It's 2chan, I believe. Related to 4chan. Far as I know it's based around manga and anime. Not sure if it's something linkable though.

[六道仙人]

Hinata compared to Kushina from Naruto in next chapter? Only if Kishimoto drink a lot of sake..

In fact he likes to drink sake, he even stated himself in a comment in the last WSJ's TOC. Now I understand why he's just kittening up his logic. Maybe this man is drunkard?

Edited by 六道仙人, 28 December 2012 - 10:13 PM.

[Derock]

Three admins at once?

I'd say this threads days are numbered.

You're sure about that?

I and the other 2 are watching everyone's single move... You'll never know what or when we attack!

[CloudMountainJuror]

You're sure about that?

I and the other 2 are watching everyone's single move... You'll never know what or when we attack!

Would you say that you're like...
...
...ninjas?