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[alexander]

Because, unless it's some dramatic thing where the real Madara or whatever is pulling a sort of Voldemort-Quirrel thing with Obito's body, it pretty much spits in the face of the entire idea that Kakashi got his Sharingan from a dying, dear friend. It makes it instead of a heroic moment into some kind of misconstrued moment that will never be seen the same again.

What you guys don't understand is that the "moment" never changed, what changed were the individuals. A hundred things could have happened to Obito after that scene to change him the way he is now. The same old story, people want so much for an person to aways look like the hero they once were, that they will never admit that this same person now changed. And I don't believe the complaint that this is too predictable, if Kishimoto had his mind set about who Tobi should be when he created him, he shouldn't change his mind just because the fans guessed it right.

[James S Cassidy]

Hm I'm not so sure about this... If Obito were dead and had someone else's soul inside of him he wouldn't age. It has to be the real Obito aware of what he's doing because otherwise this chapter would have been a waste of paper. I mean, Kishi goes out of his way to show more of Obito's personality when he was young, that would be pretty useless if it's just his body being controlled by someone else.

Oh and on a side note: Aw, Obito really did help old ladies and that's why he was late.

Yeah, but were they flashbacks or just past memories? Just because we got a glimpse of the past, does not mean that it is what Tobi is thinking at the moment. Usually, if it was a flashback we get words/thoughts accompanying it. Heck, every flashback had the people remembering say something at the time AND it begins and ends with a panel that is faded and/or a partial in the panel.

This did neither. It was very different than how Kishi would draw it. This was showing moments in obito's past and how he was as a person. They were not flashbacks because they didn't belong to any of them nor were there any words to it. If they were flashbacks, they mostly likely belonged to Kakashi, not Tobi.

No, this seemed more like a big reveal of showing what Obito truly was. I have a funny feeling that Kakashi would be like "You may look like Obito, but you're not him. Obito was never this cruel." I will hold down my belief that this is only Obito's body, not soul.

No, I believe Madara is pulling the strings in some form because not only did ET Madara know of Tobi, but knew him before he died. Which mean he must have been alive, if but barely, around the same time Obito was alive. We also have the age inconsistency and time frame that everyone has pointed out with the knowledge that Tobi knows of that Obito would have never known.

He wouldn't age? Reminds me of Orochimaru and how he transfers souls into other bodies seeming to live forever. He was searching for the ability to create immortality and at one point Orochimaru was an Akatsuki. It is quite possible Tobi held onto some of Orochimaru's
research and used it. Maybe even expand on it. Also, with all the genetic enhancements that people seems to have made in this ninja world. Reviving a body and implanting a soul seems to be a peace of cake. We know it is not an ET because if he was, then his body would do that flaking thing (clothes included) if this happened. Also, because he has freewill which ETs don't have unless they can summon themselves, which from what we saw Tobi didn't now how to use such a technique.

I have to agree with others and say that Obito doing all this because he couldn't get Rin to love him is such a terrible writing plot. No, there is something more to it. Something much more.

[Sora no Kitsune]

Yeah, but were they flashbacks or just past memories? Just because we got a glimpse of the past, does not mean that it is what Tobi is thinking at the moment. Usually, if it was a flashback we get words/thoughts accompanying it. Heck, every flashback had the people remembering say something at the time AND it begins and ends with a panel that is faded and/or a partial in the panel.

This did neither. It was very different than how Kishi would draw it. This was showing moments in obito's past and how he was as a person. They were not flashbacks because they didn't belong to any of them nor were there any words to it. If they were flashbacks, they mostly likely belonged to Kakashi, not Tobi.

No, this seemed more like a big reveal of showing what Obito truly was. I have a funny feeling that Kakashi would be like "You may look like Obito, but you're not him. Obito was never this cruel." I will hold down my belief that this is only Obito's body, not soul.

No, I believe Madara is pulling the strings in some form because not only did ET Madara know of Tobi, but knew him before he died. Which mean he must have been alive, if but barely, around the same time Obito was alive. We also have the age inconsistency and time frame that everyone has pointed out with the knowledge that Tobi knows of that Obito would have never known.

He wouldn't age? Reminds me of Orochimaru and how he transfers souls into other bodies seeming to live forever. He was searching for the ability to create immortality and at one point Orochimaru was an Akatsuki. It is quite possible Tobi held onto some of Orochimaru's
research and used it. Maybe even expand on it. Also, with all the genetic enhancements that people seems to have made in this ninja world. Reviving a body and implanting a soul seems to be a peace of cake. We know it is not an ET because if he was, then his body would do that flaking thing (clothes included) if this happened. Also, because he has freewill which ETs don't have unless they can summon themselves, which from what we saw Tobi didn't now how to use such a technique.

I have to agree with others and say that Obito doing all this because he couldn't get Rin to love him is such a terrible writing plot. No, there is something more to it. Something much more.

While these are all good point, Kishi would have a LOT of explaining to di if Obito was taken over in a similar fashion to Orochimaru, seeing as how Tobito has been around atleast since before Naruto was born, which was 15-16 years before. Unless it's a perfected version or some other variation of the technique, There has to be another explanation for how Obito is simply another souls vessel.

[RedDelicious]

So the Tobi=Obito theory has turned out to be true after all. Either Kishimoto is really predictable or the Naruto fanbase is EXTREMELY GOOD at picking up hints...

People have pointed out that there are problems with the story time line.
While a lot of people may have come up with the right guess about the identity, unless someone comes up with the correct way for the puzzle to fit together, I don't think full credit should be given.

Someone else mentioned Batman... maybe there is a League of Tobis.
Obito is just the latest in a line of Tobis.
That would sidestep how Obito was around to do things in the distant past, or know so much about Madara's history.
(It still wouldn't explain why Obito decided to become Tobi, but hopefully we find out in a week.)

[Fyuria'sLeo]

I...like want to hug Rin because she looked a bit like Sakura and Obito was like Naruto and Kakashi oh god the feels!

[redragon88]

I think Tobi is an entity of whatever that has the power to corrupt the minds of people so they can share his point of view.

The entity of Tobi probably spent some time influencing Obito by showing him the harsh reality of the Shinobi world which culminated in Rin's death. Then the entity would convince Obito that if they don't do something about it that cycle of despair would continue forever.

I'm sure Obito wouldn't be convinced just by talking so I'm sure the entity of Tobi also used an actually power to affect his mind. Showing Obito the pain of the world probably simply served to amplify the influence in which Tobi can use his power to corrupt Obito.

Obito knowing that Rin died was probably the final push he needed to be corrupted but I'm sure that before hand the entity of Tobi showed him many other instances as to why the Shinobi world is only of despair.

For any of you that know Fairy Tail you could say that it would be something similar as to what happened to Jellal in the Tower of Paradise.

As for the timeline issues how about this: Before using Obito as a vessel Tobi had previous hosts. So all of the events that occurred before Obito's supposed death in which Tobi was involved where done in a different body. And when Tobi has no more use for a body he casts it aside to go to a different one.

As to why Tobi was an adult when he thought Minato, that was probably his previous body before taking control of Obito. And the reason for him having Obito's sharingan is because he took it out of Obito and put it in that other body. Then when Tobi was ready to take control of Obito he put it back in the original owner.

Tobi probably rescued Obito from the rock collapse and kept him captured until he was able to completely corrupt Obito's mind.

[K9ofChaos]

People have pointed out that there are problems with the story time line.
While a lot of people may have come up with the right guess about the identity, unless someone comes up with the correct way for the puzzle to fit together, I don't think full credit should be given.

Someone else mentioned Batman... maybe there is a League of Tobis.
Obito is just the latest in a line of Tobis.
That would sidestep how Obito was around to do things in the distant past, or know so much about Madara's history.
(It still wouldn't explain why Obito decided to become Tobi, but hopefully we find out in a week.)

Well of course there are some problems with the whole Tobi=Obito thing, like how did Obito grow to adult size when Kakashi and Guy were still around their teenage years? Or how did Tobi operate in the past before Obito was even born? These we're the things I pointed out but are not the only problems there. My point was that the fanbase did turn out to be right about the identity of Tobi, they just don't know the how and why. That's Kishi's job. I'm assuming that most people who were strong advocates of this theory we're just focusing more on the identity aspect of Tobi but will leave Kishi to fill in the details about how Obito became Tobi in a way that will hopefully make perfect sense once all the back story is out in the open. If my memory is correct, I remember a lot of people not understanding how Kushina could have possibly been Kurama's Jinchuriki until everything was explained and then I guess everyone just came to terms with it after that, assuming most people were satisfied with an explanation.



I do like your idea about Tobi being a Legacy Character like Batman's sidekick Robin, with Obito being the latest person to carry the mantle of Tobi. It is indeed a very interesting theory.

[FoolishYoungling]

Wait.... so Obito killed Minato and Kushina????

[RedDelicious]

I'm waiting for the fan art versions of the last page, showing "alternate endings" for this chapter.

After a chapter showing Obito's life, we come back to the present to see Tobi's face...
"OMG, it's..."
- Jiraiya! (He faked his own death. And it explains how he was able to get intel on Akatsuki.)
- Sakura's dad! (Now we know why she never talks about her parents.)
- Konohamuru! (Preferably his pre-teen head on an adults body.)
- Iruka! (He always seemed *too* nice.)
- the ramen shop owner! (The ninjas have driven away his usual customers, which makes him want to end the ninja society.)
- one of Naruto's sexy-no-jutsu clones, who never reintegrated! (Because... I'm running out of alternatives. )

[sardns]

Kishi, you got some serious 'splainin' to do!

[Smiter]

Wow, so much to read through! I want to comment on so many things I've read in this thread, but I have to go to work in a few minutes. DX I have so little spare time in my workday... ah well.

Obito came as no surprise, and I'm going to wait and see what explanation Kishi comes up with for all the things "Tobi" has done in the past. Personally, I think there was more than one Tobi, with the other possibly being Madara himself. I believe that he IS Obito Uchiha, and we just need to see how he was revived and what happened to make him like he is now.

I loved the flashbacks centered on Obito and Rin, they were really emotional. The absence of any dialogue definitely made the scenes all the more powerful! I'm definitely dreading the moment we find out what happened to Rin...

*sighs* Time to go to work, I really wish I could stay on here and talk with you guys about this chapter all night!

[manny123]

So sad to see people with good intentions and big dreams to get crushed and return as "villains" since all they received was pain.(even though it's a anime)

[Toasty Warrior]

I think these gifs are appropriate for the situation at hand:

Edited by Toasty Warrior, 29 August 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[Derock]

I think these gifs are appropriate for the situation at hand:

Yep. Even our main characters from two separate shows of the series are in a state of shock about this!

[merryGOflava]

well it was so obvious no one suspected it!! XD lol

but no...really it wasnt that much of a surpirse XD thought it kinda was a surpirse......in its own way.....XD

any who...the question is WHY!!! WHY obito!!! WHY!!

is it because you were friend zoned?
it it because you died young?
or maybe you now hate war and want peace because of your "death"
or or maybe.....rin died! and you grew upset!?

............or all of the above? XD

[Fyuria'sLeo]

[Sakura Blossoms]

So sad to see people with good intentions and big dreams to get crushed and return as "villains" since all they received was pain.(even though it's a anime)

Yup. ^This

[Gravenimage]

Can't wait for next week the big 600.

[merryGOflava]

So sad to see people with good intentions and big dreams to get crushed and return as "villains" since all they received was pain.(even though it's a anime)

well obito (can we call him obito now?) doesnt think hes a villain......he thinks hes doing something for the good of everyone....

since he died because of a war....maybe he thinks that war only brings death......so now hes trying to make sure no one dies becuase of villages problems and so on, by controlling everyone into peace......

his problem is......is that hes thinking of the long term solution only...which is making him into a bad guy...because hes making to many sacrifices..and causing his own war....and of course his ideal is selfish.

but pain changes people.....sometimes it changes them for the better (like naruto and kakashi) and sometimes it changes them for the worse....(sasuke and obito)

but pain isnt something small that should be over-looked.....

maybe pain isnt the only thing driving obito....it may also be regret, regret to do the things he wished to do before he died...which is causing him to act this way. he doesnt want this to happen to anyone else.....thus is plan.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Leo why would you do that?! DX