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[rikakim94]

Naruto recalling Hinata saving him in the pain arc was shown twice. 1. was before Naruto learned to control the kyubbi he had a flashback of Hinata getting hurt while trying to save Naruto. 2. was this chapter were he has a one panel flashback of Hinata jumping in to save Naruto. But heres the thing why wont Naruto mention about the confession? Isnt this suppose to be the actual romance for Naruhina that Naruto is not bringing it up? Something about this tells me that Naruhina is still being shown romance wise in a one sided view.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Naruto recalling Hinata saving him in the pain arc was shown twice. 1. was before Naruto learned to control the kyubbi he had a flashback of Hinata getting hurt while trying to save Naruto. 2. was this chapter were he has a one panel flashback of Hinata jumping in to save Naruto. But heres the thing why wont Naruto mention about the confession? Isnt this suppose to be the actual romance for Naruhina that Naruto is not bringing it up? Something about this tells me that Naruhina is still being shown romance wise in a one sided view.

Ugh, thanks for reminding me. The NaruHina thing's also grinded to a halt even with this chapter. Naruto either forgot or don't want to recall when Hinata says "I love you..." or whatever she said. Kishi's refusal (or also forgetting) to pick that thread up has also grinded that pairing up. Still, picking up a romantic subplot in the middle of a war is really counterproductive....

[ciardha]

If this is a NH moment, then Naruto saying "Hi" to Gaara is a NaruGaara moment. That's all I got to say.

Exactly, it was so generic Naruto to render it completely neutral.

Meanwhile, NaruSaku had at least 3-5 moments since.

With actual conversations and actions about romantic feelings about each other as well. There's always a current of their close mutual bond in any of their interactions- even in part 1, but strongly so from the moment they first saw each other again in 245. Hinata is just another friend, one that needed a self-esteem boost right then.

[Gravenimage]

Interesting. Let me ask you a question. Lets flip the situation and say that Naruto fondly recalled Sakura coming to meet him in chapter 469. Lets say that instead of Hinata, Sakura is the one Naruto is cheering up. How would you interpret that? Be honest.

Kenny you're forgetting that Naruto has always love Sakura since ch 3 that hasn't change and Kishi has shown it over and over. Naruto was just cheering her up to make her feel better, he was encouraging her like any other friend would.

[CloverChan]

Interesting. Let me ask you a question. Lets flip the situation and say that Naruto fondly recalled Sakura coming to meet him in chapter 469. Lets say that instead of Hinata, Sakura is the one Naruto is cheering up. How would you interpret that? Be honest.

Like Naruto is cheering up Sakura, nothing else. It would be a nice moment, but it wont make NS canon (Naruto already cheered up Sakura and they still only friends) as it doesnt make NH canon. Moments like this are like bricks. You cant build a house with just one or two bricks, you need more. NaruHina only have two or tree.. but NS has a lot of them.That's the difference.

Anyways, Naruto and Sakura relation have nothing in common with Naruto and Hinata relation.

* Naruto and Sakura are closer friends.
* Naruto and Hinata rarely talks

* Naruto likes Sakura and Sakura show many hints of feel the same
* Hinata likes Naruto, but the blonde never show anything to think he likes the Hyuuga girl.

* Naruto and Sakura has to resolve many things between them yet.
* Between Naruto and Hinata, nothing left. They already talked all they needed to talk.

Edited by CloverChan, 12 October 2011 - 11:33 PM.

[Kenny-kun]

I know this isn't the type of answer you're looking for, but I doubt that Naruto would "fondly" remember that utter mess (at this point in time, anyways).
It would also depend on the type of thing that Naruto would be cheering up Sakura for and how he'd be doing it.

So you don't think Sakura's confession was legitimate?

Same thing. Naruto cheering up Sakura. Unless Naruto's blushing or Sakura blushes after, or it depends on what they're thinking at the time, it doesn't have to be romantic. It can be a "D'awww NaruSaku moment," true, but really, there are a lot of times that Sakura's self-confidence drops because she can't be as strong as Naruto or Sasuke. Naruto has a big heart, and every one of his friends acknowledges the affect his confidence has on people.... At least, I think they do.

No doubt Naruto cheering up Sakura, but you wouldn't be the least bit skeptical as to why he chose to recall a moment which included her "confessing" her love for him?

In fact, if, in your hypothetical situation, Naruto added a "Still lying to yourself yet?" or something to that effect, and Sakura responds, what her response is determines whether or not it's a definite "NaruSaku" moment.

Absolutely, but if Naruto is suddenly thinking fondly of it, I'd say we could reasonably conclude that he either rescinds the bit about "still lying to yourself" or that simply isn't what he is fond of.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that Naruto and Hinata were in this scene together, the author is fully aware that many fans want the two to be together and the author chose to have Naruto fondly recall a moment where Hinata not only acted heroically, but confessed her love for Naruto in the process. This certainly isn't proof of NaruHina, but surely you see how easy it is to interpret the scene as a moment, to a lesser extent, romantic.

Kenny you're forgetting that Naruto has always love Sakura since ch 3 that hasn't change and Kishi has shown it over and over. Naruto was just cheering her up to make her feel better, he was encouraging her like any other friend would.

Well the verdict is still up in the air on that one. Although Naruto is probably still in love with Sakura, there's no concrete proof of this. There's always the possibility that he "fell in love" with Hinata, post conversation with Sai.

And in my hypo, yeah naruto is cheering Sakura up, but the crux of the matter is him fondly recalling the scene which included the confession.

Like Naruto is cheering up Sakura, nothing else. It would be a nice moment, but it wont make NS canon (Naruto already cheered up Sakura and they still only friends) as it doesnt make NH canon. Moments like this are like bricks. You cant build a house with just one or two bricks, you need more. NaruHina only have two or tree.. but NS has a lot of them.That's the difference.

Anyways, Naruto and Sakura relation have nothing in common with Naruto and Hinata relation.

* Naruto and Sakura are closer friends.
* Naruto and Hinata rarely talks

* Naruto likes Sakura and Sakura show many hints of feel the same
* Hinata likes Naruto, but the blonde never show anything to think he likes the Hyuuga girl.

* Naruto and Sakura has to resolve many things between them yet.
* Between Naruto and Hinata, nothing left. They already talked all they needed to talk.

No, it wouldn't make NaruSaku canon, but I think it'd be considered amongst us a moment in favor of NaruSaku. I agree, moments are just bricks. They don't build the house. If the house is to be built, it won't be built until the end, albeit in a very dissatisfying manner (see the Kekkaishi manga ending!)

Edited by Kenny-kun, 12 October 2011 - 11:47 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Kenny you're forgetting that Naruto has always love Sakura since ch 3 that hasn't change and Kishi has shown it over and over. Naruto was just cheering her up to make her feel better, he was encouraging her like any other friend would.

Truth be told, Naruto is great in cheering people up, then again, Sasuke doesn't much care for it when Naruto trys it on him...

[Toasty Warrior]

Way to start kicking around the hornet's nest again Kenny...

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Way to start kicking around the hornet's nest again Kenny...

-facepalm- here we go again.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

So you don't think Sakura's confession was legitimate?

I don't think it's legitimate. She may have SOME feelings for Naruto, and it's growing, but the way she was acting, she definitely was lying to Naruto and to herself.


Chill guys, we gotta have a devil's advocate sometime. I'm just too scared about getting in trouble to do it.

[Phantom_999]

Everyone is saying Obito is the Tobi guy!

BUT THEN HOW did he have a left eye or even a LEFT SIDE of his face? that's the question of the century if it's true

So you don't think Sakura's confession was legitimate?
No doubt Naruto cheering up Sakura, but you wouldn't be the least bit skeptical as to why he chose to recall a moment which included her "confessing" her love for him?


Absolutely, but if Naruto is suddenly thinking fondly of it, I'd say we could reasonably conclude that he either rescinds the bit about "still lying to yourself" or that simply isn't what he is fond of.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that Naruto and Hinata were in this scene together, the author is fully aware that many fans want the two to be together and the author chose to have Naruto fondly recall a moment where Hinata not only acted heroically, but confessed her love for Naruto in the process. This certainly isn't proof of NaruHina, but surely you see how easy it is to interpret the scene as a moment, to a lesser extent, romantic.

Her confession I believe is true, only that she's lying about not caring about Sasuke anymore THAT ruined the moment if she didn't say that, Naruto wouldn't have acted so negatively And FYI he DIDN'T recall Hinata's confession, He remembered she rushed to his rescue against Diva path a.k.a Yahiko's body you DON't see Hinata's
"BECAUSE I LOVE YOU" flashback do you? Naruto was just reassuring her she wasn't useless because she was feeling that way

Edited by Phantom_999, 12 October 2011 - 11:47 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

I don't think it's legitimate. She may have SOME feelings for Naruto, and it's growing, but the way she was acting, she definitely was lying to Naruto and to herself.


Chill guys, we gotta have a devil's advocate sometime. I'm just too scared about getting in trouble to do it.

I think it wasn't a lie, that part didn't need to be said when she came to tell him about everyone agreeing to kill Sasuke, Sai explained that much to naruto, as for her caring for Sasuke still, of course she does, let her grow some more in the manga, (maybe) those feelings will leave.

[Kenny-kun]

I responded to a bunch of posts via edits in one post. See my previous posts!

Way to start kicking around the hornet's nest again Kenny...

I admitted I was trolling back then. Should have been clear, given my reference to "filler" and my efforts to look as foolish as possible.

This time, however, these are my actual thoughts. I don't like NaruHina and like NaruSaku, but acknowledge that there are moments for both and don't feel that there shall be any resolution at the end of the manga. Hence, I'm concerned about those who daily get their hopes up, believing that Kishi is actually going to sit down and have a full blown chapter devoted to romance. That's not gonna happen . . . ever.

I don't think it's legitimate. She may have SOME feelings for Naruto, and it's growing, but the way she was acting, she definitely was lying to Naruto and to herself.

Personally, I think it can be argued either way. Unlike the issue of Sakura still loving Sasuke, it's remained pretty vague as to whether Sakura meant what she said when she was talking to Naruto. No one comes right out and says the confession was a ruse. They say Sakura wanted Naruto to come back to the village with her, but that's beating around the bush. Not to mention she is perfectly capable of being in love with two people. Someone mentioned Inuyasha earlier and that manga is an excellent example of this sort of dilemna.

Kishimoto confirmed that it was legitimate;

When? I know what interview you're referring to, but don't recall it being so direct.

If Naruto reflected on a good moment with Sakura, it'd probably be something else. Not a flashback of her telling him what he thinks to be a lie.

Alright, we lets see he is reflecting on the hug Sakura gave him or that time she was about to feed him.

Edited by Kenny-kun, 13 October 2011 - 12:07 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

So you don't think Sakura's confession was legitimate?

Kishimoto confirmed that it was legitimate; it's just that Naruto doesn't know that it was. Not to mention his reaction to it all ("people lying to themselves"), which at this point in time doesn't seem to have changed. He doesn't know that she was telling the truth; hell, most of the Naruto fanbase didn't believe it (including me).
If Naruto reflected on a good moment with Sakura, it'd probably be something else. Not a flashback of her telling him what he thinks to be a lie.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I responded to a bunch of posts via edits in one post. See my previous posts!

I admitted I was trolling back then. Should have been clear, given my reference to "filler" and my efforts to look as foolish as possible.

This time, however, these are my actual thoughts. I don't like NaruHina and like NaruSaku, but acknowledge that there are moments for both and don't feel that there shall be any resolution at the end of the manga. Hence, I'm concerned about those who daily get their hopes up, believing that Kishi is actually going to sit down and have a full blown chapter devoted to romance. That's not gonna happen . . . ever.

Personally, I think it can be argued either way. Unlike the issue of Sakura still loving Sasuke, it's remained pretty vague as to whether Sakura meant what she said when she was talking to Naruto. No one comes right out and says the confession was a ruse. They say Sakura wanted Naruto to come back to the village with her, but that's beating around the bush. Not to mention she is perfectly capable of being in love with two people. Someone mentioned Inuyasha earlier and that manga is an excellent example of this sort of dilemna.

When? I know what interview you're referring to, but don't recall it being so direct.

I mentioned Inuyasha, actually.

To be clear, what I think the lie is that she loves him. I'm confident that she has feelings for him, but love? No, not yet. Their relationship is still firmly best friends bordering on romance. She still feels conflicted with Sasuke, and as long as she has that, she's still unsure of what her feelings are towards Naruto.

@zac, and what did Kishi confirm specifically? Sakura's 'confession' is so conflicted, she herself was so conflicted during that entire arc that I doubt a lot of things she says during that confession. But her goal is clear:

A) She wants to stop hurting Naruto because of her promise. B) Stop Sasuke from hurting Naruto.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

I mentioned Inuyasha, actually.

To be clear, what I think the lie is that she loves him. I'm confident that she has feelings for him, but love? No, not yet. Their relationship is still firmly best friends bordering on romance. She still feels conflicted with Sasuke, and as long as she has that, she's still unsure of what her feelings are towards Naruto.

@zac, and what did Kishi confirm specifically? Sakura's 'confession' is so conflicted, she herself was so conflicted during that entire arc that I doubt a lot of things she says during that confession. But her goal is clear:

A) She wants to stop hurting Naruto because of her promise. B) Stop Sasuke from hurting Naruto.

What im confused about is if she wanted to stop hurting Naruto then why tell him a huge lie of being in love with him/Killing Sasuke? Im telling you if someone did that to me that would be a major blow to my emotions.

[CloudMountainJuror]

@zac, and what did Kishi confirm specifically? Sakura's 'confession' is so conflicted, she herself was so conflicted during that entire arc that I doubt a lot of things she says during that confession. But her goal is clear:

A) She wants to stop hurting Naruto because of her promise. B) Stop Sasuke from hurting Naruto.

That he was trying to portray an honest girl when he wrote that scene.

[Gravenimage]

What im confused about is if she wanted to stop hurting Naruto then why tell him a huge lie of being in love with him/Killing Sasuke? Im telling you if someone did that to me that would be a major blow to my emotions.

Unless if she was telling him the truth in loving him but back then Naruto still saw her as the 12 year old fan girl who is in love with Sasuke no matter what. Until Sai confirmed that she loves him and chose to kill Sasuke herself, when the image in his head of team seven shattered that's when he finally understood that Sakura isn't the same Sasuke obsessed fan girl he thought she was.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

That he was trying to portray an honest girl when he wrote that scene.

Then he did it badly. It was obvious she was still conflicted. What was honest is that she didn't want Naruto to get hurt anymore. Other than that, it seemed like she was trying to convince herself as much as she was trying to convince Naruto.

That goes for your question too, Fyuria. Sakura was so conflicted and confused that it seemed like she was trying to convince herself and Naruto. She didn't know how to deal with it. She still feels some romantic feelings towards Sasuke and she feels...something towards Naruto, but she doesn't know who to choose. But what she does know is she doesn't want Naruto to get hurt anymore, by her or Sasuke.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 13 October 2011 - 12:21 AM.

[naruto-z]

Relax Everyone! This was most definitely a Naruhina moment and I acknowledge that. But just because it's a moment does not at all make it canon or state that Naruto loves Hinata. For me it was the closure that has long been needed and quite honestly required.

Kishimoto needed to reopen up the events that had occurred during the Pein fight and the words that were said. With a war going on and the first time Naruto has had a chance to talk to Hinata, quite honestly, this is closure. Yes, it was still a naruhina moment, but moments don't have to be romantic. They can very well be closure and a close, bonding moment and this was that. A moment that bonded Naruto and Hinata in the sense that it finally had Naruto thanking Hinata and possibly as others have said be the words of strength that Hinata has been searching for her entire life so that now she can move on. Hinata now holds a feeling of being accepted from Naruto.

We all knew this had to have closure and I believe the Narusaku moment will (would) never happen until Hinata's confession had closure, it just wouldn't feel right otherwise for Naruto to completely ignore Hinata while he confesses his love to Sakura. In the case of Hinata, she is of course still very shy to Naruto, but she directly speaks to Naruto about the situation and without and sense of fear of what she says. She apologizes firmly to Naruto and discusses something very sentimental (eyes) without feeling even slightly shy or nervous about it (no there's no blushing, those are meant to be scratches or battlewounds. I honestly don't read into those words as being romantic at all. But it once again....a naruhina moment.

And just saying, when Naruto does respond to Hinata about her eyes and looking strong, he's walking away from her and half looking at her. That is not an open-hearted, sentimental act but a word of encouragement. When Naruto and Sakura confessed, they were both face to face, close and looking straight into each other's eyes. To me, this is absolute closure for Naruhina.

Alright, now that I feel like I cleared about the fandom mess as best as I could...the chapter. Great chapter and big twist! Honestly, I had anticipated this a long time ago, but this was still just as shocking because of everything that has occurred lately. I had let go of that hypothesis simply because of how much Kishi was putting into the Tobi is Madara piece, but it doesn't seem like it anymore . And no, I honestly don't think it's Obito. Yeah, there's a chance if Kishi brings in some crazy theory. But I don't believe so because the Kyuubi invasion arc showed Tobi (or Madara with the exact same mask structure) and Minato AND Kakashi. There, Tobi was at least Minato's size and fairly older and Kakashi was still quite young. I just highly doubt Obito had a giant growth spurt in that time range. I think the Madara soul hypothesis is the most realistic and quite accurate and clever. So good job to Daniee!

And quit whining about how Sakura didn't make an appearance this chapter. This wasn't meant to be a giant clash of fandoms chapter, it was meant for Naruhina alone and the great Madara plotline. Just as we would hate to have Hinata appearing in the middle of a big Narusaku moment, this is theirs. I honestly think we'll get to see more Narusaku next chapter now that Naruhina has had it's turn. But counting on how long it took for Naruhina to get closure for the confession....haha...patience to Narusaku Confession. I don't think it will take hardly as long, but just in case. Keep up the great work Kishi, I absolutely love where the story is right now and how it's being written!

Quick Edit: @Kenny-kun, I respect what you say completely. You make a great point and to be honest, if this had been Sakura instead of Hinata I would have definitely called it a Narusaku moment. But I do disagree in you saying that Narusaku or any pairing for that matter won't happen. I believe strongly in Narusaku for a multitude of reasons that I would rather not have to discuss since everyone here knows them and I also believe Kishimoto will definitely have a final pairing as his writing style declares it so.

Edited by naruto-z, 13 October 2011 - 12:29 AM.