Edited by Phantom_999, 27 June 2011 - 03:14 AM.
Hinata's Popularity and Character Perception
#101
Posted 27 June 2011 - 03:08 AM
#102
Posted 27 June 2011 - 03:44 AM
And of course, boy short hair is confusing, I just prefer her shorter hairstyle though it is a bit longer than before Shippuden which works.
Edited by anguyen92, 27 June 2011 - 03:49 AM.

#103
Posted 27 June 2011 - 04:36 AM
Are you referring to Part 1? If so, it wasn't because of her she acted like "that." she grew it long because of a (likely unsubstantiated) belief that is what Sasuke liked.
#104
Posted 27 June 2011 - 05:09 AM
Well, once again we've gotten off topic, but I think we've talk about what should be talked about in this thread. Does anyone feel, we're running out of new stuff to talk about?
Edited by anguyen92, 27 June 2011 - 05:11 AM.

#105
Guest_Kim_*
Posted 27 June 2011 - 05:11 AM
Yeah, that's why I thinks she won't grow it that long again. Before I loved her long hair, but now I've gotten quite used to it shorter. I like the way it is now, it looks good on her.
I got that feeling a long time ago. With no moments, it's a good thing we find anything to talk about. So I don't mind going a bit off-topic.
Edited by Kim, 27 June 2011 - 05:14 AM.
#106
Posted 27 June 2011 - 06:32 AM
But, back on topic, Sakura's hair looks fine the way it is now. In the beggining (part I) her hair defined the sort of person she was (shallow, selfish, insecure, etc) and now with the shorter hair the same applies, but showing a real development in her character (Stronger, confident, etc).
#107
Posted 27 June 2011 - 02:03 PM
Edited by Phantom_999, 27 June 2011 - 02:06 PM.
#108
Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:13 PM
And that's when she will look exactly the same as Kushina I mean if you look at both of their faces they look exactly the same except for hair and eye color.
#109
Posted 27 June 2011 - 11:40 PM
Edited by Phantom_999, 27 June 2011 - 11:40 PM.
#110
Posted 28 June 2011 - 12:12 PM
And even the hair color is simular. Bright red vs. Pink.
What would be a fitting nickname to Sakura? (keeping in mind Kushina's own nickname)
Killer Cherry or Cherry Killer??!! /lol
#111
Posted 28 June 2011 - 01:10 PM
#112
Posted 28 June 2011 - 01:43 PM
At least, we don't have any fanboyz in this thread talking about how awesome Hinata is without any foundation at all...
#113
Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:25 PM
#114
Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:55 PM
Mhmm i don't think Naruto cares about the length of her hair, Naruto has more than just physical attraction to Sakura. The emotional one is the biggest. He clearly thought Sakura was cute when they were little kids.
Edited by Strangelove, 28 June 2011 - 11:55 PM.
#115
Posted 30 June 2011 - 04:40 AM
At the point of the Chuunin arc, Hinata had appeared as a shy, yet sensitive girl who trully cared for Naruto despite all his flaws, and given the chance, was ready to step in and support him in any way he would need. We must also remember that Naruto (at that point specially) had never known love, neither from mother or father, friends, relatives or anything (Obs. Considering the sacrifice made by both Kushina and Minato, it still stuns me that both Sandaime and Jiraya and Kakashi allowed Naruto to be all alone for his entire childhood). So Hinata presented herself as someone ready to love Naruto, and to make him feel accepted. This situation was touching to those who liked the baka.
On the side, we had Sakura, pretty, popular and totally shallow. She just didn't give a damn about Naruto's feeling, and only recently had began to change her opinion about him. Her feelings for Sasuke were totally biased and unfounded, for she didn't know him at all, apart of the fact that he was a "Uchiha" and "popular". In truth, this is the worst kind of person there is in the world.
At this point is it perfectly understandable why so many people would prefer Hinata over Sakura. I did as well. But as events unfolded, Sakura began to change and realize who naruto really was, and also to draw strenght from his character. For Hinata, she was left in the sidelines. Hinata's backstory had a thousand possibilities, including the entire "clan affair", but that was never developed by Kishi.
As time went by, Sakura changed from a spolied shallow brat to a strong and sensitive girl, really supporting naruto and standing by his sides. Even more, she became his best friend, despite all his shortcomings. Hinata remained the same. So far the only thing Hinata did in part 2 was to jump in front of pain and say "I love you". Some may argue it was a selfish act, other a selfless one. I 'd rather go with the latter,but still it doesn't change the lack of attitude of her part. She had had plenty of time to mature, as most of the characters did, yet, she remained the same.
Regarding the Hinata fanbase/ Sakura bashing, there is one point I didn't see mentioned on this topic. Most ppl say it's because she is shy, motherly ( I think sakura is more motherly, specially considering both Kushina and Shimamaru's mother - his father fears her), tender, submissive, etc, or just because she has 2 torpedos in front of her. However in analogy we could call the "dansel in distress" syndrome.
For some reason, some men feel atracted to woman in danger, not that she ever was in real danger, but she had the whole "need to be rescued" aura around her.
Sakura was the strong character, the one who would impose herself and do what needs to be done - or so she tried. However many men have difficults accepting a strong woman by their side, they feel unmanly, and would rather go for a more submisse girl (Hinata in this case). It seems we (men) have deep issues accepting help from women.
Now, as the story stands Sakura made a real effort to get closer to Naruto, even if not a romantic way, at least in a caring and tender manner. I recently read a manifesto talking about Sakura's development and I find myself agreeing with most of it. The character she is now has nothing to do with the one she was in the beggining of part I.
Besides all this, we still have the entire past generation/new generation theme to discuss. It is hardly a coincidence that Jiraya became Naruto's sensei (as he was Minato's) , as Tsunade became Sakura's and Orochimaru Sasuke's. At this point history (in the manga) is repeating itself all over again, but I believe it will turn out differently if only to show the new generation has learned something from the old one.
It is hardly a shock to realize that Naruto is a Jirays 2.0 (not as perverted though), and the same goes for the others. Yet Sakura witnessed how distressed Tsunade became after knowing of Jirays death, and i believe that Sakura perceived how much her sensei loved the Ero-sennin, even if she had never acknowledged the fact herself. In a way, this opened the possibility to allow Sakura to actually admit the possibility of loving Naruto without knowing it, also how lonely her life will be if she insists in the same mistakes of Tsunade.
Another comparison we can make without fear of wronging ourselves is between Naruto and Minato. Since part I many characters talk about how much Naruto reminds them of the Yondaime, and not only in appearance, but also on attitude. I believe there is an interesting theory that could apply here about why Naruto is so dense - every other child, even Sasuke, had parental support as they were growing up, and those in shiobi families were trained and taught since the youngest age. Naruto never had anyone to rely on, and was always left to his own design, never had anyone to impress, or to guide him, therefore, never saw the need to apply himself in the studies; all he cared was to become strong (not knowing the relation between strenght and knowledge)
Back to the comparison, we have Kushinga, who had a very strong character, attitude, not to mention her strenght and abilities. This somehow reminds me of Sakura (lol), who shows similar traits. Also Kushina's first impression of Minato were far from civil, such as were Sakura's first impression of Naruto.
I will not bet anything, since it all depends on the will of Kishi, however, it is my belief that he is rewriting the old generation history anew with naruto and the others. Maybe he wants to show how the new generation has surpassed the old one, as is commonly said that Naruto has surpassed both Jirays and Minato. If this turns to be true, it is clear that Naruto and Sakura will end up together.
My only fear regarding this pairing is that Sakura just doesn't "settle" for Naruto due to the lack of Sasuke. That would be terribly wrong, and an undeserving end for the history.
For Hinata, I believe that Kishi has taken a different turn. The scene where she is fighting alongside Neji raised some suspitions in my mind, and I believe somehow they will end up together (cousins can properly marry, right?). For one side she is the Hime, and heir of the Hyuga family, for the other, Neji is the most gifted Hyaga in history (not sure, but one of the most at least). It would also be a way to break the main family, support family curse, by marrying the heir to the main family with one who was "branded". Can't say it will happen, but it would surely make a nice development for the situation.
Again, just my 2 cents...
I can understand that early on, maybe people could like Hinata because she was being introduced, and there was still room in the story to add development. I am just appalled that preferences and assumptions can be made simply based on personality and not what characters actually do. Part 1, Hinata was indeed the shy, timid girl who was in love with Naruto. The Chuunin Exams, as we all know, was probably the point where she had the biggest focus and interaction with Naruto up until her confession. However, when you say that Sakura "did not give a damn" about Naruto, it makes me wonder. I often think that Hinata really doesn't give a damn about Neji, Hanabi, or anyone, because she hasn't done anything for them. Doesn't that make her the one who is shallow? She only really loves Naruto, but I haven't seen her kind to anyone else. She's content to love a boy and not do anything about her situation. Sakura, before the Chuunin exams, at least thought about Naruto. She was the fangirl with a crush, yes, but does that mean she completely disregarded Naruto? By the time she came to Chuunin exams, she was willing to forfeit her team because she didn't want Naruto's dream to die. Is that not giving a damn about someone? Yet, because she shows that she's ttly in love with Sasuke, and that she can be angry and have shallow moments, the times when she does do something caring is glossed over in the fandom. Sakura's popular character interpretation is that she's one big angry b*tch who's popular, shallow, and only thinks about Sasuke. If she was thinking about Sasuke, would she be willing to make him upset by forfeiting their chance at being Chuunin?
The fact that Hinata doesn't do anything to help her cousin out, however, is not seen as anything of consequence, because she is shy and loves Naruto. Naruto needed friends. Hinata didn't tell him that she liked him, couldn't because she was too shy. Isn't that selfish? She was putting her own feelings of inadequecy before someone who she supposedly knows has suffered from having nobody love him. Hinata I find to be a sneaky character. Her personality reminds us of other shy characters, and we assume that she's kind and helpful because shy people can't be bad people, right? 12 year old girls in love however, can't do ANYTHING right, isn't that right Sakura? This is facsinating and kind of disturbing at the same time.
I don't think it takes that much analysis or deep thinking to see who has done more and cared more for Naruto. I didn't think it would take that much effort to try and point out to people that everytime Hinata shows up, her only focus is on Naruto. Yet, I realize we're fixated on things that I really think shouldn't matter. What have we brought up? Big boobs, damsels in distress, character archetypes, whether she is pretty or not... Sometimes, when I feel like we are explaining why we or people like Hinata, we're not even talking about the character herself. We're just talking about things that might be like her. What does that say about us, as readers, that we are focused on these things rather than the action and dialogue of the character? Do we think of a character as unique, or are our opinions formed and set because it reminds us of something else? Heck, you guys went into a discussion about J.K Rowlings characters when they don't have anything to do with Hinata. We bring up the pairing, but this isn't a pairing debate.
Who is Hinata? Is she a creation of the fandom, or of the creator? Am I wrong in thinking she's uncaring? Is there depth to her personality? Do you think it is good storytelling how recently, she's been made out to be A-OK with Neji? Do you personally believe that they have a close relationship? What is her relationship with her teammates? With other characters? Can you think of other minor characters who have shown more interaction with other characters? Why the heck is Sakura's hair length even relevant?
Oh my gosh XD
Edited by Broken Figurine, 30 June 2011 - 04:42 AM.
#116
Posted 30 June 2011 - 05:27 AM
As for her relation with her family and teamates, well the thing is that actually is that we don't know or don't have enough information to make a very suffice speculation. I would like to say that well there may not be any bad blood between anybody, maybe against Neji, and her family. As for her character, well she's basically on par with Lee, that there's somewhat of a development in character but not too much to be important, but fills up the cast slots and is not actually relevant to the actual story, a background character like it has been speculated, yet most people who watches the show or read the managa treat her like a main character, on par with Naruto, Sakura, and that other dude. The question is how is she relevant to the main plot in a way that does not treat her as a background character? (I have an answer to that one, but I just want to hear it other people's thoughts on it.)
Also, I would like to apologize for somewhat derailing the thread and getting off topic for a good amount of posts.
Edited by anguyen92, 30 June 2011 - 05:36 AM.

#117
Posted 30 June 2011 - 07:01 AM
No. Sakura wasn't "popular" or seen as "pretty" by anyone but Naruto. Sakura was tormented by the other girls in the Academy until Ino stopped that. She still was seen as inferior and knew she was unattractive- the big forehead- Ino's nickname was a constant unpleasant reminder of that, she bemoans her slow start on puberty too -not important later on- once puberty makes it changes, but to a 12 year old girl who still has mostly a child's body, while her former best friend now rival, Ino was already starting to look like a young woman, it's another blow to her self-esteem, making her feel like she's still inferior to Ino. Sakura's social class in the ninja world is at the lower end too, and we can see the other girls are still judging her by this even on the day they graduate from the Academy- "Who does she think she is?!"
Sakura fangirls over Sasuke, but even as early as chapter 5 we see that's not all there is to her character. And contrary to your opinion, we see even then Sakura does care about Naruto's safety- even to the point of believing she was endangering her own life, without a moment's hesitation she attempts to distract Kakashi to in an act she believes will save Naruto's life. And even Naruto's feelings she's not insensitive too- she's upset at Kakashi's bullying of Naruto in the same chapter, and disgusted at his "Thousand Years of Pain" done to Naruto. More than once she blushes at Naruto's heroic words and actions during the first bell test....
When Naruto freezes in fear when they face the mercenaries, and gets hurt, Sakura is very empathic and states that they should head back to Konoha because this mission is way beyond their level and Naruto needs his wound to be treated. Then when Zabuza first attacks Sakura doesn't think about anyone but Naruto- again with no hesitation or thoughts of her own self-preservation or Sasuke's for that matter, she endangers her own life to save Naruto by throwing herself directly on top of him (much to a fiercely blushing Naruto's delight!) She doesn't go all stereotypically tsundere afterward either about it.
After an unseen mission we see Sakura is the one supporting an injured Naruto as they arrive back in Konoha- gently chiding him for "overdoing it".
Then in the Chunin exams we see her sensitive to the hidden fear she senses in Naruto as they see all the hardened ninjas there to take the written part of the Chunnin exams, and then during the test itself she makes the choice to forfeit the exams- just to make sure Naruto's dream of becoming Hokage stays alive. She doesn't think of how Sasuke might react to this at all, doesn't think of any consequences for herself either, it's only Naruto's feelings and goals she thinks of.
Broken Figurine made the points about Hinata in comparison already, so I don't need to repeat that.
When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono
Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009
#118
Posted 30 June 2011 - 11:40 AM
Sakura fangirls over Sasuke, but even as early as chapter 5 we see that's not all there is to her character. And contrary to your opinion, we see even then Sakura does care about Naruto's safety- even to the point of believing she was endangering her own life, without a moment's hesitation she attempts to distract Kakashi to in an act she believes will save Naruto's life. And even Naruto's feelings she's not insensitive too- she's upset at Kakashi's bullying of Naruto in the same chapter, and disgusted at his "Thousand Years of Pain" done to Naruto. More than once she blushes at Naruto's heroic words and actions during the first bell test....
When Naruto freezes in fear when they face the mercenaries, and gets hurt, Sakura is very empathic and states that they should head back to Konoha because this mission is way beyond their level and Naruto needs his wound to be treated. Then when Zabuza first attacks Sakura doesn't think about anyone but Naruto- again with no hesitation or thoughts of her own self-preservation or Sasuke's for that matter, she endangers her own life to save Naruto by throwing herself directly on top of him (much to a fiercely blushing Naruto's delight!) She doesn't go all stereotypically tsundere afterward either about it.
After an unseen mission we see Sakura is the one supporting an injured Naruto as they arrive back in Konoha- gently chiding him for "overdoing it".
Then in the Chunin exams we see her sensitive to the hidden fear she senses in Naruto as they see all the hardened ninjas there to take the written part of the Chunnin exams, and then during the test itself she makes the choice to forfeit the exams- just to make sure Naruto's dream of becoming Hokage stays alive. She doesn't think of how Sasuke might react to this at all, doesn't think of any consequences for herself either, it's only Naruto's feelings and goals she thinks of.
Broken Figurine made the points about Hinata in comparison already, so I don't need to repeat that.
Yes, she was tormented by other girls. That happened when she was about the age of 6 or 7. I was talking 13, at the end of the Academy. Besides, I am not saying what was true or not, but only what was shown to us at the moment. For the Kakashi comment, is not that she is insensitive, she just didn't care enough about Naruto. As Kakashi himself said, she spent all the time thinking about a far way Sasuke and forgot to help Naruto that was close by. For the other comments I will not address them simply because I view them the same way, however that was Kishi showing Sakura's growth as a person, how much she changed and how she changed. I do like the Sakura character and I did/do like the Hinata a lot too. I only wish Hinata had a bit more development, as many other characters did (not necessarily getting together with Naruto).
#119
Posted 30 June 2011 - 02:29 PM
Who is Hinata? Is she a creation of the fandom, or of the creator? Am I wrong in thinking she's uncaring? Is there depth to her personality? Do you think it is good storytelling how recently, she's been made out to be A-OK with Neji? Do you personally believe that they have a close relationship? What is her relationship with her teammates? With other characters? Can you think of other minor characters who have shown more interaction with other characters? Why the heck is Sakura's hair length even relevant?
Oh my gosh XD
hmmm... I can understand it's frustrating, but I think there have been a lot of good comments in this thread so far.
Hinata's greatest strength is her sympathy. It blinds you to her flaws. She is written absolutly and completely as a sympathetic character. You are supposed to feel sorry for her. You are supposed to root for her. And that's it. She is the embodiment of the people he will change in the village. They won't radically become a new person, they will just live a happier life.
Sakura however has had a very significant character change. She has developed into a mature, strong young woman.
Hinata has only developed. *snicker, snicker*
HOWEVER, the issue you seem to have is that how can such a flimsy character have such a strong following. Well, the truth of the matter is, there has been more coherent back story presented about Hinata than about Sakura. The fanbase has firm ground to stand on. And when you combine that with the great sympathy her character engenders, well, the sky's the limit.
I think you want big character expositions on Hinata, but honestly, I don't have anything more to contribute. I don't think it's there. I've said what I think about her, what makes people like her, and that's all I've got. She's no more significant to me than Lee or TenTen or Shino. But I'll take a crack at some of your questions:
Who is Hinata? Is she a creation of the fandom, or of the creator? — Personally, I think she is a creation of Kishimoto's. You sharpen interest by having suspense or conflict. Hinata brings an element of conflict. I think Kishimoto loves his main characters enough not to make it a real love triangle (which would involve real heartbreak). It could be way worse, with Naruto having some sort of interest in Hinata, and Sasuke showing some sort of interest in Sakura. But Naruto is steadfast, as is Sakura. So their feelings for each other are the "ever fixed mark."
Am I wrong in thinking she's uncaring? — Nope. I think so too. She cares about the thing she loves/admires. But she does not radically break out of her comfort zone to bring solace to those around her in real pain, who she has some hope of helping. Case in point, she could make Neji's life better within the clan by working to change the way their clan works. However, on the battlefield she knows she can not defeat Pain to save Naruto. But which one does she choose?
Is there depth to her personality? — Nah. Really there's not. Every time she's drawn it's still the same. No growth. That shows me that she's just a place holder, fulfilling a role in the manga.
Do you think it is good storytelling how recently, she's been made out to be A-OK with Neji? — No. But then again, I just don't care about them. I think it's the author's way of tying up lose ends on that storyline. It started big, with lots of details about them in the exam fights. But Kishimoto has let all that rookie development go. I think he wants to move on with the story, shifting the focus to Naruto's battles. (Really, so much time has been spent developing Sasuke, the rest of the rookies just fell off th plate.)
Do you personally believe that they have a close relationship? — No.
What is her relationship with her teammates? With other characters? — Again, not central to the story. Any opinion I have is simply conjured out of the air. She seems to get along well with her teammates, I'll give her that. But that's based on a few sentences here and there.
Can you think of other minor characters who have shown more interaction with other characters? — Yep. Shika-Ino-Chouji. They, their team and their clans have had plenty of good coverage. They don't have huge shipping fanbases because the element of luuuuuv isn't there. That's what makes Hinata stand apart.
Why the heck is Sakura's hair length even relevant? — Because after that insane elbow smackdown, I'm pretty sure Sakura's hair could kick Hinata's a$$!
Edited by tricksie, 30 June 2011 - 02:33 PM.
#120
Posted 30 June 2011 - 03:06 PM
We know he doesn't, its not like he begged Sakura to regrow her her hair because he likes it long just saying she could if she wants to( or mor precise if Kishimoto wants too)
The fact that Hinata doesn't do anything to help her cousin out, however, is not seen as anything of consequence, because she is shy and loves Naruto. Naruto needed friends. Hinata didn't tell him that she liked him, couldn't because she was too shy. Isn't that selfish? She was putting her own feelings of inadequecy before someone who she supposedly knows has suffered from having nobody love him. Hinata I find to be a sneaky character. Her personality reminds us of other shy characters, and we assume that she's kind and helpful because shy people can't be bad people, right? 12 year old girls in love however, can't do ANYTHING right, isn't that right Sakura? This is facsinating and kind of disturbing at the same time.
I don't think it takes that much analysis or deep thinking to see who has done more and cared more for Naruto. I didn't think it would take that much effort to try and point out to people that everytime Hinata shows up, her only focus is on Naruto. Yet, I realize we're fixated on things that I really think shouldn't matter. What have we brought up? Big boobs, damsels in distress, character archetypes, whether she is pretty or not... Sometimes, when I feel like we are explaining why we or people like Hinata, we're not even talking about the character herself. We're just talking about things that might be like her. What does that say about us, as readers, that we are focused on these things rather than the action and dialogue of the character? Do we think of a character as unique, or are our opinions formed and set because it reminds us of something else? Heck, you guys went into a discussion about J.K Rowlings characters when they don't have anything to do with Hinata. We bring up the pairing, but this isn't a pairing debate.
Who is Hinata? Is she a creation of the fandom, or of the creator? Am I wrong in thinking she's uncaring? Is there depth to her personality? Do you think it is good storytelling how recently, she's been made out to be A-OK with Neji? Do you personally believe that they have a close relationship? What is her relationship with her teammates? With other characters? Can you think of other minor characters who have shown more interaction with other characters? Why the heck is Sakura's hair length even relevant?
Oh my gosh XD
well we don't have a lot to go
Sakura fangirls over Sasuke, but even as early as chapter 5 we see that's not all there is to her character. And contrary to your opinion, we see even then Sakura does care about Naruto's safety- even to the point of believing she was endangering her own life, without a moment's hesitation she attempts to distract Kakashi to in an act she believes will save Naruto's life. And even Naruto's feelings she's not insensitive too- she's upset at Kakashi's bullying of Naruto in the same chapter, and disgusted at his "Thousand Years of Pain" done to Naruto. More than once she blushes at Naruto's heroic words and actions during the first bell test....
When Naruto freezes in fear when they face the mercenaries, and gets hurt, Sakura is very empathic and states that they should head back to Konoha because this mission is way beyond their level and Naruto needs his wound to be treated. Then when Zabuza first attacks Sakura doesn't think about anyone but Naruto- again with no hesitation or thoughts of her own self-preservation or Sasuke's for that matter, she endangers her own life to save Naruto by throwing herself directly on top of him (much to a fiercely blushing Naruto's delight!) She doesn't go all stereotypically tsundere afterward either about it.
After an unseen mission we see Sakura is the one supporting an injured Naruto as they arrive back in Konoha- gently chiding him for "overdoing it".
Then in the Chunin exams we see her sensitive to the hidden fear she senses in Naruto as they see all the hardened ninjas there to take the written part of the Chunnin exams, and then during the test itself she makes the choice to forfeit the exams- just to make sure Naruto's dream of becoming Hokage stays alive. She doesn't think of how Sasuke might react to this at all, doesn't think of any consequences for herself either, it's only Naruto's feelings and goals she thinks of.
Broken Figurine made the points about Hinata in comparison already, so I don't need to repeat that.
well its true
Edited by Phantom_999, 30 June 2011 - 04:36 PM.
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