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[Inori]

Hahaah, this was a fun chapter!!!
So much power of youth! And did anyone else think that in the photo of sakura and gang that she looked like she was eyeing him and all and how hinata looked murderous? I was hoping for a "And mom, about the girl...yeah.....I like this girl who keeps hitting me haha?"

Hehe..yeah !! Sakura was totally checking him out Also when you look at Naruto..you can see that his head is like pointing at Sakura or something..it's like he's telling his mother that that's the girl he likes without saying words.. that's what I believe..

Yeahh !!! I can't wait for next week's chapter !!! Guy sensei vs Kisame !!!

Edited by NightSkyGiRL, 05 August 2010 - 06:47 PM.

[Cloud]

It's just a picture.

A picture in the manga doesn't mean anything unless the author wants it to. If you're looking at it from a NS perspective, why can't NH fans do the same thing about Hinata? I'd rather use solid evidence when it comes to pairings.

Pictures to prove pairings.

[catsi563]

considering this is a visual medium YES pictures to prove pairings is perfectly legitimate.

the authors intent in the picture is perfectly clear even given the subtle connotations of the positioning and body languae of the individuals in the picture.

by the logic of those who dismiss the picture Sakura could kiss Naruto dead on the lips and shove her tongue down his throat and the picture would mean squat since and i quote cloud here.

Pictures to prove pairings *sarcastic emote*

On the contrary every picture in the manga means something. the meanings may vary but there is always a meaning to the pictures in any visual medium like this.

there was a meaning to hinatas being shown during the hug by herself away from her teamates, there was a meaning to the images Naruto saw of a younger Sakura during her confession, and there is a meaning to the positioning and body language of this picture where Hinata is shown turned away and in Sakuras shadow.

[dfammer]

I think you're confusing me with another type of person altogether...you act like I'm completely dismissing the possibility of the picture meaning more, when I'm simply suggesting that it shouldn't be used in a debate. I meant it was unimportant in the sense that it isn't concrete enough to use as a fact when debating the likeliness of NaruSaku with someone. I'm not torturing myself because I already know that if a pairing happens it'll likely be NaruSaku and even if Kishi doesn't make it completely canon there's plenty of facts already to know what he is suggesting. And for the record, I had assumed it would be NaruSaku and that Minato was Naruto's father from the beginning as well...(or rather chapter 3 for NaruSaku but yea...semantics...) Main male protagonist usually ends up with the main female protagonist end of story. It's logical.

I never said that Sakura was lying about loving Naruto, what I was saying was that she was lying about other things DURING her confession that made her confession of love seem disingenuous as well.

I didn't say he was trolling or that he is a terrible writer. Why would I even read "Naruto" if that was the case ?(Naruto is the only thing I'm willing to read even...Everything else just has such boring characters in it...) I was referring to his indecisiveness in regards to actually going through with making NaruSaku canon completely and that eventually his writing(in regards to romance)was going to grow stale. As for trolling, when I said "testing the waters" I was referring to the positive/negative feedback going around after said confessions. As in trying to figure out how badly it would effect the reputation of his manga if he made a canon pairing ? I didn't mean he was merely doing it to incite things...(the annoy emoticon was a joke...)

Smells like a N.H. shipper to me,"testing the waters",thats goofy any writer with any integrity at all will NEVER write a story to "please" a particular fan base,you write the story to please yourself and if he is any kind of writer at all he already knows how this story is going to end, relationships and all...Naruto and Sakura have been the most forshadowed couple by far since the begining of the story...Bench scene,Naruto always romantically interested in only ONE girl and that is Sakura and NO ONE else.

[Derock]

Alright...

Whomever had said the part of why Kishimoto forgotten the little "Kushina advice on women" is disjointed: it isn't. First off, that "little advice" was an expanded part of the 3 vices of shinobi. I suggest reread the section Jiraiya had covered and Naruto's answer back in Part 1 (I'm not sure it was truly covered but I remembered from the anime Naruto responded and said, "I don't understand women at all" -which he still doesn't- and there is a quote Kishimoto is showing us that in order for a relationship to work, action speaks louder than words).

Second, Strangelove had just said that he doesn't have a girlfriend, yet... so what's the point of talking/respond about it in his speech. If he did say something about this issue, wouldn't we both see Naruto and Sakura (or another woman just to pissed us off) have the "all clear to go" of starting a relationship by now that will basically scream "WE'RE CANON!!! YAY!!! VICTORY!!!"

And I don't think Kishimoto is afraid of making a pairing canon because if he was, he shouldn't write all of those confessions, make hints, etc. I rather have him save the best for last when all of the problems around them are resolved and done with (War, Akatsuki, Sasuke, etc.)

[ciardha]

considering this is a visual medium YES pictures to prove pairings is perfectly legitimate.

the authors intent in the picture is perfectly clear even given the subtle connotations of the positioning and body languae of the individuals in the picture.

by the logic of those who dismiss the picture Sakura could kiss Naruto dead on the lips and shove her tongue down his throat and the picture would mean squat

Well, yeah to those that dismiss, heck they dismiss Sakura's blushing and overt flirtation with Naruto when she sees him for the first time in 2 1/2 years- outright inviting him to look at her body in a sexual way

They also dismiss Sakura's scenes with Naruto in 296-7, 343, and 450, etc... They'd still be denying even if Kishimoto put in a full blown shoujoish lovemaking scene with Naruto and Sakura.

As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. (especially in a visual storytelling medium)

[Broken Figurine]

Well, yeah to those that dismiss, heck they dismiss Sakura's blushing and overt flirtation with Naruto when she sees him for the first time in 2 1/2 years- outright inviting him to look at her body in a sexual way

They also dismiss Sakura's scenes with Naruto in 296-7, 343, and 450, etc... They'd still be denying even if Kishimoto put in a full blown shoujoish lovemaking scene with Naruto and Sakura.

As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. (especially in a visual storytelling medium)

But pictures can be interpreted differently, and some people look too deeply into things that yes, is much like what the opposing fandom has done. A NaruHina fan could take the placement of chapter covers, panels, etc as "evidence" regardless of how far-fetched it sounds to us. Similarly, I feel we sometimes do the same thing. Here you are mentioning the positioning of characters like Shikamaru and Sakura, but then don't offer the same analysis to Hinata. In comparison to other group pictures, Hinata is usually much more in the background, yet here she is front and center. Could I interpret that as an elivated status in Naruto's eyes? Or that Sakura and Hinata are sort of back-to-back--does that imply she is of similar importance?

Pictures can be used as evidence, yes, but there is only so far that you can take them. Scenes which as specifically Naruto and Sakura--like the one you mentioned--are more important than a group photo where another point is being made. He's showcasing his friends, and unless he clearly says "Hey, Hinata's become more important to me!" "Sakura is the one I love" than it can be argued without there being any clear answer.

A picture is worth a thousand words, but it's a thousand different words for every mouth that says them.

[Miss Soupy]

by the logic of those who dismiss the picture Sakura could kiss Naruto dead on the lips and shove her tongue down his throat and the picture would mean squat since and i quote cloud here.

I'm pretty sure, though I could be wrong, that Cloud meant picture as in a snapshot, since whenever Kishi makes a panel like that, it has the appearance of a snapshot in Naruto's mind.

On the contrary every picture in the manga means something. the meanings may vary but there is always a meaning to the pictures in any visual medium like this.

there was a meaning to hinatas being shown during the hug by herself away from her teamates, there was a meaning to the images Naruto saw of a younger Sakura during her confession, and there is a meaning to the positioning and body language of this picture where Hinata is shown turned away and in Sakuras shadow.

Every picture might mean something, but to varying degrees of importance. This picture itself, as far as pairings are relevant, held very little importance.

@Derock

I have to disagree, that it was disjointed. Naruto could have said anything about that line without giving much away. He could have said 'I'm working on it' or something to that effect. That sort of line gives absolutely nothing away. It was completely left out as if it was never said, since Kushina spoke of the 3 vices and finding a girl on top of that.

[Derock]

@Derock

I have to disagree, that it was disjointed. Naruto could have said anything about that line without giving much away. He could have said 'I'm working on it' or something to that effect. That sort of line gives absolutely nothing away. It was completely left out as if it was never said, since Kushina spoke of the 3 vices and finding a girl on top of that.

Even if Naruto had said, "I'm working on that", it is still unimportant because I believe it is clear that he isn't ready for a girlfriend and doesn't have one yet (even if he sees Sakura as the apple of his eye) until all of the situations around them are resolved. Plus, I forgot to mention this, probably it wasn't mention due to panel space or he is saying this indirectly as part of the way of summarizing about Jiraiya and the 3 vices.

[catsi563]

Here you are mentioning the positioning of characters like Shikamaru and Sakura, but then don't offer the same analysis to Hinata. In comparison to other group pictures, Hinata is usually much more in the background, yet here she is front and center. Could I interpret that as an elivated status in Naruto's eyes? Or that Sakura and Hinata are sort of back-to-back--does that imply she is of similar importance?

Actually I did offer interpretation of Hinata as well. Her positioning strongly suggests distancing her self as in her turned away posture, and the fact that her face is in shadow shes not even looking at him.

[naruto-z]

Actually I did offer interpretation of Hinata as well. Her positioning strongly suggests distancing her self as in her turned away posture, and the fact that her face is in shadow shes not even looking at him.

it's almost as if she's ashamed about something. That's the very first honest impression i got when i saw that picture. the shadow has never been there till now and Kishimoto put it there for a reason

[Zin]

Smells like a N.H. shipper to me,"testing the waters",thats goofy any writer with any integrity at all will NEVER write a story to "please" a particular fan base,you write the story to please yourself and if he is any kind of writer at all he already knows how this story is going to end, relationships and all...Naruto and Sakura have been the most forshadowed couple by far since the begining of the story...Bench scene,Naruto always romantically interested in only ONE girl and that is Sakura and NO ONE else.

...Go onto narutowire and look at my posts in the NaruSaku vs NaruHina topic...I'm far harsher to NH than I am here and that's because of the strict no bashing policy. I virtually have to censor everything. I loathe the entire idea of NaruHina because not only is she an unimportant character she claims to love Naruto while doing almost nothing to show it. Naruto also considers her purely a friend, nothing more. They've had barely any interaction with each other and I just don't see how it makes sense. Not to mention, Naruto loves Sakura and he's never given up on anything else in his life why would he give up on her ?

Writers have changed their stories based on feedback before. Yes, it makes them poor writers but I haven't yet decided where Kishi lies. He's done some questionable things in the past...How Hinata's confession added to the story I'll never know...

If I didn't like NaruSaku or didn't think it would happen I wouldn't be here and yes, I know all about foreshadowing...But I'm a pessimist and I believe in considering every angle...generally focusing on the bad...

it's almost as if she's ashamed about something. That's the very first honest impression i got when i saw that picture. the shadow has never been there till now and Kishimoto put it there for a reason

I kind of felt that way too...perhaps knowing that she confessed even though she knows Naruto loves Sakura ? *shrug*

Edited by Zin, 05 August 2010 - 09:40 PM.

[naruto-z]

I kind of felt that way too...perhaps knowing that she confessed even though she knows Naruto loves Sakura ? *shrug*

that's just the thing, she has nothing to really be ashamed about unless the whole sasuke thing is the issue. Perhaps it is because she knows naruto loves sakura.

[Zin]

that's just the thing, she has nothing to really be ashamed about unless the whole sasuke thing is the issue. Perhaps it is because she knows naruto loves sakura.

Nah, I don't think it's Sasuke. She had most of her peers supporting that decision and she didn't hear Naruto completely rejecting the idea of killing Sasuke. I don't know how she'd know to even be ashamed.

[naruto-z]

Nah, I don't think it's Sasuke. She had most of her peers supporting that decision and she didn't hear Naruto completely rejecting the idea of killing Sasuke. I don't know how she'd know to even be ashamed.

yeah, but the picture certainly points it in that direction.

[catsi563]

honestly I dont think Shame even comes into it. Its more like shes making an intentional choice to turn away distancing herself by her own intentions. Shes made her confession and knows how Naruto feels about Sakura.

Her reaction in 450 was very distinct and was shown in a solo panel to emphasize that reaction. As is the authors intent in this case. Hinata has had her story, shes pulling away and while she has some importance her plot relevance is over.

[Zin]

yeah, but the picture certainly points it in that direction.

Er, I meant I don't know how she'd know to be ashamed of her decision about Sasuke. I could actually see her being ashamed of confessing to Naruto while knowing he loves Sakura.(especially after that little accepting smile he gave him when Sakura hugged him)

honestly I dont think Shame even comes into it. Its more like shes making an intentional choice to turn away distancing herself by her own intentions. Shes made her confession and knows how Naruto feels about Sakura.

Her reaction in 450 was very distinct and was shown in a solo panel to emphasize that reaction. As is the authors intent in this case. Hinata has had her story, shes pulling away and while she has some importance her plot relevance is over.

I had thrown that idea out there over at NW as well. I'm just going through the multiple possible meanings of it that's all...

Edited by Zin, 05 August 2010 - 09:58 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

honestly I dont think Shame even comes into it. Its more like shes making an intentional choice to turn away distancing herself by her own intentions. Shes made her confession and knows how Naruto feels about Sakura.

Her reaction in 450 was very distinct and was shown in a solo panel to emphasize that reaction. As is the authors intent in this case. Hinata has had her story, shes pulling away and while she has some importance her plot relevance is over.

But isn't that panel Naruto's memory of her? I don't think it has anything to do with what how Hinata feels, but how Naruto visualizes her. Why is it that he just doesn't see her as shy?

I do agree that her look in 450 could be significant.

[Zin]

But isn't that panel Naruto's memory of her? I don't think it has anything to do with what how Hinata feels, but how Naruto visualizes her. Why is it that he just doesn't see her as shy?

I do agree that her look in 450 could be significant.

This is a reason why I initially didn't want to look too far into this picture. But people had to keep bringing it up. You would think that the picture would be a depiction of Naruto's feelings towards his friends but...Why would he feel that Hinata is pulling away from him after she confessed ? They haven't even spoken to each other.(not that that is something new...) Perhaps it's Kishi's point of view ? I really don't know...

[Dreamer]

Actually, the jutsu Naruto used was the 'shunshun no jutsu', AKA the body-flicker technique. It's listed as a D-rank jutsu, most academy student-genin level ninja can use it (Shisui Uchiha was feared for his skill with it), but Bee was just explaining that Naruto's version while he had his jinchuuriki cloak on was so fast and sudden that it could be compared to his Father's speed and reflexes. It wasn't as fast as the 'Hiraishin' (which is more or less instantaneus), but the speed of Naruto's attack was enough for Kisame to mention it.

Also, not sure if anyone's brought this up yet, but did anyone notice that Naruto called Jiraiya with the suffix 'sensei', rather than 'ero sennin'?

EDIT:^ That's right. This is number 4.

No, I'm pretty sure it's an advance Hiraishin. Naruto's is more advance with a giant seal on his body meaning he doesn't have to throw a kunai or perhaps if he does have Rikudou's body he may be using an advance lightening affinity jutsu since he was shown with Mokuton.