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[crazyefra]

Wow, so that's why they did those fillers with Hinata and destroyed what was once a dramatic moment in the manga.

[pharix]

I don't know why but seeing Hinata sent up in the air like a ragdoll, reminded me of Buster off Mythbusters sent flying through the air from an explosion.

OoMizukyoO on dA made this and all I could think of was "Team Hinata's blasting off agaaaaaaaaaain!"

[Gravenimage]

Wow, so that's why they did those fillers with Hinata and destroyed what was once a dramatic moment in the manga.

Yup that's right Efra that's why we had lots of N/H in the Naruto filler arc that lasted a year and a half.

[Dreamer]

OoMizukyoO on dA made this and all I could think of was "Team Hinata's blasting off agaaaaaaaaaain!"

I love it.

[No WhereMan]

Yup that's right Efra that's why we had lots of N/H in the Naruto filler arc that lasted a year and a half.

Wow, talking about absolute power corrupting absolutely.

Edited by No WhereMan, 26 June 2010 - 01:03 AM.

[Gravenimage]

OoMizukyoO on dA made this and all I could think of was "Team Hinata's blasting off agaaaaaaaaaain!"

You know I'm not a anti Hinata fan but I just had to .

[Daniee]

Signoff implies prior to airing, it sounds like from what you're telling me the Animation department is completely independent from the Manga. Which means we might have a conflict if you're in fact correct.

Studio Pierott is under no obligation to follow Kishimoto's manga exactly. They bought the rights and can do with the show as they please.

I've seen anime adaptations that change things from the manga WAY more than this episode did. (Rurouni Kenshin being one I can remember in which the author was angry about)

The studio Pierot are N/H supporters there were rumors that a long time ago Pierot asked Kishi to give Hinata more development in his manga making her like a main character, in other words they want her to have more development with Naruto. His answer was no.

There has been a whole lot more Naru/Saku filler throughout the show, you know... Don't be like other people and flip out over one episode.

[No WhereMan]

There has been a whole lot more Naru/Saku filler throughout the show, you know... Don't be like other people and flip out over one episode.

The only thing is, I've seen other episodes (fillers) that featured Hinata and other episodes and honestly I haven't really minded that. But this episode was almost blatant with the favoritism.

[Insurrection]

Studio Pierott is under no obligation to follow Kishimoto's manga exactly. They bought the rights and can do with the show as they please.

I've seen anime adaptations that change things from the manga WAY more than this episode did. (Rurouni Kenshin being one I can remember in which the author was angry about)


There has been a whole lot more Naru/Saku filler throughout the show, you know... Don't be like other people and flip out over one episode.

Then I won't be surprised when the inevitable conflict comes. The whole reason I'm somewhat flipped is because we're given two different images, it will be NH for Anime and NS for Manga. That's the way it looks to me right now, however we're next in line so it will be interesting how they pull this rabbit out of the hat.

Edited by Insurrection, 26 June 2010 - 01:24 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Hm...if the anime makers are completely independent from Kishimoto... whether NaruSaku happens in the manga or not, they may have NaruHina happen in the anime!

[No WhereMan]

No that would be too blatantly idiotic on the Anime's part. Considering everyone reads the manga and is the most read in Japan we already know everything with like a one year advance.

Actually that's not exactly true. A lot people don't read the manga. Some people they're only interaction with Naruto is through the anime. (Cringe) Even the english dub.

For instance, I consider myself a fan of DB but I've never once read the manga.

[ciardha]

What I have an issue with is the over dramatization and nigh attempted canonnization of a minor and quite frankly insignifigant side character by the animation staff.

simply put while i dont mean to bruise the egos of her fandom, the character of Hinata Hyuuga is quite simply wholey irrelevant to the plot of Naruto as a whole. All of her plot points could easilly be done just as good if not better by other characters with similar or better development.

simply put she just isnt that important

Exactly, and Kishimoto will not be happy for the same reason. I don't know why, but several anime companies have a have bad history of giving the middle finger to the manga creators on some aspect of the story- they buy the rights and do things deliberately that contradict canon. Naoko Takeuchi (Sailor Moon) really got her characters and storyline elements royally messed over, she's one of the few manga creators that made no bones about how much it bugged her. Which is why when the prospect of a live action adaption was sent to her, she used the power manga creators rarely use (it gives them a bad "rep" as being "difficult" and they aren't likely to get anything else filmed) and insisted on being closely involved with the project- thus insuring a strong storyline with lots of character development, and the characters personalities actually being as Takeuchi wrote them. (No surprise, even though ratings were decent, only 13 episodes, plus 1 special were filmed...)

Anime companies have a enormous amount of power compared to the manga creators (it's similar in the US when a novelist gets their book made into a movie) manga creators are afraid to make objections when a series is being animated for fear they will cancel it, do even more off canon stuff, and not get any more of their stories animated.)

Knowing that history has made a few people that have been reading manga nearly as long as I, actually refuse to watch anime adaptions.

I'm irritated with this episode because it was Studio Pierrot giving Kishimoto the middle finger. It's as bad to the opposite extreme as when Rei/Sailor Mars was fighting childishly with Usagi/Sailor Moon over Mamoru/Tuxedo Mask. In the manga Rei was cool and refined, they also trashed Makoto/Sailor Jupiter by making her a boy crazy girl, when in the manga she was a tomboyish girl who was the best fighter of the inner senshi, because she had a history of fighting bullies- including boys. Usagi wasn't a whiny brat in the manga either- yes, she was airheaded, but she had a bubbly personality that made people like her despite how dense she was.

Edited by ciardha, 26 June 2010 - 02:01 AM.

[Gravenimage]

So is it possible for Pierot to make N/H canon in the anime when that's not the case with the N/S development in the manga?

[tricksie]

I don't think it's going to go NH in the anime. But it obviously is a very different beast than the manga.

They've made a pretty strong case for Hinata going specifically against Naruto's orders (it was mentioned by several different characters) And Naruto himself doesn't even look at her in the end while she's trying to pull the bar in his hand out. (Imagine if that were Sakura down there, he'd be a mess. Not burying his head as if he can't bear to watch what's inevitably going to happen.)

And I don't know if anyone else thought the same, but when he went 6-tails the character they cut to for the audience to feel everything through was Sakura. So, we get Hinata's back story and effort, but when we need the sense of perspective on what Naruto's going through it is presented through Sakura. She doesn't know what's going on with Hinata, and she doesn't need to. But she knows what's going on with Naruto when no one else does. So that speaks volumes for me.

I think their are just pumping up her character in the anime to develop a little love-suspense which is much more subtly covered in the manga, where Hinata is clearly NOT a primary character. And there has been consistent NS development all along, and no NH development. Seriously, if they were to turn the anime into NH then they'd have to rewrite the whole thing. It's about Team 7, bonds, and this little (psuedo) love triangle that Hinata has no part of.

That being said, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they don't mess up Sakura's hug. I'll take all this back if they do!

edit: I just read the above posts by ciardha and graven. That's so disheartening! And it must be downright awful for the manga creators. I have to say that if the anime did go the way of NH, then I would probably stop watching it altogether.

Edited by tricksie, 26 June 2010 - 02:03 AM.

[Daniee]

The only thing is, I've seen other episodes (fillers) that featured Hinata and other episodes and honestly I haven't really minded that. But this episode was almost blatant with the favoritism.

Oh, I agree with that. It is very stupid that this ep would get this kind of treatment while Kakashi (a much more important and interesting character) and his "death scene" doesn't. I'm just saying people shouldn't jump the gun and shout that the anime staff are Naru/Hina fans and they're suddenly going to diverge from the manga and make that canon in the show, just after this episode. As I said, they've given Naru/Saku a whole lot more filler scenes.

Also, it's pretty clear to me why they would be obsessed with Hinata and do all those filler scenes: Japanese society's obsession with cuteness. It may be not just their own bias but also pandering. There's a wider audience of people who watch the anime than manga readers. And/or they figured this was the character's last big moment ever or for a long time and decided to go nuts. Probably doesn't justify it, but... it's their show.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Oh, I agree with that. It is very stupid that this ep would get this kind of treatment while Kakashi (a much more important and interesting character) and his "death scene" doesn't. I'm just saying people shouldn't jump the gun and shout that the anime staff are Naru/Hina fans and they're suddenly going to diverge from the manga and make that canon in the show, just after this episode. As I said, they've given Naru/Saku a whole lot more filler scenes.

Also, it's pretty clear to me why they would be obsessed with Hinata and do all those filler scenes: Japanese society's obsession with cuteness. It may be not just their own bias but also pandering. There's a wider audience of people who watch the anime than manga readers. And/or they figured this was the character's last big moment ever or for a long time and decided to go nuts. Probably doesn't justify it, but... it's their show.

The part about Kakashi is so true; Hinata isn't nearly as important as Kakashi is yet the anime makers give her all of this attention that she doesn't deserve... It just p***es me off!

[ciardha]

Oh, I agree with that. It is very stupid that this ep would get this kind of treatment while Kakashi (a much more important and interesting character) and his "death scene" doesn't. I'm just saying people shouldn't jump the gun and shout that the anime staff are Naru/Hina fans and they're suddenly going to diverge from the manga and make that canon in the show, just after this episode. As I said, they've given Naru/Saku a whole lot more filler scenes.

Also, it's pretty clear to me why they would be obsessed with Hinata and do all those filler scenes: Japanese society's obsession with cuteness. It may be not just their own bias but also pandering. There's a wider audience of people who watch the anime than manga readers. And/or they figured this was the character's last big moment ever or for a long time and decided to go nuts. Probably doesn't justify it, but... it's their show.

It's not just the "moe" element, there's another even more obvious thing- Hinata has big boobs. There's definitely a strong contingent at Studio Pierrot that have a big breast fixation, that's been pretty obvious- they focus shots on Tsunade's breasts a lot in her scenes, and do so with almost any female character that has largish breasts. In contrast, Sakura gets mostly facial focus shots.

[CloudMountainJuror]

It's not just the "moe" element, there's another even more obvious thing- Hinata has big boobs. There's definitely a strong contingent at Studio Pierrot that have a big breast fixation, that's been pretty obvious- they focus shots on Tsunade's breasts a lot in her scenes, and do so with almost any female character that has largish breasts. In contrast, Sakura gets mostly facial focus shots.

That's one reason why I sometimes can't stand Hinata fans: because half of the time they only like her for her cup size.

[Lazy-Genius]

I must say, watching that kinda gave me an opposite reaction to what everyone else seems to be saying. I mean, at first I was kinda annoyed that they would change so much and give all this special treatment, but then I realized that they seem to NEED all of this extra filler crap and we don't. There aren't many changes between the NS manga moments and the NS anime moments and I wouldn't have it any other way (until the very ending, that is). We don't need any of this filler crap to support our pairing. While NH fans area inevitably going to bring up this episode in future discussions and say things like "but Naruto saved Hinata from some bullies!" and stuff like that, we can just whip out a copy of the manga and say "nope, didn't actually happen". All Pierot is doing right now is setting up NH fans for a big disappointment.

but honestly, just like the book is always better then the movie, the manga is always better then the anime. There are only two series where I have enjoyed watching the anime as much as I have enjoyed reading the manga: Fairy Tail, and Full Metal Alchemist (Brotherhood, that is). However, I don't think that Pierot is stupid enough to make a big pairing change like that. Naruto is just too popular for them to get away with it. While I don't doubt that they're still going to continue to give all this special treatment to Hinata, I don't think they'll change the ending.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I must say, watching that kinda gave me an opposite reaction to what everyone else seems to be saying. I mean, at first I was kinda annoyed that they would change so much and give all this special treatment, but then I realized that they seem to NEED all of this extra filler crap and we don't. There aren't many changes between the NS manga moments and the NS anime moments and I wouldn't have it any other way (until the very ending, that is). We don't need any of this filler crap to support our pairing. While NH fans area inevitably going to bring up this episode in future discussions and say things like "but Naruto saved Hinata from some bullies!" and stuff like that, we can just whip out a copy of the manga and say "nope, didn't actually happen". All Pierot is doing right now is setting up NH fans for a big disappointment.

but honestly, just like the book is always better then the movie, the manga is always better then the anime. There are only two series where I have enjoyed watching the anime as much as I have enjoyed reading the manga: Fairy Tail, and Full Metal Alchemist (Brotherhood, that is). However, I don't think that Pierot is stupid enough to make a big pairing change like that. Naruto is just too popular for them to get away with it. While I don't doubt that they're still going to continue to give all this special treatment to Hinata, I don't think they'll change the ending.

I'm aware that we don't need the filler for support; I'm just irritated that they gave this moment a bunch of bulls*** that didn't happen in the manga. It's going to mislead a lot of people who only watch the anime and don't read the manga.