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#101 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 05:02 PM

No he doesn't just wanna target families, he wants to bomb the kitten out of ISIS, that is a direct quote. But that's no good unless their headquarters are in the desert or something. They blend in with the crowd, and they have slaves and hostages. Ntm, ISIS is a group that is spread -not gathered in one spot. Bomb one place you kill 100 people and 10 of them are terrorists..

 

US has been bombing the kitten out of terrorists(some that they trained) for decades. What good did that do? But it killed a lot of innocent blood which is unforgivable to me. So besides being a human being it is a useless and expensive thing to do.

 

But I fail to see reason behind killing familymembers of terrorists. Forget that they are actually innocent, what kind of strategy is that?

Then what would be your approach? Bombing won't work, true. To defeat ISIS you'd need boots on the ground and tanks, but the EU and other countries are still going to kitten and complain about that, too, saying we're being too hostile towards these countries. Like anyone in the U.S would really care.

 

It's family members who encourage these "people" to become terrorists, or don't bother to stop them. By attacking their families, you're preventing other terrorists from coming from the same gene pool, and it gives these terrorists something else to think about other than dying for the sake of their "religion" and I use that word very lightly. Cult is a better word for Islam. 

 

To defeat ISIS, political correctness needs to be thrown in the trash can. Hillary Clinton won't even address ISIS by what they are, Islamic Terrorists, which means she could never defeat the. It's not what Trump says, it's a basic rule of warfare. In order to defeat your enemy you need to at the very least be able to call them what they are. And Hillary can't seem to pull that off. Let alone Obozo. 

 

Civilian casualties are going to happen in a war. It's an ugly reality, but there's no getting around it. The fact ISIS uses their own people as human shields doesn't help, so what are you going to do?

 

These terrorist organizations cannot stand up to the west and its superior military strength. If you want to get rid of ISIS, people are going to have to grow a pair, and man up. There are two possible ways of dealing with ISIS, and either one is going to inflict civilian casualties. It's a rule of war.

 

1) Starve them out. Block all trade with other countries, bomb their farmland, and continue to attack convoys carrying supplies. It's a slower way to kill them off, but it's effective.

 

2) Full military occupation. Infantry, tanks, artillery, and naval support from the Mediterranean. Put enough troops on the ground that ISIS constantly has their hands full trying to hold their ground...which they won't. 

 

Oh, and you can prevent Muslims from entering your countries, too. Eastern Europe isn't letting them in, so why does Western Europe have to, as well as the U.S? ISIS will hide in the crowds and kill as many people as they can, which is why Trump wants to put a TEMPORARY ban on Muslims from entering the U.S. It's not the first time its happened, either. You should read about Carter and what he did. 

 


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 06:52 PM

Interesting news: Bernie Sanders has now changed his stance and says he will vote for Hillary....

 

http://www.zerohedge...after-saying-no

 

Huh, and here I thought I had found a Socialist who wouldn't go back on his word. I thought he wanted the banks out of politics? Guess I was wrong.

 

As for Britain leaving the EU I say good riddance. I'm tired of watching Germany and other EU countries bullying members into falling in line with certain policies. Every large central banker claimed that Britain leaving would be a terrible thing. Imo a day in which central bankers are defied is a great day indeed.


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#103 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 09:27 PM

Interesting news: Bernie Sanders has now changed his stance and says he will vote for Hillary....

 

http://www.zerohedge...after-saying-no

 

Huh, and here I thought I had found a Socialist who wouldn't go back on his word. I thought he wanted the banks out of politics? Guess I was wrong.

 

As for Britain leaving the EU I say good riddance. I'm tired of watching Germany and other EU countries bullying members into falling in line with certain policies. Every large central banker claimed that Britain leaving would be a terrible thing. Imo a day in which central bankers are defied is a great day indeed.

Britain leaving the EU was the best possible thing that could have happened.

 

The way things are going now, Europe has another 50 years at tops. If the liberals don't open their eyes, they're going to be in a world of trouble.



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Posted 24 June 2016 - 11:13 PM

Normally I don't like to talk about politics at all. But @Dalton you are correct. You understand war and what must be done. That is all I'll say.

Also about Britain, I saw this on tumblr and gave me a laugh. "The EU now has 1 ‘GB’ of free space."

Is it official Britain will no longer be apart of EU or it's still not decided?


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Posted 24 June 2016 - 11:27 PM

I'm pretty certain it's official.

 

But of course, members of the EU  are trying to make a new referendum in an attempt to see if remain wins this time. What an obvious attempt to jury rigging the results until they get what they want.


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Posted 25 June 2016 - 12:30 AM

An Island that has a stand alone economy as strong as Great Britain's, becoming an independent nation is the best thing they could possibly do. Yes, they may suffer from loss of trade for a time, but in time the people would adapt and learn how to survive on their own. Their economy would skyrocket, and the value of the pound would increasingly go up.

 

So, that puts the whole "Britain will suffer from lack of trade argument" dead in the water.


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Posted 25 June 2016 - 02:54 PM

It's worth noting that those who voted to leave are in the 50+ bracket. Unlike those in the 35-younger bracket, they have less to deal with the future since they're of the older generation. Instead it's the UK youth who gets saddled with the burden.

I really gotta wonder what the Queen thinks about all of this. I feel that despite the hands-off aproach the monarch takes, now really is a good time more than ever for her to speak in this time of uncertainty and anxiety.

P.S.: Nate, you're abstaining from the election this year, right?

 

You hoping I am? I don't know, ask me in November. I loathe both candidates. I was a Scott Walker supporter who was never able to find a political home after he withdrew. 

 

So, I'm no Trumpeteer, but he does have two things going for him. First, there is at least an outside chance he might occasionally do something I supporter and might support a Supreme Court Justice I like. There is zero odds of either for Clinton. Second, he's not Hillary Clinton. But whether that's enough to overcome his enormous negatives for me, I haven't decided. 

 

As for the millennials, I am millennial who detests his own generations, so I do not weep for their defeat. 

 

At least Trump wants friendly relations with Russia. Hillary, the way she is, would likely be more interested in starting a second cold war.

 

Cold War? Nah. Remember this:

 

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 07:39 PM

ISIS kills unarmed Iraqi soldier whilst trying to rescue an injured boy

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 26 June 2016 - 07:19 PM

ISIS kills unarmed Iraqi soldier whilst trying to rescue an injured boy

 

 

 

 

@ Nate River, and this:

 

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I'm unsure of the point. I am familiar with both incidents and are the tip of the iceberg of why I'll never vote for Hillary. The point I was responding too is that she wanted to start a cold war when she's on record for the stupid reset button with that same nation.

 

So, I'm a little lost on your meaning.



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Posted 26 June 2016 - 09:31 PM

 

I'm unsure of the point. I am familiar with both incidents and are the tip of the iceberg of why I'll never vote for Hillary. The point I was responding too is that she wanted to start a cold war when she's on record for the stupid reset button with that same nation.

 

So, I'm a little lost on your meaning.

I misunderstood your comment. Never mind. 



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 01:28 AM

This time it's a Thirteen year old girl at an Austrian swimming pool. I give her credit for fighting him off long enough for someone to help. But she really got lucky, otherwise she might have ended up like that poor Serbian boy.

 

http://www.zerohedge...d-pools-austria

 

Clearly we need more "Sexual assault/Rape is bad" pamphlets in order to prevent refugees from alleviating their "sexual emergencies." 

 

Though if I ever regain my faith in women and have a child, any man or woman who attempts to touch them will be buried into the ground.


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Posted 27 June 2016 - 10:28 AM

 
I'm unsure of the point. I am familiar with both incidents and are the tip of the iceberg of why I'll never vote for Hillary. The point I was responding too is that she wanted to start a cold war when she's on record for the stupid reset button with that same nation.
 
So, I'm a little lost on your meaning.

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:14 PM

This time it's a Thirteen year old girl at an Austrian swimming pool. I give her credit for fighting him off long enough for someone to help. But she really got lucky, otherwise she might have ended up like that poor Serbian boy.

 

http://www.zerohedge...d-pools-austria

 

Clearly we need more "Sexual assault/Rape is bad" pamphlets in order to prevent refugees from alleviating their "sexual emergencies." 

 

Though if I ever regain my faith in woman and have a child, any man or woman who attempts to touch them will be buried into the ground.

Conservative solution to potential rapist: Draw a pistol and tell 'em to back off. 

 

Liberal solution: Be nice, and tell women to pee their pants.

 

Gee, which one would you take? 



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 05:31 PM

Conservative solution to potential rapist: Draw a pistol and tell 'em to back off. 

 

Liberal solution: Be nice, and tell women to pee their pants.

 

Gee, which one would you take? 

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:59 PM

Conservative solution to potential rapist: Draw a pistol and tell 'em to back off. 

 

Liberal solution: Be nice, and tell women to pee their pants.

 

Gee, which one would you take? 

I'm not sure how serious you are here..

 

No one ever believes a rape victim, but here the attacker is muslim - does that make it easier for you? And, the more serious punishment you seek, the more evidence it needs for a successful trial. So forget execution, unless you're for assasination lol.

 

Mind you, Donald Trump has been accused of rape by at least 2 people(being his ex-wife, and a 13-yo girl who had formidable evidence). You can look it up yourself, but you probably will not admit even the possibility? Is that because you want to protect him or because you believe he's good? What he said about rape in the military makes more sense if you put it together too. "26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?" Do you also think it is human nature and not a monstrous thing to do?

 

You want that person to be president. Thus I don't believe you are care about rape at all, but saw an opportunity to justify your hatred towards refugees/muslims.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:31 PM

I'm not sure how serious you are here..

 

No one ever believes a rape victim, but here the attacker is muslim - does that make it easier for you? And, the more serious punishment you seek, the more evidence it needs for a successful trial. So forget execution, unless you're for assasination lol.

 

Mind you, Donald Trump has been accused of rape by at least 2 people(being his ex-wife, and a 13-yo girl who had formidable evidence). You can look it up yourself, but you probably will not admit even the possibility? Is that because you want to protect him or because you believe he's good? What he said about rape in the military makes more sense if you put it together too. "26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?" Do you also think it is human nature and not a monstrous thing to do?

 

You want that person to be president. Thus I don't believe you are care about rape at all, but saw an opportunity to justify your hatred towards refugees/muslims.


Not to mention that I'm sure there are countless cases of people who have drawn a gun on a would-be criminal only to have it taken from them and used on them instead, the would-be criminal pulling their own gun and killing the victim before the victim can kill them, or at least the victim having their gun knocked away and that gun proving to be useless in the end. Some probably even did fire it, only to miss because they were going on adrenaline, anxiety, fear, etc. and so not able to think clearly and/or were shaking, etc, even at close range. Some think firing a gun on a person is such an easy thing to do for anyone, even if that person had "training" that only involved them shooting at static/barely moving paper targets at a gun range, but it really isn't, and that's on top of having to come to grips with the situation that person is involved in. The mind would be racing.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 01:26 AM

I'm not sure how serious you are here..

 

No one ever believes a rape victim, but here the attacker is muslim - does that make it easier for you? And, the more serious punishment you seek, the more evidence it needs for a successful trial. So forget execution, unless you're for assasination lol.

 

Mind you, Donald Trump has been accused of rape by at least 2 people(being his ex-wife, and a 13-yo girl who had formidable evidence). You can look it up yourself, but you probably will not admit even the possibility? Is that because you want to protect him or because you believe he's good? What he said about rape in the military makes more sense if you put it together too. "26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?" Do you also think it is human nature and not a monstrous thing to do?

 

You want that person to be president. Thus I don't believe you are care about rape at all, but saw an opportunity to justify your hatred towards refugees/muslims.

....what? I'm not even going to bother replying to the majority of that comment. That made absolutely no freaking sense. 

 

Also, you want to bring up rape? Do a little research on your precious Clinton's. You don't have a lot of room to be talking in that regard. In fact, what Hillary and Bill did make Trump's offense pretty minimal. I'll agree that raping a 13-year-old is bad, but what Bill did is 100 times worse. Let alone what kittenlery did.

 

You must be running out of excuses to write a post like that. You took EVERYTHING I said completely out of context. 


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 03:40 AM

Not to mention that I'm sure there are countless cases of people who have drawn a gun on a would-be criminal only to have it taken from them and used on them instead, the would-be criminal pulling their own gun and killing the victim before the victim can kill them, or at least the victim having their gun knocked away and that gun proving to be useless in the end. Some probably even did fire it, only to miss because they were going on adrenaline, anxiety, fear, etc. and so not able to think clearly and/or were shaking, etc, even at close range. Some think firing a gun on a person is such an easy thing to do for anyone, even if that person had "training" that only involved them shooting at static/barely moving paper targets at a gun range, but it really isn't, and that's on top of having to come to grips with the situation that person is involved in. The mind would be racing.

Evidence please as the root of the bolded point is a statistic. Without said evidence this argument is pointless.

 

But just consider the logic used here:

 

Pulling their own gun and killing the victim before they can kill them If this made guns worthless then the police and military would not use them. War is about escalation, that is why countries will go into Total War diverting every resource towards manufacturing and supplying armies. The guy with the larger boom tends to win and just because the other guy outdraws you doesn't mean you give up on your chance of winning which means survival. That is Insanity.

 

Some probably even did fire it, only to miss because they were going on adrenaline, anxiety, fear, etc. and so not able to think clearly and/or were shaking, etc, even at close range. If the criminal misses he is going to fire again and you are going to be dead. People are going to experience adrenaline/fear no matter what. DEAL WITH IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT NOT LEARNING TO DEAL WITH FEAR MEANS DEATH. COPS AND EVEN SOLDIERS EXPERIENCE THE EXACT SAME THINGS. THEY ALSO MISS. Go to a firing range and train. But remember that criminals have already escalated a confrontation to a gun fight. You do not want to be the one who brought the knife.

 

Some think firing a gun on a person is such an easy thing to do for anyone, even if that person had "training" that only involved them shooting at static/barely moving paper targets at a gun range, but it really isn't, and that's on top of having to come to grips with the situation that person is involved in.Policemen and Soldiers train by shooting at static targets. Even the moving targets are never given random patterns.

 

But Ultimately this boils down to one point: This world you live in is not the real world. In the real world people would be struggling to find food, shelter, and water, etc. But civilization has built several walls to soften the blows of the real world. Food distribution systems keep the hunger at bay, the army and police along with the legal system provide order and provide a deterrent to crimes such as rape and murder, marriage provides structure for the most important human resource: Children.

 

But the real world is never truly eliminated. Murder still occurs, rapes still happen, hunger and poverty abound. Ignore the simple fact and you and your country will be buried into the ground by reality.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 03:53 AM

Evidence please as the root of the bolded point is a statistic. Without said evidence this argument is pointless.

 

But just consider the logic used here:

 

Pulling their own gun and killing the victim before they can kill them If this made guns worthless then the police and military would not use them. War is about escalation, that is why countries will go into Total War diverting every resource towards manufacturing and supplying armies. The guy with the larger boom tends to win and just because the other guy outdraws you doesn't mean you give up on your chance of winning which means survival. That is Insanity.

 

Some probably even did fire it, only to miss because they were going on adrenaline, anxiety, fear, etc. and so not able to think clearly and/or were shaking, etc, even at close range. If the criminal misses he is going to fire again and you are going to be dead. People are going to experience adrenaline/fear no matter what. DEAL WITH IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT NOT LEARNING TO DEAL WITH FEAR MEANS DEATH. COPS AND EVEN SOLDIERS EXPERIENCE THE EXACT SAME THINGS. THEY ALSO MISS. Go to a firing range and train. But remember that criminals have already escalated a confrontation to a gun fight. You do not want to be the one who brought the knife.

 

Some think firing a gun on a person is such an easy thing to do for anyone, even if that person had "training" that only involved them shooting at static/barely moving paper targets at a gun range, but it really isn't, and that's on top of having to come to grips with the situation that person is involved in.Policemen and Soldiers train by shooting at static targets. Even the moving targets are never given random patterns.

 

But Ultimately this boils down to one point: This world you live in is not the real world. In the real world people would be struggling to find food, shelter, and water, etc. But civilization has built several walls to soften the blows of the real world. Food distribution systems keep the hunger at bay, the army and police along with the legal system provide order and provide a deterrent to crimes such as rape and murder, marriage provides structure for the most important human resource: Children.

 

But the real world is never truly eliminated. Murder still occurs, rapes still happen, hunger and poverty abound. Ignore the simple fact and you and your country will be buried into the ground by reality.


And here you are pointing out the big difference already - police and military when the point was about ordinary civilians with NO such experience, and "getting over" such fear of dying is NOT that easy. You think one time and you'll suddenly be Rambo the next time or something?

You and others that think like that are the ones not living in the real world and just want a world like that of The Purge or some other completely anarchistic society. This is not Call of Duty, Battlefield, or some other shooter video game where you have instant auto-aim, where you get regenerating health, where you can change difficulties of things if they get hard, where you can just keep redoing after dying until you get things perfectly right. You only have ONE chance in that moment, and the chances are almost always going to be against you.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 04:46 AM

And here you are pointing out the big difference already - police and military when the point was about ordinary civilians with NO such experience, and "getting over" such fear of dying is NOT that easy. You think one time and you'll suddenly be Rambo the next time or something?

You and others that think like that are the ones not living in the real world and just want a world like that of The Purge or some other completely anarchistic society. This is not Call of Duty, Battlefield, or some other shooter video game where you have instant auto-aim, where you get regenerating health, where you can change difficulties of things if they get hard, where you can just keep redoing after dying until you get things perfectly right. You only have ONE chance in that moment, and the chances are almost always going to be against you.

Then you didn't even read my argument. In each point I made I pointed out that police and soldiers suffer the same issues that ordinary citizens do. The government simply presses on because they understand what is at stake if they throw guns out of the picture and because they understand that having people with guns gives them an advantage over the majority of the populace.

 

You and others that think like that are the ones not living in the real world and just want a world like that of The Purge or some other completely anarchistic society. It's called SELF-DEFENSE. That does not mean no rules. But who is really living in a fantasy world?

 

Laws are meaningless without the authority to back them up. If laws were all that is needed than once again the police would not carry guns. And even then laws meant to keep the realities of the world out fail entirely as do the police. Laws against Homicide do not provide full protection from murder. Gun free zones do not protect people from guns. Laws are simply meaningless letters written on paper. The real world is conflict and losing means DEATH. Those who have advantages survive and those who don't become history.

 

You only have ONE chance in that moment, and the chances are almost always going to be against you. Only if you allow them to be. If you let your opponent take a clear advantage over you and surrender then yes You have stacked the cards against yourself. If you trust that the police will be coming in minutes when every second and decision counts then yes: You have stacked the odds against yourself.

 

Get off your High Horse and wake up: Those who follow the policy of no guns tend to end up dead because this fantasy land of someone else will protect us is complete bullcrap.  


Edited by Shadow1275, 29 June 2016 - 05:06 AM.

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