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[Ryriena]

And to say "the story would be the same" regardless of which girl got with Naruto throughout most of the story...yeah...just like how that annoyance, remedialaction tries to say the story wouldn't have changed if Sasuke wasn't in it. XP

Agreed so much my story changed when Sasuke decided not to go to Orchimaru and decided to train on his own and thus mets Karin in a small village were he battles Orchimaru but is badly injuried but is kept safe by the villagers and Karin who heals him with her abilties. However, if I took those two characters out it would change things drastically too the point where its not the same story anymore.

Edited by Ryriena, 04 November 2015 - 11:34 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

@ milan kyuubi & Hanabi

Pairing war happen because SP tamper scenario with their own romance scenario.  Basically until 615, Naruto is can be everybody boyfriend in manga.  All girl can became Naruto shell (if you don't like Hinata) and story basically still same.

What pipe are you smoking from? The manga supported NS while some of the people in SP supported nH. So when those nH fans had the reins it had hinata scenes. When it was adapting the manga or some other faction was in charge it was NS or SNS. Are you talking about those filler girl like the girls in the movies?

[Dexter]

I agree to an extent, but I would have taken Naruto moving on over him only loving Sakura out of rivalry

An explanation that doesn't even make sense.

 

How can you love someone out of a rivalry? Why Sakura? Sasuke literally treated her the same as everyone else hell Sasuke never interacted with her. Why would him pretending to fall for Sakura to get at Sasuke justify how heartbroken he was when Sakura hugged Sasuke and not him after the Sannin arc

[Illnevergiveup3]

hell nawl!!!

[Nate River]

No.

 

The entire war arc, especially the second half was terrible. It was a slow-motion train wreck and that remains true even of that movie was never made. The Last incorporates the main series literary crimes (notably the reconning), but it's not what ruins the manga. The manga ruined itself. The true unforgivable thing it did was destroy one of the few redeeming qualities that still existed for Naruto the character. When it comes to romance he went from largely mature (at least in Part 1) to exceptionally petty, which is a direct contradiction to what the manga showed. No way to square that.

 

However, the series had already turned him into a reactionary self-parody (Obito is cool being the coup de' grace) by that point, so it's not like he was ruined because of the last. The post series stuff is just what finally put him out to pasture. 

 

As to NH specifically, the Last was a poor attempt to solve obvious gaps in its development. That it was even needed for that purpose highlights that the series failed in its job to properly develop NH. Thus, removing the last doesn't make it anymore tolerable. 

[Narufan85]

No.

 

The entire war arc, especially the second half was terrible. It was a slow-motion train wreck and that remains true even of that movie was never made. The Last incorporates the main series literary crimes (notably the reconning), but it's not what ruins the manga. The manga ruined itself. The true unforgivable thing it did was destroy one of the few redeeming qualities that still existed for Naruto the character. When it comes to romance he went from largely mature (at least in Part 1) to exceptionally petty, which is a direct contradiction to what the manga showed. No way to square that.

 

However, the series had already turned him into a reactionary self-parody (Obito is cool being the coup de' grace) by that point, so it's not like he was ruined because of the last. The post series stuff is just what finally put him out to pasture. 

 

As to NH specifically, the Last was a poor attempt to solve obvious gaps in its development. That it was even needed for that purpose highlights that the series failed in its job to properly develop NH. Thus, removing the last doesn't make it anymore tolerable. 

 

In retrospect, the war arc was atrocious. I got caught up in the fury of the last 100 chapters or so. But there was a long period before I joined H&E where I briefly skimmed the chapter each week largely out of habit rather than interest.

[Ryriena]

In retrospect, I agree reading the war arc it was in decline greatly after Sakura's confession. Her so called fake confession was the down turn of this manga into a badly done shoujio manga.

Edited by Ryriena, 12 November 2015 - 12:59 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

In retrospect, I agree reading the war arc it was in decline greatly after Sakura's confession. Her so called fake confession was the down turn of this manga into a badly done shoujio manga.

It really started going down much more noticeably, IMO, since Hinata's (unrequited) confession. I mean, immediately after that, you have them seeming to forget things that were emphasized before, like Naruto simply going 4-tailed berserker state was so dangerous that it shortened his lifespan (due to the constant self-injury and healing over and over) and yet here, we had Naruto going 6-tailed and even almost releasing Kurama entirely at 8-tails (were it not for convenient seal haxing because Minato could somehow see the freaking future essentially) and then is instantly completely healed up afterwards with the last Sage Mode Kage Bunshin, but nothing on how much more his life had to have been shortened during that brief stint in a far WORSE state than he was before, and also never fully explaining how Sage Mode helps the Rasenshuriken not hurt Naruto as much (as it wasn't just the explosion, but even just forming/holding it that damaged his arm), and so on.

It's also really when things were attempted to be a lot heavier and deeper...and failed...

[rocci]

Sage mode augment his body defense to be able to use rasenshuriken. While kurama mode only shield him.

[DeathGodMack]

I might tolerate NH more if Sakura had died at some point in the war, provided that they don’t delve into the realm of inconsistency and stupidity by claiming that Naruto only loved Sakura for superficial reasons. Hinata would come to Naruto in his time of grief and throughout her comforting him, he could come to appreciate her for the support she has provided. 

In that scenario, the bond shared between Naruto and Sakura remains in tact while the horror show known SS never sees the light the of day. It’s morbid, yes, but I believe that a selfless sacrifice for Sakura would have been preferable to the ending we’re seeing today. 

 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

I might tolerate NH more if Sakura had died at some point in the war, provided that they don’t delve into the realm of inconsistency and stupidity by claiming that Naruto only loved Sakura for superficial reasons. Hinata would come to Naruto in his time of grief and throughout her comforting him, he could come to appreciate her for the support she has provided. 

In that scenario, the bond shared between Naruto and Sakura remains in tact while the horror show known SS never sees the light the of day. It’s morbid, yes, but I believe that a selfless sacrifice for Sakura would have been preferable to the ending we’re seeing today. 

 

 

I doubt Hinata would have the courage to approach him even then. They could have had such a moment (minus Sakura being dead) during the time after Hiruzen's funeral following the invasion, but no sign of her whatsoever.

[rocci]

It will be much more easier if kishi make naruto doesn't love sakura anymore.
Sakura confession could be the right moment to do that.

[VanitasDS76491]

 

I might tolerate NH more if Sakura had died at some point in the war, provided that they don’t delve into the realm of inconsistency and stupidity by claiming that Naruto only loved Sakura for superficial reasons. Hinata would come to Naruto in his time of grief and throughout her comforting him, he could come to appreciate her for the support she has provided. 

In that scenario, the bond shared between Naruto and Sakura remains in tact while the horror show known SS never sees the light the of day. It’s morbid, yes, but I believe that a selfless sacrifice for Sakura would have been preferable to the ending we’re seeing today. 

 

 

That would be better than what we got but I don't think naruto would move on to Hinata but maybe else maybe Ino since she knew Sakura better than anyone. Hinata wouldn't have done anything since where was she when Naruto was getting over Jiraya's death. At Least let have Sakura have a Heroic death unlike Obtio but more like Thorin or Boromir form the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings or Supergirl form Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[rocci]

@vanitas
If sakura dead, naruto will move on to Hinata.

[Nostradamus]

@vanitas
If sakura dead, naruto will move on to Hinata.

Why not pick another girl or even a guy or even just stay single?

Seriously any one of those options is a better option than Hinata.

Edited by Nostradamus, 29 December 2015 - 03:48 PM.

[Ryriena]

@vanitas
If sakura dead, naruto will move on to Hinata.

Why does he have to move on to Hinata of all people she bearly spoke with him. Hell, Ino had more screen time with him than Hinata did in the manga.

[Hanabi]

Why does he have to move on to Hinata of all people she bearly spoke with him. Hell, Ino had more screen time with him than Hinata did in the manga.

i can't recall a ino-naruto interaction thou

[Bail o' Lies]

i can't recall a ino-naruto interaction thou

If kishi were to go with Sakura dead. A Naruto Ino interaction would be bound to happen since she was Sakura best friend, her former protector, her initial role model, and rival. Let's face it if hinata tried having a moment with Naruto after Sakura's death where she tried to comfort him it would come off as incredibly hollow. Also come off as her taking advantage of the fact her main obstacle is gone. That why neji had to die in the manga because that is one of the few people she has any connection with that also have a connection with Naruto(other then kiba).

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 29 December 2015 - 04:36 PM.

[DeathGodMack]

If kishi were to go with Sakura dead. A Naruto Ino interaction would be bound to happen since she was Sakura best friend, her former protector, her initial role model, and rival. Let's face it if hinata tried having a moment with Naruto after Sakura's death where she tried to comfort him it would come off as incredibly hollow. Also come off as her taking advantage of the fact her main obstacle is gone. That why neji had to die in the manga because that is one of the few people she has any connection with that also have a connection with Naruto(other then kiba).

But does Hinata even know that they love each other? Why does the other side keep saying that Sakura's confession was fake when it wasn't. When Naruto said she was lying he has talking about what she said about sasuke. Also i believe Sakura was asking Naruto not telling him and since he didn't say anything(Sp and/or who ever forced him to not say otherwise) she ran with it, that he only loved her because of his rivalry with sasuke. Even though sai and a number of others would of told her that was false.Also she didn't have any reason to question it,since he kept trying to bring sasuke back even though she and the others accepted him as a criminal, and and because she wanted to kill him to free Naruto for the POAL. But he kept trying to bring Sasuke back because he knew that would make her happy. Naruto not telling Sakura the he loved her not because of Sasuke was the downfall of our ship. Sakura is so shallow,can't even notice a guy who is willing to do anything to make her happy.

Edited by DeathGodMack, 29 December 2015 - 06:02 PM.

[Nostradamus]

But does Hinata even know that they love each other? Why does the other side keep saying that Sakura's confession was fake when it wasn't. When Naruto said she was lying he has talking about what she said about sasuke. Also i believe Sakura was asking Naruto not telling him and since he didn't say anything(Sp and/or who ever forced him to not say otherwise) she ran with it, that he only loved her because of his rivalry with sasuke. Even though sai and a number of others would of told her that was false.Also she didn't have any reason to question it,since he kept trying to bring sasuke back even though she and the others accepted him as a criminal, and and because she wanted to kill him to free Naruto for the POAL. But he kept trying to bring Sasuke back because he knew that would make her happy. Naruto not telling Sakura the he loved her not because of Sasuke was the downfall of our ship. Sakura is so shallow,can't even notice a guy who is willing to do anything to make her happy.

Hinata never cared. That has always been her character. She only cared about herself.