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#11921 kirabook

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Mar 4 2013, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If he ever gets with Hinata, I think he will break up with her. He would be lying to himself which is why I can't see it happening, one thing I like about the guy is that he's always true to himself. But if he somehow ends up in a relationship with her, he will end it. It's like he has a shell of a secret, it will grow, and one day it's gonna crack if he doesn't let it out.


I agree, it probably would end up that way. But while the relationship is on, no matter how long or short it is, I just don't think Naruto would cheat.

P.S: I don't believe the NH pairing is possible or would make sense. I feel that I must say, again, this is speculation. Not just for Hinata, but for anyone other than Sakura.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:43 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 4 2013, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this pictures is from the official english translations of these chapters, right?!

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What about Hinata's speech ?
I want to read official translation of her "stop chasing after him".


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 5 2013, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He used the same justificative for rejecting Sakura(because he believed she still had feelings for Sasuke) it would be hypocrite this is the reason why NH cant happen only because of Hinata.

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I also believe Naruto is the reason why NH can never happen. Because he would never be with a girl, when he's in love with somebody else.

Btw, I wonder what those black lines are.....

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 5 2013, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By that I mean he wouldn't act on any feelings he may still have for her if he did still love her.

I am not a person that believes someone can love one person at a time and one person only. That is why I believe Sakura loves both boys presently and that it is a matter of who she loves more, not which she loves and which she doesn't.

If Naruto were to get with Hinata, he would have to love her. That won't mean he doesn't love Sakura anymore, but it also means he would never act on his feelings towards Sakura if he's with Hinata (who we assume he loves as well in this situation). Naruto wouldn't cheat on Hinata because apparently, in this scenario, he loves Hinata more than Sakura, therefore, his feelings for Sakura would be kept to himself. I'm not saying he wouldn't tell Sakura he loved her at one point in time(I'm sure he'd have to confess to her even if he got with someone else) I'm saying he wouldn't hit on her when he's walking down the street if he's with Hinata for example.

This doesn't make sense you think? Of course it doesn't! tongue.gif It's hard to make Naruto and Hinata's relationship make sense because Sakura is an important part of Naruto's character. We can only speculate how he would behave if he did somehow, someway, got with Hinata. Based on his character, he would never cheat on Hinata, even if he loved Sakura still.

The idea of a person falling in love with two people at the same time makes sense(although, personally I don't believe this). The only trouble I'm having is associating that idea with Naruto. It just seems completely out of character for him. Either one girl is friendship love, and the other girl is romantic love. But that's just my opinion.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

Somehow, I get the feeling that Naruto would become another Jiraiya if he couldn't get Sakura. I mean didn't Bakuman do that? You may think it's sounds crazy and why not go to another person, but in someway, it goes to show you how strong his love for her. I mean long time ago, I didn't know Jiraiya loves (note: not past tense) Tsunade, but it's just his life was full of failure moments and yeah, when he lost to Pain, he even thought the same that not one good thing he has done. Fortunately, Naruto's part is what he did good. Anyway, I just don't think Kishi would make Naruto move on and so, he will win her heart. It's just how is going to happen that makes it a mystery.

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#11925 kirabook

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:03 PM

Jiraiya and Tsunade seem to be a very sticky situation for me. I like them and all, but I also like Dan and Tsunade.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 4 2013, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jiraiya and Tsunade seem to be a very sticky situation for me. I like them and all, but I also like Dan and Tsunade.

It quite reminds me of that filler paralleling Naruhina when that woman asked Jiraiya with a marriage proposal and he declined because he loved Tsunade despite knowing that things would never work out with her.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:14 PM

I'm neutral to Dan and Tsunade. She obviously loved him and he loved her, but I never saw their development. We didn't get any spesific details, but I don't think they have that chemistry that makes their relationship whole. I even think their bond is built upon the loss of their kid siblings, even if there's probably more than meets the eye. They're just not unique..he died..she was broken. I don't think we're supposed to ship them. Dan was kind, so Tsunade didn't need to go all tsundere with him, but I prefer tsundere types to be with the reckless "baka" types. That's just my bias opinion of course, but I think reckless idiots x tsunderes cherish their personality together. wot.gif Funny, I still like Minato and Kushina together, I can't imagine him making Kushina mad, he probably just calmed her down when needed. pinch.gif

It's sad we never found out who Tsunade would choose. dry.gif Dan or Jiraiya? I'm not sure.

Edited by sushi., 04 March 2013 - 05:15 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 4 2013, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It quite reminds me of that filler paralleling Naruhina when that woman asked Jiraiya with a marriage proposal and he declined because he loved Tsunade despite knowing that things would never work out with her.

Well yeah, something like that. I really think Naruto will be like that if he fails of course.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Mar 4 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm neutral to Dan and Tsunade. She obviously loved him and he loved her, but I never saw their development. We didn't get any spesific details, but I don't think they have that chemistry that makes their relationship whole. I even think their bond is built upon the loss of their kid siblings, even if there's probably more than meets the eye. They're just not unique..he died..she was broken. I don't think we're supposed to ship them. Dan was kind, so Tsunade didn't need to go all tsundere with him, but I prefer tsundere types to be with the reckless "baka" types. That's just my bias opinion of course, but I think reckless idiots x tsunderes cherish their personality together. wot.gif Funny, I still like Minato and Kushina together, I can't imagine him making Kushina mad, he probably just calmed her down when needed. pinch.gif

It's sad we never found out who Tsunade would choose. dry.gif Dan or Jiraiya?
I'm not sure.

Well about Dan and Jiraiyia is much like if we pick Sakura/Rin and make her choose between Naruto and Obito(on the same age).

Jiraiya could never be better than Dan because they were much alike ofc we ddidnt had a background of Dan but he was like Jiraiya on ideals and personality.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Mar 4 2013, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm neutral to Dan and Tsunade. She obviously loved him and he loved her, but I never saw their development. We didn't get any spesific details, but I don't think they have that chemistry that makes their relationship whole. I even think their bond is built upon the loss of their kid siblings, even if there's probably more than meets the eye. They're just not unique..he died..she was broken. I don't think we're supposed to ship them. Dan was kind, so Tsunade didn't need to go all tsundere with him, but I prefer tsundere types to be with the reckless "baka" types. That's just my bias opinion of course, but I think reckless idiots x tsunderes cherish their personality together. wot.gif Funny, I still like Minato and Kushina together, I can't imagine him making Kushina mad, he probably just calmed her down when needed. pinch.gif

It's sad we never found out who Tsunade would choose. dry.gif Dan or Jiraiya? I'm not sure.

You know, Minato and Kushina did argue many times and Kushina always win until the very last. Plus the movie gives you the idea that Kushina is the man of the house. tongue.gif Well, it's not too late to hear her thoughts about Jiraiya. She is on the verge of death, so it is possible to hear her recapping her life/regrets.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:20 PM

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Somehow, I get the feeling that Naruto would become another Jiraiya if he couldn't get Sakura. I mean didn't Bakuman do that? You may think it's sounds crazy and why not go to another person, but in someway, it goes to show you how strong his love for her. I mean long time ago, I didn't know Jiraiya loves (note: not past tense) Tsunade, but it's just his life was full of failure moments and yeah, when he lost to Pain, he even thought the same that not one good thing he has done. Fortunately, Naruto's part is what he did good. Anyway, I just don't think Kishi would make Naruto move on and so, he will win her heart. It's just how is going to happen that makes it a mystery.


I also think that Kakashi will feel this way as well. Even though he has even more failures than Jiraiya, he will realize that Naruto is at least the one thing he's done right in.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 4 2013, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, Minato and Kushina did argue many times and Kushina always win until the very last. Plus the movie gives you the idea that Kushina is the man of the house. tongue.gif Well, it's not too late to hear her thoughts about Jiraiya. She is on the verge of death, so it is possible to hear her recapping her life/regrets.

Minato is the man in the house, Kushina is the ruler in the house. laugh.gif
I've got to admit I stole this from a OP comment on YT with Nami just being Nami, "Luffy is the captain of the strawhats, Nami is the ruler of the strawhats" laugh.gif

Yeah, I like how Kushina bosses him around..he's too kind and noble. XD Thanks for bringing it up, I didn't spot the difference.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

Sakura's love for Sasuke has diminished. She still loves the guy, but not as much as she used to. I believe if she is going to have a relationship with Naruto her feelings for Sasuke need to disappear. She can love the guy, but only as a teamate. I just find it weird that my wife loves me, but she also loves another guy romantically too. Doesn't sit well with me.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Mar 4 2013, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura's love for Sasuke has diminished. She still loves the guy, but not as much as she used to. I believe if she is going to have a relationship with Naruto her feelings for Sasuke need to disappear. She can love the guy, but only as a teamate. I just find it weird that my wife loves me, but she also loves another guy romantically too. Doesn't sit well with me.


Yeah thats true.

Off-topic - Is manga panda the official translation?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 4 2013, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah thats true.

Off-topic - Is manga panda the official translation?

Nope, and in my point of view, it's the worst one.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:15 PM

I'd take mangapanda over Viz and Mangastream anyday.

I prefer seeing the most literal translation before the 'stylized' one. When you're trying to translate it to 'make sense', the true meaning of things can get screwed up and distorted. Seeing what it literally says first and combining it with another translation that "makes sense" later is the best route.

I've never trusted 'official' translations most of the time. They just screw things up/change things way too much. In recent years that is not exactly the case, but the trust is already gone.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Mar 4 2013, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Minato is the man in the house, Kushina is the ruler in the house. laugh.gif
I've got to admit I stole this from a OP comment on YT with Nami just being Nami, "Luffy is the captain of the strawhats, Nami is the ruler of the strawhats" laugh.gif

Yeah, I like how Kushina bosses him around..he's too kind and noble. XD Thanks for bringing it up, I didn't spot the difference.

Well, a good captain knows that it's for the best to use the strengths of their crew.

Luffy is probably aware of how capable Nami is so he lets her take charge from time to time. Although when the moment requires it (the situation being dire) Luffy's orders are absolute. Then again even when Nami is giving orders Luffy just ends up doing whatever he want. Actually, Luffy just does as he pleases, period. He never listens to anyone. laugh.gif

Minato probably is aware that generally Kushina knows best so he backs down from arguments, but if the situation is very significant (the decision to put Kurama inside Naruto) he'll absolutely stand his ground.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 4 2013, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah thats true.

Off-topic - Is manga panda the official translation?

More like the only one to translate word-by-word. Viz either go for too straightforward or remix it to the point it's hard to interpret. At times, they do go to the same direction, just wish they did translate it word-by-word. Like I don't like Kishi's good script being butchered to something you hear from 80s shows with barely any good script. That's insulting. I do have volumes from USA and they did change the way to make it connected easily for teens. I mean where did "Sasori my man" come from? Oh well, good thing in NYC, there's a japanese bookstore with japanese volumes of Naruto. Soon, I may buy them all (depends on how Kishi handles the next phase of the battle). I tell you one thing that I'll promise to do: if there's a NS moment in the later chapter, I will so buy that magazine at the store. Yes, they do sell Weekly Shounen Jump. Such a great store. Too bad they don't sell leaks, otherwise I'll be forums' new hero! tongue.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:37 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 4 2013, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
More like the only one to translate word-by-word. Viz either go for too straightforward or remix it to the point it's hard to interpret. At times, they do go to the same direction, just wish they did translate it word-by-word. Like I don't like Kishi's good script being butchered to something you hear from 80s shows with barely any good script. That's insulting. I do have volumes from USA and they did change the way to make it connected easily for teens. I mean where did "Sasori my man" come from? Oh well, good thing in NYC, there's a japanese bookstore with japanese volumes of Naruto. Soon, I may buy them all (depends on how Kishi handles the next phase of the battle). I tell you one thing that I'll promise to do: if there's a NS moment in the later chapter, I will so buy that magazine at the store. Yes, they do sell Weekly Shounen Jump. Such a great store. Too bad they don't sell leaks, otherwise I'll be forums' new hero! tongue.gif


Can't wait if there is a NS momment i'd probably go out and by that weeks shounen jump.

Just bought Volume 60 from viz, which has 573 in it. Seriously are Viz NH fans?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Mar 4 2013, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura's love for Sasuke has diminished. She still loves the guy, but not as much as she used to. I believe if she is going to have a relationship with Naruto her feelings for Sasuke need to disappear. She can love the guy, but only as a teamate. I just find it weird that my wife loves me, but she also loves another guy romantically too. Doesn't sit well with me.

Due to yesterday debate yeah and there are other stuff that come to my mind aswell.

Sakura's love also parallels to Rin's.

On Tsunade's flashbacks at least it's show Dan conforting her and encouraging her.
On Obito's flashbacks and Kakashi gaiden actually it's show Obito encouraging her and she encouraging him.

Kakashi never did something good for Rin, the only thing that Sasuke did for Sakura was on the chuunin exam when he said something about Sakura genjutsu abilities.

On her fight with Ino it was Naruto who encouraged her. and etc.

Rin never had a reasonable reason to love Kakashi, Kakashi never served for her anything other than being her crush the same for Sakura's case, Sasuke never did something to her other than being a crush.

Even on Sakura's confession to Sasuke was totally selfish worse than Hinata she didnt said a single reason for loving him.

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