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#11901 kirabook

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

I don't particularly see anything wrong with a relationship that starts off as if they were 'brother and sister'. They aren't related by blood, it wouldn't be incest either way. Brother and sister relationships are some of the strongest relationships in existence, and if they two parties aren't related, they are often borderline romantic.

Even if Naruto and Sakura's relationship mirror a brother and sister situation, I see it more like how the couple in the Chikara fillers started off (or -insert a bajillion other mangas with the two parties starting off as 'siblings') Their relationship is obviously not completely platonic. You don't blush when your sister offers to feed you (unless you're embarrassed). You also don't confess your romantic love for them. Their relationship is very close like a brother and sister relationship would be, and that's just a big plus in my opinion.



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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:12 PM

this pictures is from the official english translations of these chapters, right?!

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 4 2013, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this pictures is from the official english translations of these chapters, right?!

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Official done by that hardcore Hinata fan and Sakura hater thanks no.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Mar 4 2013, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this pictures is from the official english translations of these chapters, right?!

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even so what's the problem ? huh.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 4 2013, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lmao. For me, it's if SasuSaku happens in canon. Seriously, that couple is so outlandishly terrible, asspulled beyond words, and so forced/amazingly out of character I will never be able to follow the manga/anime and seeing the NS/SS interactions without facepalming and seething with anger over how Kishimoto could go so wrong. Watching it will be a struggle that I cannot even describe.

As for NaruHina, yeah I will be incredibly angry and criticize it endlessly over how wrong Kishi did things but I don't think I'll necessarily quit the series. NaruHina's a bad pairing and definitely an asspull, but at least Naruto and Hinata were friends. They don't have as much damage and don't bring the large amount of disbelief that SasuSaku would bring if it became canon. It doesn't change the fact that it'll be bad writing, but it's at least not worth quitting for.

I love the Naruto series more than I hate NaruHina. However, I despise SasuSaku more than I love the series.

For me, wether NH/SS or both happen, the manga will be done for me. I wont stop reading, but i will completly loose interest in it. I think i would only read it in chunks every view months but only to find out how the story ends. Of course i would never read any manga chapter of the past again, since it would remind me how much wasted the whole story was.

So yeah i think it doesnt matter wether its NH or SS.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 4 2013, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
even so what's the problem ? huh.gif


Hmm, thats different to the translation on mangapanda. Looks like the volume book so it could be the real deal.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 4 2013, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, thats different to the translation on mangapanda. Looks like the volume book so it could be the real deal.


It's the volume by VIZ media... It's different from original anyway but it's as is usual from them... They distort often some sentences, just as mangastream...

So who cares about Viz media? Through they have even a such biased director NH in their studios as we have seen in their twitter account sadly...

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#11908 PhenixElite

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:31 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 4 2013, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's the volume by VIZ media... It's different from original anyway but it's as is usual from them... They distort often some sentences, just as mangastream...

So who cares about Viz media? Through they have even a such biased director NH in their studios as we have seen in their twitter account sadly...

Whats the problem with the Translation? It say pretty much the same as we already know.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 4 2013, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Official done by that hardcore Hinata fan and Sakura hater thanks no.

What's wrong with being a Hinata fan, and the dude says he likes both of them and even posts NS pics on his site.. huh.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Mar 4 2013, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whats the problem with the Translation? It say pretty much the same as we already know.


nothing, it's only that their translation is less precise and also lacking of emphasis

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 4 2013, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's the volume by VIZ media... It's different from original anyway but it's as is usual from them... They distort often some sentences, just as mangastream...

So who cares about Viz media? Through they have even a such biased director NH in their studios as we have seen in their twitter account sadly...


Biased director on Twitter? Is this about the Naruto and Hinata child thing again?


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:40 PM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Mar 4 2013, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Biased director on Twitter? Is this about the Naruto and Hinata child thing again?


yeah, exactly him... USA is the land that have the most huge NH fanbase so...

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:49 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Mar 4 2013, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Have to agree with luffy's reaction Naruto is not Jerry Springer. facepalm.png
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Mar 4 2013, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's wrong with being a Hinata fan, and the dude says he likes both of them and even posts NS pics on his site.. huh.gif


Does two "random" questions asking the same thing.

Talking about wishful pairing talks only about Nh and the excuse is "hinata hinata hinata hinata hinata" x666

Do you really think i wont believe that his translations are biased?
Translators call themselves editors dunno why if they do not do other stuff than mere translation since they do not talk with kishimoto, not even the head chief editor at viz media does not do this kind of thing.


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#11915 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 4 2013, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto is not the kind of guy to cheat on anyone, no matter who it is. :/ I hate stories like that. If he gets with Hinata, he gets with Hinata. Even if he still had feelings for Sakura, he would keep them forever to himself.

No joking about that allowed. tongue.gif

@bolded. Are you implying that if he still had feelings for Sakura, he would keep it to himself, even if he gets with Hinata? No. No. That's just no.
If he gets with Hinata, while still keeping feelings for Sakura, he would be lying to himself. If that happens, I would totally hate Naruto for being a hypocrite. Especially when he got mad at Sakura because Sakura was trying to be with Naruto, when she still had feelings for Sasuke.
He will not get with Hinata in the first place, if his feelings aren't 100% headed towards Hinata.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 4 2013, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Friendzoned. It's funny but at the same time you kinda feel a little sad for Hinata. laugh.gif

Naruto even says near the end of the mission that he always feels like he needs to look after her somehow. This is ironically funny because for all the times people claimed that Naruto and Sakura act like brother and sister, it seems that Hinata is the one Naruto views like a little sister. That phrase about looking after her made it pretty clear.


Yeah. Ouch. When Naruto denied it, he just flatly denied it. And not even in a Tsundere way, either. Hell, Bee's totally on-character here. Only he knows who's in Naruto's heart, so his joke is very in-character.

This also brings me to one of my lifelong daydreams.... Bee gets a peek in Sakura's heart, and touched by how NS feels for each other, he belts out new rap song of love and sings it to the whole alliance. I will freakin' fall off my chair and laugh my ass off if it happens.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE (ramenanmitsu @ Mar 4 2013, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@bolded. Are you implying that if he still had feelings for Sakura, he would keep it to himself, even if he gets with Hinata? No. No. That's just no.
If he gets with Hinata, while still keeping feelings for Sakura, he would be lying to himself. If that happens, I would totally hate Naruto for being a hypocrite. Especially when he got mad at Sakura because Sakura was trying to be with Naruto, when she still had feelings for Sasuke.
He will not get with Hinata in the first place, if his feelings aren't 100% headed towards Hinata.

He used the same justificative for rejecting Sakura(because he believed she still had feelings for Sasuke) it would be hypocrite this is the reason why NH cant happen only because of Hinata.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (ramenanmitsu @ Mar 4 2013, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@bolded. Are you implying that if he still had feelings for Sakura, he would keep it to himself, even if he gets with Hinata? No. No. That's just no.
If he gets with Hinata, while still keeping feelings for Sakura, he would be lying to himself. If that happens, I would totally hate Naruto for being a hypocrite. Especially when he got mad at Sakura because Sakura was trying to be with Naruto, when she still had feelings for Sasuke.
He will not get with Hinata in the first place, if his feelings aren't 100% headed towards Hinata.


By that I mean he wouldn't act on any feelings he may still have for her if he did still love her.

I am not a person that believes someone can love one person at a time and one person only. That is why I believe Sakura loves both boys presently and that it is a matter of who she loves more, not which she loves and which she doesn't.

If Naruto were to get with Hinata, he would have to love her. That won't mean he doesn't love Sakura anymore, but it also means he would never act on his feelings towards Sakura if he's with Hinata (who we assume he loves as well in this situation). Naruto wouldn't cheat on Hinata because apparently, in this scenario, he loves Hinata more than Sakura, therefore, his feelings for Sakura would be kept to himself. I'm not saying he wouldn't tell Sakura he loved her at one point in time(I'm sure he'd have to confess to her even if he got with someone else) I'm saying he wouldn't hit on her when he's walking down the street if he's with Hinata for example.

This doesn't make sense you think? Of course it doesn't! tongue.gif It's hard to make Naruto and Hinata's relationship make sense because Sakura is an important part of Naruto's character. We can only speculate how he would behave if he did somehow, someway, got with Hinata. Based on his character, he would never cheat on Hinata, even if he loved Sakura still.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 4 2013, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't particularly see anything wrong with a relationship that starts off as if they were 'brother and sister'. They aren't related by blood, it wouldn't be incest either way. Brother and sister relationships are some of the strongest relationships in existence, and if they two parties aren't related, they are often borderline romantic.

Even if Naruto and Sakura's relationship mirror a brother and sister situation, I see it more like how the couple in the Chikara fillers started off (or -insert a bajillion other mangas with the two parties starting off as 'siblings') Their relationship is obviously not completely platonic. You don't blush when your sister offers to feed you (unless you're embarrassed). You also don't confess your romantic love for them. Their relationship is very close like a brother and sister relationship would be, and that's just a big plus in my opinion.

If he ever gets with Hinata, I think he will break up with her. He would be lying to himself which is why I can't see it happening, one thing I like about the guy is that he's always true to himself. But if he somehow ends up in a relationship with her, he will end it. It's like he has a shell of a secret, it will grow, and one day it's gonna crack if he doesn't let it out.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:41 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Mar 4 2013, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By that I mean he wouldn't act on any feelings he may still have for her if he did still love her.

I am not a person that believes someone can love one person at a time and one person only. That is why I believe Sakura loves both boys presently and that it is a matter of who she loves more, not which she loves and which she doesn't.

If Naruto were to get with Hinata, he would have to love her. That won't mean he doesn't love Sakura anymore, but it also means he would never act on his feelings towards Sakura if he's with Hinata (who we assume he loves as well in this situation). Naruto wouldn't cheat on Hinata because apparently, in this scenario, he loves Hinata more than Sakura, therefore, his feelings for Sakura would be kept to himself. I'm not saying he wouldn't tell Sakura he loved her at one point in time(I'm sure he'd have to confess to her even if he got with someone else) I'm saying he wouldn't hit on her when he's walking down the street if he's with Hinata for example.

This doesn't make sense you think? Of course it doesn't! tongue.gif It's hard to make Naruto and Hinata's relationship make sense because Sakura is an important part of Naruto's character. We can only speculate how he would behave if he did somehow, someway, got with Hinata. Based on his character, he would never cheat on Hinata, even if he loved Sakura still.

Well i'm going to put my thoughts here, but it's a fictional work and i think on things like Naruto the way that his love for Sakura is portraited i think he cant love any other person.
I dont think that Sakura loves Naruto yet and i also dont believe that a person can love two people at the same time.
Look at Jiraiya per example, he died still loving Tsunade when he had all the reasons of the world to move on.(she had a boyfriend and etc..)
Obito lose Rin and instead of moving on he stopped living and decided to evil and didnt care about the world anymore.

But Naruto's love is stronger the way that Obito's love was, Obito was also struck with the same promises that Naruto did, "protect his friends", Obito failed at protecting Rin.

The only person on the series that show a sign that could change her feelings is Sakura, her love for Sasuke is bad portrayed it's all about sadness sorrow, there's no happiness for her to seek his love, he does not love her and therefore she pointed out reasons that does not make sense her to continue loving Saske, he wasnt the guy who encouraged her, who was at her side, and so on...
I think Naruto's love is destined if it's shown again that he still love Sakura just to shut up the NH fans then their pairing is dead for them.

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