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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

thought to join. So here we go again. Death of naruto haha. I agree with u my friend . But when did he actually said to pick up sakura and leave? When did he stated the reason why he didnt kill naruto? I dont remember.



And@shashank: sharingan doesnt need eye contact . Nlt every time

[Question22]

[Naninaruto]

You got the right idea. As I said millions times before, it must be as straightforward as you can get to understand one direction, not ambiguous. Honestly, I think if it's taken ambiguous, then it must be friendship. Why is it that Sakura on Naruto is straightforward rather than ambiguous like other? Because those "ambigiuous interpretations" are no more than friendship until says otherwise. Sasuke should have at least an interpretation that reads "what is his feelings for her" rather than "Yes, that just happened."

To be honest, the endgame, disregarding the chance of no pairing conclusion, is clearly on NaruSaku and if you fight it, well I am tired and just say, "Whatever makes you happy."

Amen, Thank you for speaking my mind. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Amen, Thank you for speaking my mind. 

No problem. :)

[Sojobo]

I believe in SasuKarin, but I don't think that Kishi did this on purpose.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe in SasuKarin, but I don't think that Kishi did this on purpose.

Likewise.

[sushi.]

I believe in SasuKarin, but I don't think that Kishi did this on purpose.

I agree, but who knows if it's subconsciously. If Kishi favours a certain type of relationships, he might try to write it into his pairings.

 

This moment however, I think is a coincidence. Because it's not something that is meaningful or exclusive to either NS or SK. They're just impressed by their loves' abilities, that's not unusual.

[BlueStarSaber]

I believe in SasuKarin, but I don't think that Kishi did this on purpose.

 

Maybe, but he has done to events looking similar to each other before like how both Naruto and Minato saving both Sakura & Kushina while holding them bridle style so it could be on purpose.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I do think Kishi favors strong scary woman relationship with a strong yet overpowered by them man. I mean how many tsundere relationships we have seen?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Maybe, but he has done to events looking similar to each other before like how both Naruto and Minato saving both Sakura & Kushina while holding them bridle style so it could be on purpose.

Those scenes cant be compared, Kishi has his own set fo tools when it comes to an scene, he didnt do it to draw similarities or caralhos aquáticos, the bench is an example of this, how many romantic moments happened with a bench even on the Mario one shot there's the same bench, it's just a matter fo writing style, he favours some pre set scenes like the bridal save, bench it can be possibly even this moment too, but it's not because it's on purpose or to show some secret hint.

 

 

I do think Kishi favors strong scary woman relationship with a strong yet overpowered by them man. I mean how many tsundere relationships we have seen?

 

I dont think he favors tsunderes, but going on his overall writing style he goes for another type of woman like on Mario, but he has to go with Tsunderes due to the fact it's a shounen despite i believe he wanted to depict another kind of girl but doesnt fit with the genre shounen, has so he just ctrl+c and ctrl + v on female characters, Sakura came before Kushina, Tsunade, Rin(we dont have much scenes about her so we dont know if she was a tsundere).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 December 2013 - 11:06 PM.

[Jake]

You make a lot of good points and now that I look back on it, I sort of skimmed through the B Taka fight so I never saw the part where Gyuki dispelled the genjutsu placed on B. You're right Genjutsu on Naruto won't work because Kurama would simply dispel it. The only thing that makes me scratch my head is if Sasuke decided to control the Kyubi instead of Naruto. Now, I'm not really convinced that it is genjutsu which is used to control the Biju, but for the sake of argument let's go with that belief.

 

Naruto knows how to dispel genjutsu, but he can't exactly do it. For example in the Itachi fight, he understands that he is within a genjutsu and that he needs to stop his chakra flow but even after doing so he fails to stop the illusion. This is also present with Naruto and Sasuke when Sasuke himself shuts down the Biju and Naruto is powerless. Now, even if Naruto is synchronized with Kurama it doesn't make a difference if he can't protect Kurama from the genjutsu.

 

Kurama's protected just from being sealed inside Naruto, in order to put Kurama under Genjutsu  Sasuke would have to enter Naruto's subconscious, once he does that he is then facing both Naruto and Kurama, once he goes after one the other attacks, it was explained that if you can attack the caster you can dispel the Genjutsu also pain can break someone out of a Genjutsu.

 

The reason I say that the Sharingan controls via Genjutsu is because the basic Sharingan has no offensive capabilities aside from Genjutsu. Also this is supported by the fact that Obito needed direct eye contact in order to control Kurama.

[narulsaku]

Ok i got it darkerest thank u.
And@shasank: sharingan is very powerful. We have already seen what it can do.


Hey guys something hit me. Do u remember the sage who created the tail beasts from ten tail. He had all the powers hadnt he. I mean a combo of all powers. Do u think that naruto would get all that power combo too?

I personally think yes as he is an uzumaki he is related to senju clan. He has also sage mode and uchiha DNA( the crow given by itachi). So i think there might be chances that he can unleash the power combo.

[alphabet]

Honestly, I think that's just the kind of relationship Kishimoto likes the best

 

And I believe Sasuke/Karin is going happen, too. Once I found out she was an Uzumaki, I didn't doubt for a second that this is how the cycle of hatred between the Uchicha and the Senju clan was going to irridicated. It vaguely reminded me of Harry/Ginny, and how that's how Harry found a literal way into the Weasley family. Like, this is how Sasuke and Naruto are literally going to become family. (On that note, I wonder how closely related Naruto and Karin are?)

 

Also, how freaking cute would a NaruSaku/SasuKarin family get together be? All those little bright red-haired youngin's running around everywhere, yelling. Sasuke and Sakura sighing and saying that, well, this is what you get when you dip into the Uzumaki gene pool. And of course, Sai's there too, the ever-reliable babysitter. And Killer B, too. And Gaara, who can bring Shukaku, for old time's sake. And Gamakichi turns up, with his wife and tadpoles. Sasuke can summon Manda 2 for the kids to play with and everyone can get a baby giant snake to take home with them as a party favor.

 

AHEM oops, a little OT.

 

I've got a question, actually. Does everyone remember the dark days of shipping NS? Like, right before H&E was opened? How NaruSaku wasn't nearly the popularity powerhouse it is today, and NH&SS were sorta the defaults? I remember hearing that NS was always the popular pairing of choice in Japan, even in those days. Does anybody know if this is true?

[Shashank95]

From what i've heard Narusaku is the most popular shipping in japan. They're partial to those tsundere relationship i guess. They even have conventions regarding Narusaku. I have a question guys, does anybody know abt the united mothers alliance ? Was it a filler ? Choji and Ino's mom looked like they were from the Victorian era.

Ok i got it darkerest thank u.
And@shasank: sharingan is very powerful. We have already seen what it can do.
Hey guys something hit me. Do u remember the sage who created the tail beasts from ten tail. He had all the powers hadnt he. I mean a combo of all powers. Do u think that naruto would get all that power combo too?
I personally think yes as he is an uzumaki he is related to senju clan. He has also sage mode and uchiha DNA( the crow given by itachi). So i think there might be chances that he can unleash the power combo.

i don't think that crow can play any more of a part. Wasn't it used up when Itachi tried to used his Tsukiyomi on Naruto ? Shisui's koto amatsukami was the one that broke itachi's Tsukiyomi.

[narulsaku]

From what i've heard Narusaku is the most popular shipping in japan. They're partial to those tsundere relationship i guess. They even have conventions regarding Narusaku. I have a question guys, does anybody know abt the united mothers alliance ? Was it a filler ? Choji and Ino's mom looked like they were from the Victorian era. i don't think that crow can play any more of a part. Wasn't it used up when Itachi tried to used his Tsukiyomi on Naruto ? Shisui's koto amatsukami was the one that broke itachi's Tsukiyomi.

i think the united mother aliance was a filler.

And yes it was used. But u never know right?its just a thought. If u take a closer look u can find many similarities in between the sage and naruto. Even all the tailbeasts also felt it

[Shashank95]

i think the united mother aliance was a filler.
And yes it was used. But u never know right?its just a thought. If u take a closer look u can find many similarities in between the sage and naruto. Even all the tailbeasts also felt it

hey brother, i'm from chennai man. Nice to meet another indian Narusaku fan. But yes, Naruto getting those powers would be nice but then there would be no meaning to his character. If he becomes that strong, there won't be any struggle to overcome. Naruto becoming the hokage and Changing the world with the power he has now is a true testament to his skill and ability to change people.

[Hiraishin]

@redragon and 咲耶
whoops sorry being late and all
the translation for Sasuke's part isn't bad at all. Although there is a feeling that maybe it's "skewed" to an SS translation, I think it's due to the other things cluttered around it. Such as the bolded areas and and argument, makes the translation look more "biased" than it is. The "love" that is mentioned each time is Sakura's love she is giving to Sasuke of course, and I will say the translation does make it seem like Sasuke "could have" liked Sakura if he didn't turn to the dark side, but they are merely from interpretations from someone else. Since the translation is posted with all the bolded area, it seems like it's SS to me. Sakura and Naruto gave him positive things, but with promise of the gift of power he throws these away. I miss little Sasuke hahaha. Well, I am a tad annoyed at when they try to explain てくれる, because they only explain the grammar point with with their own interpretation in mind, so as Hiraishin put it, it is an over-analysis...based on half of a grammar point.
 
* don't mind editor's note arguments. They mean nothing, it doesn't bring anything to debate because they aren't canon.
 
When some of the Sakura translations for the databook was posted, I think some of the word choice wasn't good.
I've already translated (for Sakura) #1 a few pages ago. 
  
databook #2. I actually think the translation that was posted is fine! credit to the translator.
  
databook #3 @ Hiraishin
It seems like databook #3 is the only one that has been translated by Viz? Is that correct? (Haha, I don't know)
Actually, it's something like "Since she was a child, Sakura yearned after and harbored an impression similar to love for Sasuke." (Or more literally, Sasuke was the one who Sakura...)But, I think your translation is right! Viz translation is also good, except for that part in the first sentence xD. Viz either seems to get it right or just change the words altogether haha.
credit to Hiraishin 
and credit to Paptala for giving the links for databooks, thank you! and for 咲耶 to do the Sakura parts in Naruto's section! Have a good weekend everyone!

I translated one of Sasuke's pages on databook 1, to see if the SS translations were biased or not

 

So, here it is:

孤独な心を支える仲間との出会い
Meeting with friends who support his lonely heart
 
それまで恋や友情に見向きもしなかったサスケは、ナルトやサクラと出会い、少しずつではあるが、仲間を受け入れ始める。
Sasuke who until now, ignored love and friendship, meeting Naruto and Sakura (among others persons), he began to accept friendship, little by little.
サスケにとってナルトは、いつの間にか互いの能力を高め合う良きライバルとなり、また大蛇丸の邪悪な呪印にのみ込まれんとするその心をサクラに救われたことも... 。
To Sasuke, Naruto, before knowing it, became a good rival with who he confronts his abilities, and still, this heart/mind has been saved by Sakura when it was being swallowed by Orochimarus evil mark.
 
仲間の存在が復讐に渦巻く荒涼たるサスケの心を和らげ、安らかな一時をもたらす日はくるのだろうか... !?
Sasukes friends existence softened his dreary heart which swirls around revenge, days he was taking a peaceful moment could come back...!?
 
Here is the SasuNaruto kiss :
がたくななサスケの心を、ナルトが甘酸っぱく、解きほぐす... !?
Naruto is bittersweet and relax Sasukes hard heart...!?
 
And there, Sakura saving Sasuke :
呪印の影響で競走するサスケを身を挺して鎮めるサクラ。サクラのサスケを想う心が、邪な力を包み込む。
Sakura who eases bravely Sasuke whos racing by the seals effects. Sakuras mind which thinks about Sasuke devours the evil power. 

 
There is just the last translation about Sakura that is unsure. I couldn't really read one kanji. So, I don't know if it's "Sasuke who's racing by the seal" or if it's another verb. 

Thanks so much for this, guys! It's very much appreciated!

databook #3 @ Hiraishin
It seems like databook #3 is the only one that has been translated by Viz? Is that correct? (Haha, I don't know)

Yep, you're right! It'd be interesting to see their versions of the first and second databook, but it'll never happen. I believe they (at least the second databook) have been released in other languages, though, like... Italian, I think.

I remember hearing that NS was always the popular pairing of choice in Japan, even in those days. Does anybody know if this is true?

SasuSaku is the most popular hetero pairing in Japan, but (as a user on this forum, ramenanmitsu, who is Japanese, explained), it's mostly shipped as a hobby. Ramenanmitsu and megi (another user on this forum who is also Japanese) have said that it's generally pretty accepted that NS is endgame.

[narulsaku]

hey brother, i'm from chennai man. Nice to meet another indian Narusaku fan. But yes, Naruto getting those powers would be nice but then there would be no meaning to his character. If he becomes that strong, there won't be any struggle to overcome. Naruto becoming the hokage and Changing the world with the power he has now is a true testament to his skill and ability to change people.

u r from chenni. Wow. Hello. Nice to meet u too. I ll pm u.

So now ahh yes.thats also a point to be noted. But still i think naruto need power ups to defeat madara. And besides by getting that power he isnt gonna misutilise that. I am sure enough that those powers are gonna take naruto one step forward towards his goal

[Shadow1275]

 

Kurama's protected just from being sealed inside Naruto, in order to put Kurama under Genjutsu  Sasuke would have to enter Naruto's subconscious, once he does that he is then facing both Naruto and Kurama, once he goes after one the other attacks, it was explained that if you can attack the caster you can dispel the Genjutsu also pain can break someone out of a Genjutsu.

 

The reason I say that the Sharingan controls via Genjutsu is because the basic Sharingan has no offensive capabilities aside from Genjutsu. Also this is supported by the fact that Obito needed direct eye contact in order to control Kurama.

K but the problem is that you're assuming that Sasuke can only attack one person at a time. What prevents him from attacking more than one? For example Kabuto used the Feather Illusion jutsu to immobilize an entire arena filled with people. While that is a less powerful technique, Sharingan based genjutsu is much more powerful.

 

The other thing to consider is that while Naruto and Kurama were not on speaking terms when Sasuke first dispelled Kurama's power, there are two important things to take into account. One, Naruto was in a clear position to at least prevent Sasuke from neutralizing Kurama. The second was that at the time, Kurama had several moments to dispell said genjutsu and admitted to being powerless to stop Sasuke. Now the obvious answer to this would be for Naruto to attack Sasuke, but as we know Naruto is terrible at dispelling genjutsu meaning that Sasuke could easily paralyze him inside of his own mind.

 

Though I have to agree with you on the Sharingan genjutsu offensive thing. It's the only theory that makes sense considering the Sharingan's capabilities.

 

@Shawshank

 

Interesting theory, but Naruto is more likely to overwhelm an opponent with Shadow clones than to think that far ahead. He should have learned to fight like that considering his opponents, but when you have Tailed Beast Bombs at your disposal there's almost no need for it.

Edited by Shadow1275, 09 December 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[Shashank95]

K but the problem is that you're assuming that Sasuke can only attack one person at a time. What prevents him from attacking more than one? For example Kabuto used the Feather Illusion jutsu to immobilize an entire arena filled with people. While that is a less powerful technique, Sharingan based genjutsu is much more powerful.
 
The other thing to consider is that while Naruto and Kurama were not on speaking terms when Sasuke first dispelled Kurama's power, there are two important things to take into account. One, Naruto was in a clear position to at least prevent Sasuke from neutralizing Kurama. The second was that at the time, Kurama had several moments to dispell said genjutsu and admitted to being powerless to stop Sasuke. Now the obvious answer to this would be for Naruto to attack Sasuke, but as we know Naruto is terrible at dispelling genjutsu meaning that Sasuke could easily paralyze him inside of his own mind.
 
Though I have to agree with you on the Sharingan genjutsu offensive thing. It's the only theory that makes sense considering the Sharingan's capabilities.
 
@Shawshank
 
Interesting theory, but Naruto is more likely to overwhelm an opponent with Shadow clones than to think that far ahead. He should have learned to fight like that considering his opponents, but when you have Tailed Beast Bombs at your disposal there's almost no need for it.

my name is shashank man. Sorry for correcting but most people keep misspelling my name. Also back when Sasuke first neutralized Kurama, i don't think Naruto was even aware of the sharingan's capability to control tailed beasts. So it might be a little harder for Sasuke this time around. Naruto is more experienced and not that naieve anymore. The tailed beast ball is a powerful attack but just how long can he keep up with Sasuke by constantly bombarding him with Attacks of That magnitude ?