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[Chucky-kun]

Oh yes you love be somebody romantically but don't want to be with that person
Yes that makes 150% perfect sense
Maybe you guys should read out and think about what you're going to type before you type it

Well, sometimes you can like someone but not want to be in a relationship, whether that be because of life pressures at that time, or you don't feel you're good enough for them or some other reason, it does happen.

[Sakura~]

I don't know. I don't know. I kittening don't know!

I'm so positive of NS happening but that NH tweet got me worried tbh :/ but I'm in denial land lol

Edited by Sakura~, 16 October 2014 - 11:00 PM.

[Change]

Well, sometimes you can like someone but not want to be in a relationship, whether that be because of life pressures at that time, or you don't feel you're good enough for them or some other reason, it does happen.

Love is way different from "like"

You being in love with somebody but not be with them, romantically, doesn't make any sense 

It's like saying "I really love the Kansas City Royals, I'm a very huge fan, they're after all my favorite team. But I don't want them to beat the Twins(currently their biggest rival) in the World Series"

Edited by TheMagicConch, 16 October 2014 - 11:11 PM.

[Silent Storm]

What NaruHina tweet? Because from what I gathered the tweet was merely pointing out aspects of the poster that stood out, like Naruto's scarf and Hinata's pose being different, as well as the text. There was no actual link between Naruto's scarf and Hinata, nor was any link implied and Hinata is not even confirmed to have a central role in the movie. There is no NaruHina tease.

Edited by Silent Storm, 16 October 2014 - 11:16 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

Love is way different from "like"
You being in love with somebody but not be with them, romantically, doesn't make any sense 
It's like saying "I really love the Kansas City Royals, I'm a very huge fan, they're after all my favorite team. But I don't want them to beat the Twins(currently their biggest rivals) in the World Series"

Isn't it more like, I really love the Kansas City Royals, but hypothetically they're bringing in a new manager for the team whom I don't really like, but since it's for the best, I'm ok with it.

[Change]

Isn't it more like, I really love the Kansas City Royals, but hypothetically they're bringing in a new manager for the team whom I don't really like, but since it's for the best, I'm ok with it.

With your scenario, you're not "mad" about getting a new manager. You're mad that you're getting somebody that was part of the team you hate. You're love for your team isn't going to change at all.

My scenario, was that I love this thing but I don't want this to happen that a kansas fan is suppose to want. 

Edited by TheMagicConch, 16 October 2014 - 11:21 PM.

[Chucky-kun]

With your scenario, you're not "mad" about getting a new manager. You're mad that you're getting somebody that was part of the team you hate. You're love for your team isn't going to change at all.
My scenario, was that I love this thing but I don't want this to happen that a kansas fan is suppose to want.

I think we can agree that love is a complicated thing, and can't very accurately be portrayed in analogies to sport teams haha. I guess, you're in the most part correct.

[Syn11]

Isn't it more like, I really love the Kansas City Royals, but hypothetically they're bringing in a new manager for the team whom I don't really like, but since it's for the best, I'm ok with it.

Hm, there's this fine difference between idealistic romance (which is revelant only in certain dramatic literature and movies) and real romantic love. The latter includes different kinds of desires and needs. And such thing as lust plays its role too. But for women love is mostly centered on their need of a stable life partner. And Sasuke hardly qualifies as one in Sakura's eyes. Nor does she lust after him like Karin. She wasn't even in a relatioship with Sasuke to develop addiction. SS fans strongly overrate Sakura's romantic feelings. SS is lesser than narusasu.

Edited by Syn11, 16 October 2014 - 11:55 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm so positive of NS happening but that NH tweet got me worried tbh :/ but I'm in denial land lol

You do know they only point it out, not "What is that scarf doing on her!?" right?

[Change]

I think we can agree that love is a complicated thing, and can't very accurately be portrayed in analogies to sport teams haha. I guess, you're in the most part correct.

Love is complicated of course, but I thought using analogies between sport teams would be a simple way to explain it. Guess not Anyways, when the manga ends/ see how a pairing does end up canon(if any does at all), I think we can all clearly see what all these things actually meant.

Problem with a lot of people is that they look way too deep and way too much on a single thing. It's always happens in the Naruto fandom and has been perfectly show cased in pairings and recently with this movie.  Am I guilty of doing it at times? You bet, but I try not to. If you look at one thing for too long or too deep, you start to see things that aren't or might be there and imagine things. A good example is looking at yourself in the mirror. You may quickly go to the mirror and say to yourself "Well dam, hello there". If you just keep staring at yourself in the mirror, you're going to see/not see things that might not be there. That "well dam, hello there" can turn into "Wow, I never released I was this unattractive". It's best in my opinion, to look at everything as a big picture, but connect things at the end when that picture is completely finished.

With that said, I suggest everybody, including myself, should wait for the manga to end and the movie to be released before we jump in conclusions about this epilogue. 

Edited by TheMagicConch, 16 October 2014 - 11:45 PM.

[BlazingDynamo]

The struggle between loving someone for real and loving someone as a friend...

[James S Cassidy]

-sigh- Personally, this whole thing is screwed up and I still wonder if this whole thing is on purpose by Kishi. We say he is bad at romance, but it is truly because he doesn't know how to write it or is he purposely just pulling drama for the sake of it thus increasing story drama? Not the first time I have seen it and many could argue the same thing happened in Pirates of the Caribbean movies with Elizabeth and Jack. Like all of a sudden out of nowhere she starts having conflicting feelings for him? Yeah, people have pointed out that it really is drama for the sake of drama and not really meant to go anywhere.

I think that is the point. The entire evidence is contradictory because we are meant to keep guessing what it all means. Word play is confusing in that the words can be used in many situations and can be used both ways so we don't know if Sakura's true feelings are still romantic or if they have become platonic. Keep in mind and the history of the fact that Sasuke was never supposed to exist in the first place which makes me wonder on even more things. He is meant to be the rival. He is meant to make things seem conflicted and confusing. That's all Sasuke ever was and that was his whole purpose to the story at hand.

Some of you can claim "realistically," but truly "realistically" is remember that Naruto is the hero of this tale despite everything that has happened. That Sasuke was always meant to be a rival and never existed at all and that Hinata's original role was supposed to extremely in the background that she almost never existed. If the ideas stayed the same with only the way we get to the destination changing, then of course things look weird.

I mean, seriously, whenever I see chapter 693 now...I don't see pairing drama....I jsut see pointless drama for the sake of making drama. I see a chapter meant to confuse us and thorw us off guard and it is not meant to be the obvious. Why? Because Kishimoto has NEVER been obvious. It is always been subtle references or subtle feelings with only the obvious being the "fake chekov's gun." I mean, it seemed obvious that Madara was the final villain and then BOOM we get Kaguya.

I am really taking a step back from this and not accepting anything. I don't accept Sakura's feelings for Sauske because I know there is going to be something changing. I don;t accept defeat because it would be too simple to make SS canon at this point and too obvious to make NH canon...which like I said, Kishimoto don't do obvious. Most answers are usually obvious only after things get really complicated.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 October 2014 - 03:01 AM.

[merryGOflava]

okay guys what did I miss??? What's going on?

[redrose3443]

I hope that when the movie comes out, if Kishi decides to have another callback to the original T7 antics, that Sakura is scolding both Naruto and Sasuke. I would like to see her treat him the same as anyone else, when they mess up and not let it slid, like she did in part one.

 

Also, are we even going to get more sketches, before the movie is released? I mean it's been like over a month. ( I don't really count Sasuke, Kakashi, and Hinata, since we can't even see their full design.)

[luffyq1]

okay guys what did I miss??? What's going on?

just some disagreements.

[BlazingDynamo]

-sigh- Personally, this whole thing is screwed up and I still wonder if this whole thing is on purpose by Kishi. We say he is bad at romance, but it is truly because he doesn't know how to write it or is he purposely just pulling drama for the sake of it thus increasing story drama? Not the first time I have seen it and many could argue the same thing happened in Pirates of the Caribbean movies with Elizabeth and Jack. Like all of a sudden out of nowhere she starts having conflicting feelings for him? Yeah, people have pointed out that it really is drama for the sake of drama and not really meant to go anywhere.

I think that is the point. The entire evidence is contradictory because we are meant to keep guessing what it all means. Word play is confusing in that the words can be used in many situations and can be used both ways so we don't know if Sakura's true feelings are still romantic or if they have become platonic. Keep in mind and the history of the fact that Sasuke was never supposed to exist in the first place which makes me wonder on even more things. He is meant to be the rival. He is meant to make things seem conflicted and confusing. That's all Sasuke ever was and that was his whole purpose to the story at hand.

Some of you can claim "realistically," but truly realistically is remember that Naruto is the hero of this tail despite everything that has happened. That Sasuke was always meant to be a rival and never existed at all and that Hinata's original role was supposed to extremely in the background that she almost never existed. If the ideas stayed the same with only the way we get to the destination changing, then of course things look weird.

I mean, seriously, whenever I see chapter 693 now...I don't see pairing drama....I jsut see pointless drama for the sake of making drama. I see a chapter meant to confuse us and thorw us off guard and it is not meant to be the obvious. Why? Because Kishimoto has NEVER been obvious. It is always been subtle references or subtle feelings with only the obvious being the "fake chekov's gun." I mean, it seemed obvious that Madara was the final villain and then BOOM we get Kaguya.

I am really taking a step back from this and not accepting anything. I don't accept Sakura's feelings for Sauske because I know there is going to be something changing. I don;t accept defeat because it would be too simple to make SS canon at this point and too obvious to make NH canon...which like I said, Kishimoto don't do obvious. Most answers are usually obvious only after things get really complicated.

You mean like chapt 3?

[Kyaerai]

I hope that when the movie comes out, if Kishi decides to have another callback to the original T7 antics, that Sakura is scolding both Naruto and Sasuke. I would like to see her treat him the same as anyone else, when they mess up and not let it slid, like she did in part one.

Sakura: Baka Sasuke!! *shannaro punches him*

I just can't see it...

[archangel]

-sigh- Personally, this whole thing is screwed up and I still wonder if this whole thing is on purpose by Kishi. We say he is bad at romance, but it is truly because he doesn't know how to write it or is he purposely just pulling drama for the sake of it thus increasing story drama? Not the first time I have seen it and many could argue the same thing happened in Pirates of the Caribbean movies with Elizabeth and Jack. Like all of a sudden out of nowhere she starts having conflicting feelings for him? Yeah, people have pointed out that it really is drama for the sake of drama and not really meant to go anywhere.

I think that is the point. The entire evidence is contradictory because we are meant to keep guessing what it all means. Word play is confusing in that the words can be used in many situations and can be used both ways so we don't know if Sakura's true feelings are still romantic or if they have become platonic. Keep in mind and the history of the fact that Sasuke was never supposed to exist in the first place which makes me wonder on even more things. He is meant to be the rival. He is meant to make things seem conflicted and confusing. That's all Sasuke ever was and that was his whole purpose to the story at hand.

Some of you can claim "realistically," but truly realistically is remember that Naruto is the hero of this tail despite everything that has happened. That Sasuke was always meant to be a rival and never existed at all and that Hinata's original role was supposed to extremely in the background that she almost never existed. If the ideas stayed the same with only the way we get to the destination changing, then of course things look weird.

I mean, seriously, whenever I see chapter 693 now...I don't see pairing drama....I jsut see pointless drama for the sake of making drama. I see a chapter meant to confuse us and thorw us off guard and it is not meant to be the obvious. Why? Because Kishimoto has NEVER been obvious. It is always been subtle references or subtle feelings with only the obvious being the "fake chekov's gun." I mean, it seemed obvious that Madara was the final villain and then BOOM we get Kaguya.

I am really taking a step back from this and not accepting anything. I don't accept Sakura's feelings for Sauske because I know there is going to be something changing. I don;t accept defeat because it would be too simple to make SS canon at this point and too obvious to make NH canon...which like I said, Kishimoto don't do obvious. Most answers are usually obvious only after things get really complicated.

I don't think it'll be too simple to make SS canon without anything. They said Sakura doesn't see Sasuke in a romantic light anymore and Sasuke clearly has no interest in Sakura. Even if he comeback good, making that pairing work, with all the drama and murderer attempt, I don't see it simple. Just imagine this :

Dad, how did you know mom

-You know kid, I was back then an emo bastard. I even tried to kill your mom at least 3 time. She finally get over me and I never get any interest for her. But then, after Naruto beat me, it hit me. I love Sakura Haruno. And when I say it to her, she forget about the whole mess and return my feeling.

 

I mean you need to wrote a whole book about how they got together, you can just put them together just for the sake of putting people in couple. Making SS happen is not simple, well to make them happen in a realistic way. 

 

As for NH, it could be kind of obvious except that Naruto never even hinted any romantic feeling toward Hinata and giving up his feeling for Sakura. I believe that in the last movie or in the last chapter, NH will have a resolution, especially with Hinata saying that after the war, she'll stop running after Naruto. I believe that Naruto would either reject gently Hinata or even maybe give it a shot and see that she's not th one maybe. Who knows( 1st more likely since romance ain't so much develop in this story) . NH is not obvious since every character and parallel point toward NS happening. And don't forget like you said, Sasuke was meant to be Naruto's rival, in the same optic, Sakura was meant to be Naruto's love interest. I've got nothing against NH. Only that it lack development and we've got too much pointing toward NS that to me is written in a casino sign with the flashing light.
 

Edited by archangel, 17 October 2014 - 02:53 AM.

[questdrivencollie]

Yeah, I don't think SS is going anywhere. I don't care if what Sasuke did is "better than killing" Sakura, it's simply not something you do to someone you love. I don't care how hard he's supposedly denying his feelings. Him casting a traumatic genjutsu over Sakura isn't merciful--it's bitter and inexcusable and morally depraved. Period.

Edited by questdrivencollie, 17 October 2014 - 03:00 AM.

[BlazingDynamo]

Sakura: Baka Sasuke!! *shannaro punches him*

I just can't see it...

That's definitely not gonna happen Sakura would have a sad face if she did that