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[catsi563]

@catsi-- Wouldn't this be more a case of trying to eat cake when it isn't there?

Nope thats what SasuSaku fans do.

NaruHina fans to continue the analogy take what should be a brownie and try and make a frosted triple layered cake out of it.

I eat the cake Kishomoto gives me, and If I sometimes chew on it a little more then necessary well thats life isnt it?

[maliousdei]

so does this mean their cakes are lies?

[Zin]

so does this mean their cakes are lies?

Lol, if it's not coming from Aperture...The cake is a lie !

[ahmed]

all these argument because i asked if sakura was blushes or no in chapter 505.. ......i will try not to ask somthing like that again .... just kidding

Yep and after 505 chapters so far I don't think Kishi is not going to start now developing NH.

i really think kishi ,after chapter 504,want to tell us NH is dead ....and if he change his mind and want NH ...simly i think he can't ...he make alot of things before that make NH is like impossible
like what Miss Soupy said , also hinata and naruto dosenot understand each other,also hinata isnot the gril naurto can like or love because she is too shy and he is hyper and want one to talk and have fun with him (for Hinata,you almost punch her to make her speak especially with Naruto) ,there alot of things and now he add what (Kushina said in chapter 504)..and also i think Naruto NOT the man who give up on anything (and this is his wrods also )
after chapter 504 and chapter 498 and the developments that is over 300 chapter and the romanticallt moments .....it is simlpy to know what kishi intend to make and simply he want to tell us NH now is dead


also i think if kishi intend by any way to make NH he will never make kushina like sakura by that way...and will never make Kushina and Minto story like Naruto and Sakura by that way ..
and like Gravenimage said before by ,in chapter 498,making all these parallels and specially the one that Kushina hated her hair and look down at Minato in ther first exactly like sakura ..the only thing i can think in it he want to us to make patallel and want to us he is going to reslove the bench scene
i have a lot of reasons more than what i said but i think this reasons is enough to say NH is dead

Edited by ahmed, 27 October 2010 - 10:48 PM.

[ciardha]

Think I see the major issue with the picture. its not that its a solid ZOMG naruSaku moment. Thats not what Is ee at all. I see though a subtle yet direct hint drawn in the style Kishimotos used from the beginning.

In chapter 245 pages 13-14 he uses a similar design of blush and eye line to show sakuras reaction to narutos return.

Similar even to the point of having her clutching her hand over her heart in a rather similar way.

To me it's kind of going overboard with the strenuous objections, when none of us that see it as a ns moment are saying it's a giant moment, it's a tiny but significant moment- for the first time Naruto is showing in his own mind that he recognizes Sakura has romantic feelings for him, that she's not stuck in Sasuke fangirl mode. The positioning as well visually communicates an understanding of this- Sakura's attention is only on Naruto (unlike the others she doesn't notice the "camera" or react to it) completely open to him, no one comes between her and Naruto- even the space between their bodies is blank white space, no building backgrounds even- drawing the eye to that space, their faces overlap, and they are nearly eye to eye (which does subtly, to me at least, remind the readers of the similar facial positioning of young Kushina and Minato as she smiles and lightly blushes from over his shoulder from only a few chapters ago- thus fresh in readers minds.)

Oh and maliousdei not all of us. Those of us that know shonen manga plotlines knew way back in chapter 3 that Sakura would fall in love with Naruto and they would get together. It's very like romance novel plotlines in the west- that plotline is all about the journey of two people to understand and love each other. It's an absolute given they will end up together, it's how that is the point readers are meant to follow, not see derailment in every tiny obstacle. Kishimoto is modest, he writes romance rather well, avoiding or minimizing the points the that weaker romance writers use too much- especially the infamous poorly done and drawn out "big misunderstanding" much loathed by romance readers who want quality stories because it-

Makes the characters look bad- usually woman just looks a bit foolish if it's on her side, where if it's the guy he comes off even worse, like a total jerk, it's a killer for romance build up unless it's resolved quickly and well

Is a lazy way to separate the characters for a while

If it's resolved quickly it can be a positive moment (even though it's a momentarily painfully negative moment) of growth of the characters and the relationship- ala Kishimoto really just from 470 to 474 (and Kishimoto even uses a common quick resolution tactic of the better writers who use the big misunderstanding- male mutual friend speaks to male of the almost confirmed couple and straightens out the misconceptions- when the image of Team 7 shatters in Naruto's mind and he passes out, it's resolved- confirmed with Naruto's interactions with Sakura from the point he rescues her from Sasuke.

Since romantic plotlines are handled in a very similar fashion- if an American reader wants to quickly increase your understanding of shonen manga romance plotlines I suggest reading a few romance novels- especially historicals that feature "fiesty" women (romance keyword for what is like shoujo manga's or Kishimoto's for that matter, interpretation of the tsundere type) and a "rake" or "scoundrel" (romance keywords for a guy that falls somewhere between Naruto and Jiraiya's personality- bit closer to Jiraiya's though, every so often you find one with a Minato type guy.)
Jayne Ann Krentz, under her historical romance novel nom de plume of Amanda Quick writes couples that will remind you of Kishimoto's. Susan Wiggs historicals are also good that way (plus you get tons of accurate social history and cultural attitudes toward gender roles, economic classes, etc...)


Avoid the ones like a plague that describe the guy as "brooding, bent on vengence, etc... (It's likely the guy isn't a total Sasuke type, but it's a good warning he will be the jerk type and there will be a badly done long drawn out big misunderstanding, and/or worst all, possibly the guy will have sex with woman then reject her because he still believes his big misunderstanding- this is the absolute worse version of the big misunderstanding and much denounced by those that do romance novel reviews)

Edited by ciardha, 15 August 2010 - 02:24 PM.

[Hak]

Similar even to the point of having her clutching her hand over her heart in a rather similar way.

To me it's kind of going overboard with the strenuous objections, when none of us that see it as a ns moment are saying it's a giant moment, it's a tiny but significant moment- for the first time Naruto is showing in his own mind that he recognizes Sakura has romantic feelings for him, that she's not stuck in Sasuke fangirl mode. The positioning as well visually communicates an understanding of this- Sakura's attention is only on Naruto (unlike the others she doesn't notice the "camera" or react to it) completely open to him, no one comes between her and Naruto- even the space between their bodies is blank white space, no building backgrounds even drawing the eye to that space, their faces overlap, and they are nearly eye to eye (which does subtly, to me at least, reminds the readers of the similar facial positioning of young Kushina and Minato as she smiles and lightly blushes from over his shoulder from only a few chapters ago- fresh in readers minds.)

And also it looks like that among his friends, Sakura is the one he's heading towards!

[Miss Soupy]

To me it's kind of going overboard with the strenuous objections

You guys are the ones still bringing it up. Why don't you agree to disagree and move on? We don't see a blush, and if its not a big deal as you say, stop trying to push it on us.

[Gravenimage]

I think Sakura was blushing in that flashback picture I guess Kishi is used for putting NS hints and solid evidence that they're the canon pairing. Let's face it Kishi has given so many NS hints it's basically laughable.

[Codus N]

You guys are the ones still bringing it up. Why don't you agree to disagree and move on? We don't see a blush, and if its not a big deal as you say, stop trying to push it on us.

QFT, Miss Soupy. I was actually getting tired of it.....

[Quinny52]

I agree with Miss Soupy here, the discussion's gone on long enough now. Let's move on to a fresh topic, 'kay?

@ciardha - In response to the discussion of a possible scenario involving Sakura being pregnant, creating parallels wasn't actually on my mind when I modelled my 'what-if' scenario, to be honest.
The thought on my mind was that Sakura could still be a few weeks in (around 3 weeks) and still be able to take part in a battle without her physical condition impeding her, despite expected protests by other characters (possibly even Naruto) telling her not to.

Nevertheless, your last comment on this topic was a bit of an eye-opener, I wasn't aware of what happans during that stage of development, so thanks.

[ciardha]

You guys are the ones still bringing it up. Why don't you agree to disagree and move on? We don't see a blush, and if its not a big deal as you say, stop trying to push it on us.

Actually you guys were the ones to bring it up and make a big deal out of your objections- what did you expect the other side to just roll over for you? This is a debate thread on a narusaku forum after all. So it's as valid, if noteven more valid for us to say stop trying to push your opinion on us.

Those that see it weren't making it into a giant moment, just excited over a tiny but significant change. We'd already just added it long to the list of ns build up and had moved on to other topics. You guys grabbed onto it and made it a debate topic, now you are complaining it's a debate topic? If you didn't want it to be a debate topic then the solution would have been not to make it one.

But since you're tired of it, then I agree it's time to change topics.

How about going back to one topic we'd moved onto. Since Naruto is going to continue for a while yet- will Kishimoto have Naruto and Sakura have another parallel with Minato and Kushina and have Sakura be very visibly pregnant with Naruto and her child when Naruto does finally have the big fight with Sasuke, and be present at and participate the fight? Or will he parallel Asuma and Kurenai and have her be early on in the pregnancy and not present at the fight and not have us discover she's pregnant until afterward? Or something in between? (A better outcome for Naruto and Sakura than the other couples is certain- Naruto and Sakura both alive at the conclusion of the battle)

[Insurrection]

Wow past few pages.....now I know why I took a Starcraft break.

[Gravenimage]

Actually you guys were the ones to bring it up and make a big deal out of your objections- what did you expect the other side to just roll over for you? This is a debate thread on a narusaku forum after all. So it's as valid, if noteven more valid for us to say stop trying to push your opinion on us.

Those that see it weren't making it into a giant moment, just excited over a tiny but significant change. We'd already just added it long to the list of ns build up and had moved on to other topics. You guys grabbed onto it and made it a debate topic, now you are complaining it's a debate topic? If you didn't want it to be a debate topic then the solution would have been not to make it one.

But since you're tired of it, then I agree it's time to change topics.

How about going back to one topic we'd moved onto. Since Naruto is going to continue for a while yet- will Kishimoto have Naruto and Sakura have another parallel with Minato and Kushina and have Sakura be very visibly pregnant with Naruto and her child when Naruto does finally have the big fight with Sasuke, and be present at and participate the fight? Or will he parallel Asuma and Kurenai and have her be early on in the pregnancy and not present at the fight and not have us discover she's pregnant until afterward? Or something in between? (A better outcome for Naruto and Sakura than the other couples is certain- Naruto and Sakura both alive at the conclusion of the battle)

Agreed ciardha but as for your change of topic I think Kishi will make another NS paralel to MK (we all know how much Kishi loves paralels ). I can see Kishi making the parelel when Jiraiya was talking to Minato and Kushina appeared pregnant he might do the same thing but Kakashi talking to Naruto and the pregnant Sakura walks in with her hair long just like Kushina .

He can also make another paralel with Kushina giving birth to Naruto and Minato worried about her because he had no idea how painful childbirth is, the same thing can happen with Naruto I can see it now.

[Miss Soupy]

Actually you guys were the ones to bring it up and make a big deal out of your objections- what did you expect the other side to just roll over for you? This is a debate thread on a narusaku forum after all. So it's as valid, if noteven more valid for us to say stop trying to push your opinion on us.

Lol, catsi is the one who brought it back up when there was another topic being discussed. Soooo...yeah. How is me saying to agree to disagree you rolling over anyways?

You guys grabbed onto it and made it a debate topic, now you are complaining it's a debate topic? If you didn't want it to be a debate topic then the solution would have been not to make it one.

What? It had reached a point where people were just saying yes or no without really trying to prove anything. So we went onto a different topic which Kushina was nice enough to provide. You can keep saying, yes it is! And we can keep saying, no it isn't! But I don't see it going anywhere.


Anyways, since I don't think Sakura will be getting pregnant right now, I doubt she will be when Naruto fights Sasuke. I think they should actually get together as a couple and date for awhile. Naruto won't get with Sakura until he defeats Sasuke anyways, he has made that much clear. As always, it is more important that he deals with Sasuke.

[Cloud]

What? It had reached a point where people were just saying yes or no without really trying to prove anything. So we went onto a different topic which Kushina was nice enough to provide. You can keep saying, yes it is! And we can keep saying, no it isn't! But I don't see it going anywhere.

You could say no, have 3 million pages of evidence and still somebody would go: "OMFG SO WRONG."

And then somehow magically everyone agrees with that person.

[Gravenimage]

You could say no, have 3 million pages of evidence and still somebody would go: "OMFG SO WRONG."

And then somehow magically everyone agrees with that person.

Agreed Cloud take a look at all the NS development throughout the entire manga and all of the NS hints, clues and paralels Kishi has given and after 505 chapters so far other fandoms still believe NH and SS will happen.

[Quinny52]

^ I don't think that was what Cloud was refering to, Grave.

Anyway, can we all agree to move on here? The topic's starting to get a little stale...

Anyone else get got something we could discuss to pass the time 'til spoilers are out? I'd hapilly suggest something, but I'm afraid my mind's a little blank ATM, and I'd probably bring up a subject that's already been mentioned and settled.

[Master Sage]

ooh ooh i have a topic, if its stupid or it has already been said please tell me.
Ok *clears throat* What about sakura's fellings on what happened when she tried to kill sasuke then naruto saved her and blah blah blah. is she going to talk to someone about it or something like that. and do you think naruto will give a more positive answer to sakura's confession. Again if its already been said or its a stupid topic plzz tell me thanks.

[dfammer]

It's going to take some "massive" event for our stubborn hero to see that Sakura loves him and not Sasuke,either Sakura is going to almost die to save Naruto or Sakura is going to have to "beat" the concept into his iron skull .

[Quinny52]

It ain't supid, but it has been done to death over the last what, 8 months.

Nah. Best leave that alone until we get further development.

EDIT: @dfhammer - I'd go with the latter. Sakura should get the message across in the best way she knows how. Naruto mentioned about how he and Sasuke understood eachother by using their fists, maybe he should let Sakura do some 'talking' of her own.

Edited by Quinny52, 15 August 2010 - 10:03 PM.