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[catsi563]

The difference is that unlike ole Adolf. President Obama and company when they blame the prior administration have an actual reason beyond their existence, and the fact that they're breathing the same air. Also while President Obama and company might blame former President Bush and his failed policies for the current mess. They do not villify him as some satannic force of evil in the world like certian right wing froot loops are doing to the current president and his administration, and like ole Adolf did to the Jewish community in germany.

Want another frightening parallel? Beck is blaming muslims for this and muslims for that. And what do we have? Mosques being attacked, attempted bombings of one in florida, an arson attempt on one in tennessee. A cab driver brutally mained because of his religion. Attempts to block muslims from building community centers and mosques.

How long before we start seeing what we saw in germany? With muslims being dragged out into the streets and questioned about their religion and connections?

It cant happen you say?

It allready has. Here in America. Thats right, right here in the good ole US of A.

Dont like the Hitler reference, fine Ill bring up a more American reference which is also becoming closer to reality.

Joe "Are you a red" Mccarthy. We had people being called before congress to ask their affiliations, and conenctions. We had accusations and witch hunts which ruined lives. There are people to this day who have not recovered from the stigma of what Mccarthy did to them.

And now we have John "I play more golf then Tiger woods" Boehner stating publicly that when, not if they get the subpeona power of the house. They will be initiating procceedings against the president and members of the democratic party.

Hell what about the Japanese duringt WWII. Theres another good American reference if the Hitler reference hits a little too close to home. Naturalized american citizens rounded up their business and homes taken from them and sold off on the cheap because of the "Threat to national security"

Many of them held in concentration camp like conditions where Illness and the like were left untreated because no one cared about a bunch of ""insert racist word for Japanese people here"".

That is what my point is. Allowing people like Beck. Limbaugh, and their Ilk. Like Joe Mccarthy and his ilk, to just spew crap out the wrong hole with out saying anything, is as un american as it gets. They want to spew it fine thats their right under the first.

But that doesnt mean I have to stand back and let them do it unopposed. Nor shoudl anyone let them just fearmonger without any facts to support it.

Because thats where were heading if we dont. Were heading to muslim concentration camps, mosques being torn down, qrans being burned. Homosexuals being rounded up in witchhunts, books like Catcher in the rye and Harry Potter being burned because they contain references to drug use or Magic and so called ""un christian values"".

and yes that last one is a reality there was a large push from a souther christian coalition to ban Harry Potter from Schools for exactly that reason, and calls for the book to be burned becaus eof its ""Satanic influence on our youth"".

This is completely ridiculous. how many times must we be confronted with our own extremism and bigotry before we wake up? Or do we have to have a clue by 4 up side the head to wake us up?

I want to see this country and its people prosper and grow. but not at the expense of the values of liberty and goodwill and equality which I see being flushed down the toilet by right wing kooks and fearmongers like Beck.

[Miss Soupy]

The difference is that unlike ole Adolf. President Obama and company when they blame the prior administration have an actual reason beyond their existence, and the fact that they're breathing the same air. Also while President Obama and company might blame former President Bush and his failed policies for the current mess. They do not villify him as some satannic force of evil in the world like certian right wing froot loops are doing to the current president and his administration, and like ole Adolf did to the Jewish community in germany.

Everyone thinks they have reason to blame someone, everyone thinks they have the right 'facts' to do so. Beck does, Obama does, you can't defend one and not the other. Any time you try to point fingers all the time is wrong. You can't just pick and choose who is able to do it because you like the person, which is basically what you are trying to do here.

You calling Beck evil, comparing him to Hitler or other evil people...isn't that the same thing he does towards Obama? Yet you think you are justified yet he isn't? I think that is a nice double standard.

I want to see this country and its people prosper and grow. but not at the expense of the values of liberty and goodwill and equality which I see being flushed down the toilet by right wing kooks and fearmongers like Beck.

I don't side with either extreme. The way I see it is both sides want their country to prosper, but go about getting that in different ways. Emphasis on the issues also changes. The moment you look at one party and see them as evil horrible people, basically what you are doing, I think is the moment you become just as extremist in your own party. I don't believe that's right. You say you want liberty, goodwill, and equality. Yet you are ranting and hating and calling names. I'm not even saying this because I support Beck or anything like that. I'm saying this because I just can't help but compare what you are complaining about happening and what you are doing, essentially.

And once again catsi, name-calling isn't allowed...

[catsi563]

When did I call Beck evil? No where can you point to where I called him evil or anyone like him. Oh and to quote what someone else told me earlier about President Obama if he cant take a little bad comparison of himself then maybe he shouldnt be in talk radio.

And NO what Im doing is not what Beck is doing. I am calling into quesiton his movtivations and the path hes trying to take the country with his rhetoric.

Glen Beck is actively formenting fear, hatred and misinformation. He is actively spreading deliberate lies which he knows to be false ((though im sure he believes in it)).

I said very specifically that I dont like where hes going nor the line of bull hes feeding us. And yes everyone does have reason to blame someone else and yes it can be wrong. After all the KKK has been blaming the downfall fo americna society on Blacks, Jews, and muslims and gays for decades since its inception. Are you going to tell me theyre not wrong?

Its one thing to disagree with a persons point of view or political agenda.

I DO NOT dislike that. Im all for it. heck this conversation were having is a prime example. Disgree with me if you will. dont put words in my mouth like saying I said hes evil whcih I didnt do. but feel free to disagree with my points because thats what we can do here.

As for facts well tell me when Glenn Beck has the facts to support his ridiculously ignorant notion that the president is a secret muslim/non citizen/ other line of crap he and rush and FOX have spewed. Dont bother you cant.

[Insurrection]

When did I call Beck evil? No where can you point to where I called him evil or anyone like him. Oh and to quote what someone else told me earlier about President Obama if he cant take a little bad comparison of himself then maybe he shouldnt be in talk radio.

And NO what Im doing is not what Beck is doing. I am calling into quesiton his movtivations and the path hes trying to take the country with his rhetoric.

Glen Beck is actively formenting fear, hatred and misinformation. He is actively spreading deliberate lies which he knows to be false ((though im sure he believes in it)).

I said very specifically that I dont like where hes going nor the line of bull hes feeding us. And yes everyone does have reason to blame someone else and yes it can be wrong. After all the KKK has been blaming the downfall fo americna society on Blacks, Jews, and muslims and gays for decades since its inception. Are you going to tell me theyre not wrong?

Its one thing to disagree with a persons point of view or political agenda.

I DO NOT dislike that. Im all for it. heck this conversation were having is a prime example. Disgree with me if you will. dont put words in my mouth like saying I said hes evil whcih I didnt do. but feel free to disagree with my points because thats what we can do here.

As for facts well tell me when Glenn Beck has the facts to support his ridiculously ignorant notion that the president is a secret muslim/non citizen/ other line of crap he and rush and FOX have spewed. Dont bother you cant.

Oh I get it, you're saying no Glenn Isn't evil he's just doing a lot of evil things.


Doesn't that mean you think he's evil?

Edited by Insurrection, 19 September 2010 - 09:42 PM.

[catsi563]

Nope I personally think hes gone completely Insane. But Ill grant I can only base that conclusion off the observation of his behavior since the last time I watched him full time.

I think hes misinformed, and because of that misinformation hes filled with fear and spite. Or perhaps hes just plain gone round the bloody blue bend.

So no I do not think Glen Beck is evil, and honestly I dont believe what hes doing is trully evil either.

But is what hes doing pushing and crossing the line? Yes it is. Its deliberate misinfomration and in some cases flat out lies that are paving the way to violence and extremist behavior.

So Im going to provide a clear voice on the subject matter and when hes wrong Im going to call him on it. When president Obama is wrong Im going to call him on it too.

[Strangelove]

Cult of personalities...they are mhmmmm

Is not about taking the country in different routes. There is no real solution to today's problems. Each solution has its own problems, whose solutions contain problems as well. Neither Democrats nor Republicans acknowledge this.

As to what i think of President Obama, there is no doubt about it. I think the first half of his presidency seems to be closing down to be a complete failure. So far i can see him getting a second term, not because of what he has done, but because of the GOP's selection of a presidential nominee.

Palin, Romney, and Huckabee will lag behind the younger crowd, while Ron Paul will have an even 50/50 split with Obama.

So Obama can pray that he will not have to face Paul and risking in splitting the nation in half. The only question that is on my mind, is that Obama is a Democrat, and like all Democrats they are certain to screw up a sure thing.

Edited by Strangelove, 19 September 2010 - 10:17 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

When did I call Beck evil? No where can you point to where I called him evil or anyone like him. Oh and to quote what someone else told me earlier about President Obama if he cant take a little bad comparison of himself then maybe he shouldnt be in talk radio.

Basically what Insurrection said, you are comparing him to evil people thus you feel he is evil or at least doing evil deeds of some sort. And no, I'm not saying you can't say those things about him, I am merely observing that you are doing the same thing. I don't need to defend Beck anymore than I need to defend Obama.

And NO what Im doing is not what Beck is doing. I am calling into quesiton his movtivations and the path hes trying to take the country with his rhetoric.

You are comparing him to Hitler. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Glen Beck is actively formenting fear, hatred and misinformation. He is actively spreading deliberate lies which he knows to be false ((though im sure he believes in it)).

How do you know what he knows is true or false? You say he is deliberately telling lies. How do you know it is deliberate? He does give his opinion, the viewer doesn't have to believe it as fact. The same way I don't have to view what you say is fact.

I said very specifically that I dont like where hes going nor the line of bull hes feeding us. And yes everyone does have reason to blame someone else and yes it can be wrong. After all the KKK has been blaming the downfall fo americna society on Blacks, Jews, and muslims and gays for decades since its inception. Are you going to tell me theyre not wrong?

Did you not read what I said? I said pointing fingers at someone over and over is WRONG. Obama does it too, and he is wrong. You defended it, I disagree and said it is a double standard.

I DO NOT dislike that. Im all for it. heck this conversation were having is a prime example. Disgree with me if you will. dont put words in my mouth like saying I said hes evil whcih I didnt do. but feel free to disagree with my points because thats what we can do here.

As for facts well tell me when Glenn Beck has the facts to support his ridiculously ignorant notion that the president is a secret muslim/non citizen/ other line of crap he and rush and FOX have spewed. Dont bother you cant.

We didn't put words in your mouth, just went off of what you said. Perhaps you should be more careful at how you word things if you feel people aren't taking them the way you intend. When I see someone compared to Hitler, I'm going to think someone believes them to be an evil person. Not sure how that can be interpreted any other way.

Nope I personally think hes gone completely Insane. But Ill grant I can only base that conclusion off the observation of his behavior since the last time I watched him full time.

I think hes misinformed, and because of that misinformation hes filled with fear and spite. Or perhaps hes just plain gone round the bloody blue bend.

How do you go from, he is deliberately telling lies to, he is just misinformed? Those are two completely different things you are accusing him of.

So no I do not think Glen Beck is evil, and honestly I dont believe what hes doing is trully evil either.

This makes more sense.

But is what hes doing pushing and crossing the line? Yes it is. Its deliberate misinfomration and in some cases flat out lies that are paving the way to violence and extremist behavior.

So Im going to provide a clear voice on the subject matter and when hes wrong Im going to call him on it. When president Obama is wrong Im going to call him on it too.

Back to deliberate... Anyways, I would agree with you if he really is lying/doing bad things because he is a bad person. I personally don't know enough about him to make that call. However, I can see that some people are worried about Obama and what he has done or intends to do, and for good reason. I don't look down on them for it, nor should it just be chalked up to provoking fear in people. I don't care about his race or religion, I only care about his policies. And there have been plenty of democrats who like to move focus from what people are really worried about (his policies) to the insignificant things (his race/religion) in order to mask the real problems. I also see democrats preaching equality yet not really abiding to it themselves. But those are just my observations. I think both sides play dirty.

[Nick Soapdish]

How do you go from, he is deliberately telling lies to, he is just misinformed? Those are two completely different things you are accusing him of.

In some of his interviews, he's admitted beliefs that run counter to what he says in his show. For example, he called Obama a moderate that made good Cabinet picks.

I'd also cite his show, but that might just be inconsistency on his part - such as his claim that the American health care system is the best in the world and something that we shouldn't endanger, as well as being a horrible health care system that is trying to kill him. (If he was just saying that it was trying to kill him, it might not be a contradiction. ) The Daily Show could probably just spend every night pointing out the contradictions in his show.

[Miss Soupy]

^ Seems like you are talking about his opinions being contradictory. I was asking whether he was spouting lies as facts to promote fear(in a Hitler-ish way) on purpose or not. And I didn't really agree with doing the same thing in return.

Edited by Miss Soupy, 20 September 2010 - 12:06 AM.

[Strangelove]

^ Seems like you are talking about his opinions being contradictory. I was asking whether he was spouting lies as facts to promote fear(in a Hitler-ish way) on purpose or not. And I didn't really agree with doing the same thing in return.

He is spewing fears, some which i consider inconsistent with facts, like the Obama/Muslim/Socialist/far left Christian/Immigrant debate.

And others to which i did research pertaining to the Federal Reserve, inflationary policy. Since its creation the greenback has lost 95% of its value. The value only accelerated when the United States entered periods of recession, in which investors turned towards it.

When it comes to government and the economy, government should protect the value of its currency, not help in destroying it.

Edited by Strangelove, 20 September 2010 - 02:33 AM.

[Insurrection]

Well, I wasn't going to go here but since this thread has not been used in a few days I'll just ask.

Colbert's congressional testimony.

Great or Greatest Testimony in front of Congress?

(Personally I think while inappropriate at some points found this to be extremely effective in providing the punchline. The outrage created by him just by going up their proved the sad state that Politics and Media are in. And if anyone forgets Duke Cunningham before he went to jail did call Elmo in for testimony.)

[Strangelove]

Well, I wasn't going to go here but since this thread has not been used in a few days I'll just ask.

Colbert's congressional testimony.

Great or Greatest Testimony in front of Congress?

(Personally I think while inappropriate at some points found this to be extremely effective in providing the punchline. The outrage created by him just by going up their proved the sad state that Politics and Media are in. And if anyone forgets Duke Cunningham before he went to jail did call Elmo in for testimony.)

Colbert has many followers, so i think it will be politically stupid of Congress to suddenly order the arrest of Stephen Colbert, not when we are going into an election season.

[catsi563]

Innappropriate at some points definatley given how serious that particular issue is. However that said I found the fact that he was able to satirize the whole process hillarious.

[Nate River]

Colbert has many followers, so i think it will be politically stupid of Congress to suddenly order the arrest of Stephen Colbert, not when we are going into an election season.

No. It'd be stupid because he didn't do anything illegal.

Well, I wasn't going to go here but since this thread has not been used in a few days I'll just ask.

Colbert's congressional testimony.

Great or Greatest Testimony in front of Congress?

(Personally I think while inappropriate at some points found this to be extremely effective in providing the punchline. The outrage created by him just by going up their proved the sad state that Politics and Media are in. And if anyone forgets Duke Cunningham before he went to jail did call Elmo in for testimony.)

I couldn't say. I don't think Colbert is funny and I don't care what he has to say, so I probably won't ever watch it, but how does the outrage prove who sad our Politics and Media are? I think the fact that the felt it necessary to invite him "in character" over an issue most people do or should be aware of proves that.

Second, how does Duke Cunningham inviting Elmo prove anything other than Duke Cunningham is ridiculous?

[ciardha]

From the Confluence today:

http://riverdaughter...lks-into-a-bar/

http://riverdaughter...thing-a-canard/

[Strangelove]

From the Confluence today:

http://riverdaughter...lks-into-a-bar/

http://riverdaughter...thing-a-canard/

Ehh...a Democratic party website...nothing much to expect.

http://www.nypost.co...68pY8ssLUfjJQ5I


Just took 2 years, and his popularity level is that of GWB.

[catsi563]

meh republican site not much there either.

Anything that lists Bill O'reilly, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh as positive influences on politics needs it credentials seriously questioned.

[ciardha]

Ehh...a Democratic party website...nothing much to expect.

No, it's a liberal news blog- decidedly not a Democratic party mouthpiece like Kos, etc..., lots of Green party leaning people like me on there.

[catsi563]

made sense to me.

BTW C. Im curious whats your take on O'donnels little dabble in witchcraft.

As someone who knows several practicing Wiccans I was insulted and I dont even practice wicca. Was having a hard time deciding what was insulted more by her comments, my intelligence or my religious tolerance.

[Strangelove]

meh republican site not much there either.

Anything that lists Bill O'reilly, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh as positive influences on politics needs it credentials seriously questioned.

The New York times is a Republican site? Wow...now that's news. It was mentioned on CNN this evening, well i know no one really watches CNN.

Positive influences, no.

But they have strong influences, considering Fox News is the most watched cable news show, which brings me to the conclusion, that cable news show, isn't about news. Is about pundits, no one really cares about the news, unless it involves a celebrity with drug problems, taking a good 20 minutes from actual important stuff going around the world.