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[Jenskott]

WHEN has she see who he really is? Does she know about Kyuubi, the Akatsuki's true purpose, HIS true feelings?! She hasn't knew ANY of these. All she knew was that he was struggling to rise to the top as a failure and that was during the Chuunin Exam when she was remembering Naruto's struggles.

Do you know the answer, Derock: she has never seen him for who he really is. She saw a kid was ignored and a loser and didn't resign himself to that fact. No more.

And I'm pretty sure she knows now about the fox and what the Akatsuki want (Tsunade HAD to debrief Team Eight before the departure. Besides, Kabutomaru talked about Naruto being a Jinchuuriki in front of her). You can see how much she cares about it: absolutely nothing.

Kishimoto used several scenes for showing how Sakura feels about Naruto being the container of a demon and being on danger of death cause of it.He also granted that privilege to Sasuke. He hasn't done that for Hinata (and I assume the rest of the kids of Konoha and Suna had the same reaction than Temari). May it be because she isn't relevant enough for the story or her feelings aren't relevant enough for the advancement of the plot?

And that ceaseless "Sakura took a long time for barely understanding Naruto! She only shed one tear! Hinata always understood Naruto!" mantra sounds like besotted obstinacy. A refusal to accept Sakura's role in the story, and her importance to Naruto like one of his pretty people RESCUED him from the loneliness, has SUPPORTED him through his trials and UNDERSTAND him. In a nutshell, all what Hinata hasn't done.

At the start of each Volume (the published version only. The online scans on this site don't have this or some other things that are only in the published version of the manga) there is a breif recap of the story and a short description of some of the side characters that will appear in the upcoming Volume. In Volume 9, Hinata is one of the characters that appears on this page. It reads, and I quote, "Hinata Hyuga This shy young kunoichi (female ninja) has a monster crush on Naruto."

I have checked my Volume 9, and I haven't found that quote. Neither on on other volumes. Maybe it's because I have the Spanish edition.

Anyway, I have never denied Hinata has a crush on Naruto. But I deny it turns Hinata in something else than a Naruto fangirl, right like Sakura and Ino used to be, and I don't see that it has evolved at all. Check the last chapter: Hinata stands still, stammering, while Naruto fights, and Sakura has to urge her to fight.

When she was a child, her admiration -and her crush was a side-effect from it- helped to her growing. Now her crush stunts it.

[Leney]

I think that circumstances could allow for NH to develop even though Naruto likes Sakura. First of all, I see no reason for Naruto to totally turn her down if she confessed.

This is exactly why I can't stand a majority of NaruHina fics. This mentality that Naruto is suddenly going to forget about his feelings for Sakura (feelings that NaruHina and NaruWhoever, need to acknowledge because it's canon) and fall in love with Hinata the minute she stutters in his direction is absurd.

[True]

I saw this post and start to lmao so much.

I'm just going to count just how many "narusaku" moments there have been in part 2

1. sakura seeing naruto again after 2.5 years.
she asks him if she looks more like a woman now. what does he say? she hasn't changed a bit. then she commences the kittenslapping. i understand her being a lil smitten wit him seein as how he's grown some but that all went out of the window wit his new perverted jutsu. not to say she hates him, but its not like she's in love wit him.
2. sai's introduction
he was insulting sasuke, they got pissed, sakura grabbed sai by the throat. yea u could say that she did it out of concern for naruto cuz he "can't take much more" but come on that ain't the SOLE reason,she did it so naruto wouldn't go kyuubi n wipe the floor wit him.
3. yamato's little bs speech even tho he barely knows them or their situation w/ sasuke.
4. sakura learnin of the kyuubi
who DIDNT see this coming at some point? this is just her finally realizing WHY he had to go thru what we went thru back in the day. He didn't want her pity. his focus is on sasuke.
5. the "date" was on only if he paid, its only a show of her not being a b*tch anymore.
6. her focus through the timeskip was to improve herself so she wouldn't be uselesss anymore, and her main drive was to save SASUKE. she had no reason to wish to save naruto until she found out about kyuubi.she saw neither her or naruto could get him to stay,so she's not going to give up hope, they'll try together.meaning TEAMWORK not ROMANCE.
7. i'm tired of always seeing these "naruto will do anything for her" or "he will give up his life to keep his promise to sakura". dammit people need to remember sakura'spromise isn't the sole factor, nor is it the dominating factor in his quest to "rescue" sasuke, is is own bond with him. he just doesn't forget the promise. and as far as goin KN4 against oro, how was that for sakura? that was for sasuke. naruto maybe dense, and he may very well still have a crush on sakura, however heavy it is, but he's no doormat.
8. the whole deal with the feeding naruto scene was a setup for a joke. dont try to nitpick at things thinking u saw sakura clenchin her fist at sai when he interrupted. sakura remembers healin his injured arm. naruto can'teat properly using his other hand. being a good friend, sakura offers assistance.

really i think kishi is puttin all these scenes in to mess wit people's heads, makin them look into it and take from it whatever they want to, but if he indeed intends to go this route, it will basically make things too awkward wit team 7.

take some time out and re observe the team 7 reunion when sakura is about to attack sasuke. look at sasuke's eyes. what do u see? later on,hesitation? these latest chapters show he does indeed have some feelings towards sakura,mainly because she was the only female to get to now him that well.fact is, HE DID NOT WANT TO HURT HER. he knew yamato was going to jump in front of her. he aims directly for right above her shoulder, which in turn results in his stabbing of yamato. notice he doesn't bother attackin sakura any further.as for his leaving konoha scene back in part 1, sakura's words obviously held some sort of impact. he did tell her thank you after all. his actions during the reunion only cements this point. Basically sasusaku is still possible. it depends on sasuke.

as for the next pairing? naruto and hinata.people can whine n moan about how so far hinata only got a small glimpse and still fainted, sayin how her character hasn't developed at all. SHE HASN'T SEEN HIM IN 2.5 YEARS!! plus she's turnin the corner and LOOK!! IT'S NARUTO-KUN!! OH kitten!! she eeps n hides behind the wall trying to get her thoughts together as to how to confront him, about what? her admiration? she's done that already "when i watch you,i get this feeling in my heart" "proud failure" ring a bell? its obvious whatever she is she's feelin for him is more than mere admiration. people tend to reference these databooks only when it helps their stance,like stating certain ppl's themes for one pair and then pointin out in the character map there isnt a heart for naruto from hinata but there is on from ino n sakura to sasuke and from lee n naruto to sakura so it HAS to be mere admiration and idol worship, when all of this is contradicted in those few frames. hinata's character is indeed more important than others. Shikamaru is the closest to main character on team 10, n team gai has BOTH lee n neji, on team 8 the only one with a solid background, story and theme is lil miss hyuuga. her time to shine will come soon,if kishi doesn't do anything stupid.

basically this is for all the ppl saying that narusaku is DEFINITE. don't rule these two out just yet until sasuke dies, or indeed kishi completely forgets about team 8 which i HIGHLY doubt he would. I for one believe he has been holding out on team 8 action for a reason, when he killed deidara, he's headed straight after his brother, what better way to just happen to run into him than by shadowin his ol buddy naruto? even so when they do face off it wont be pretty for either side. but it will only be round one and naruto and sakura will drag sasuke back to konoha. why wont he try to leave u ask? simple: kakashi and his MS. in turn:he was a fool for leaving in the first place. his sole motivation for leaving wasn't that he disliked his comrades,in fact it is shown that he indeed does care for them, just wit the fact that the dead last was constantly catching up and successfully surpassing the UCHIHA, plus itachi's reappearance and disregard for sasuke in favor of everyone's fave foxboy, plus the sound 4 showin that his use of the curse seal can add even MORE power, and u have sasuke-in-a-barrel.

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Those poor, deluded fools.

[Leney]

That first post only had one thing I agreed with.

And that's Naruto's motive in retrieving Sasuke. It's not only because of Sakura (and it's a bit of a pet peeve in NaruSaku fics that seem to think it is). But it doesn't weaken the pairing at all. IMO anyways.

[Nate River]

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Those poor, deluded fools.

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[Terrace]

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I was actually making fun of the posts that TrueSalvation quoted. As she put it, she had to laugh.

[True]

I was actually making fun of the posts that TrueSalvation quoted. As she put it, she had to laugh.

Just so you know, you are the first person to mistaken me for a female.

[Hopestar]

Very interesting and I agree with the 2nd post because it is ridicolus how people still perist that NH will happen. Hinata's feelings are pure admination (and maybe slight crush) but that's it. She doesnt know him like Sakura does so maybe NH should stop using terms:

"SHE REALLY KNOWS HIM" "SHE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS HIM FROM THE BEGINNING"

She'd maybe one of the first to see Naruto's potential but never interacts with him to further the relationhip. Hopefully NH will eventually receives their awake up call. Even SS sounds more reasonable (this is why I never debate NH).

The first post, whoever wrote this is missing few other evidence pieces (unless it was written before Naruto/Kakazu fight)
1. Naruto & Sakura were both impress of each others progress during 2nd bell test.
2. Naruto reveal she's junchjurki who carries Kyuubi, Sakura was shock and vows that she'll protect not only Sasuke but NARUTO as well. Sakura begins to understand Naruto's past and what he has been through during his childhood.
3. Chiyo reveal that if buju is separate from its junchurki then the junchurki perish. Sakura cries in fear of Naruto's awaiting death but Naruto thinks he's crying for Gaara. She tries to explain but he brushes off (forth he doesnt want her to worry about him as he perhaps is hiding his own with a simile).
3. Naruto made 3 attempts in asking her out Sakura reponds the 1st time "ok only if you're paying" 2nd "Instead of dating me you should train your mind" 3rd "No baka Tsunade-shihou wants to see us so hurry and get dress". Let me mind you never once she decline his offer its just that they had more important things to do that those times.
4. Sakura was preparing to feed Naruto since he's struggling due to his broken arm, Naruto blush and become very excited until Sai ruin it, then Kakashi stopped by and ties to help Naruto (which in return was pissed off because he went having a moment with Sakura into having Kakashi & Sai trying to feed him).

[True]

I just need some insight. I was discussing a parallel between Team 7 and the Sannin, and it somehow became a pairing debate.....>__>

Team 7 is indeed a representation of the Sannin, but they are not there exact copies. Kishimoto just used them to show the parallels between the two teams, but if he made them exactly how they were, what would be the point?

We wouldn't see any changes, and just be able to predict what would happen. What's the fun in that? Kishimoto showed how each member of team 7 represented the ninjas they were trained by by taking on some of their traits. The Sannin, were indeed the best team, but that isn't what Kishimoto is shooting for. He is just showing how they are similar.

Orochimaru wanted to know all the jutsu in the world and Sasuke wants to get stronger. They are both power hungry maniacs. With the recent chapters and Jiraiya's death, we can foreshadow the Jiraiya wants Naruto to accomplish everything he failed to do, (i.e. Be an awesome ninja, "save" his best friend, and get the girl that he always wanted (Tsunade)). Then we have Tsunade, who taught Sakura how to become stronger and keep up with her male teammates.

They are not exact clone copies, just representations. Will they ever be a team again? I don't know. I personally believe that Naruto will succeed in all the goals that Jiraiya wanted him to accomplish. He will become Hokage, "save" Sasuke (though I believe he will be the tragic hero and die), and get with Sakura.

I like Team 7 because they are all my favorite characters, and it would be great to see them work together. Maybe in the end, with all that is going on with Akatsuki, Kabutomaru, and Danzou, there might be another Great Ninja War, and we could see Team 7 working together then. They are the most important team out of the Rookie 9 and Team Gai. Kishimoto develops (and is developing) their characters the most out of all the others.

there is only one thing to truesalvations point that i disagree with and that is that naruto will end up with sakura...that's just ridiculous!

why would kishi have sakura go through all the trouble of telling sasuke that she loves him and would rather be with him than let him go all alone to orochimaru?...i think that sakura will end up as a major catalyst for sasukes return because of her love for him, its the one thing that sasuke seems to have lacked since his families death

and why would hinata constantly show an obvious crush on naruto since the beginning if she wasnt meant for him?...there is more to her fascination with him than just admiration...these things are obvious for a reason, lol

shikamaru and temari?
naruto and hinata?
sasuke and sakura?

you might as well write it across their faces

Why the hell do you have to turn this into a pairing debate? I gave you what I would see happening based on what Kishimoto has given us, with the recent chapters of Jiraiya clearly wanting Naruto to be his successor in all the tasks he failed to accomplish. The Life of Uzamaki Naruto ring a bell anywhere? It is going to be a cliche, hero getting what he wants in the end.

As for your "points" let me just debrief them. Sakura's loves Sasuke? Ummm from what Kishimoto wrote about her character it was nothing more than a selfish crush.
Heres your evidence: Ch. 25
Hinata's crush on Naruto? From what the databook says (which is written by Kishimoto himself), in which hearts represent crushes, I don't see one connecting Hinata to Naruto Databook


I answered the OP by saying that Team 7 is not an exact representation of the Sannin, but they have close parallels. Sasuke shares similarities with Orochimaru, Sakrua shares some with Tsunade, and Naruto clearly does so with Jiraiya. Kishimoto wants Team 7 to succeed where the Sannin failed. Will everything be the same? Of course not. But the similarities are definitely there and we will see more of them. Now please get back on the OP and stop making pointless arguments that aren't going to be going anywhere.

My My i had no idea that my comment would generate such an uproar amongst my fellow readers...tisk tisk

Let me apologize in advance for the thread turning in a new direction, however i can not have the obvious go unnoticed reaguardless of what traditional anime/manga writers have produced.

sakura does'nt love sasuke you say?....and that its merely a selfish crush?... i beg to differ.

ex. 1. Pg.1

ex 2. Pg. 2

im sorry but it couldnt be more plain.

and as far as the handbook is concerned...there are a great deal of hearts connecting and not connecting where they should.

ex. asuma and kurenai ...just cause you dont see the hearts there doesnt mean its not bound to happen. it was very obvious early on that kurenai and asuma were an item, despite the fact that they insisted not. the same could be said for shikamaru and temari in shippuden.

and lets not confuse kindness for love when sakura was feeding naruto and sai interuppted... it was because of pity not admiration...and i feel that its very presumptuious for you to assume that it would be cliche....Lastly i never intended for this to turn into a paring debate i merely responded to your comment politely.

Do you like proving my points or something? o_O
Kishimoto said that when he developed Sakura's character: "I think her pursuing a selfish love is pretty realistic"
Ch. 25

Pg. 2
Everything on this page, made it seem pretty clear it was selfish. I'll do anything for you? I'll help you in your revenge? I'll even go with you? Don't you think love should be a two sided thing? It looks more like infatuation then love to me. And Sakura feeding Naruto out of pity? When your friend is struggling to do something, do you do it out of pity for them, or kindness? o_O

Didn't you see what Kishimoto was trying to imply with Jiraiya's death? Jiraiya's whole autobiography, in which he wanted to be an awesome ninja, "save" his best friend, and get the girl he always went after? Remember how he thought he failed to accomplish all these things? Then he said that Naruto is the destined child. He obliviously wants Naruto to succeed where he thought he failed. And then we he finally died, what did he say was the title of his next book? The Life of Uzumaki Naruto. Some nice foreshadowing on Kishimoto's part isn't it?

Kishimoto is setting up all these things for Naruto to accomplish. This just shows how much the Sannin represent Team 7 as individuals. He uses a lot of themes in the manga. The underdog role, the friendship role, and the next generation succeeding the previous. Team 7 are not exact parallels of their masters, but they share many similarities. Even if you don't see it as cliche, you cannot deny the same themes that Kishimoto has been using since the beginning of the manga. Team 7 will be better than their predecessors as individuals. As for a team, that is for future chapters to decide.

[Jenskott]

I was discussing a parallel between Team 7 and the Sannin, and it somehow became a pairing debate.....>__>

Holy Mary... Why all discussions between Naruto fans MUST morph into a pairing debate? Sometimes I wonder if someone reads this comic for the ninjas.

Personally I wouldn't use Sannin/Team Seven parallelysms for proving something related to pairings (even if some NaruHina fans tell it supports NaruHina because it supports SasuSaku... despite it doesn't). Tsunade WASN'T in love with Orochimaru, and Dan and Sasuke are nothing alike. Jiraiya didn't achieve Tsunade's love, but I consider clear he was still in love with her.

there is only one thing to truesalvations point that i disagree with and that is that naruto will end up with sakura...that's just ridiculous!

I don't see why it's ridiculous, and I suspect it has nothing to do with the debate.

why would kishi have sakura go through all the trouble of telling sasuke that she loves him and would rather be with him than let him go all alone to orochimaru?

Why Kishimoto would Naruto go through all the trouble of Naruto chasing openly Sakura?

And if you ask me... Let's see: Sakura finally yells at Sasuke she's in love with him (not that she washiding it). He ignores her desperate pleas and leaves, showing he puts his desires and goals above her feelings. The next day, she pleas Naruto and he shows her he's willing putting her feelings above his own wantings, needs and goals.

To a SasuSaku fan, Sakura's confession's scene is an emotional moment. To me, that scene isn't a proof or hint of SasuSaku will happen, but the moment where maybe SasuSaku died. Sakura wanting visiting Naruto before Sasuke, never stating or pondering again her feelings towards Sasuke anymore, and always talking about saving their two teammates reaffirm my position.

And again I am remembered because I don't set foot on Naruto's fandom outside this board.

[Nate River]

I was actually making fun of the posts that TrueSalvation quoted. As she put it, she had to laugh.

Precisely.

Those rules not only refer to posters and posts here, but posters and post from other boards. We don't want an interforum war anymore than we want an intraforum one. There are also rules regarding cross board behavior.

[Terrace]

Precisely.

Those rules not only refer to posters and posts here, but posters and post from other boards. We don't want an interforum war anymore than we want an intraforum one. There are also rules regarding cross board behavior.

I must have missed something while reading the rules...

[Nate River]

There is a rule regarding forum to forum contact. It doesn't prohibit what you did specifically, but the spirit of it is applicable here. Its purpose is to help prevent cross forum wars. In any case, our rules regarding bashing apply even to arguments obtained elsewhere for the reason that we don't want any forum to forum war to break out.

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[naruto_han]

i wanna know how all sasusaku shippers seem to think the words thankyou translate to i love you to but coming with me would endanger you

also since naruto failed his exam 3 times how the heck is he one of the younger members of his class ( i know off topic sry)

Edited by naruto_han, 02 March 2008 - 03:39 AM.

[catsi563]

why would kishi have sakura go through all the trouble of telling sasuke that she loves him and would rather be with him than let him go all alone to orochimaru?

I can handle this one no problem. He didnt because she wasnt telling the true Sasuke she loved him. She was telling the "Ideal Image" that she had in her mind form him.

You have to remember that she has form the day team 7 was formed. Seen only this ideal version of sasuke that complimented her forehead and acknowledged her. Yet it wasnt Sasuke. It was Naruto all along.

It was Naruto who henged into sasuke to ask Sakura what she thought of him.

It was Naruto (disguised) who complimented her forehead just as she dreamed it.

It was Naruto (Still disguised) who acknowledged and nearly kissed her.


it was this image reinforced somewhat by sasukes genjutsu compliemnt in the chunnin exams ((evn though hes the one who made her feel bad before the compliement in the first place)) that caused Sakura to fall for Sasuke and lead to the sasuke elaving konoha scene with her.

She doesnt know that it was Naruto all along. And when she finds out the sparks are gonna fly. Sakura may need to confront Sasuke soon about her fellings I grant you that, But the likelyhood that shell waste two and half years of character development by becoming a stupid 12 year old fangirl again is highly unlikely.

[naruto_han]

its narutos fault that sakura ever thought of sasuke as sweet and charming, i dont think the crush/love would have lasted had sasuke been just cool/hot.


grrrr naruto your so cool but can be such a BAKA!!!!!!!

though i admit that also is a defining moment for many narusaku fans myself included.

Edited by naruto_han, 02 March 2008 - 11:13 AM.

[Hopestar]

I just need some insight. I was discussing a parallel between Team 7 and the Sannin, and it somehow became a pairing debate.....>__>

Nice parallels because team7 are suppose to overcome sannins' mistake and hopefully will succeed them in due time. Just by reading your quotes please dont tell me after practically 4 arcs into part 2 NH & SS are still using that damn DATABOOK!? I swear we need to make a policy.

IF THERE'S NO NEW DATA INFORMATION FOLLOWING BY THE EVENTS HAPPENING IN PART 2 THEN THE DATABOOK OF PART 1 SHOULD REMAIN INVALID UNTIL THEN!!!

Okay I'm done with my little rant there....

Kishi needs to finish the Uchiha battle and return to team Konoha since when they return Naruto should receive news of Jiraiya's death and possibly more if Tsunade permits and from then on that would be the deciding factor rather it will NH or NS. Hopefully Kishi will have Sakura confort Naruto (since she knows him more, experiencing alot together, and perhaps Tsunade may've given her that "talk") although he may play NH with this state of mind!

Question: which paring of our 3 favorites here in US has the highest rate in Japan?

[naruto_han]

sasusaku is the big time fav in japan.
quite far behind that but in second is our all time fave narusaku.
naruhina actually has a very limited following in japan.

if ya really wanna talk parings yaoi has a cult following down there

Edited by naruto_han, 02 March 2008 - 09:32 PM.