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[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, Kishi always illustrate these novels from the past. It's nothing new.

[Nar123]

 

 

Also, the novels ARE canon, its even a part of the timeline leading up to part 3, and contains summaries to The Last. If they weren't, they wouldnt be up the official website apart of the CANON timeline, or apart of the new era project. Also, kishi wouldnt have illustrated any of them

 

Sorry but no, a few things on the novel didn't made any sense regarding the official manga (like Sasuke's time of departure)  and kishimoto wasn't part of the writing process of it, unlike the Last.

 

You can be happy about SaIno tho, see it as fanfic or headcanon, no problem

Edited by Nar123, 06 April 2015 - 02:55 AM.

[Nar123]

they are canon. the last is canon and it also contradicts the manga.

 

Are we doing this again?

 

Kishi was involved with the Last writing and if things weren't compatible with the manga its entirely his fault for being stupid and lazy, Kishi just drew illustrations for those novels and a lot of different authors wrote them

 

Kakashi's novel made a reference to blood prision for example, is that stupid movie canon now too?

[luffyq1]

 

Are we doing this again?

 

Kishi was involved with the Last writing and if things weren't compatible with the manga its entirely his fault for being stupid and lazy, Kishi just drew illustrations for those novels and a lot of different authors wrote them

 

Kakashi's novel made a reference to blood prision for example, is that stupid movie canon now too?

it's already been proven that this connects to the last, and little references to blood prison doesn't make it any less canon. 

[rocci]

I see it this way.

it would be canon if kishi himself declare the novel is canon.

this novel is as canon as sasuke novel that cover the period after itachi vs sasuke and before he awaken ms.

and I don't see sasuke novel as canon, since kishi never canonize it.

[RyohkiFan]

Everything in Naruto is a lie and the pairings have to be given justification because they know they made a mistake, like NH and SS, I don't really care who Ino ends up with as long as there a reason for it in the manga, I thought she was gonna be with either Choji or Shikamaru

[TouKen4Life3g]

I see it this way.
it would be canon if kishi himself declare the novel is canon.
this novel is as canon as sasuke novel that cover the period after itachi vs sasuke and before he awaken ms.
and I don't see sasuke novel as canon, since kishi never canonize it.

You're on a roll with these posts.

[Hiraishin]

That diving into Sai's heart excerpt was pretty nice, all the darkness and stuff, but I still don't understand what made Ino so desperate to save him, and I still don't think Saiino should have happened. Also, why wasn't Sai's brother in his heart?

I honestly think some NS fans after the ending has become worse than NH fans when it comes to female character bashing
Like, are all of the comments here any better than saw7er(or whatever his name is?)

I wouldn't say worse honestly, maybe about the same. But ever since the ending it's been painfully clear that.. there are a few people who.. never truly liked Sakura in the first place.. It was probably all for NS (Naruto). And now they take any chance they can get to denigrate her.
 

I see it this way.
it would be canon if kishi himself declare the novel is canon.
this novel is as canon as sasuke novel that cover the period after itachi vs sasuke and before he awaken ms.
and I don't see sasuke novel as canon, since kishi never canonize it.

word.

Edited by Hiraishin, 06 April 2015 - 05:58 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I honestly think some NS fans after the ending has become worse than NH fans when it comes to female character bashing
Like, are all of the comments here any better than saw7er(or whatever his name is?)

Read my LAP to know my opinion more or less complete review on Sakura. It's the character with a great potential (not exaggerating) that ended with great disappointments.

[ramenanmitsu]

I wouldn't say worse honestly, maybe about the same. But ever since the ending it's been painfully clear that.. there are a few people who.. never truly liked Sakura in the first place.. It was probably all for NS. And now they take any chance they can get to denigrate her.

Yeah, that's how I thought.
  

Read my LAP to know my opinion more or less complete review on Sakura. It's the character with a great potential (not exaggerating) that ended with great disappointments.

But......I wasn't talking about you.......

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 06 April 2015 - 05:59 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, that's how I thought.
  But......I wasn't talking about you.......

I'm just saying, that's all. Not saying "How dare you accused me!!"

[rocci]

Read my LAP to know my opinion more or less complete review on Sakura. It's the character with a great potential (not exaggerating) that ended with great disappointments.

just like this series.

[TouKen4Life3g]

just like this series.

True. Very true.

[sushi.]

I honestly think some NS fans after the ending has become worse than NH fans when it comes to female character bashing
Like, are all of the comments here any better than saw7er(or whatever his name is?)

People are truly bitter, and angry. And blame Hinata. I don't get that tho, she doesn't have her own mind, just like everyone else she wasn't written by herself. Sakura too. Poor girls! I've always understood harsh criticism of their characters because they are horribly written, but people like to cross the line.

[TsukiChan ♥]

Settling is losing a "love" war and pouncing on the next guy because he looks like a knock off brand of the guy you lost to your rival. Matured? She was thinking of Sasuke when her dad snuffed it, knowing that he hasn't given a damn about her ever as well as all the terrible things he's done. She's as shallow as Sakura.

And no, the novels aren't canon, they're not a part of the original source material.

 

Who said Ino lost lol, she clearly moved on from Sasuke over time, moving on isn't settling or losing, in fact what Ino did is the equivalent of Sakura going for Naruto, yes she did still love Sasuke by the end of part 2, but she also had feelings for Sai, and over time she moved on, as it said she stepped down from that race, its not because he "looked like a knock off brand either" lol seriously, that last translation I posted up pretty much kills the ino being shallow rumors 

 

 

Sorry but no, a few things on the novel didn't made any sense regarding the official manga (like Sasuke's time of departure)  and kishimoto wasn't part of the writing process of it, unlike the Last.

 

You can be happy about SaIno tho, see it as fanfic or headcanon, no problem

 

the novels take place like 2 years after the end of the series, and it also mentions that Sasuke left Konoha 2 years prior, although, Kakashi Hiden mightve been a year after or couple months, i cant remember

 

And for EVERYONE saying the novels aren't canon, oh but they are, as luffy mentioned before, blood prison was even in the story, and after i saw that, that's when I realized they weren't just fanfiction. If they weren't canon then they wouldn't be in the canon timeline or apart of the new era project. Everything in the novels are canon, yes some things dont add up, but it explains certain things, like how Kakashi become Hokage and how he felt about it during the time and other stuff. They have side stories for a reason

 

That diving into Sai's heart excerpt was pretty nice, all the darkness and stuff, but I still don't understand what made Ino so desperate to save him, and I still don't think Saiino should have happened. Also, why wasn't Sai's brother in his heart? I wouldn't say worse honestly, maybe about the same. But ever since the ending it's been painfully clear that.. there are a few people who.. never truly liked Sakura in the first place.. It was probably all for NS (Naruto). And now they take any chance they can get to denigrate her.
  word.

 

I dont know why Shin wasn't in his heart, it probably has to do with the people that are with Sai now and not the past...seriously kishi should've given him his own Hiden to explain his background, or even give him some insight on who he was, his origins...a journey where he goes to find out who he really is, that would've been interesting, and Im glad as hell it happened honestly, i was calling SaiIno ever since ino met Sai xD I used to ship ShikaIno but it wouldnt have made sense for them to be together, the new shika-ino-cho would need a shika and an Ino, and their clans would've became blended, same for ChoIno, although I never shipped them, now ChoKarui was way too random

yeah I agree with that, i could see they're trying to erase NS in these novels and theyre trying pretty hard to, even making Hinata now call Sakura "Sakura Chan" and with making Sakura miserable as possible, its like they hate her for some strange reason

 

- It explains what made her so desperate:

 

"There was a reason Ino was taking such a big risk to save Sai.

…She wanted to talk to him more.

Sai who always gave such lonely smiles, she wanted to get to know him more and more.

There was no way she could leave him in a dark place like this."

Prior to that:

Back in Konoha, she had read Sai’s letter, seen his handwriting turned messy and chaotic with a grief she couldn’t hope to grasp. In that moment, Ino had felt Sai’s suffering so keenly that it hurt.

At that moment, Ino hadn’t yet known about Gengo or the genjutsu or anything else, but she had clearly thought to herself that shehad to go. Of course, she wanted to save Shikamaru as well, but the trigger for Ino to start moving was Sai’s distressed letter.

Sai, who was constantly worried about the blankness of his own heart, was suffering more than anyone else under Gengo’s genjutsu. There was no one who could save Sai from that other than Ino."

[AHK]

Who said Ino lost lol, she clearly moved on from Sasuke over time, moving on isn't settling or losing, in fact what Ino did is the equivalent of Sakura going for Naruto, yes she did still love Sasuke by the end of part 2, but she also had feelings for Sai, and over time she moved on, as it said she stepped down from that race, its not because he "looked like a knock off brand either" lol seriously, that last translation I posted up pretty much kills the ino being shallow rumors 
 

 
the novels take place like 2 years after the end of the series, and it also mentions that Sasuke left Konoha 2 years prior, although, Kakashi Hiden mightve been a year after or couple months, i cant remember
 
And for EVERYONE saying the novels aren't canon, oh but they are, as luffy mentioned before, blood prison was even in the story, and after i saw that, that's when I realized they weren't just fanfiction. If they weren't canon then they wouldn't be in the canon timeline or apart of the new era project. Everything in the novels are canon, yes some things dont add up, but it explains certain things, like how Kakashi become Hokage and how he felt about it during the time and other stuff. They have side stories for a reason
 

 
I dont know why Shin wasn't in his heart, it probably has to do with the people that are with Sai now and not the past...seriously kishi should've given him his own Hiden to explain his background, or even give him some insight on who he was, his origins...a journey where he goes to find out who he really is, that would've been interesting, and Im glad as hell it happened honestly, i was calling SaiIno ever since ino met Sai xD I used to ship ShikaIno but it wouldnt have made sense for them to be together, the new shika-ino-cho would need a shika and an Ino, and their clans would've became blended, same for ChoIno, although I never shipped them, now ChoKarui was way too random
yeah I agree with that, i could see they're trying to erase NS in these novels and theyre trying pretty hard to, even making Hinata now call Sakura "Sakura Chan" and with making Sakura miserable as possible, its like they hate her for some strange reason
 
- It explains what made her so desperate:
 
"There was a reason Ino was taking such a big risk to save Sai.
…She wanted to talk to him more.
Sai who always gave such lonely smiles, she wanted to get to know him more and more.
There was no way she could leave him in a dark place like this."
Prior to that:
Back in Konoha, she had read Sai’s letter, seen his handwriting turned messy and chaotic with a grief she couldn’t hope to grasp. In that moment, Ino had felt Sai’s suffering so keenly that it hurt.
At that moment, Ino hadn’t yet known about Gengo or the genjutsu or anything else, but she had clearly thought to herself that shehad to go. Of course, she wanted to save Shikamaru as well, but the trigger for Ino to start moving was Sai’s distressed letter.
Sai, who was constantly worried about the blankness of his own heart, was suffering more than anyone else under Gengo’s genjutsu. There was no one who could save Sai from that other than Ino."

It's not the same thing as Sakura going for Naruto because Sakura would have chose Naruto over Sasuke, not chosen Naruto because Sasuke wasn't available. Sai is being used for self gratification and wish fulfillment and that's just sad. I used to like InoSai too.

[Hiraishin]

 
Who said Ino lost lol, she clearly moved on from Sasuke over time, moving on isn't settling or losing, in fact what Ino did is the equivalent of Sakura going for Naruto, yes she did still love Sasuke by the end of part 2, but she also had feelings for Sai, and over time she moved on, as it said she stepped down from that race, its not because he "looked like a knock off brand either" lol seriously, that last translation I posted up pretty much kills the ino being shallow rumors 
 
 
the novels take place like 2 years after the end of the series, and it also mentions that Sasuke left Konoha 2 years prior, although, Kakashi Hiden mightve been a year after or couple months, i cant remember
 
And for EVERYONE saying the novels aren't canon, oh but they are, as luffy mentioned before, blood prison was even in the story, and after i saw that, that's when I realized they weren't just fanfiction. If they weren't canon then they wouldn't be in the canon timeline or apart of the new era project. Everything in the novels are canon, yes some things dont add up, but it explains certain things, like how Kakashi become Hokage and how he felt about it during the time and other stuff. They have side stories for a reason
 
 
I dont know why Shin wasn't in his heart, it probably has to do with the people that are with Sai now and not the past...seriously kishi should've given him his own Hiden to explain his background, or even give him some insight on who he was, his origins...a journey where he goes to find out who he really is, that would've been interesting, and Im glad as hell it happened honestly, i was calling SaiIno ever since ino met Sai xD I used to ship ShikaIno but it wouldnt have made sense for them to be together, the new shika-ino-cho would need a shika and an Ino, and their clans would've became blended, same for ChoIno, although I never shipped them, now ChoKarui was way too random
yeah I agree with that, i could see they're trying to erase NS in these novels and theyre trying pretty hard to, even making Hinata now call Sakura "Sakura Chan" and with making Sakura miserable as possible, its like they hate her for some strange reason
 
- It explains what made her so desperate:
 
"There was a reason Ino was taking such a big risk to save Sai.
She wanted to talk to him more.
Sai who always gave such lonely smiles, she wanted to get to know him more and more.
There was no way she could leave him in a dark place like this."
Prior to that:
Back in Konoha, she had read Sais letter, seen his handwriting turned messy and chaotic with a grief she couldnt hope to grasp. In that moment, Ino had felt Sais suffering so keenly that it hurt.
At that moment, Ino hadnt yet known about Gengo or the genjutsu or anything else, but she had clearly thought to herself that shehad to go. Of course, she wanted to save Shikamaru as well, but the trigger for Ino to start moving was Sais distressed letter.
Sai, who was constantly worried about the blankness of his own heart, was suffering more than anyone else under Gengos genjutsu. There was no one who could save Sai from that other than Ino."

I know, but it's not enough to convince me. It almost treats shikamaru like an afterthought, ya know?

[Nar123]

it's already been proven that this connects to the last, and little references to blood prison doesn't make it any less canon. 

And your point is...?

I can make a fanfic connecting to the end of Pein arc but this fanfic still won't be canon

[Nar123]

 

 

 

the novels take place like 2 years after the end of the series, and it also mentions that Sasuke left Konoha 2 years prior, although, Kakashi Hiden mightve been a year after or couple months, i cant remember

 

And for EVERYONE saying the novels aren't canon, oh but they are, as luffy mentioned before, blood prison was even in the story, and after i saw that, that's when I realized they weren't just fanfiction. If they weren't canon then they wouldn't be in the canon timeline or apart of the new era project. Everything in the novels are canon, yes some things dont add up, but it explains certain things, like how Kakashi become Hokage and how he felt about it during the time and other stuff. They have side stories for a reason

 

 

 

 

Sorry but no

 

Canon is only

1) when the author is involved on the writing proccess

2) tha author considers it part of thee story 

 

For example Kishi was involved in RTN but it isn't canon. He was invovled in the Last and it is canon because he said so

About his novels they are in its entirety the work of other authors, they are disconnected. Shikamaru novel says Sasuke left in a week or so, Kakashi says he spent more time in the village, Kishimoto however says SAsuke couldn't possibly have stayed in the village

 

Simple as that, they make no sense being part of the manga canon and even regarding each other

 

However why does canon matters too you? If you liked the Saino interaction on the novel, then by all means, Rejoice, being canon is of little importance regarding your enjoyment

 

Canon is kitten already anyways

Edited by Nar123, 06 April 2015 - 02:43 PM.

[luffyq1]

And your point is...?

I can make a fanfic connecting to the end of Pein arc but this fanfic still won't be canon

just because you find these novels to be ridiculous doesn't mean they're not canon. these novels include canonical events that were not included in the last, like presenting nh with gifts for their wedding. these novels have been promoted with the last piggybacking off of it. with naruto, filler scenes become canon and canon gets rewritten. the last is a prime example of that. and guess what? it's canon too.

 

i'm sry, but it is what it is.
 

Edited by luffyq1, 06 April 2015 - 03:03 PM.