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[TouKen4Life3g]

I must admit, this was different because usually you have the MC reach to the top and perhaps win all of it. Instead, we got Pokemon Season 1 twist. So I'm a bit shocked. Is it the right move? It is.

[Pix]

In a way, Horikoshi kittens on the Talk no Justu theme from Naruto XD Deku literally regrets helping out another rival even though he has helped Shouto. I haven't seen that before... Regretting helping someone out by sacrificing your own chances of winning (b/c normally that's seen as a noble and heroic act in Shounen mangas which All Might indeed confirms at the end of the chapter). Deku still has a long way ahead of him, but he's smart. I know he will rise and make our mouths drop. He can be proud to have come this far. And I'm glad we get to see a MC loosing- it sounds mean, but it's refreshing to see that. I'm super, super, super excited for the Shouto vs Bakugou match. I love this shounen manga. One of my favorite ones next to Gintama and Fullmetal Alchemist.

EDIT: Magi! How could I forget!

This, I completely agree with.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, I'm really liking this series, especially the realistic turn of a event. Less predictable in terms of these kinds of moments. Again, shounen should be predictable, but instead, he lost. It's going to be weird to see the final with not protagonist in there.

[AHK]

Lol Deku literally got made to look like garbage in this chapter, but everyone is just ok with that. 

[LuckyChi7]

The damage Izuku is going to retain from the fight. OUCH. And it's gonna be hard if not almost impossible for All Might to name Izuku his successor now although that showing was awesome. Well maybe I am overthinking things too much. Still loved the chapter thought it was was a sweet moment for his friends to check on him

One For All really must be mastered or Izuku really is gonna have it rough no?

 

It's gonna be hard for Deku to come through with this lose like wow, admitting and regretting that helping his rival wasn't the right idea. I mean that takes alot of guts  for sure. This will lead him towards the right path in terms of character development.

 

By the way, nice sig. 

 

When I read the last chapter, I was pretty sure that Deku would loose :/ But I'm not disappointed at all tbh. He still has a long way ahead of him.

 

I did too actually despite what I would've preferred, but ultimately this is good because he'll now learn from his mistakes, and it's not gonna take him a timeskip to learn that like other shounen protagonists.    

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol Deku literally got made to look like garbage in this chapter, but everyone is just ok with that. 

It's what happens when he takes on from Naruto. Talk no Jutsu don't work here.

[AHK]

It's what happens when he takes on from Naruto. Talk no Jutsu don't work here.

He literally got made to look like worthless trash. Seriously. This is like if Neji had annihilated Naruto in the chuunin exams without Naruto actually doing anything. I'm fine with the main character losing, it happens plenty of times. Luffy has lost a lot if times. Ichigo has lost. It's not a big deal, and I didn't mind it until there was zero justice done to Deku as a result. Deku gets curbstomped and needs surgery, and some of his bone damage is going to be permanent, but Shouto literally walks away like nothing happened.   

 

This talented/natural born genius wins trope is really annoying. 

[TheFlash]

Well damn, this was disappointing. I wanted Deku to win but I guess heros can't win all the time. But I know he'll come back stronger and hopefully he will get a rematch.

[TouKen4Life3g]

He literally got made to look like worthless trash. Seriously. This is like if Neji had annihilated Naruto in the chuunin exams without Naruto actually doing anything. I'm fine with the main character losing, it happens plenty of times. Luffy has lost a lot if times. Ichigo has lost. It's not a big deal, and I didn't mind it until there was zero justice done to Deku as a result. Deku gets curbstomped and needs surgery, and some of his bone damage is going to be permanent, but Shouto literally walks away like nothing happened.   
 
This talented/natural born genius wins trope is really annoying. 

The difference is that Shouto wasn't presented as the genius or the guy who denies underdog. So say like Neji did beat Naruto, that would be pathetic. The storytelling of that character isn't about that. Otherwise, that would leave a bad impression. It doesn't. It just shows you the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[AHK]

The difference is that Shouto wasn't presented as the genius or the guy who denies underdog. So say like Neji did beat Naruto, that would be pathetic. The storytelling of that character isn't about that. Otherwise, that would leave a bad impression. It doesn't. It just shows you the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Shouto is a character that waltzed through the competition using half his power, and was proclaimed as a genius in the last chapter. He offhandedly looked down at Deku in the first chapter of the fight. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Shouto is a character that waltzed through the competition using half his power, and was proclaimed as a genius in the last chapter. He offhandedly looked down at Deku in the first chapter of the fight. 

Yes, but the main focus was about him and his father's conflict more so than anything. Neji started off with neglecting underdog since against Hinata. Deku didn't defend that rather defend on people that shouldn't hold back at anything. That's the story.

[AHK]

Yes, but the main focus was about him and his father's conflict more so than anything. Neji started off with neglecting underdog since against Hinata. Deku didn't defend that rather defend on people that shouldn't hold back at anything. That's the story.

I don't really see how it matters, and the original comparison was what had happened if Neji had mopped the floor with Naruto easily. Still doesn't change the fact that Deku got made to look terrible for absolutely no reason. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't really see how it matters, and the original comparison was what had happened if Neji had mopped the floor with Naruto easily. Still doesn't change the fact that Deku got made to look terrible for absolutely no reason. 

My point is that he didn't lose to the storyline of overcoming the odds rather this became a lesson and more towards Shouto stop being dealt with the past. Again, there would have been much worse effect if the story was him going against a prodigy because why a loser lose still. It's like wrestling, sometimes, not everything is set to win to win. Slam Dunk made sure of that.

In short, this is not what you wanted. To me, this is what the story wanted, with him losing or not. Not to mention, the aftermath such as tournament continuing on without him would be interesting to see if they will skip it or actually show you like the protagonist is still present in there, which he's not.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 25 April 2015 - 03:55 AM.

[Pix]

Well damn, this was disappointing. I wanted Deku to win but I guess heros can't win all the time. But I know he'll come back stronger and hopefully he will get a rematch.

That's exactly what's going to happen. These things just need to take time.

 

Lol Deku literally got made to look like garbage in this chapter, but everyone is just ok with that. 

And he needed that too. Where's the fun of already having a super perfect MC who never loses or suffers after achieving his special power. This is exactly what he needs to grow. Both him and Shouto learned a lesson from this. Shouto- he's not his Dad's toy and won't let him control or take over him. Deku- sometimes considering other people's hearts as more important can ruin your own opportunity for success.

[AHK]

My point is that he didn't lose to the storyline of overcoming the odds rather this became a lesson and more towards Shouto stop being dealt with the past. Again, there would have been much worse effect if the story was him going against a prodigy because why a loser lose still. It's like wrestling, sometimes, not everything is set to win to win. Slam Dunk made sure of that.

In short, this is not what you wanted. To me, this is what the story wanted, with him losing or not. Not to mention, the aftermath such as tournament continuing on without him would be interesting to see if they will skip it or actually show you like the protagonist is still present in there, which he's not.

Like I said, I didn't mind Deku losing, until he got made to look like kitten. 

[AHK]

That's exactly what's going to happen. These things just need to take time.

 

And he needed that too. Where's the fun of already having a super perfect MC who never loses or suffers after achieving his special power. This is exactly what he needs to grow. Both him and Shouto learned a lesson from this. Shouto- he's not his Dad's toy and won't let him control or take over him. Deku- sometimes considering other people's hearts as more important can ruin your own opportunity for success.

No, he didn't need that. He would have been just fine, and probably could have learned more had he lost, but actually achieved something in the loss. He's going into surgery while Shouto walks away nonchalantly. That's worse than him actually losing. 

 

@bold, I'm going to take it that you didn't read my other posts.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Like I said, I didn't mind Deku losing, until he got made to look like kitten. 

It's a mixed feeling because he is in a win-lose mood. If he won, he will be all win. Here is understandable, especially towards the end. What he did was hero like, but that's just in mentality based. In physical, pretty much win the fight, he lost. So say if he didn't say anything. He will just win but what about Shouto. Always stuck with one power and never learn anything. Shouto is in fact strong but he can't be at his peak if he can't hold back and that's what bothered Deku. But if he encouraged him, it will be nice of him; however, if he can't win, then he has no one but himself to blame.

To me, this was handled right. If he has no feeling like this, this would have been a idiotic move. But this was the right call.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Think as reverse roles where the villain usually makes the hero go to his worst aka demon inside or just all out powerful and the villain gets wrecked. Here, it's reversed. It's the hero bringing out the highest level of his/her opponent.

I wouldn't say it's unique but it hasn't been done this way in a long time. Oddly enough, it got my interest more so than ever.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 25 April 2015 - 04:11 AM.

[Pix]

No, he didn't need that. He would have been just fine, and probably could have learned more had he lost, but actually achieved something in the loss. He's going into surgery while Shouto walks away nonchalantly. That's worse than him actually losing. 

 

@bold, I'm going to take it that you didn't read my other posts.

No I didn't. And I didn't see it that way. I feel like he did achieve something in his loss. Did he impress anybody? No, but he learned from his own mistake. And that's development. It's the exact same thing for Ochako. Both are very potential, strong characters, but they have a lot of development that they need to undergo in order to become the badass heroes we want them to be. Basically, Deku learned that Talk no Jutsu is not a cure all. 

 

And as for Shouto, it doesn't really matter if he walked away nonchalantly or not. In the end, he got something out of this. He finally broke away from his father's chains- which could possibly save him from becoming an outright villain. And now, like he said, he needs time to think. But I'll admit, I was expecting more emotion from him. Maybe he was saving face? Idk.

[AHK]

No I didn't. And I didn't see it that way. I feel like he did achieve something in his loss. Did he impress anybody? No, but he learned from his own mistake. And that's development. It's the exact same thing for Ochako. Both are very potential, strong characters, but they have a lot of development that they need to undergo in order to become the badass heroes we want them to be. Basically, Deku learned that Talk no Jutsu is not a cure all. 

 

And as for Shouto, it doesn't really matter if he walked away nonchalantly or not. In the end, he got something out of this. He finally broke away from his father's chains- which could possibly save him from becoming an outright villain. And now, like he said, he needs time to think. But I'll admit, I was expecting more emotion from him. Maybe he was saving face? Idk.

He wasn't trying tnj his way out of anything, so the "cure all" business makes no sense. He felt that he was being disrespected and called shouto on his kitten. It's not development that he literally got thrown away like trash.

 

Shouto could have gotten the same thing even if he had been pushed in the win. It's not about Shouto though, Deku got horrible mistreated in this chapter.