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[oksus]

I have my money down for MP.

Honestly, I thought about it, and MP has absolutely no reason to change something from present to past tense. Absolutely no reason.

And MS is very well known for changing their translations.

[Hiyuusha]

Ah, you're right about that Shadow, but maybe that's the point in Kishi's eyes. He makes it an up and down of emotions so that the outcome can be somewhat adequate?

 

Never mind. That just sounds silly.

Edited by Hiyuusha, 25 September 2014 - 11:07 PM.

[六道仙人]

I have my money down for MP.

Honestly, I thought about it, and MP has absolutely no reason to change something from present to past tense. Absolutely no reason.

And MS is very well known for changing their translations.

 

mangapanda's translator isn't a english native.

[lupina]

already happened.

 

Not in the same context.

[James S Cassidy]

So he has to turn her into a sopping mess to get his point across while butchering her character in the process. Just how far is he willing to go to get his point across? Until she's dead?

You know, I have come to a final conclusions that every single character has been butchered. It's not just Sakura. All these things surrounding Sasuke that just make everything worse. When Sasuke is not in the picture or he is not the main focus, these characters take on this life of their own. They don't worry over trivial stuff or fall over like a wet noodle over a guy whose entire reason for living is hatred.

The entire story of Sasuke and the people involved with him is just....the entire thing is crap. The concept is sound, but the execution and how Kishi goes about using it is complete and utter crap. There is no excusing any character for it at this point in time. Even the people that say "Naruto is justified in his views of Sasuke" are just lying to themselves about it. The entire story of this is bull and we all know it. No character is justified in anything they have done in the name of Sasuke.

Like I said, rewrite the story without Sasuke ever existing and you can see the story makes sense, has a clear point, and goes about sending a positive message through and through.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 25 September 2014 - 11:12 PM.

[Awes9]

Good morning.
I don't think you bring bad luck. It's just that the fake predictions will look really silly from now on because we're making fun of others while we ourselves don't have much ground to stand on.
NS is obviously still the endgame, but what's the point of shipping them when you can't admire, sympathize, and enjoy the couple? I don't ship them because I want to win the pairing war. I shipped them because I thought their relationship was solely growing in a consistent manner and I found that to be wonderful. Well, anyways, I stopped shipping them a while ago because I don't trust Kishi's writing.
This chapter what disappointed me was not the pairings, but how he wrote the individual characters.
Naruto, messiah doesn't mean "emotionless" or "indifferent". Naruto is a messiah only through the effect of his actions but not by the way he is. In other words, anyone stronger and against Sasuke can become a messiah by default in Kishi's world. How Naruto disappoints me....he is just there standing there saying nothing to all the kitten Sasuke is putting him and his comrades through. Just because Naruto is forgivable, it doesn't mean that he should be unfeeling or indifferent to the terrible things Sasuke is doing. A messiah should feel angry to all the horrible things being done to the people and then after the fight or the apologies, there will be forgiveness. But nooooooo, as long as it's Sasuke, Naruto doesn't get angry. He just says,"Hey, that's a bit too much!" as if Sasuke just stole soup from Naruto's ramen bowl. The reason I hate this NaruSasu bromance so much is because it degrades Naruto's character so much. He's capable of being angry towards Pein or Deidara, but when it's Sasuke.....sigh......he just becomes a love sick puppy.
And yes, the way Naruto acted towards Sasuke after Sasuke stabbed Sakura was not surprising. Sakura is basically like a silver medal to Naruto. She comes AFTER Sasuke. Never before. If the girl you're in love with, no matter whether she's in love with someone else, was stabbed painfully albeit it not being real you become angry. End of story. But no, Naruto probably lacks the ability to love or become protective when the offender is Sasuke. In the end, Naruto should stick with Sasuke and they should live happily ever after without involving other people in their drama.
And Sakura...I'm not disappointed about her being in love with Sasuke because I don't like her for NaruSaku. But I'm really disappointed that Kishi regressed her character. She's the member of team seven and she doesn't go against Sasuke through ideologies or battle power. She just screams about love in the middle of the battle. Where the hell did her development go? Didn't she learn in part one that she was basically powerless to protect her teammates? It was because of that, that she seeked tutelage from Tsunade. And now near the end of the manga.....she did the exact same thing AGAIN when she swore time and again that this time she'll stand side to side with Naruto and Sasuke. And the comment Kishi made Sasuke say makes it more worse because it's true and it makes me wonder why Kishi is unnecessarily putting Sakura down miserably at the end of the manga where there is no more chance for her to stand up and prove him wrong. Sakura was trolled even more harshly than Hinata when she tripped on a Rock.
There is so much more I want to say. But this manga and the characters are so bad that words aren't enough to explain it. I quit. And if anyone wants to PM me, feel free to do so. I'll reply.
And btw, 六道仙人 is right. It's present tense according to the link Hiraishin posted.

Did Sasuke stab Sakura ? I tought it was a genjustu.

[soraandven]

this made my head hurt sigh... 

[ramenanmitsu]

Did Sasuke stab Sakura ? I tought it was a genjustu.

I forgot to add the word genjutsu in the post.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

plot twist: Naruto is actually in a coma following the fight against Mizuki and Jiraiya's been visiting him daily to read him the Gutsy Ninja. Thus explaining the parallels between Kishimoto's manga and the story itself.
 
P.S. His former classmates visited too.

Don't give any ideas to Shyamalon.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Sakura has been so badly damaged by her nonsencical and unnatural forced love for Sasuke that there is no way out for her at this point. You execpt characters to evolve and learn from past experiences but in this manga it never happens, I mean what was the point to make Sakura give up on Sasuke, Sakura depressed over Sasuke, Sakura wary of Sasuke and not trusting him and then have Sakura wonders if he cares about her, girl he tried to kill you 3 times in cold blood I think it's a good indication of his feelings for you. Sakura has shown multiples times she doesn’t trust Sasuke so why was she surprised when he exposed his goals ? The writing is awful and completely negates what happened before. Then comes this chapter which is just the cherry on the cake and Sakura asking Sasuke to stop if he has a place for her in his heart, instead of standing for herself her best friend, her teacher and showing some self esteem and dignity for the first time in this manga against Sasuke. Sakura isn’t the only one tough who suffers such horrible characterization but she’s one of the most obvious example, along Naruto Obito and many other characters, it's really sad because these characters deserved a better fate but with such a sloppy writer who doesn’t seem to understand basic human behavior you can’t execpt better, Naruto's characters belong to an asylum.

Good morning.

I don't think you bring bad luck. It's just that the fake predictions will look really silly from now on because we're making fun of others while we ourselves don't have much ground to stand on.

NS is obviously still the endgame, but what's the point of shipping them when you can't admire, sympathize, and enjoy the couple? I don't ship them because I want to win the pairing war. I shipped them because I thought their relationship was solely growing in a consistent manner and I found that to be wonderful. Well, anyways, I stopped shipping them a while ago because I don't trust Kishi's writing.

This chapter what disappointed me was not the pairings, but how he wrote the individual characters.

Naruto, messiah doesn't mean "emotionless" or "indifferent". Naruto is a messiah only through the effect of his actions but not by the way he is. In other words, anyone stronger and against Sasuke can become a messiah by default in Kishi's world. How Naruto disappoints me....he is just there standing there saying nothing to all the kitten Sasuke is putting him and his comrades through. Just because Naruto is forgivable, it doesn't mean that he should be unfeeling or indifferent to the terrible things Sasuke is doing. A messiah should feel angry to all the horrible things being done to the people and then after the fight or the apologies, there will be forgiveness. But nooooooo, as long as it's Sasuke, Naruto doesn't get angry. He just says,"Hey, that's a bit too much!" as if Sasuke just stole soup from Naruto's ramen bowl. The reason I hate this NaruSasu bromance so much is because it degrades Naruto's character so much. He's capable of being angry towards Pein or Deidara, but when it's Sasuke.....sigh......he just becomes a love sick puppy.

And yes, the way Naruto acted towards Sasuke after Sasuke stabbed Sakura was not surprising. Sakura is basically like a silver medal to Naruto. She comes AFTER Sasuke. Never before. If the girl you're in love with, no matter whether she's in love with someone else, was stabbed painfully albeit it not being real you become angry. End of story. But no, Naruto probably lacks the ability to love or become protective when the offender is Sasuke. In the end, Naruto should stick with Sasuke and they should live happily ever after without involving other people in their drama.

And Sakura...I'm not disappointed about her being in love with Sasuke because I don't like her for NaruSaku. But I'm really disappointed that Kishi regressed her character. She's the member of team seven and she doesn't go against Sasuke through ideologies or battle power. She just screams about love in the middle of the battle. Where the hell did her development go? Didn't she learn in part one that she was basically powerless to protect her teammates? It was because of that, that she seeked tutelage from Tsunade. And now near the end of the manga.....she did the exact same thing AGAIN when she swore time and again that this time she'll stand side to side with Naruto and Sasuke. And the comment Kishi made Sasuke say makes it more worse because it's true and it makes me wonder why Kishi is unnecessarily putting Sakura down miserably at the end of the manga where there is no more chance for her to stand up and prove him wrong. Sakura was trolled even more harshly than Hinata when she tripped on a Rock.

There is so much more I want to say. But this manga and the characters are so bad that words aren't enough to explain it. I quit. And if anyone wants to PM me, feel free to do so. I'll reply.

And btw, 六道仙人 is right. It's present tense according to the link Hiraishin posted.

You know, I have come to a final conclusions that every single character has been butchered. It's not just Sakura. All these things surrounding Sasuke that just make everything worse. When Sasuke is not in the picture or he is not the main focus, these character take on this life of their own. They don't worry over trivial stuff or fall over like a wet noodle over a guy whose entire reason for living is hatred.

The entire story of Sasuke and the people involved with him is just....the entire thing is crap. The concept is sound, but the execution and how Kishi goes about using it is complete and utter crap. There is no excusing any character for it at this point in time. Even the people that say "Naruto is justified in his views of Sasuke" is just lying to themselves about it. The entire story of this is bull and we all know it. No character is justified in anything they have done in the name of Sasuke.

Like I said, rewrite the story without Sasuke ever existing and you can see the story makes sense, has a clear point, and goes about sending a positive message through and through.

 

Well said, all of you. I want to like your posts, but sadly my like quota for the day has run out. There are so many great posts in this thread!

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Well said, all of you. I want to like your posts, but sadly my like quota for the day has run out. There are so many great posts in this thread!

Mine too.

[luffyq1]

You know, I have come to a final conclusions that every single character has been butchered. It's not just Sakura. All these things surrounding Sasuke that just make everything worse. When Sasuke is not in the picture or he is not the main focus, these characters take on this life of their own. They don't worry over trivial stuff or fall over like a wet noodle over a guy whose entire reason for living is hatred.

The entire story of Sasuke and the people involved with him is just....the entire thing is crap. The concept is sound, but the execution and how Kishi goes about using it is complete and utter crap. There is no excusing any character for it at this point in time. Even the people that say "Naruto is justified in his views of Sasuke" are just lying to themselves about it. The entire story of this is bull and we all know it. No character is justified in anything they have done in the name of Sasuke.

Like I said, rewrite the story without Sasuke ever existing and you can see the story makes sense, has a clear point, and goes about sending a positive message through and through.

Wholeheartedly agree.

[Shadow1275]

You know, I have come to a final conclusions that every single character has been butchered. It's not just Sakura. All these things surrounding Sasuke that just make everything worse. When Sasuke is not in the picture or he is not the main focus, these character take on this life of their own. They don't worry over trivial stuff or fall over like a wet noodle over a guy whose entire reason for living is hatred.

The entire story of Sasuke and the people involved with him is just....the entire thing is crap. The concept is sound, but the execution and how Kishi goes about using it is complete and utter crap. There is no excusing any character for it at this point in time. Even the people that say "Naruto is justified in his views of Sasuke" are just lying to themselves about it. The entire story of this is bull and we all know it. No character is justified in anything they have done in the name of Sasuke.

Like I said, rewrite the story without Sasuke ever existing and you can see the story makes sense, has a clear point, and goes about sending a positive message through and through.

I think he made sense up until he turned good. He had a clear motivation for leaving the village, Power and revenge. Than later on when he learned that Itachi was actually ordered to kill his clan he had a clear motivation for chasing after Danzo and attacking the Leaf. If Kishi had stuck with this route than things would have made much more sense with Sasuke. However, than Sasuke turned good despite the fact that the reason the Uchiha and Madara rebelled was discrimination against the Uchiha. That's when things got murky and I started to get bored of his character. Sasuke was always a jerk, but at least he had clear motivations at first for the decisions he made. Now its like Kishi just needs Sasuke to act as pairing fodder, look pretty, and fight Naruto.

[Ether]

If MS's translation is accurate, this chapter has effectively ruined NS (SS was already ruined long ago, so this chapter doesn't change it much). Even if it becomes canon (which I doubt after this chapter), it won't matter because Kishimoto has butchered it beyond recognition. And he had such a neat foundation for it too, why did he have to go and ruin it?

[Hiraishin]

Mine too.

Same. I'll have to wait until tomorrow to start liking posts again.

[Otaru]

Good morning.

I don't think you bring bad luck. It's just that the fake predictions will look really silly from now on because we're making fun of others while we ourselves don't have much ground to stand on.

NS is obviously still the endgame, but what's the point of shipping them when you can't admire, sympathize, and enjoy the couple? I don't ship them because I want to win the pairing war. I shipped them because I thought their relationship was solely growing in a consistent manner and I found that to be wonderful. Well, anyways, I stopped shipping them a while ago because I don't trust Kishi's writing.

This chapter what disappointed me was not the pairings, but how he wrote the individual characters.

Naruto, messiah doesn't mean "emotionless" or "indifferent". Naruto is a messiah only through the effect of his actions but not by the way he is. In other words, anyone stronger and against Sasuke can become a messiah by default in Kishi's world. How Naruto disappoints me....he is just there standing there saying nothing to all the kitten Sasuke is putting him and his comrades through. Just because Naruto is forgivable, it doesn't mean that he should be unfeeling or indifferent to the terrible things Sasuke is doing. A messiah should feel angry to all the horrible things being done to the people and then after the fight or the apologies, there will be forgiveness. But nooooooo, as long as it's Sasuke, Naruto doesn't get angry. He just says,"Hey, that's a bit too much!" as if Sasuke just stole soup from Naruto's ramen bowl. The reason I hate this NaruSasu bromance so much is because it degrades Naruto's character so much. He's capable of being angry towards Pein or Deidara, but when it's Sasuke.....sigh......he just becomes a love sick puppy.

And yes, the way Naruto acted towards Sasuke after Sasuke stabbed Sakura was not surprising. Sakura is basically like a silver medal to Naruto. She comes AFTER Sasuke. Never before. If the girl you're in love with, no matter whether she's in love with someone else, was stabbed painfully albeit it not being real you become angry. End of story. But no, Naruto probably lacks the ability to love or become protective when the offender is Sasuke. In the end, Naruto should stick with Sasuke and they should live happily ever after without involving other people in their drama.

And Sakura...I'm not disappointed about her being in love with Sasuke because I don't like her for NaruSaku. But I'm really disappointed that Kishi regressed her character. She's the member of team seven and she doesn't go against Sasuke through ideologies or battle power. She just screams about love in the middle of the battle. Where the hell did her development go? Didn't she learn in part one that she was basically powerless to protect her teammates? It was because of that, that she seeked tutelage from Tsunade. And now near the end of the manga.....she did the exact same thing AGAIN when she swore time and again that this time she'll stand side to side with Naruto and Sasuke. And the comment Kishi made Sasuke say makes it more worse because it's true and it makes me wonder why Kishi is unnecessarily putting Sakura down miserably at the end of the manga where there is no more chance for her to stand up and prove him wrong. Sakura was trolled even more harshly than Hinata when she tripped on a Rock.

There is so much more I want to say. But this manga and the characters are so bad that words aren't enough to explain it. I quit. And if anyone wants to PM me, feel free to do so. I'll reply.

And btw, 六道仙人 is right. It's present tense according to the link Hiraishin posted.

 

I'm glad to see you're still around ramenanmitsu. I understand why you want to quit but I would like you to stay...

I agree with you about NaruSaku as a pairing. I still think it's the endgame, but I'm like you I love them because I was able to admire, sympathise, and enjoy the couple, just as you said. What I like about them is not just the finallity, or win some puerile battle. I know it's needed to clear up everything about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, but I'm started to think it's taking too much time to be honest. Well, I'm still waiting for the raw to confirm, but I really don't understand why would Kishi said that her feelings changed back then through Kakashi, and then this chapter... If she really used present tense, then it's a mess. Really. 

I also agree with you about Naruto. In the beginning, Naruto was able to yell at Sasuke, he seems more real to his feelings. Now it's true he's a little less reactive, and sometimes it's disappointing me. An example, that time when Sasuke almost killed Sakura and Naruto saved her. Naruto almost said nothing to Sasuke. I was really surprised. I think Kishimoto wants Naruto to look wiser than he was before, because he came to terms with his dark part, but it also made him a little weird, and I think even if this Naruto is more peaceful, the Naruto of the past seemed more real. He was full of passion, and lately, it's not so flagrant. I would like Naruto to be full of passion again.

 

About Sakura, really, the only explanation I can come up with for this chapter is that Kishi wanted her to say all this to make Sasuke say bluntly that he doesn't care about her. But if you look closely, you can see Sasuke's face seems a little fake. To me it's obvious he's touched by Sakura's words. He thought about his family also. To me it's meaning that Sasuke assimilate team7 as family. I still don't think Sasuke has some romantic feelings for her, but I think he cares deeply.
Maybe all this commotion was also to bring up the PoaL.

Also; it's not all over, so maybe Sakura will come back later. It felt to me that Kishi was setting her up for later because she was again harsh to herself and saying she was pathetic. When she's harsh to herself, she shines later on.

 

Maybe with the next chapter everything will become clear. But I was so clean with Manpanda version, I mean, I'm really chocked by Mangastream version. And if mangastream version is right, I swear, it feels like fanfiction. If this is right, I don't what know the kitten Kishi is doing.

Edited by Otaru, 25 September 2014 - 11:24 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Ah, you're right about that Shadow, but maybe that's the point in Kishi's eyes. He makes it an up and down of emotions so that the outcome can be somewhat adequate?

 

Never mind. That just sounds silly.

No it's not. I see what you mean and I hope that you're more correct than I am. I just can't stand to see her get hammered again and again after all that Kishi has promised us with her and after how Sasuke has treated her. But hopefully Kishi does as you say and has her gain control, than she would look that much better for overcoming all of the obstacles she has faced,

[Advaith]

I was tired after finishing my assignment and studies so i decided to take a small nap.Guess what,in my dream i saw the ultimate truth.

[Hiyuusha]

I was tired after finishing my assignment and studies so i decided to take a small nap.Guess what,in my dream i saw the ultimate truth.

 

okay I'll bite. What was this truth you saw?

[Gojira]

 

mangapanda's translator isn't a english native.

meaning what?