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#11621 Codus N

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 2 2013, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can someone please tell me how this makes Naruto now fall in love with Hinata. I mean, this is supposed to be the end. The climax of all development and feelings for characters. People actually believe that now Kishi will somehow force a subplot for Naruto to slowly fall in love with Hinata when he should actually be focusing on the bigger plot points? Are they seriously that desperate?


I.... hate bringing this up again, but remember what I said several pages back about the editors?? well, I actually have some proof of just how totalitarian the editors are at Jump.

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Well, as a huge Gekiga manga lover and someone who’s a great fan of Hara Tetsuo and Hōjō Tsukasa I’d been covering their departure from Shūeisha in a retrospective column a couple of years back. Unfortunately it wasn’t in English so I can’t just copy & paste it here. Thus, I’ll try and give you the short version of things I remember:

Hara and Hōjō both had the same editor back in the days, a man called Horie Nobuhiko. Horie would later rise up and become Weekly Shōnen JUMP’s fifth generation Editor-in-chief (from 1993-1996). Needlessly to say, those three were peas in a pot and shared quite a similar taste in manga and became very good friends over the years.
Fact is, all three were ousted by Shūeisha or at least felt like it. – And from what I heard and read I’m 100%ly on their side. (Admittedly, as a fan I’m probably a tad biased… )

Let me reconstruct Hōjō’s situation shortly as an example:
Hōjō had been with JUMP since 1981. His very first series, “Cat’s ♥ Eye”, became a major hit (18 volumes, over 18 million copies sold, a TV anime and even a movie adaption should speak for themselves!). His next work “City Hunter” (35 volumes, 35 million sold copies) became an even bigger hit and remains to this day one of the most notorious manga series of the 80’s. But despite the massive economic success of the series, City Hunter never really clicked with the magazine readers. Thus, the TOC rankings were quite bad. – As a consequence of this, CH was axed in 1991. What’s even worse: the editorial department told Hōjō (a veteran of the magazine with great achievements for JUMP) about that decision only 4 weeks in advance! (Most importantly, Hōjō had absolutely no intention of finishing his series at that point; quite contrary really. This is why he went on to create “Angel Heart” later on, because he felt like he still had lots of stories to tell.)

After this episode, Hōjō really grew tired of action series. But that didn’t work out with JUMP. His nature-loving supernatural drama “Komorebi no moto de…” crashed and burned in like… 25 chapters or so. (Which is outrageous because Komorebi was actually a pretty awesome series.)
As a result he was pushed by his then-editor [no longer Horie who’d been promoted to E-i-C] to create yet another action series, which Hōjō reluctantly did. But the series in question, an action comedy with some crime and medicine elements by the name “Rash!!”, felt half-assed from the very beginning. Logical consequence: Rash!! got the ax after 16 chapters.

It was then that Hōjō became really frustrated with JUMP. He did not enjoy working for Shūeisha under the given circumstances, grew tired of drawing manga altogether and seriously considered quitting his career as a mangaka!
The thing that ultimately put him off was when his next series, a family drama about love in various shapes (touching upon such delicate and dodgy topics as homosexuality and transvestitism), entitled “F.COMPO” got rejected by JUMP, because they did not want their readers to get in touch with these kinds of topics. – So they moved it to a Seinen mag.

Hōjō ultimately told himself: “If I don’t have any fun with this series either, I’m gonna quit for real!”
Luckily he rediscovered his passion for manga and parted ways with Shūeisha in the year 2000. Hōjō and his friends Hara, Horie and Kamiya Akira (the godlike seiyū legend who voiced the likes of Kenshirō and Saeba Ryō) went on and founded the stock-corporation Coamix. They set up a brand new editorial department there and distributed together with the Shinchōsha Publishing Co., Ltd. the magazine Monthly Comic Bunch.


If someone as renowned as Houjo is even pressured to do so many things he doesn't want to, and end up doing it anyways, who's to say Kishi wasn't forced by his editors with the recent chapter developments??

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#11622 StrikerTheNoble

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Mar 2 2013, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I.... hate bringing this up again, but remember what I said several pages back about the editors?? well, I actually have some proof of just how totalitarian the editors are at Jump.



If someone as renowned as Houjo is even pressured to do so many things he doesn't want to, and end up doing it anyways, who's to say Kishi wasn't forced by his editors with the recent chapter developments??


Well lets just hope the editors dont decide to hijack one of the top ranking mangas form the author to make NH/SS canon and destroy the whole story therefore loosing a kittenload of money. I mersoanly have started buying all the manga and if they do that i will stop at some point.

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Naruto : Hinata...
Hinata : I know, I saw it, you were smiling back there.
Naruto : ?
Hinata : When she hugged you, you looked so happy, you smiled.


I hope this is how he does it in the manga. This is some good writting.

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#11623 HauntedCake

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Mar 2 2013, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I feel kinda bad. sweatdrop.gif
I wouldn't be able to resist going on NB, posting the NaruSaku panels, then going kruemelmonsteryn0.gif at the NaruHina fans.


AHA who would be able to resist a bit of trolling?? boogie.gif eager.gif

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#11624 Sojobo

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?

Just happy because it's the pairing I support the most with SasuKarin.
Relieved no, because it is already obvious to me that NH is dead. If she never would say that (stop chasing after you) I would be like the most of the fans, I would see a NH coming at 99%.
Hinata's fans aren't being trolled, Kishi already gave them the answer.

If they will feel trolled in the end, it's just their fault for not paying attention what Hinata said before joining the battlefield.

Edited by Sojobo, 02 March 2013 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Mar 2 2013, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just happy because it's the pairing I support the most with SasuKarin.
Relieved no, because it is already obvious to me that NH is dead. If she never would say that (stop chasing after you) I would be like the most of the fans, I would see a NH coming at 99%.
Hinata's fans aren't being trolled, Kishi already gave them the answer.

If they will feel trolled in the end, it's just their fault for not paying attention what Hinata said before joining the battlefield.

And here we go.

I remember everyone saying that NS was 100% or 99% just to 615 come and scream that NH was canon.

Therefore i dont see NH dead because Sakura hasnt get over Sasuke and Hinata is there trying to be more for Naruto, for me Kishi just raised the drama to the ending.
His asspuls and inconsistences make seem that i do not have faith on him my rate is 70% for NS and 30% for asspulls.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 March 2013 - 02:45 PM.

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#11626 HauntedCake

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 2 2013, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And here we go.

I remember everyone saying that NS was 100% or 99% just to 615 come and scream that NH was canon.

Therefore i dont see NH dead because Sakura hasnt get over Sasuke and Hinata is there trying to be more for Naruto, for me Kishi just raised the drama to the ending.
His asspuls and inconsistences make seem that i do not have faith on him my rate is 70% for NS and 30% for asspulls.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 2 2013, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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It's not a matter of lack of faith i have faith on NS because it's the most developed pairing.
The problem is just kishimoto and the recent events.
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#11628 HauntedCake

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 2 2013, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not a matter of lack of faith i have faith on NS because it's the most developed pairing.
The problem is just kishimoto and the recent events.


YAYA i know, i'm just trolling around a bit laugh.gif

Agreed

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 2 2013, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YAYA i know, i'm just trolling around a bit laugh.gif

Agreed



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Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 March 2013 - 03:01 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 2 2013, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, when NS moment happens, how would you guys feel?

I will feel happy for NS having more real moments XD. No doubt that we are awaiting for more of them.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Mar 2 2013, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will feel happy for NS having more real moments XD. No doubt that we are awaiting for more of them.

Well if it happens it kills NH and SS for sure, if it happens from Naruto's side it kills NH for real.
Then yeah i'll be happy too.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 March 2013 - 03:03 PM.

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#11632 六道仙人

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:03 PM

a good surprise for us



just skip to minute 46

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#11633 HauntedCake

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:04 PM

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Here's a mermaid.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 2 2013, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And here we go.

I remember everyone saying that NS was 100% or 99% just to 615 come and scream that NH was canon.

Well I wasn't part of them. ;)
I always said that 615 was fanservice, and I was right in the end.
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Therefore i dont see NH dead because Sakura hasnt get over Sasuke and Hinata is there trying to be more for Naruto, for me Kishi just raised the drama to the ending.

Hinata is just doing what she said that she wanted to do on the battlefield, support him by holding his hands, fighting together.
What she said just before (stop chasing after Naruto once and for all when this war is over) will happen too.
Why would she tell something like this, if she would be Naruto's woman in the end ?
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His asspuls and inconsistences make seem that i do not have faith on him my rate is 70% for NS and 30% for asspulls.

It's not a matter of having faith here, we're talkning about Hinata's words, what she'll do when this war will be over.
She said she's always chasing after him, EVEN NOW, the "even now" means that she is doing it on the batllefield (holding his hand, loving him, be on his side, etc...), but after war she'll stop all of this kitten ?
This make no sense if she's gonna be Naruto's wife, really... dry.gif

Edited by Sojobo, 02 March 2013 - 03:08 PM.


#11635 HauntedCake

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 2 2013, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
a good surprise for us



just skip to minute 46


Who's talking when she says "this is a story, of a the hero i love"?

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Mar 2 2013, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who's talking when she says "this is a story, of a the hero i love"?


Seemt's the sakura's voice to me...

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 2 2013, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
a good surprise for us



just skip to minute 46

Was that Sakura's voice at the end? wow.gif
I can't believe they were ballsy enough to include her saying "This is the story of a hero I love" at the end of the game! Better yet, it sounds like an adult version of Sakura!
I wonder if they had her say that in the Japanese version of the game or if it was exclusively in the English version...

Edited by Slextrem, 02 March 2013 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 2 2013, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Here's a mermaid.

Poor Ariel really overdid it with her diet, didn't she? laugh.gif

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seemt's the sakura's voice to me...



All the characters dub voices certainly is not Hinata neither Kushina.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 March 2013 - 03:19 PM.

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#11640 Sojobo

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:23 PM

Seems to be Kushina's voice...





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